Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-18

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 18 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 170486212

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Noembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

H Kybernhtikh Epitroph syzhthse, meta apo sxetikh eishghsh toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Giwrgoy Alogoskoyfh, to Eidiko Programma Anasygkrothshs kai Anaptyjhs Plhgeiswn Perioxwn apo pyrkagies. O k. Alogoskoyfhs, se ligo, qa probei se sxetikes anakoinwseis.

" Ayrio, Tetarth 19 Noembrioy, stis 10 to prwi, qa pragmatopoihqei ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Kwsta Karamanlh sthn aiqoysa ths Geroysias ths Boylhs, h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, me qema ``Dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, Proklhsh gia oloys''.

Argotera, stis 14.45, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Slobakias k. Iban Gkasparobits.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia dieykrinistikh se sxesh me thn Kybernhtikh Epitroph: Den jerw an hsastan parwn sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, o k. Soyflias, o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE, htan parwn, paristato sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den htan parwn giati, apo o,ti moy eipan, einai asqenhs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na maqw an o Prwqypoyrgos eixe labei thn epistolh toy k. Cwmiadh, poy esteile stis 18 Dekembrioy toy 2005 kai kathggeile gia skandalo tis paraxwrhseis twn oikopedwn sth Qessalonikh kai ti eixe apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos se ayth thn epistolh. Kai an sth synexeia elabe kai thn epomenh epistolh poy esteile o k. Cwmiadhs, eji mhnes meta kai ti apanthse kai se ayth thn epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ta qemata exoyn apanthqei. Den epistrefw se palia qemata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Pote apanthqhkan;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na anatrejete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To sygkekrimeno twra bghke, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Na anatrejete sthn enhmerwsh. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma, sygnwmh, den mporeite na moy peite ean exei labei o Prwqypoyrgos thn epistolh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ma, sas rwtw kati kai moy lete oti apanthsate perysi. Perysi den yphrxe h epistolh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ola ayta ta qemata exoyn apanthqei. Den exw na pw kati allo.

ARMENHS: Qelw, k. Ekproswpe, to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn apofash twn Skopiwn na prosfygei sth Xagh, kataggellontas oti h Aqhna den diathrhse thn endiamesh symfwnia.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: H prosfath paroysia toy noikiasmenoy apo thn Toyrkia norbhgikoy skafoys sto Aigaio, kai to olo epeisodio poy dhmioyrghqhke gyrw apo thn ypoqesh, sas anhsyxei se sxesh me piqanes h endexomenes mellontikes problhmatikes katastaseis sto xwro ekei; Kai poy pisteyete oti ofeiletai olh ayth h anisorropia;

ANTWNAROS: Moy ypoballontai oi idies erwthseis poy moy kanate kai xqes;

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den hmoyn parwn, xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na apantw tis idies erwthseis, kat` epanalhch, ston idio xwro. To briefing exei mia synexeia.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To katalabainw ayto. Omws, epeidh qymamai oti se mia paromoia katastash prin apo kapoia xronia, den jerw ti eixe symbei kai meta apo dyo mhnes eixame to problhma twn Imiwn. Dhladh, qewrw oti - -kai sygnwmh poy to kanw- - einai sobaro to qema, gi` ayto sas rwtw pali.

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo ton k. Koymoytsako, stis 15/11/2008, thn opoia asfalws gnwrizete; Mh syndeete katastaseis, oi opoies synebhsan prin apo polla xronia ypo alles synqhkes, me ayta poy synebhsan pro hmerwn notiws toy Kastelorizoy. Qelw na sas pw akomh oti h ellhnikh Politeia ekane ola ekeina ta diabhmata kai oloys toys xeirismoys oi opoioi apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na proaspisei me apotelesmatikothta ta eqnika symferonta.

