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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 24 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 171087756

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 24 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio to meshmeri, stis 12.00, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Laikhs Dhmokratias ths Kinas k. Hu Jintao, o opoios episkeptetai epishmws th xwra mas. Amesws meta, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei, pros timhn toy Proedroy ths Kinas kai twn melwn ths kinezikhs antiproswpeias, geyma ergasias, sto Megaro Majimoy. Qa epakoloyqhsoyn dhlwseis.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ARMENHS: Dyo erwthseis kyrie Ekproswpe: O k. Papakwnstantinoy, o ekproswpos Typoy toy PASOK, dhlwse thn Paraskeyh oti einai sigoyros pws exei dwsei apanthseis stis erwthseis poy toy exete kanei. Symfwneite;

ANTWNAROS: Oi antifaseis toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, stis opoies anaferqhka kai thn Paraskeyh apo ayto edw to bhma, ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn. Perimenoyme apanthseis.

ARMENHS: H deyterh erwthsh: Exei pei epishs oti an xreiastei, qa dwsei dieykriniseis, oxi apo to bhma ths enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy PASOK. Pisteyete oti prepei na klhqei gia kataqesh sthn Ejetastikh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto afora th leitoyrgia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Se diadikastika qemata, opws gnwrizete, den ypeiserxomai. Oses fores exw topoqethqei gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, exw topoqethqei gia politika qemata.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kalh sas mera. Ean h Ejetastikh Epitroph den orisei politikes eyqynes enanti olwn oswn ypotiqetai h ferontai na enexontai h enantia aytwn gia toys opoioys synesthqh, poia kata thn ektimhsh sas, qa prepei na einai h kinhsh, politikhs toylaxiston apokatastashs; Gia na to pw jekaqara: O k. Qodwros Roysopoylos ejaitias ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs toy synesthqh kai to onoma toy eneplakh mesa se ayth, paraithqhke, profanws klhqhke na dwsei kapoies ejhghseis, edw loipon, den prokyptei ap` osa jeroyme mexri twra, tipote poy na ton emplekei. Yparxei kapoios logos poy o k. Roysopoylos prepei na menei ektos kybernhshs h na apologeitai gia kati, efoson den prokyptoyn stoixeia;

ANTWNAROS: Exete dikio sth diapistwsh thn opoia kanete. Den exw kanena logo na diafwnhsw oti den prokyptei kati. Alla, se kamia periptwsh - -th diapistwsh thn kanate eseis- - den prokeitai na ypeiselqw sth dienergeia ths ereynas apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, h opoia synexizetai. Arxisate thn erwthsh thn opoia moy ypobalate, me to ``ean''. Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Gnwrizete oti h shmerinh kybernhsh, einai ekeinh, me thn koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia thn opoia diaqetei sth Boylh, poy proteine th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Sthrizei tis ergasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs se ola ta epipeda kai me oloys toys tropoys poy epitrepei h keimenh nomoqesia. Akribws, dioti pisteyoyme sth diejagwgh ths ereynas kai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph kai apo th Dikaiosynh. Ginontai, opws asfalws gnwrizete, dyo parallhles ereynes gia thn en logw ypoqesh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Efoson, opws lete, exete empistosynh sthn ereyna poy diejagei h Ejetastikh Epitroph, gia poio logo apodexqhke shmera h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias to ypomnhma toy k. Efraim kai den toy zhthse na erwthqei gi` ayto to meizon politiko zhthma, oi diastaseis toy opoioy, nomizw oti einai...

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete na ypeiselqw pragmatika se diadikastika qemata, oson afora th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs; Molis prin apo ligo, parakoloyqhsa thn arxh enos deltioy eidhsewn, thn wra poy arxizei to briefing. Ayto to opoio moy lete, den deixnei na taytizetai me thn eidhseografia toy en logw deltioy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ti, den taytizetai; Den katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw sxolia egw ep` aytoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den sas eipa na kanete sxolia. Eseis epikalesthkate ena deltio poy mporei na htan to deltio ths kratikhs thleorashs. Jerw kai egw... Den exw eikona.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth thn wra den yparxei deltio ths dhmosias thleorashs, opws kala gnwrizete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw rwtaw, omws, gia poio logo na apodexqei to ypomnhma toy k. Efraim kai oxi o idios na erwthqei kai na apanthsei se ayta ta opoia toy katalogizoyn. Giati nomizw oti toy katalogizoyn...

