Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-10-09

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 9 Oktwbrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 163313567

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 9 Oktwbrioy 2008

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O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera to apogeyma anaxwrei gia th Malta, opoy ayrio qa pragmatopoihsei monohmerh epishmh episkech. To analytiko programma ths episkechs qa doqei, se ligh wra, apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Perilambanontai synanthseis me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias ths Maltas, kaqws epishs kai epishmo geyma kai deipno, ayrio. O Prwqypoyrgos epistrefei to Sabbato to prwi.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yphrje martyria se thleoptiko staqmo oti o Efraim synanthqhke me koryfaia kybernhtika stelexh, metajy twn opoiwn kai eseis, alla kai o k. Doykas. Isxyei kati tetoio kai an egine gia poio logo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoiosdhpote exei na kataggeilei to otidhpote epilhcimo den exei para na paei ston Eisaggelea. Einai dyo oi Eisaggeleis poy asxoloyntai me thn ypoqesh. As pane loipon ekei, anti anwnymws kai pisw apo koyrtines, diaforoi na lene anejoda oti nomizoyn oti mporei na kollhsei ws lasph epanw se mena h stoys alloys ypoyrgoys. Eyqews kai anoixta. Dyo Eisaggeleis ereynoyn thn ypoqesh. Opoios nomizei oti exei kati epilhcimo, na paei ekei kai na to kataggeilei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa paw se allh erwthsh. Me aformh th xqesinh synanthsh me ton k. Nimits, pws briskei h kybernhsh to neo paketo sto qema ths onomasias; Qewrei oti telos pantwn einai mia bash diapragmateyshs, dhladh gia peraiterw diapragmateysh h to aporriptei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa meinw sth dhlwsh poy egine apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai h opoia -sas qymizw- epeshmane metajy allwn: ``Ajiologoyme me thn aparaithth prosoxh alla kai epoikodomhtikh diaqesh th desmh idewn poy ypebale stoys diapragmateytes o k. Nimits''. Kata ta loipa, exoyme paroysiasei kai analysei, me poly sygkekrimeno tropo tis qeseis mas gia th sobarothta kai egkyrothta twn opoiwn oydeis amfiballei. Epiqymoyme eilikrina thn oristikh epilysh toy shmantikoy aytoy qematos me tropo amoibaia apodekto, opws exoyme pei polles fores.

