Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-10-13

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 13 Oktwbrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 164020319

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Oktwbrioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TERZHS: Exei oristikopoihqei to programma twn dieqnwn synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Anaferomai, pera apo th Synodo Koryfhs, kai sto tajidi pros Londino, Pekino klp.

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyme akomh kati pros anakoinwsh. Molis exw kati, qa sas to pw.

GALIATSATOS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati ayth th stigmh. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, prosgeiwqhke prin apo ligo sthn Aqhna, epistrefontas apo to Parisi. Den exw neotera stoixeia. Otan exw, qa sas ta anakoinwsw, eite ayrio sto briefing, eite molis ta exw.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h antimetwpish twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias stoys Ypoyrgoys; Eidame olo to Sabbatokyriako oti dexqhkan sxedon oloi sfodres epiqeseis apo thn kommatikh bash ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste sth leitoyrgia toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Egw den eimai edw ws ekproswpos toy kommatos. Gnwrizw, omws, oti eginan nomarxiakes syneleyseis, opoy bebaiws, sta plaisia ths syzhthshs poy eixe ginei prosfata kai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi Ypoyrgoi metebhsan se polles poleis kai jerw oti egine mia poly gonimh, paragwgikh, apodotikh syzhthsh. Ayto einai allwste kai to nohma ths metabashs twn Ypoyrgwn sthn perifereia kai h symmetoxh toys se tetoies ekdhlwseis.

KAKALHS: Gia th swthria twn trapezwn h kybernhsh brhke amesws apoqemata ston Proypologismo kai eftiaje ena synoliko sxedio, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, gia th diaswsh toys. Gia ta dyo ekatommyria synanqrwpwn poy xronia twra zoyn katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias, edw kai polla xronia, o Proypologismos den antexei. To idio kai gia thn Paideia kai gia thn Ygeia. Dhladh, h kybernhsh pisteyei oti to kefalaio ayths ths xwras einai oi pente-eji trapezes kai oxi o laos ths;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na proseggisw to qema me ton tropo me ton opoio to proseggizete eseis. Gnwrizete, asfalws, oti h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, h xeiroterh oikonomikh krish poy antimetwpizei o planhths apo ton Polemo kai meta, einai kati poy afora oles tis xwres. Einai kati poy aggizei, oxi mono tis trapezes, alla kai polles alles oikonomikes drasthriothtes. H xwra mas einai apolytws proetoimasmenh, wste na antimetwpisei, opws allwste apodeiknyetai kai sthn prajh me epityxia kai apotelesmatikothta tis endexomenes synepeies, tis periorismenes gia thn Ellada synepeies ayths ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Eimaste h prwth xwra poy - -qa to qymaste asfalws, den exw kamia amfibolia- - dia stomatos Prwqypoyrgoy kai Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn eggyhqhkame politika oles tis kataqeseis, olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai fantazomai oti oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyn kataqeseis stis trapezes. Qymaste, epishs, oti h topoqethsh ayth egine antikeimeno kritikhs, toso sto eswteriko, apo orismenoys poy deixnoyn akomh na mhn exoyn katalabei ti shmainei ayth h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish, oso kai sto ejwteriko. Telika, h stash mas ayth apodeixthke kai apodeiknyetai sthn prajh oti einai orqh. Liga eikositetrawra