XRISTAKOS: Sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph ths Boylhs, poy diereyna to gnwsto qema gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy, paradoqhke ena binteo me th gnwsth ypoqesh - -na mhn ta epanalabw gia thn oikonomia toy xronoy- - me ton k. Koykobino kai to opoio shmera syzhteitai an exei kapoies skhnes epimaxes, an exei kopei kati allo kai en pash periptwsei se sxesh me ta osa eipe o k. Paylopoylos xqes, sth dhlwsh toy meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, gia anajiopistoys martyres, exei h kybernhsh na prosqesei kati allo se sxesh me aytoys toys martyres h me aytoys poy toys kaloyn;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn apolytws oles oi topoqethseis poy kaname, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos kai egw proswpika, xqes, kata th diarkeia ths hmeras.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H kybernhsh skopeyei na amfisbhthsei thn ajiopistia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, dedomenoy oti paroysiasthke ayto to DVD kai exoyme kai thn kataqesh ths k. Swthropoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote analhqestero apo ayto. Aytoi einai isxyrismoi - - oxi apo esas- - toys opoioys aneryqriasta diatypwnei o ekproswpos toy PASOK kai malista se graptes toy dhlwseis xqes, poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Antiqeta, h kybernhsh pisteyei akradanta oti twra ginetai ereyna se baqos kai apo th Dikaiosynh kai apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Kai ypenqymizw gia osoys epiqymoyn na to jexnoyn: Einai h shmerinh kybernhsh ekeinh, h opoia proteine sth Boylh th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy. Mia protash h opoia egine dekth apo oles tis pteryges ths Boylhs. Twra, an orismenoi krinoyn oti me thn klhsh orismenwn proswpwn, thn opoia oi idioi diatypwnoyn, qeloyn na eytelisoyn th leitoyrgia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, ayto afora mono toys idioys. Oxi thn kybernhsh. Oxi thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia, h opoia - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - einai ekeinh h opoia zhthse th systash ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Ayta einai ek toy ponhroy, osa isxyrizetai kyriws to PASOK, dioti antilambanetai oti espeyse na qriambologhsei gia anypostatoys isxyrismoys poy perilambanontai sthn kataqesh kapoiwn martyrwn me ypopth drasthriothta kai periergo parelqon. Kai twra, prospaqei na mazecei ayta poy den mazeyontai.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na epistrecw sto progenestero erwthma ths k. Kalogeropoyloy. Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh: H epistolh toy k. Cwmiadh eixe apodektes treis ypoyrgoys kai egine koinopoihsh se melh ths kybernhshs. Exei kapoia ektimhsh h kybernhsh, pws efqase h epistolh ayth sta xeria toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den gnwrizw, oyte kanw tetoies ypoqeseis.

KAKALHS: Qelete na sxoliasete thn paroysia toy k. Arsenioy stis synedriaseis ths Kthmatikhs Epitrophs toy Dhmosioy, ths Kthmatikhs Etaireias toy Dhmosioy kai th dhlwsh toy oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh agkaliazei to programma antallagwn kai qa exoyme sobarotath arwgh gia na kataferoyme na ylopoihqei;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy thn exete thn plhroforia;

KAKALHS: Apo ta praktika ths Kthmatikhs Etaireias poy doqhkan sth dhmosiothta.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti ta praktika, oi kataqeseis twn martyrwn poy kaloyntai na kataqesoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, ajiologoyntai apo ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn taxqei na ta ajiologhsoyn. Dhladh, ta melh poy apartizoyn thn Ejetastikh Epitroph.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, kai eseis ajiologhsate toys martyres kai toys brhkate ceydomartyres.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

KAKALHS: Ara, ti moy lete; Oti emeis den mporoyme na ajiologhsoyme; Na to dieykrinisoyme ayto: Dexeste edw pera, sto briefing, na sxoliazoyme ta qemata ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, ta tektainomena h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na epilegw egw to ti sxoliazw.