STAQOPOYLOS: Dhladh, an epaize to deltio ths kratikhs thleorashs, den katalaba...

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, allo pragma lew. Allo ennow...

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Staqopoyle exete dikio. Kyrie Palaiologe, den mporeite na apajiwnete ton enan h ton allo synadelfo sas...

PALAIOLOGOS: Den apajiwsa. Lew, mporei... , xwris na apajiwnw. Den htan qema apajiwshs ayto. Allo lew. Epikalesthkate ena deltio, anwnyma.

ANTWNAROS: Den epikalesthka deltio, anwnyma. Eipa to deltio to opoio yparxei ayth thn wra. Kai einai safes poio deltio ``paizei'' ayth thn wra. Loipon, mhn kanete - -kai to lew me aysthro tropo- - oti den katalabainete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia, mporeite na moy apanthsete epi ths oysias, omws, toy erwthmatos poy eqesa gia ton hgoymeno;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti se diadikastika qemata poy aforoyn th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs, den anaferomai. Den to kanw pote.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na katalabw: Otan proxqes bghkate kai mas eipate edw oti xarakthrisate, den qymamai thn akribh ekfrash sas, en pash periptwsei, thn energeia toy PASOK na kalesei kainoyrgioys martyres, diadikastiko qema den htan; Ekeino mporoysate na to sxoliasete kai ayto poy sas rwtaei o synadelfos den mporeite na to sxoliasete;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqw na xarakthrizw ton tropo me ton opoio kalei toys martyres to PASOK, klhsh me thn opoia symfwnhse h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia ths Neas Dhmokratias, ws mia kaqara parelkystikh taktikh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Na bgaloyme kapoia symperasmata kai se o,ti afora thn erwthsh poy ekane o synadelfos mas kai gia ton hgoymeno Efraim...

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw ypodeijei ti symperasmata na bgazete;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Miso lepto, gia na katalabainoyme, na mh bgaloyme ayqaireta symperasmata kai meta mas katakrinete. Se o,ti afora to erwthma toy synadelfoy, poia einai h apanthsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth poy molis sas edwsa.

KAKALHS: Epimenete akomh sth qesh sas, oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes, th stigmh poy akoma kai o epikefalhs ths Kthmatikhs Etaireias toy Dhmosioy, k. Gkratsios, dhlwse oti kinhqhke me bash tis ypoyrgikes apofaseis; Einai fanero oti parapempei stoys Ypoyrgoys. To ena einai ayto. Kai to deytero, symfwna me plhrofories, to ypomnhma poy kataqese shmera o Efraim, milaei oti tis antallages den tis zhthse h Monh, alla tis ekane to Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa sxoliasw kamia apo tis kataqeseis, oi opoies ginontai sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph.

KAKALHS: Kata to dokoyn, den sxoliazete, giati sxoliasate alloys kai toys xarakthrisate ceydomartyres.

ANTWNAROS: Me synepeia den sxoliazw.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, exete xarakthrisei toys alloys ceydomartyres, me bash tis kataqeseis toys, an den kanw laqos.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta Mesa toys xarakthrisan etsi.

KAKALHS: Eseis jekinhsate, me sygxwreite.

MPOTSARHS: Pera apo tis kataqeseis, to sigoyro einai oti h apofash twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias poy symmetexoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, na kanoyn dekto to ypomnhma toy hgoymenoy Efraim, exei prokalesei arnhtikes antidraseis. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na kalesei ton epikefalhs k. Markogiannakh, prokeimenoy na erwthqei, giati elaban oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias th sygkekrimenh apofash;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa eipa.

MANH: O Yfypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Kiltidhs, me th xqesinh toy egkyklio, xarakthrise dasos en telei thn ektash sthn Oyranoypolh, thn opoia o idios eixe xarakthrisei dasikh ektash, meta apo sxetikh eishghsh ths Nomikhs Yphresias ths KED, prin apo mhnes poy anoije to dromo gia thn apodosh ths sth Monh Batopaidioy. Ayto poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai oti o xarakthrismos mias ektashs mporei na einai ``akornteon'', th mia xronia na xarakthrizetai dasos, thn epomenh dasikh ektash kai toympalin;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn en logw apofash.