argotera, alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs - -sas to ypenqymizw kai ayto, eimai bebaios oti to jerete- - espeysan, me ton idio tropo poy to ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh, na eggyhqoyn politika tis kataqeseis twn dikwn toys politwn stis dikes toys trapezes. Kai me ayto ton tropo, apokatastaqhke en pollois to aparaithto klima hremias kai asfaleias poy prepei na exoyn oi polites se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Epishs, sas ypenqymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, antiqeta me to o,ti ekane o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs - -den to antiparaqetw, to anaferw omws epeidh synexizetai ayth h periergh stash toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- - o Prwqypoyrgos, loipon, prin apo liges ebdomades, phge o idios sthn Trapeza ths Ellados, enhmerwqhke, syzhthse kai mazi me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias, syntonisan tis koines draseis poy einai aparaithtes. Meta apo ayto, akoloyqhsan kai alles syskeceis kai synafeis diaboyleyseis. Se olo ayto to diasthma enhmerwnotan synexws o ellhnikos laos. O Prwqypoyrgos, qymaste, oti ekane mia, dyo, treis dhmosies parembaseis gi` ayto to qema. Emeis, xwris na yperdramatopoioyme to qema ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs, den kaname kamia prospaqeia na to wraiopoihsoyme kai symballame me th synexh paroysia mas sto eyrwpaiko epipedo, ekei opoy apaiteitai, alla kai sto dieqnes epipedo, sthn antimetwpish toy. Sas ypenqymizw oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs brisketai akomh sthn Oyasigkton, stis dieqneis diaboyleyseis me th Dieqnh Trapeza kai to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, wste na symballoyme kai emeis, kai ekei, sth staqeropoihsh ths katastashs. Ola ayta ta qemata den endeiknyntai se kamia periptwsh gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn kai den einai apo ekeina ta qemata poy mporei kaneis na ta proseggisei estw kai me ixnos proxeirothtas. Xreiazetai poly kalh proetoimasia, staqerh grammh kai cyxraimia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla gia oles aytes tis kinhseis poy eipate kai einai gnwstes, h kybernhsh mporei na diekdikhsei basima ta eyshma twn trapezwn, alla thn idia stigmh, den mporei na dwsei edw kai xronia, na brei ta kondylia gia na dwsei gia to Tameio Kata Ths Ftwxeias. Den mporei na brei gia to epidoma qermanshs. Yparxei mono gia xarh twn trapezwn, gia thn kerdoforia twn trapezwn;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den egina antilhptos kai foboymai oti oses fores kai an prospaqhsw, kyrie Kakalh, apo th dikh sas pleyra, den qa ginw antilhptos. Qa sas ypenqymisw, omws, efoson qesate to qema, oti h kybernhsh, hdh, exei desmeyqei kai qa anakoinwqei molis oloklhrwqoyn oi sxetikes proetoimasies, oti qa doqei to epidoma qermanshs se ekeinoys poy pragmatika to exoyn anagkh. Gia to Tameio Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, exoyn ginei sxetikes anakoinwseis - - me rwthsate jana thn perasmenh ebdomada- - apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh. Sas parepemca kai sas eipa oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei anaferqei poly analytika kai exei pei oti, otan proxwrhsoyme, gia kaqe bhma, qa kanei sxetikes, leptomereiakes anakoinwseis. Einai h dikh mas kybernhsh, h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toy Kwsta Karamanlh, ekeinh h opoia energopoihse to sygkekrimeno Tameio, pros ofelos olwn osoi exoyn pragmatika anagkh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Yparxei kanena endexomeno oi mikres, opws eipate, synepeies, opws tis xarakthrizete...