PALAIOLOGOS: To lew, epishmainontas th gnwsth, dedomenh diakhryjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti h onomasia ayth qa einai ``erga omnes'', dhladh enanti olwn. Ap` oti fainetai, symfwna me tis yparxoyses plhrofories, ayto to pragma den isxyei sto neo paketo Nimits. Gi` ayto kai rwtaw: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h rhth diabebaiwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti h lysh sto qema ths onomasias, qa einai telika ``erga omnes'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai kai sebomai to endiaferon oxi mono twn dhmosiografwn, alla kai toy kaqe Ellhna polith. Ayto to opoio exei dhlwqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, ayto poy dhlwqhke apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, xqes, me aformh th nea desmh idewn, einai ta osa mporw na pw shmera kai na epanalabw ws isxyonta. Giati oi dhmosies dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn ginei kai sto prosfato kai sto apwtero parelqon.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Dedomenoy oti to keimeno milaei gia systash se sxesh me to an qa apodexqoyn oles oi xwres th nea onomasia, qelw na rwthsw, an yparxei sto sxediasmo ths kybernhshs kapoia prwtoboylia eite toy Prwqypoyrgoy, eite ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn poy qa afora tajidia se diafores xwres toy kosmoy, prokeimenoy na peisoyme gia mia akomh fora gia ta dika mas epixeirhmata, se sxesh me to Skopiano.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xwris na qewrw oti sas dinw kapoia eidhsh, epanalambanw oti kaqe prosforo meso sthn kateyqynsh epilyshs toy qematos, opws exoyme dhlwsei, xrhsimopoieitai, xrhsimopoihqhke kai qa synexisei na xrhsimopoieitai.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Yparxoyn kapoies dhmoskophseis, oi opoies eidan ta teleytaia eikositetrawra to fws ths dhmosiothtas, symfwna me tis opoies eseis emfanizeste teleytaios se dhmotikothta. Poio einai to sxolio sas, dedomenoy oti se alles dhmoskophseis palaiotera, hsastan sxedon sthn prwth triada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw pei thn apoch moy gia tis dhmoskophseis. Den qa thn allajw, akomh kai an afora emena ton idio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn protash twn boyleytwn toy PASOK na kalesoyn sth Boylh ton Proedro ths Kthmatikhs Etaireias toy Dhmosioy, prokeimenoy na dwsei ejhghseis gia olh ayth thn istoria me th Monh Batopaidioy. Qelw de, na symperilabw sthn erwthsh kai tis apokalyceis poy ekane xqes enas martyras, o opoios malista shmera aytoboylws phge ston Eisaggelea. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia tis apokalyceis poy ekane aytos o martyras, gia synanthseis poy eixate eseis me ton k. Efraim, kaqws kai alloi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, apanthsa nwritera. Se o,ti afora to prwto, einai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Milate profanws gia ton Proedro ths Kthmatikhs Etaireias toy Dhmosioy kai oxi toy Kthmatologioy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, einai koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Syzhteitai hdh sth diaskech twn Proedrwn kai h kybernhsh exei oysiastika, apo thn prwth stigmh, apanthsei, emmesws plhn safws, se ola ayta ta qemata. Dhladh, ola ta stoixeia ta opoia qa bohqhsoyn sthn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs tiqentai sth diaqesh ths Dikaiosynhs. Koinoboyleytika, qa apanthsei h Boylh gia tis diadikasies poy qa akoloyqhqoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate oti parapemcate to qema sth Dikaiosynh, eipate oti einai sth dikaiodosia ths Dikaiosynhs, wstoso yparxei mia as to poyme diastash mesa stoys kolpoys ths Dikaiosynhs gia to qema ayto kai polloi diablepoyn oti pisw apo thn apofash toy Eisaggelea na zhthsei ypo thn katoxh toy thn ereyna ayth kai na thn parei, den jerw gia poso xrono, qewrhqhke apo polloys oti afairei thn olh ereyna, thn anaqesh ths ereynas apo toys dyo entetalmenoys Eisaggeleis. Nomizw exete ypoch sas ayto to qema. Ayto to pragma, dhladh, ermhneyetai oti yparxei mia politikh skopimothta apo pisw. Poia einai h apoch ths kybernhshs gi` ayto to qema; Yparxei ontws politikh skopimothta h kai ayto anagetai ston tropo diadikasias ths Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, shmera diabasa sygkexymenes plhrofories stis efhmerides. Kata synepeia, den mporw na exw mia sygkekrimenh apoch. Deyteron, einai gnwsto oti h Dikaiosynh apotelei anejarthth, kata to Syntagma, ejoysia. Kai h kybernhsh ayth, einai epishs gnwsto, eite ws antipoliteyomeno komma, eite ws kybernhsh den krinei tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs. To an synebh ayto poy lete h den synebh, den to gnwrizw. Qa prepei na apeyqynqeite stoys armodioys Eisaggeleis gia na sas diafwtisoyn. Alla politikes skopimothtes kai ta toiayta, ennoeitai oti parelkei na apanthsw. Qewrw, dhladh, oti einai senaria episthmonikhs fantasias.