KAKALHS: Qewreite tyxaio, opws epishmane o prwhn Nomarxhs Xalkidikhs, oti oi ypografes gia thn antallagh ths limnhs Bistwnidas me ektaseis toy Dhmosioy mphkan stis 26 Ioylioy toy 2006, dyo hmeres prin apo thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Monh Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Moy anaferete dhlwseis tis opoies, opws antilambaneste, den eimai se qesh na tis gnwrizw. Kai den exw kai kamia ypoxrewsh na tis gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Kataqeseis anaferw.

ANTWNAROS: Kataqeseis poy; Sthn Epitroph; Enas logos parapanw na mhn to sxoliasw.

KAKALHS: Eseis den tis gnwrizete;

ANTWNAROS: Den tis gnwrizw. Eseis exete diabasei oles tis kataqeseis; Se o,ti me afora, sas diabebaiw den tis exw diabasei oles.

KAKALHS: Periergws exete diabasei oses sas symferoyn, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas apodidw momfes, tis opoies eseis prospaqeite na apodwsete se emena.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: An mh ti allo, k. Ekproswpe, exete diabasei th dhlwsh ths k. Mpakogiannh oti sthn paratajh sas yparxoyn ``kabalhmena kalamia'';

ANTWNAROS: Poy egine ayth h dhlwsh;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sth NODE, sth Drosia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Yparxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

XIWTHS: Thn akoysa kai to prwi sto radiofwno CITY opoy h k. Mpakogiannh dieykrinise oti den anaferotan se Ypoyrgoys, alla se dioikhtes DEKO, poy ayto prokalei kai se mena aporia, poioys dioikhtes DEKO ennoei h k. Mpakogiannh. Exete kapoia gnwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exete para na rwthsete thn k. Mpakogiannh. Me rwtate na ermhneysw kati to opoio eipe enas Ypoyrgos; Den to synhqizw.

XIWTHS: Synhqws, otan oi Ypoyrgoi kanoyn dhlwseis oi opoies einai kapws asafeis, epikoinwneite mazi toys. Gi` ayto leme, mhpws epikoinwnhsate.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti ypoqetete pws kanw perissotera pragmata apo ayta ta opoia pragmatika kanw.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete poioi einai oi logoi poy odhgoyn stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws ton Koinotarxh Stamatas na dhlwnei oti ``ntrepomaste na leme oti eimaste Nea Dhmokratia. Einai kybernhsh katastrofhs''; Pws mporei na exei ftasei se ayto to shmeio ena stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Se kamia periptwsh den protiqemai na sxoliasw ypotiqemenes h feromenes dhlwseis - -den exw kanena logo na amfisbhthsw dhlwseis, tis opoies moy metaferete- - memonwmenwn stelexwn. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh exei paei th xwra mprosta. Exei kanei aptes, oysiastikes metarryqmiseis apo tis opoies wfeleitai h ellhnikh koinwnia. Kai opoios den qelei na to paradexqei ayto, eqelotyflei.

KAKALHS: Anafereste se stelexh, profanws, giati aytoi den to paradexontai. Ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias den to paradexontai.

ANTWNAROS: Memonwmena stelexh den ekfrazoyn to synolo twn atomwn, ta opoia einai organwmena sto pleyro ths kybernhshs. Dioti, profanws milate gia organwmena stelexh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na jerw, ean gnwrizete, an o Yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Blaxos brhke th dieyqynsh gia na steilei mia fratzola cwmi ston diamartyromeno neodhmokrath, o opoios eipe oti h katastash einai aparadekth kai oti akribo einai mexri kai to cwmi. Qa sas parakaloysa na xarakthrisete th dhlwsh kai na moy peite ean einai prosblhtikh, oxi pros enan neodhmokrath, pros ena meso polith apo enan Yfypoyrgo, h antimetwpish toy qematos.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw sxolia gia syzhthseis, oi opoies ginontai se topiko epipedo, se topikes organwseis, oi opoies einai fysiko na diejagontai me zwhro ryqmo. Ginontai antallages apocewn, ginetai kritikh, ekfrazetai - - an qelete- - kai diaforetikh apoch apo ayth poy eseis qa perimenate endexomenws apo oloys na ekfrazoyn. Na syntassontai, dhladh, oloi me mia kentrikh apoch. H Nea Dhmokratia den leitoyrgei etsi. Den eimai ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla mporw na sas pw oti h Nea Dhmokratia den leitoyrgei me ayto ton tropo.

