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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 22 Ianoyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 181987930

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 22 Ianoyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yphrje shmera mia synanthsh toy k. Papaqanasioy me ton k. Soyflia. O k. Papaqanasioy episkefqhke ton k. Soyflia sto YPEXWDE. Exete na mas peite kati perissotero gi` ayth th synanthsh; Milhsan gia to qema ths ayjhshs twn dhmosiwn ependysewn, gia toys agrotes... ;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to periexomeno ths synanthshs. Oi synanthseis, omws, twn Ypoyrgwn metajy toys einai kati poly fysiko. Oi Ypoyrgoi antallassoyn synanthseis, opws kai exoyn synexeia thlefwnikes epikoinwnies metajy toys.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to ycos twn aithmatwn twn agrotwn qa fqasei ta 500 ekatommyria eyrw. Me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh sas kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti en pash periptwsei na doyn ta aithmata kai na ikanopoihqoyn ta aithmata, pws skopeyei h kybernhsh sas en mesw yfeshs na kalycei ayto to poso;

ANTWNAROS: Me ton tropo ton opoio sas eipa xqes kai me ton tropo ston opoio anaferqhke shmera o k. Xatzhgakhs sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Otan yparjei kati kainoyrgio, qa to plhroforhqeite. Ola qa ginoyn me plhrh sebasmo sto koinotiko plaisio kai sta plaisia twn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra mas, h ellhnikh oikonomia, en mesw mias dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, ths opoias tis diastaseis kai to xarakthra exw perigracei, polles fores, tis teleytaies hmeres.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, wstoso, oi agrotes lene oti ayto to poso mazeythke giati tosa xronia h kybernhsh sas den ekane tipote. Ean loipon pame me ayth th logikh se oles tis tajeis, oi opoies shmera diekdikoyn diafora posa kai thn ikanopoihsh twn aithmatwn, giati pente xronia h kybernhsh den ekane ayto poy eprepe na kanei, den mporeite shmera na erxeste kai na epikaleiste synexws thn oikonomikh yfesh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai dika sas logia, ta opoia egw den xrhsimopoihsa kai bebaiws ...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ta lene oi agrotes ayta, gia ta 500...

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai den symmerizomai. H kybernhsh exei kanei para polla gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites, synolika gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia, synolika epishs gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Sygkekrimena gia toys agrotes - -opws sas eipa kai prin apo liges hmeres, sto telos ths perasmenhs ebdomadas- - hdh sto telos ths xronias poy mas perase, to 2008, anakoinwqhkan sygkekrimena metra sthrijhs toy eisodhmatos toy agrotikoy kosmoy, sygkekrimena metra gia th sthrijh omadwn toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy poy exoyn megalyterh anagkh. Ginetai, loipon, akribws h ajiologhsh kai exoyme pei oti sthrizontai ekeinoi poy exoyn th megalyterh anagkh, oi oikonomika kai koinwnika asqenesteroi. Ola ta alla ta opoia kykloforoyn peri sygkekrimenwn poswn, ypologismwn, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti pragmatika den ta symmerizomai. Den qa ypeiselqw se kamia tetoia syzhthsh gyrw apo to ycos, oyte twn aithmatwn, oyte kai twn prwtoboyliwn, twn metrwn, ta opoia qa anakoinwqoyn, otan apofasisqoyn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Parolo poy dexomai - -kai ayto einai mia proswpikh ektimhsh- - oti ayth th fora h kybernhsh edrase kai edrase pros th swsth kateyqynsh, parola ayta menei mia aporia na apanthqei: O anasxhmatismos kai o neos Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs orkisthke molis prin apo liges hmeres. Oi agrotes edw kai kapoies hmeres dhmioyrghsan ta mploka, kobontas thn Ellada sta dyo, poy shmainei oti den edwsan kaqoloy pistwsh xronoy. Den einai ligo, den parathreitai kapoia argoporia sto oti edrase h kybernhsh pros thn kateyqynsh ths ikanopoihshs kapoiwn aithmatwn; Den qa mporoyse na apofeyxqei ayto, dhladh, prin;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na antilhfqw to erwthma sas. To deytero skelos toy erwthmatos sas einai se antifash me thn prwth diapistwsh thn opoia kanate.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Edrase, alla edrase arga. Den mporoyse na ta apofygoyme ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei oti, opws sas eipa kai xqes, mesa se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio katagrafontai kai meletwntai ta aithmata ta opoia, en prokeimenw, oi agrotes alla kai alles omades toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy ypoballoyn, proballoyn, kataqetoyn me diaforoys tropoys. Ajiologoyntai kai ejetazoyme tis dynatothtes tis opoies exoyme kai apo to koinotiko plaisio kai apo thn ellhnikh oikonomia, prokeimenoy kapoia apo ayta ta aithmata, na ikanopoihqoyn. Otan yparjei kati, qa to plhroforhqeite.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Na rwthsw omws kati. Ayto edrazetai sto gegonos oti an h kybernhsh eixe proqesh etsi kai alliws na ikanopoihsei ayta ta aithmata, oi agrotes den qa phgainan dyo ebdomades meta thn orkwmosia toy neoy Ypoyrgoy na kleisoyn tis eqnikes odoys. Den exoyn prohgoymena me ton k. Xatzhgakh, qelw na pw.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema, to eipa.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ola qa ginoyn sto plaisio to koinotikoy kai twn antoxwn toy proypologismoy. Alla ayto akribws den ginotan mexri twra; Etsi den antimetwpize h kybernhsh ta aithmata, oxi mono twn agrotwn, alla synolikotera; Alla eidika gia toys agrotes, mesa se ayto to plaisio den kinoyntan; Ayth h anafora sas shmainei oti den yparxoyn dhladh, einai poly stena ta periqwria kai mono cixoyla perisseyoyn gia toys agrotes;