KAKALHS: Na jeroyme kai emeis an mporoyme na rwtame, omws, gi` ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Tis erwthseis, bebaiws mporeite na tis kanete. Alla den oloklhrwsa thn apanthsh thn opoia sas edwsa. Emeis poy exoyme empistosynh stis ergasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, poy apartizetai apo melh toy Koinoboylioy poy proerxontai apo oles tis politikes paratajeis poy antiproswpeyontai sth Boylh, perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Sas ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora oti h Ejetastikh Epitroph, basei toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, diereyna thn ypoqesh se baqos. Synepws, as perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias.

RABANOS: To teleytaio diasthma ginetai megalh syzhthsh sto eswteriko ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada gia thn anagkh allaghs ths oikonomikhs kyriws politikhs ths kybernhshs. Xqes, o Koinoboyleytikos Ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Panos Panagiwtopoylos eipe oti an den parei h kybernhsh metra, qa fygoyme nyxta. Shmera eipe oti qa pame sta spitia mas. Symmerizeste ayth thn apoch; Symmerizeste thn apoch aytwn poy lene oti prepei na allajei h oikonomikh politikh gia na anakamcei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh efarmozei staqerh oikonomikh politikh. Einai ekeinh h oikonomikh politikh, h opoia apeleyqerwse th xwra apo ta barh toy parelqontos. Sas ypenqymizw to poly ychlo elleimma to opoio mas katelipe h kybernhsh toy PASOK. Sas ypenqymizw thn poly ychlh anergia thn opoia epishs mas katelipan oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, twn opoiwn koryfaio melos htan o shmerinos arxhgos toy PASOK k. Giwrgos Papandreoy. Sas ypenqymizw, epishs, oti para tis ``Kassandres'' poy meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes espeydan na poyn oti qa peftame sxedon se mhdenikh anaptyjh --oson afora thn oikonomia, ennow, sth xwra mas-- diathrhqhke oikonomikh anaptyjh yperdiplasia apo ton meso oro ths Eyrwzwnhs. Ayth, loipon, einai h oikonomikh politikh poy efarmozetai kai ayth h oikonomikh politikh paragei sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Sas ypenqymizw akomh oti briskomaste sto meso mias dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, poy einai h megalyterh krish --opws lene oi eidikoi kai den exw logo na to amfisbhthsw-- twn teleytaiwn 70 80 etwn. H krish ayth einai fysiko na exei kapoies synepeies sthn Ellada. Tis synepeies aytes tis antimetwpizoyme epishs me programma, me systhma kai me sygkekrimena metra ta opoia lambanoyme, otan alloi aerologoyn kai katafeygoyn se tritokosmikes protaseis, opws einai h idea toy PASOK gia nomoqetikes dieyqethseis, sxetika me to plafon h me th diakymansh twn epitokiwn. Bebaia diapistwnw oti to PASOK tis teleytaies hmeres, epeidh exei kritikh kai ek twn esw gi` aytes tis apiqanes protaseis tis opoies diatypwse, prospaqei na kalycei osa eipan o ekproswpos toy se dhmosies synenteyjeis kai alla koryfaia stelexh. Alla, bebaiws, ayto den yperkalyptei ena poly aplo gegonos: Me th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn den lynontai ta oikonomika problhmata. Xreiazontai sygkekrimenes protaseis.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mas apanthsate gia to PASOK, den mas apanthsate omws sth diapistwsh ``qa fygoyme brady''. Pws sas fainetai; Thn exei ekfrasei ena stelexos ths kybernhshs sas.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti den sxoliazw pote dhlwseis boyleytwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ws apoch to ``qa fygoyme brady'', pws sas fainetai;

ANTWNAROS: Einai dikh sas apoch;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dikh moy apoch.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw oyte dikes sas apoceis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy. H erwthsh poy sas eteqh apo ton synadelfo k. Rabano einai sygkekrimenh. Ean symmerizetai h kybernhsh tis anhsyxies dikwn ths stelexwn kai boyleytwn gia thn oikonomikh politikh, pera apo tis apoceis poy kataqetei to PASOK h ayta poy leei, tis protaseis ths antipoliteyshs, einai oi dikoi sas boyleytes poy ekfrazoyn anhsyxies oti kati prepei na allajei sthn oikonomikh politikh. Aytes tis apoceis tis symmerizeste;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Exete problecei akribestera poia qa einai h nyxta poy qa fygete; Qa einai mia krya nyxta toy Flebarh h qa exei kalokairiasei;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