SWTHRIADOY: Eipate oti h shmerinh kybernhsh exei paei th xwra mprosta. Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti stis dhmoskophseis synexws oi polites den bazoyn th Nea Dhmokratia mprosta, alla to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Jexnate, profanws, oti oi dhmoskophseis einai katagrafh twn tasewn mias dedomenhs stigmhs. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti ayth th stigmh h dieqnhs oikonomikh sygkyria - -kai emeis eimaste kommati toy dieqnoys synoloy- - den einai h kalyterh. Oi Ellhnes polites einai fysiko na aisqanontai tis synepeies. Tis periorismenes men, alla yparktes synepeies ayths ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs sygkyrias kai sth xwra mas. Ayto den shmainei, jerete, kati. Den shmainei kati me thn ejhs ennoia: Ekei poy krinontai oi kybernhseis einai h wra poy oi Ellhnes polites phgainoyn stis kalpes. Kai oi kalpes einai akoma poly makria. Den einai ayrio, den einai meqayrio, den einai thn allh ebdomada, den einai ton allo mhna. Mhn me rwthsete ean einai se merikoys mhnes. Ennow oti einai se megalh xronikh apostash. Dioti - - to lew gia mia akomh fora- - h shmerinh kybernhsh exei epaneklegei prin apo 14 mhnes kai o syntagmatikos bios kaqe kybernhshs sth xwra mas einai tessera xronia. Synepws, exei dianysei to ena tetarto toy bioy ths.

SWTHRIADOY: Sygnwmh ep` aytoy: Dhladh, apodidete to gegonos oti h diafora exei pagiwqei peripoy stis tesseris monades, mono sthn kakh dieqnh sygkyria;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den symfwnw me tis ekfraseis poy xrhsimopoieite eseis. Fer` eipein ``exei pagiwqei'' kai alla paromoia. Einai katagrafh, to lew gia mia akomh fora, mias sygkekrimenhs stigmhs.

XIWTHS: Sas akoyga prin na lete gia to syntagmatiko bio ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh ektima oti ayto poy den katafere me 165 boyleytes, dhladh na ejantlhsei thn tetraetia sthn prohgoymenh qhteia ths, qa to kataferei twra, me 151;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti qelete na peite me to ``den to katafere''.

XIWTHS: Den to katafere. Einai poly aplo.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, to diko sas epixeirhma enisxyei to diko moy epixeirhma: Oti o dromos mexri tis epomenes kalpes einai megalos. Xronika megalos.

XIWTHS: Poso megalos;

ANTWNAROS: Tessera xronia einai o syntagmatikos bios.

KAPRALOS: Eseis me poio tropo qewreite, k. Ekproswpe, oti h kybernhsh, h Nea Dhmokratia, mporei na antistrecei ayto to klima poy katagrafetai twra stis dhmoskophseis;

ANTWNAROS: Askwntas ypeyqynh politikh. Menontas pisth h kybernhsh kai ta stelexh ths, me epikefalhs ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh, se osa exei ejaggeilei, se osa exei pei oti qa kanei. Me kinhseis entypwsiasmoy tis opoies presbeyoyn kapoioi h me tritokosmika pyrotexnhmata, opws ayta poy molis prin apo liges hmeres - -ta apesyran sto metajy- - elegan oi kyrioi toy PASOK, oson afora ton elegxo twn epitokiwn, dhladh tis dhqen nomoqetikes dieyqethseis, den lynontai ta qemata. Oyte me mia asxeth yposxesiologia. Qa eidate, asfalws, tis prosfates dhmosies parembaseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai sth Boylh thn perasmenh ebdomada kai to Sabbatokyriako kata thn episkech toy sth Magnhsia, sto Bolo. Eimaste mia dynamh eyqynhs. Mia kybernhsh h opoia den qysiazei th staqerothta ths xwras, to na paei h xwra mprosta, to na antimetwpistoyn ta oikonomika problhmata, me eykoles lyseis, opws ekane sto parelqon to PASOK kai mas afhse terastia elleimmata kai mas afhse terastia anergia. Emeis se ayto ton kathforo, den prokeitai na toys akoloyqhsoyme.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Thn kakh apeikonish ths stigmhs apo tis dhmoskophseis, opws lete oti aytes perigrafontai, eseis tis apodidete sth dieqnh oikonomikh sygkyria h sto skandalo, sthn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy;