ANTWNAROS: Qa epanalabw ti eipe o k. Xatzhgakhs sth Boylh, otan apo ekproswpo sygkekrimenoy kommatos xrhsimopoihqhke h idia akribws fraseologia, me ayth poy xrhsimopoihsate kai eseis, molis twra. Eipe o k. Xatzhgakhs oti ``ayto poy xarakthrizete ``cixoyla'' qa einai mia sthrijh poy qa bgei apo to aima toy ellhnikoy laoy''. Den prokeitai na mpw kaqoloy se periptwsiologia...

KAKALHS: Kaqoloy periptwsiologia. Ta periqwria, lew poy lete se ayta ta plaisia, poia einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ta plaisia einai gnwsta kai opoios kanei...

KAKALHS: Ta periqwria, poia einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ta periqwria sta opoia kinoyntai oles oi eyrwpaikes oikonomies - -kai opoios qelei na mhn to katalabainei, den qa to katalabei ston aiwna ton apanta- - einai sygkekrimena. Parola tayta, h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei apodeijei, sthn prajh, oti me thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia poy th diakrinei, antapokrinetai sta aithmata twn tmhmatwn toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy - -prwta ap` ola- - poy exoyn tis megalyteres anagkes, poy einai oikonomika kai koinwnika asqenesteroi.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos, se sygxarhthria epistolh poy esteile ston Mparak Ompama, leei pws prosblepei se mia synanthsh. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean exei jekinhsei kapoia proergasia, wste o k. Karamanlhs na tajidecei sthn Oyasigkton kai an nai, pote topoqeteitai ayth h episkech.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kati tetoio.