ANTWNAROS: Eipa, sxetika periorismenes, se sxesh me alles xwres. Ayto ennow, gia na mhn parejhghqw.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai... Synepeies ths oikonomikhs krishs, otan xtyphsoyn thn porta ths xwras mas, na ephreasoyn aytes tis desmeyseis poy eipate prin, dhladh, mhpws yparjei problhma sthn ylopoihsh toy Tameioy Kata Ths Ftwxeias h toy epidomatos qermanshs elew ths oikonomikhs krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Osa exoyme pei, ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn. Oi desmeyseis mas ginontai, se oloys toys tomeis prajh. Sas parapempw se dhlwseis poy ekane, poly prosfata, nomizw to Sabbato, se synadelfoys sas poy briskontan mazi toy, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, gia ola ta synafh qemata.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Nai, aplws, epeidh einai mia neopaghs, mia kainoyrgia katastash poy antimetwpizete twra. Ayto den leei tipote;

ANTWNAROS: H doyleia poy ekane h shmerinh kybernhsh ta teleytaia pente xronia, exei dhmioyrghsei akribws to katallhlo periballon, to opoio apaiteitai wste oi synepeies aytes poy anefera, na einai sxetika periorismenes gia thn Ellada. To trapeziko mas systhma, opws apodeiknyetai sthn prajh - -gnwrizete oti se ayta ta pragmata, ayto exei shmasia, h prajh- - einai staqero. Blepoyme ti ginetai se alles xwres. Qa sas ypenqymisw oti enas poly aysthros kriths, opws to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio, to opoio, polles fores to exoyme pei se ayth edw thn aiqoysa kai egw o idios, oti einai aysthros kriths oson afora ta oikonomika mas megeqh, leei: Oti se alles xwres, dhladh sthn eyrwzwnh, h anaptyjh qa einai mhdenikh. H Ellada apotelei ejairesh kai qa exei anaptyjh 2%. Ayta den ta leme emeis. Ta leei o sygkekrimenos aysthros kriths. Loipon, h doyleia h opoia egine, apodidei karpoys kai deixnei oti gia tis dyskoles stigmes exei dhmioyrghsei sterea qemelia.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos ayto xqes, kai epeidh to epanalambanete kai eseis shmera, kai epeidh h paradoxh ston Proypologismo poy eixe kataqesei o k. Alogoskoyfhs htan gia 3% anaptyjh, na ypoqesw oti anaqewreite tis paradoxes;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den anaqewrw tipote. Isxyoyn osa exei pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Ekeino to opoio sas lew egw einai ti problepei o aysthros kriths. Ton exoyme xarakthrisei etsi, opws exoyme xarakthrisei etsi sto parelqon kai thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Milaei gia toylaxiston 2% sthn Ellada enw, kai ayto einai to shmantiko, sthn eyrwzwnh milaei gia anaptyjh mhdenikh.

MANH: O k. Alogoskoyfhs dhlwse xqes sthn Oyasigkton oti den yparxei qema anaqewrhshs toy Proypologismoy, alla prosqese ``ayth th stigmh''. Yparxei qema anaqewrhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

MANH: Yparxei kati anakoinwsimo, se sxesh me ton Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti sas eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs. O kaq` ylhn apolyta armodios Ypoyrgos, topoqethqhke me jekaqaro tropo. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poio einai to ycos twn xrhmatwn poy qa diaqesei h kybernhsh gia tis trapezes; Dhladh, to Tameio poy qa ftiaxtei se kaqe xwra, symfwna kai me th xqesinh apofash twn arxhgwn ths eyrwzwnhs; Poio einai to ycos poy qa diaqesei h kybernhsh se xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, edw kai polles ebdomades, proetoimazei ola ekeina ta aparaithta sxedia gia oles tis periptwseis poy mporoyn na prokycoyn apo thn krish. Den exw, ayth th stigmh, na sas pw kati perissotero apo osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes.

KAKALHS: To Tameio, poso qa einai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw, ayth th stigmh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Symfwna me thn efhmerida ``EQNOS THS KYRIAKHS'', yparxei ena aithma arshs asylias gia ton k. Kyriako Mhtsotakh gia emplokh se paranomes epidothseis. Qa hqela to sxolio sas. Kai qa hqela kai kati allo: An yioqeteite thn apoch toy k. Kyriakoy Mhtsotakh oti ayth h istoria ofeiletai se eswkommatika maxairwmata.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia diadikasia h opoia einai, symfwna me osa moy lete, koinoboyleytikh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gia ta eswkommatika maxairwmata;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ayth th dhlwsh, alla den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Olh h ypoqesh einai antikeimeno koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na perasw se ena allo qema kai na rwthsw, an anhsyxei thn kybernhsh h ayjhsh poy parathreitai sta sxoleia poy teloyn ypo katalhch.

ANTWNAROS: Kaneis den exei to dikaiwma na afairei thn prosbash pros th gnwsh poy exoyn kai prepei na exoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai eidika oi neoi mas poy foitoyn sta sxoleia. Ayto qa prepei na to lambanoyn ypoch toys oloi osoi, me kinhtra ta opoia den einai panta synafh pros th leitoyrgia twn sxoleiwn, probainoyn se tetoies energeies, oi opoies se orismenes periptwseis, opws ayto poy synebh sthn Kalamata, prokaloyn banaysa to dhmosio aisqhma.

STAQOPOYLOS: Shmera, o k. Xatzhgakhs, se mia synenteyjh toy ston ``Eleyqero Typo'' leei oti den fobatai h Nea Dhmokratia tis prowres ekloges, opote kai an ginoyn. Symmerizeste ayth thn apoch;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia ton Ypoyrgo. Allwste, den tiqetai qema.