Mias kai apo th dieqnh oikonomikh sygkyria oles oi kybernhseis ths Eyrwphs exoyn bgei apo toys xeirismoys toys kerdismenes. H ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy, apo th stigmh poy bghke sth dhmosiothta, arxise na fqeirei thn kybernhsh. Ti apo ta dyo einai ayto, telika, poy sas xala thn eikona;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw kamia analysh twn dhmoskophsewn. Apo thn pleyra moy, aplws sas periegraca ti akribws symbainei se olo ton kosmo, se olh thn Eyrwph kai sth xwra mas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ara, kati den ginetai kala edw, afoy oi alloi anebainoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Osa eixa na pw gia to qema, ta eipa. Kai den einai akribes ayto to opoio eipate, shmeiwteon.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, stis kinhseis entypwsiasmoys poy anaferqhkate prin oti den qa kanete, symperilambanete kai to endexomeno anasxhmatismoy; Kai to lew ayto, giati koryfaia stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias, blepontas kai tis dhmoskophseis, ejakoloyqoyn na zhtoyn apo ton Prwqypoyrgo na kanei xrhsh toy apokleistikoy dikaiwmatos toy.

ANTWNAROS: Einai, akribws, apokleistiko dikaiwma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

XIWTHS: Akoysa to prwi ton Prwqypoyrgo na desmeyetai oti den qa mpoyn neoi foroi to 2009. Akoysa kai ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias, to Sabbato, se mia synenteyjh sth NET opoy afhne anoikto to endexomeno na epispeystei to xronodiagramma meiwshs twn forologikwn syntelestwn. Anarwtiemai an kai to deytero perilambanetai sto programma ths kybernhshs gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs h mono to prwto.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos shmera to prwi, perilambanetai se alles dyo, den einai kati kainoyrgio, poly prosfates dhmosies parembaseis toy. Thn perasmenh ebdomada, kata thn omilia toy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, me thn idia akribws frash kai se erwthsh poy toy ypoblhqhke to Sabbato, kata thn episkech toy sto Bolo. Ontws etsi einai. Kai to lew, gia mia akomh fora: To 2009 den yparxei, oyte prokeitai na epiblhqei kanenas neos foros. Antiqetws, h shmerinh kybernhsh meiwnei synexws ta teleytaia xronia - -apotelesmatika kai pros ofelos twn Ellhnwn politwn kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias- - kai ta dhmosionomika elleimmata kai toys forologikoys syntelestes. Kai toys exei meiwsei oso kamia allh xwra, gi` ayto to diasthma, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Sthn Ellada meiwnoyme pragmati to 2009 ton kentriko forologiko syntelesth gia to eisodhma twn fysikwn proswpwn sto 25% apo to 30% poy htan to 2006. Epishs, meiwsame to forologiko syntelesth gia tis mikroteres epixeirhseis, omorryqmes kai eterorryqmes etaireies, apo to 25% sto 20% apo to 2005 ws to 2007 kai gia tis epixeirhseis genikotera apo to 30% sto 25%. Shmera, exoyme apo toys xamhloteroys syntelestes forologias eisodhmatos sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Para to gegonos ayto, oti dhladh exoyme aytoys toys xamhloys syntelestes, sxediazoyme peraiterw meiwsh toy kentrikoy forologikoy syntelesth gia ta fysika proswpa apo to 25% sto 20% apo to 2010 ews to 2014, opws to idio isxyei kai gia to syntelesth forologias twn epixeirhsewn.

H kybernhsh mesa sto plaisio twn protasewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs qa kanei o,ti xreiastei gia th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

Kai sas ypenqymizw akomh, giati orismenoi teinoyn na to jexasoyn san na mhn exei ginei, oti to aforologhto exei ayjhqei kata 20%. Apo 10.000 se 12.000 eyrw gi` aytoys poy plhrwnoyn foro eisodhmatos.