KAKALHS: Htan safhs h topoqethsh toy Koinoboyleytikoy Ekproswpoy ths Neas Dhmokratias. H kybernhsh meta apo ayto exei problecei sygkekrimena th mera; Qa einai Flebarhs, opws eipe, h qa exei kalokairiasei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw, dinontas sas thn idia apanthsh poy edwsa kai xqes. Prin apo 14 mhnes h shmerinh kybernhsh elabe gia deyterh fora thn entolh apo toys Ellhnes polites me pleiochfia --poy bebaiws den amfisbhteitai, fantazomai oyte kai apo esas-- na kybernhsei ton topo gia alla tessera xronia. Exei skopo, loipon, na ylopoihsei to programma gia to opoio ejelegh, perieblhqh me thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

KALARITHS: Hqela na rwthsw se sxesh me toys martyres poy anaferqhkate. H kybernhsh pisteyei oti h antipoliteysh pontare se martyres, oi opoioi telika apodeiknyontai anajiopistoi h oti ``esthse'', opws eipan orismena stelexh sas, ceydomartyres prokeimenoy na emplejei ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana safh dhlwsh kai xqes kai shmera.

KALARITHS: Epitrecte moy, epeidh einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. To prwto mporei na einai politiko laqos, to allo einai baria politikh momfh to na steilei kapoios ceydomartyres.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa --to eipa kai xqes kai an qelete eyxaristws na to epanalabw-- oti kapoioi prosferoyn politikh sthrijh se ayta ta proswpa, eite siwphra eite fanera eite me thn anoxh toys. Ayto einai katadikasteo.

MPOTSARHS: Pws eidate tis dhlwseis toy k. Karatzaferh o opoios se synenteyjh toy afhse anoixto to endexomeno na diekdikhsei akomh kai thn proedria ths Neas Dhmokratias sth meta Karamanlh epoxh.

ANTWNAROS: Einai prwtofanes arxhgos enos kommatos na epidiwkei thn hgesia enos alloy kommatos. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Ayto kai mono ta leei ola.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia polykatoikia milhse o k. Karatzaferhs kai eipe oti oi arxhgoi einai diaxeiristes. Ara, mporei na allajei h diaxeirish.

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia einai mia paratajh h opoia idryqhke to 1974 apo ton aeimnhsto Kwnstantino Karamanlh. Exei paradosh, exei istoria kai exei diaxeiristei ola ta xronia, ta opoia o ellhnikos laos ths aneqese th diakybernhsh ths xwras, me ypeyqynothta ta kaqhkonta ths.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h oikonomikh politikh ths Kybernhshs paragei sygkekrimena apotelesmata. Me thn eykairia na apariqmhsw orismena: Ta nosokomeia gia paradeigma den mporoyn na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys, den mporoyn na plhrwsoyn toys promhqeytes kai toys farmakopoioys. Ta asfalistika Tameia boyliazoyn, ta TEI ypoxrhmatodotoyntai kai kleinoyn. H Dikaiosynh symfwna me thn olomeleia twn dikhgorikwn syllogwn brisketai se telma, dhladh me ayton ton tropo lynete ta problhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Moy diabazete to kyrio arqro ths efhmeridas sas;

KAKALHS: Oxi den diabazw kanena arqro. H erwthsh einai: Ayta ta apotelesmata ennoeite otan lete prohgoymenws oti paragete sygkekrimena apotelesmata; Den ta apariqmhsate ayta. Den ta akoysa na ta apariqmeite. Den ta qewreite ayta (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Loipon, egw ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti exei meiwqei to aforologhto kata 20% ta teleytaia xronia ...