MPALHS: Xqes, o k. Almoynia, alla kai o k. Gioynker, eipan oti afenos h Ellada den xreiazetai na prosfygei se kapoio dieqnh organismo gia na ejyphrethsei to daneismo, opws epishs kai oti den anhsyxoyn, toylaxiston oi dyo ajiwmatoyxoi, se o,ti afora sth diafora twn spread gia to daneismo toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Afoy, loipon, yparxoyn aytes oi kaqhsyxastikes dhlwseis, giati met` epitasews zhtoyn prosqeta metra apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh; Giati ayto egine xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis dhlwseis tis opoies ekanan oi dyo en logw Eyrwpaioi ajiwmatoyxoi, o k. Almoynia kai o k. Trise, an den me apata h plhroforhsh moy, kata th diarkeia syzhthshs poy egine sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio. Anaferqhkan, se kapoia erwthsh poy toys ypoblhqhke, eidika sthn Ellada. Kai anaferqhkan kai genikotera se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs poy exoyn kapoia problhmata - -opws exei kai h Ellada kai den sas to apokrycame pote- - me to elleimma. H Ellada den einai h monadikh xwra. Antiqetws, einai mia apo tis perissoteres xwres poy exoyn yperboliko elleimma h problepetai na exoyn yperboliko elleimma. Oles oi xwres mazi, loipon, qa laboyn ekeina ta metra ta opoia xreiazontai, to exoyme pei, wste stadiaka, me th stadiakh dhmosionomikh prosarmogh, me eyelijia, alla kai me koinwnikh eyaisqhsia oi ypoxrewseis poy exoyn oles oi xwres - -kai fysika h dikh mas- - pros to Symfwno Staqerothtas na ekplhrwqoyn kai oi synepeies ths oikonomikhs krishs, gia toys Ellhnes polites, na amblynqoyn. Ayta ta dyo pragmata pane xeri-xeri.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me tis plhrofories kai to reportaz, ena apo ta metra poy syzhtoyntai gia th sthrijh twn agrotwn einai to pagwma twn xrewn toys pros thn Agrotikh Trapeza. Twra, alloi lene gia mhnes, alloi gia xrono, alloi gia dyo xronia, na to doyme. Qelw na rwthsw, h Agrotikh Trapeza exei tetoies antoxes h epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti ena poso apo to sxedio twn 28 dis eyrw qa doqei epipleon ws ejtra sthn Agrotikh Trapeza;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote gia fhmologies sxetika me tetoia metra.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oi agrotes ths antipoliteyshs, dhladh aytoi poy proskeintai sthn antipoliteysh, kathgoroyn toys agrotes oi opoioi anhkoyn sth Nea Dhmokratia, oti me plagioys kai dolioys tropoys prospaqoyn na spasoyn ta mploka. Einai taktikh ths kybernhshs, dhladh qewrei h kybernhsh oti mporei etsi na lysei to problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw se ti anafereste. An yparxoyn tetoies plhrofories h an yparxoyn tetoies fhmes oi opoies diakinoyntai, den exoyn kapoia sxesh me thn kybernhsh.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh thn paroysia sta mploka twn agrotwn boyleytwn ths; O k. Xarakopoylos htan ekei. Qelw na pw, dhmioyrgei problhma h kati allo; To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Pws antimetwpizei h kybernhsh thn apofash toy Eyrwkoinoboylioy gia to qema twn entajiakwn syzhthsewn ths FYROM sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsth h qesh mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Einai gnwsth h qesh thn opoia exei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh epi toy qematos. Kai ekeino to opoio apomenei einai na proselqei kai h allh pleyra, dhladh h kybernhsh ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias, me tropo epoikodomhtiko, stis diapragmateyseis, oi opoies ginontai, ypo th skeph toy OHE, gia thn ejeyresh mias koina apodekths onomasias. Ayth einai h proypoqesh, prokeimenoy na pragmatopoihqei - -opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos molis thn perasmenh ebdomada sth Boylh- - o eyrwatlantikos prosanatolismos ths geitonikhs xwras. Aytes einai oi proypoqeseis tis opoies qetei h Eyrwph. Aytes einai oi proypoqeseis tis opoies exei apodexqei h Boreioatlantikh Symmaxia. Omofwnes apofaseis kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai toy NATO. Sas to ypenqymizw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gnwrizoyme oti o proypologismos ton opoio eixe kataqesei o k. Liaphs, gia ta egkainia toy Moyseioy ths Akropolews efqane sta 6 ekat. eyrw. Kai gnwrizoyme oti o k. Samaras prospaqei na meiwsei kata to hmisy ayton ton proypologismo. Ean telika o Ypoyrgos den ta kataferei, en mesw yfeshs to ellhniko kratos qa diaqesei 6 ekat. eyrw gia ta egkainia toy Moyseioy;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KAKALHS: Apo to 2000 poy oi agrotes apoteloyn th raxokokalia ths eklogikhs dynamhs ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws eipe xqes kybernhtikos boyleyths, to agrotiko eisodhma exei meiwqei kata to 1/5, 20%, symfwna me ta stoixeia ths Eurostat. Eidika to 2008 meiwqhke kata 7,1%, symfwna me ta idia stoixeia panta. Mporeite na mas peite ena logo giati na synexisoyn oi agrotes na chfizoyn th Nea Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy brisketai synexeia, ta teleytaia pente xronia, konta se oles tis omades toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy, se ola ta tmhmata toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy. Raxokokalia ths Neas Dhmokratias einai oi Ellhnes polites. Oloi oi Ellhnes polites.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Yphrxe kapoia thlefwnikh synomilia metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den anaferomai se thlefwnikes synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den to diaceydete omws;

ANTWNAROS: Den anaferomai pote se thlefwnikes synomilies toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos omilei sto thlefwno, poly syxna, me toys Ypoyrgoys. Mhn kanoyme qema kai mh dinoyme xarakthra eidhshs sta aytonohta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Epeidh h eikona apo th xwra, h opoia en pash periptwsei einai kommenh sth mesh, exei arxisei kai bgainei kai sto ejwteriko, kai gi` ayto eyqynetai to PASOK k. Ekproswpe; H ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw kati tetoio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai epeidh, synhqws, otan ginetai kati kai bgainei h eikona ths xwras pros ta ejw, eyqynontai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Sas erwtw...

ANTWNAROS: Ayta poy exw pei einai poly sygkekrimena.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ayth h eikona, h opoia paroysiazei h xwra mas ayth th stigmh kai h opoia emfanizetai kai se jena thleoptika diktya, kai gia ayto eyqynontai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, den exete apanthsei k. Ekproswpe...

ANTWNAROS: Dikaiwma sas na to pisteyete.

KAKALHS: Epeidh h raxokokalia ths kybernhshs einai oi Ellhnes polites kai epeidh exei kanei para polla gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia, opws eipate, h kybernhsh, mporeite na mas to ejhghsete gia ta eyrhmata toy ``eyrwbarometroy'', symfwna me ta opoia to 90% einai dysaresthmeno gia thn oikonomia, to 92% einai apogohteymeno gia thn katastash sthn apasxolhsh kai to 77% exei elleich empistosynhs pros thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw eyrhmata sfygmometrhsewn.

KAKALHS: Apo poy antleite ta symperasmata sas tote gia tis ektimhseis sas;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa epanelqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Fanidh. Epitrecte moy, alla egw den katalaba giati den sxoliazete oti boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias brisketai sta mploka twn agrotwn.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

" H kaqhmerinh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy den qa pragmatopoihqei, ayrio, Paraskeyh 23/1, logw ths diejagwghs ths pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthshs sth Boylh.

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