TSIOYFOS: Mias kai mphkame se ayta ta qemata na sas rwthsw kati. Einai polloi aytoi poy lene oti apo monh ths h reystothta sthn agora den einai ikanh gia na antimetwpistei h krish. Kai lene oti akoma kai na enisxyqei h reystothta twn epixeirhsewn kai twn mikromesaiwn kai twn mikrwn kai twn megalyterwn gia na kinhqei h agora qa prepei na yparjei katanalwsh. Kybernhseis sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh to teleytaio diasthma, prokeimenoy na dieykolynoyn thn kinhsh ayth, exoyn proxwrhsei se drastikh meiwsh toy FPA, opws h Agglia, an den kanw laqos, anakoinwse tis meres aytes meiwsh 2,5% toy FPA. H kybernhsh skeftetai na parei analoga metra, prokeimenoy na kinhqei h agora me tetoies lyseis;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, h kybernhsh kanei ayto poy sas eipa: Meiwnei th forologia. Meiwnontas th forologia afhnei perissotero diaqesimo syn tois allois eisodhma, stoys Ellhnes katanalwtes. Ayto den jerw an to antilambaneste.

TSIOYFOS: Ayto qa to dei o katanalwths, an symbei, to 2010 h sto telos toy 2009 sthn kalyterh periptwsh. To problhma sthn agora einai ameso, xreiazetai ameses lyseis. Gi` ayto kai kapoies...

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora de to ``sygkekrimenh meiwsh'' poy moy eipate, einai mia prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe h kybernhsh ths Agglias. Sas ypenqymizw oti prwton, h Agglia brisketai ektos ths Eyrwzwnhs kai deyteron, h Ellada antallassei apoceis me tis xwres  melh ths Eyrwzwnhs kai syntassetai me aytes tis syllogikes apoceis, oi opoies syzhtoyntai kai synapofasizontai.

Den exw na pw kati allo panw se ayto. Epishmainw, wstoso, gia mia akomh fora oti den qa prepei kapoios na lhsmonei ayto to opoio exei ginei ta teleytaia xronia sthn Ellada: Dhladh, th stadiakh oysiastikh meiwsh kai twn forologikwn syntelestwn kai thn ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy. Apo ayta exoyn wfelhqei shmantika oi Ellhnes polites. Den einai kati to opoio kapoios mporei na to diagracei apo th mia mera sthn allh kai as prospoioyntai orismenoi oti to jexnoyn. Kai jexnoyn akomh oti antiqeta me ayto to opoio ekanan oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, poy epebalan kata th dikh toys diakybernhsh 80 peripoy, to epanalambanw, 80 neoys foroys, h shmerinh kybernhsh exei desmeyqei oti thn epomenh xronia kanenas neos foros den qa epiblhqei. Kai olh h filologia h opoia ginetai peri dhqen newn forwn thn epomenh xronia einai ek toy ponhroy kai den exei kamia apolytws sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Prokeitai gia ayjhmena esoda, ta opoia qa proelqoyn apo dyo phges. Prwton, thn katapolemhsh ths forodiafyghs. Den jerw an yparxei se ayth thn aiqoysa kapoios o opoios einai eyxaristhmenos, otan jerei oti o diplanos toy den plhrwnei foroys. Den mporw na fantastw oti h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn einai eyxaristhmenoi otan jeroyn oti yparxoyn kapoioi oi opoioi me ayth thn koinwnika analghth symperifora meiwnoyn ta wfelhmata poy mporei na exei apo ta dhmosia esoda to koinwniko synolo. Kai h deyterh phgh, einai h anaptyjh ths oikonomias.

H ellhnikh oikonomia, antiqeta me o,ti problepetai na symbei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, ston meso oro twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs - -jerete oti oi xwres exoyn eiselqei se yfesh akribws dioti problepetai na exoyn h mhdenikh h arnhtikh ayjhsh- - problepetai kai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai apo to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, oti qa exei mia anaptyjh, ths tajews kata to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio toy 2%, kata thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh toy 2,5%. Emeis leme 2,7%. Ayto, loipon, odhgei se nea esoda. Prepei ayto to paramyqi, ayth h karamela thn opoia prospaqei na perasei sthn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh to PASOK, na stamathsei.

TSIOYFOS: Dieykrinistika, otan lete kanenas neos foros, ennoeite kanenas neos foros h kai ayjhsh twn yparxontwn;

ANTWNAROS: Kanenas neos foros. Einai apolyta jekaqarh h frash poy lew.