KAKALHS : Gia ta nosokomeia rwthsa egw.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw kai egw.

KAKALHS: Kai gia ta asfalistika Tameia, opws kai gia th Dikaiosynh, gia ta TEI...

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete, ena - ena. Exoyn ayjhqei ola ta epidomata ta opoia didontai se aytoys poy exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Exoyn ayjhqei oi syntajeis se pososto poly megalytero apo o,ti ta teleytaia deka xronia, prin th diakybernhsh ths xwras apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Gia ta asfalistika Tameia: Qa sas ypenqymisw oti paralabame panw apo 130 asfalistika Tameia kai xarh sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish, h opoia efarmozetai apotelesmatika kai oysiastika, exoyn meinei 13. Exoyme proxwrhsei sth synenwsh twn Tameiwn kai etsi ejoikonomeitai terastio poso panw apo 1 dis. apo to opoio wfeloyntai oi idioi oi asfalismenoi.

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai) disekatommyria exoyn xaqei ston tzogo omws.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete antilhfqei pws leitoyrgoyn ta Tameia. Den exei xaqei apolytws tipote. Prokeitai gia logistikes diafores, oi opoies ofeilontai bebaiws sth genikh ptwsh twn xrhmatagorwn, poy den plhttoyn mono thn Ellada, plhttoyn olo ton kosmo. Ean kapoioi den qeloyn na to paradextoyn kai na to anagnwrisoyn ayto, diko toys einai to ftaijimo. Oson afora, omws, tis syntajeis kai ta epidomata, epeidh kapoioi careyoyn se qola nera prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsoyn megalh anasfaleia stoys syntajioyxoys kai stoys asfalismenoys, epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Oi syntajeis kai ola ta epidomata einai eggyhmena apo to ellhniko kratos. Synepws, qema gia tis syntajeis den yparxei se kamia periptwsh. Kai as stamathsoyn osoi pipilane ayth thn karamela na to lene synexeia kai synexeia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sthn prwth moy erwthsh kai epeidh anagnwrizw oti mporei na mhn gnwrizate ti exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos sth epistolh toy k. Cwmiadh, qa hqela na kataqesw epishma erwthma kai na moy apanthsete ayrio ti apanthse o Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy k. Cwmiadh.

ANTWNAROS: Monh sas moy eipate, an qymamai kala, oti h epistolh apeyqynqhke se treis Ypoyrgoys kai se koinopoihsh ston Prwqypoyrgo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den to eipa egw. H synaderfos to eipe kai koinopoihsh ston Prwqypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: Otan koinopoieitai mia epistolh, o teleytaios o opoios apanta sthn epistolh einai aytos pros ton opoio koinopoieitai h epistolh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qelete na rwthsete to Megaro Majimoy kai na mas apanthsete ayrio;

ANTWNAROS: Qa rwthsw. Eyxaristws.

GKATSIOS: Hqela na rwthsw, an qa yparjei kapoia episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn perifereia enocei Sabbatokyriakoy.

ANTWNAROS: Otan qa exw kati, qa sas to anakoinwsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me thn ypoqesh Batopaidioy. Xqes parakoloyqhsate kaqoloy tis dhlwseis ths k. Kanoy poy epikalesthke h k. Swthropoyloy ston thleoptiko staqmo ALTER; Pws sas fanhke h ``martyria'' ths qa elega egw, kaqoti den einai melos sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph.

ANTWNAROS: Jerete na sxoliazw pote thleoptikes ekpompes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, den milaw gia thleoptikes ekpompes.

ANTWNAROS: Einai san na parembainw sto ergo twn dhmosiografwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, den lew na sxoliasete thleoptikes ekpompes. Ennow gia to periexomeno twn dhlwsewn ths k. Kanoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

" Sas enhmerwnoyme oti ayrio, Tetarth 19 Noembrioy, den qa pragmatopoihqei h enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy, logw ths synedriashs ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias.

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