STAQOPOYLOS: An symmerizeste thn apoch toy oti h Nea Dhmokratia, h kybernhsh den fobatai tis prowres ekloges, opote kai an ginoyn.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh, opws exw pei kat` epanalhch, exei eklegei gia thn efarmogh enos sygkekrimenoy kybernhtikoy programmatos. Tis desmeyseis aytes tis kanei prajh. Oi polites anagnwrizoyn kai thn apotelesmatikothta twn ergwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai th synepeia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai otan erqei h syntagmatika problepomenh wra gia tis ekloges, eimai bebaios oti qa anagnwrisoyn ayth th symbolh toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ths shmerinhs kybernhshs. Sas eipa, allwste, oti oi kybernhseis krinontai sta dyskola, se stigmes opws tis shmerines poy me ypeyqynothta antimetwpizoyn kai ola ta aproblepta, opws einai oi dieqneis kriseis poy prokyptoyn sto dromo.

SARANTAKOS: Afoy den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn, opws katasthsate safes prin apo ligo, poio htan ayto poy wqhse to Sabbatokyriako tesseris ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs sas na poyn oti den yparxei kanena qema prowrwn eklogwn kai oti synexizoyme kanonika to ergo mas, afoy ola ayta poy perigracate einai dedomena;

ANTWNAROS: Mporei na ftaiei ayto poy kai eseis - -fantazomai- - grafete syxna-pykna sthn efhmerida sas.

SARANTAKOS: Oti;

ANTWNAROS: Blepete synexeia ekloges ekei poy den yparxoyn. Alla...

SARANTAKOS: Ennoeite oti apantoyn se emena oi tesseris ypoyrgoi;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Pros Qeoy! Qelw na pw to ejhs, gia na ginei apolytws safes: Oi syzhthseis aytes stis opoies meteixan oi Ypoyrgoi poy phgan stis nomarxiakes syneleyseis, eginan sta plaisia mias anoikths diadikasias sthn opoia eteqhsan apo toys paristamenoys polla qemata pros syzhthsh. Endexomenws kai ayth h erwthsh poy moy eqese prohgoymenws o k. Staqopoylos kai poy qetete kai eseis, merikes fores, sthn efhmerida opoy grafete. Oi Ypoyrgoi apanthsan, opws apantw kai egw se ayton edw to xwro. Den tiqetai qema prowrwn eklogwn. Ean den to elega, mporei na legate - -oxi eseis proswpika, oi paristamenoi genikotera ennow- - oti afhna kapoio paraqyraki anoikto kai gi` ayto to kleinw to qema.

GALIATSATOS: Na epanelqw sthn ypoqesh toy k. Mhtsotakh kai na sas rwthsw: O boyleyths ejedwse mia anakoinwsh xqes. Ayth h anakoinwsh kalyptei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti paei na pei ``na kalyptei thn kybernhsh''. O boyleyths, ej oswn gnwrizw, topoqeteitai gia ena qema to opoio einai antikeimeno, opws moy eipate, koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias.

TERZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh epanalambanete to peri koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias, katalabainw oti h kybernhsh exei thn plhroforia oti h dikografia qa erqei sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den moy eipate; Eseis me rwthsate oti tiqetai qema arshs ths asylias. Ep` aytoy topoqethqhka, anaferomenos se koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

TERZHS: Sxoliazw th dikh sas apanthsh. Den exei shmasia ti rwtaw.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

GALIATSATOS: Se ena allo qema, twra. Shmera, exoyme dei, meta th syntonismenh drash twn eyrwpaiwn hgetwn xqes, tis dieqneis agores na anakamptoyn kai sthn Asia kai sthn Eyrwph. Pisteyete oti jeperasame ta xeirotera; Eiste aisiodojoi;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai na briskontai - -osoi prepei na briskontai- - se egrhgorsh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai, otan prokyptoyn, synepeies ths oikonomikhs krishs.

KAKALHS: H ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs diabebaiwnei oti ta asfalistika Tameia exoyn mhdenikh ekqesh se epikindyna tojika proionta. Wstoso, mia proxeirh ereyna apodeiknyei oti den einai etsi ta pragmata kai oti yparxoyn megales apwleies, oi opoies den fainetai na einai kai logistikes. Pote qa enhmerwsei h kybernhsh ypeyqyna ton ellhniko lao kai toys asfalismenoys gi` ayth thn katastash;

ANTWNAROS: Ejedwse anakoinwsh, an den kanw laqos, h k. Petralia thn Paraskeyh. Ayth h anakoinwsh ejakoloyqei na isxyei.

KAKALHS: Akoloyqhsan dhmosieymata, opws eidate, poy deixnoyn oti yparxoyn megales zhmies.

ANTWNAROS: Egw exw ypoch moy thn epishmh anakoinwsh ths Ypoyrgoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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