TSIOYFOS: Ayto shmainei oti den qa yparjei ayjhsh se yparxontes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennoeis ton FPA profanws.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto to opoio exoyme pei. Gia ton FPA exei topoqethqei me poly jekaqaro tropo o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

TSIOYFOS: Den ennow mono ton FPA. Katalabainete ti rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Emeis meiwnoyme toys foroys. Sas to eipa kai prohgoymenws. Einai sygkekrimenh desmeysh, thn opoia kanoyme prajh.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me ton Proypologismo poy katateqhke, yparxoyn se ayto ton Proypologismo periqwria gia th lhch gennaiwn filolaikwn metrwn, opws zhtoyn polloi ek twn boyleytwn sas h qa parameinete sta metra poy mas eipate molis prohgoymenws;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se osa exoyn pei to teleytaio diasthma, poly prosfata kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

MANH: Symfwna me meleth toy Ypoyrgeioy Amynas poy dhmosieyetai shmera ston ``Eleyqero Typo'', oi anaboles strateyshs prepei na termatizontai sto 25o ths hlikias kai ayto me th seira toy qa odhghsei, metajy allwn, kai sth meiwsh ths qhteias sto strato jhras poy qa ginei enneamhnh. H kybernhsh blepei qetika thn ylopoihsh ayths ths meleths;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw to dhmosieyma. Parakalw gi` ayto to eidiko qema - -fantazomai oti einai mia eswterikh meleth h opoia endexomenws exei ginei- - na apeyqynqeite ston armodio Ypoyrgo k. Meimarakh.

KAKALHS: Ayth h syxna epanalambanomenh dhlwsh sas  diabebaiwsh oti

``den yparxoyn neoi foroi'' exei stoxo na jexasei o ellhnikos laos oti me ton Proypologismo toy 2009 qa exoyme epipleon 7 disekatommyria foroys; Einai parhgoria to oti den einai neoi; Einai apo palioys, ti shmasia exei;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den antilambaneste oti prokeitai gia esoda, ta opoia ejhghsa apo poy qa proelqoyn.

KAKALHS: Jerw poly kala apo poy proerxontai kai poioi ta plhrwnoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai se ena qema ths epikairothtas kai sthn ypoqesh ths paraxwrhshs toy olympiakoy akinhtoy sth Monh Batopaidioy kai ayto giati epanerxetai o idios o prwhn ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Sabbas Tsitoyridhs. O dieyqynwn symboylos ths KED k. Gkratsios kateqese oti oydepote yphrje qema metegkatastashs twn yphresiwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs sto sygkekrimeno akinhto sto Olympiako Xwrio. O k. Tsitoyridhs omws, epwnymws shmera se dhlwsh toy sto ``Eqnos'' leei pws oso htan Ypoyrgos, eixe zhthsei o idios o k. Efraim na paraxwrhqei to akinhto ayto sth Monh. Kai bebaiws, toy prokalei megalh entypwsh toy k. Tsitoyridh to giati enw o k. Efraim eixe yposxeqei oti qa to kanei Moyseio Aqwnikhs Politeias, telika to paraxwrhse se kapoioys idiwtes. Ti exei na pei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas elega aplws oti kalo qa einai otan erxeste sto briefing na frontizete na eiste enhmerwmenos mexri thn teleytaia stigmh. Dioti katebainontas edw prin apo ligo, eida oti o k. Tsitoyridhs, eiserxomenos sth Boylh ekane dhlwseis stoys dhmosiografoys poy ton anemenan ekei kai jekaqarise ta pragmata. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa hqela epishs na sas pw oti kai eseis otan arxise to briefing qa eprepe na eiste ligaki perissotero enhmerwmenos, giati o k. Magginas, sto kratiko radiofwno, eipe epishs oti toy prokalei entypwsh, kai epimenw sto kratiko radiofwno, to gegonos oti poly grhgora to sygkekrimeno akinhto paraxwrhqhke se xeria idiwtwn apo th Monh Batopaidioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Isws giati den jerete th dhlwsh toy k. Maggina.

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw sxolia pote gia boyleytes. Sas to exw pei.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na qesw ypoch sas ena, kata thn apoch moy, sobaro zhthma kai qa sas parakalesw an mporeite na epikoinwnhsete me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias, wste tis epomenes hmeres na mas dwsete kapoia apanthsh. Edw kai tria xronia oi kaqhghtes twn dhmosiwn IEK, 4.500 ton ariqmo einai aplhrwtoi, den exoyn parei oyte ena eyrw. Ayto, loipon, poy qelw na rwthsw ton Ypoyrgo Paideias kai an mporeite na mas dieykolynete etsi na mhn erqoyme emeis se epafh mazi toy, einai ean kai pote qa plhrwqoyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na erqete se epafh mazi toy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qa hqela kai egw na rwthsw gia ena, ektos armodiothtos sas qema, gia to opoio mporeite na epikoinwnhsete me th Dioikhsh toy IKA kai na mas apanthsete kapoia allh stigmh: Ypoqetw oti oi enopoihseis Tameiwn poy eginan exoyn stoxo thn peristolh twn dapanwn kai ths spatalhs poy ginotan mexri twra. Moy hrqe mia kataggelia apo toys ergazomenoys toy IKA sta Giannena, poy leei oti enw o dhmos Anatolhs exei paraxwrhsei sto IKA ths perifereias Iwanninwn ektash gia na metastegastei xwris na plhrwnei, h Dioikhsh toy IKA protima na paramenei - -opws leei h kataggelia, den to yioqetw- - sta hdh yfistamena ktiria, opoy plhrwnei peri tis 200.000 eyrw enoikio to xrono. Jerw oti den gnwrizete gia na moy apanthsete. Mporeite na enhmerwqeite kai na moy apanthsete;

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayto to qema qa prepei, safestata, na apeyqynqeite sto IKA. Den einai kati poy afora thn enhmerwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh sth Boylh milhse gia ekrhjh ths anergias. Thn idia stigmh, o Proypologismos deixnei oti h anergia to 2009 qa brisketai sta idia epipeda me to 2008, dhladh, sto 7,5%. Pws to ejhgeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; Mporeite na moy peite olh th frash;

KAKALHS: Ginetai, loipon, profanes oti to pio sobaro problhma apo thn prwtognwrh ayth krish einai h ekrhjh ths anergias.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete kai thn prohgoymenh frash toy.

KAKALHS: Ma, einai profanes. Den xreiazetai perissotero.

ANTWNAROS: Sthn prohgoymenh frash, se ti anaferetai o Prwqypoyrgos; Anaferetai sth dieqnh oikonomikh katastash. Den anaferetai sthn Ellada.

KAKALHS: Sthn Ellada den perimenoyme kati diaforetiko;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw - -sas to exw pei kai alles fores- - einai oti eimaste apo tis xwres, h opoia exei meiwsei shmantika, oysiastika thn anergia ta teleytaia tesseramisi xronia, otan se alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, h anergia eixe hdh ekrhjh. Ekeino, loipon, to opoio kanoyme me to sxedio gia th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, gia th reystothta sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, einai metajy twn allwn, h qwrakish twn hdh yparxoyswn qesewn ergasias. Ayto ginetai. Aytos einai o stoxos mas. Kai gi` ayto to stoxo doyleyoyme oysiastika kai apotelesmatika.

KAKALHS: H erwthsh einai: Ara, den perimenete ekrhjh anergias, ws kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ean epidiwkete na sas apantw me ``nai'' kai ``oxi'', apo emena tetoies apanthseis den qa exete.

KAKALHS: Giati o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo ta syndikata na paraithqoyn apo ta dikaiwmata toys sto onoma toy oti qa ayjhqei h anergia.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe metajy twn allwn kati akoma sta syndikata, to opoio profanws epilegete na aposiwphsete: Oti, kalo qa kanoyn ta syndikata na asxoloyntai kai me toys hdh yparxontes anergoys.

KAKALHS: Poioi anergoi; Den yparxoyn anergoi (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei oti kaqe anergos sth xwra einai enas perissoteros apo aytoys poy mporei na antejei, na dexqei h koinwnia. Bebaiws, kaneis Ellhnas den mporei na einai xwris doyleia. Alla, ayto einai to idaniko, den yparxei se kamia koinwnia. Gi` ayto akribws, prospaqoyme edw kai xronia, me thn politikh poy kanoyme, me ta programmata poy efarmozoyme, me ta programmata poy qa efarmostoyn ta epomena xronia - -sta opoia anaferqhke epishs o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh kai ta opoia krinete oti den qelete na ta anaferete- - teinoyme akribws pros ta ekei: Na meiwsoyme kai allo thn anergia. Olo kai ligoteroi Ellhnes na einai xwris doyleia.

XIWTHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos eixe jekinhsei ton k

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