BASILOPOYLOS: H timh toy petrelaioy exei fqasei sta 87 dolaria to bareli, shmera poy milame. Qa kanw mia erwthsh poy thn eixa kanei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada: An mporeite, an eiste se qesh twra na moy apanthsete gia to pote ayto qa to dei o Ellhnas katanalwths sthn kaqhmerinothta toy, qa to zhsei, qa to niwsei, qa to aisqanqei. To prwto einai ayto. Kai to deytero einai to ejhs: Shmera, ginetai nomos toy kratoys h ejasfalish twn kataqesewn mexri 100.000 eyrw. Ayto to katalabainw. Thn politikh desmeysh toy oti den qa xaqei oyte ena eyrw apo tis kataqeseis estw kai an einai 1.000.000 eyrw, as poyme, pws qa thn petyxete, an oi trapezes antimetwpisoyn problhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, den exw na pw kati perissotero apo ta osa sas eixa pei thn perasmenh ebdomada, me bash ta stoixeia poy moy doqhkan apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Kata synepeia, pisteyw oti an apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs qa exoyn na sas dwsoyn perissoteres leptomereies. Se o,ti afora to deytero, h politikh eggyhsh, h opoia eteqh apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo proswpika, isxyei kai qa synexisei na isxyei. To nomiko kommati, to opoio lynetai se o,ti afora to ycos ths eggyhshs poy isxyei shmera, ginetai me tropologia sth Boylh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to ycos ths eggyhshs poy isxyei shmera einai 20.000 eyrw. Anebainei stis 100.000 eyrw  qa isxysei gia para poly kairo ayto- kai an oxi oloi, pantws h syntriptikh pleionothta twn kataqesewn, kalyptontai apo ayth th ryqmish. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, einai en isxy h politikh desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai ths kybernhshs gia to oti eggyatai oles tis kataqeseis. Qelw na shmeiwsw, me aformh ayto to qema, thn -gia mia akomh fora- antifatikh politikh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. O k. Papandreoy, to PASOK, dhlwsan oti me ypeyqynh stash qa sthrijoyn tis prwtoboylies poy lambanei h kybernhsh gia thn antimetwpish ths dieqnoys xrhmatopistwtikhs krishs. Kai prin kan teleiwsei h hmera, apedeijan, katachfizontas epi ths Arxhs to nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn gia toys daneiolhptes, oti ayta poy lene pote den ta ennooyn. To PASOK to prwi leei oti qa sthrijei opoiadhpote prwtoboylia bohqa toys daneiolhptes, toys Ellhnes poy einai sto emporio, oloys toys Ellhnes poy tyxon plhttontai apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish kai prin oloklhrwqei h hmera, phgainei sth Boylh kai katachfizei epi ths Arxhs to nomosxedio to opoio sthrizei toys daneiolhptes kai sto opoio perilambanetai kai h ryqmish gia tis 100.000 eyrw ws eggyhsh twn poswn twn kataqesewn. Ayta, gia na krinei kaqenas poioi einai mono logia kai poioi me pragmatiko ergo, me sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta poy apaitoyn oi kairoi, antapokrinontai stis proklhseis twn kairwn.

TSIOYFOS: Qa moy epitrecete mia xqesinh erwthsh, mia kai den eixame th dynatothta xqes na ta poyme. Ti allaje kai apofasisthke h epistrofh toy k. Dailakh sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, se sxesh me thn prohgoymenh apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Giati thn Paraskeyh, meta thn epistolh, akoloyqhsan dhlwseis poy ligo-poly eipe ta idia, osa eixe pei kai otan diagrafhke. Allaje kati kai fqasame sthn apofash ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den akoloyqhse kamia tetoia dhlwsh. Metaferqhke kapoia syzhthsh. En pash periptwsei, den qa mpw se ayth th diadikasia. Ekeino poy qa pw einai oti yphrje apo thn Paraskeyh dhlwsh toy anaplhrwth Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy, otan rwthqhke. Eipe oti to qema ejetasthke kai tis prosexeis hmeres egine ayto poy egine.

MPOTSARHS: Na epanelqoyme sthn akribeia. Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo tis kinhseis poy exoyn ginei apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs pros thn kateyqynsh ths katapolemhshs ths akribeias; Kai polloi einai ekeinoi poy anarwtioyntai ti qa ginei epiteloys apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, prokeimenoy na xtyphqoyn ta kartel poy lymainontai edw kai dekaeties thn agora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn, h anagkh gia akomh megalyterh entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn etsi wste na patassetai h opoia kerdoskopikh tash emfanizetai sthn agora, epishmanqhke kai apo ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs, alla epishmanqhke apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn episkech poy pragmatopoihse, molis prin apo dyo hmeres, sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Ayth h entatikopoihsh pisteyw oti qa bohqhsei se ena shmantiko pososto kai elpizw sth  to exw janapei kai allh fora- dhmioyrgia enos katanalwtikoy kinhmatos to opoio qa enisxysei tis opoies prospaqeies ths Politeias. Dioti, gnwrizete poly kala oti xreiazetai kai h allh pleyra, poy einai o poliths-katanalwths o opoios plhttetai apo tis kerdoskopikes taseis, opoy yparxoyn. H elegktikh pleyra apo thn Politeia, opoia kai an einai h kybernhsh, exei sygkekrimena kai periorismena periqwria. Kai den ennow periqwria nomikhs drashs, alla periqwria giati einai enas mikros elegktikos mhxanismos sygkritika me to terastio megeqos kai twn politwn-katanalwtwn kai twn emporikwn katasthmatwn poy leitoyrgoyn sth xwra mas. Xreiazetai, loipon, apo th mia aysthropoihsh  se o,ti afora toys kanones ayto exei ginei- kai entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn. Kai ayto ginetai kai katopin twn odhgiwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai pali. Kai apo thn allh pleyra, o poliths-katanalwths na enisxysei me to diko toy tropo, me tis kataggelies opoy blepei oti ginetai kerdoskopia h yparxoyn taseis kerdoskopias, ayth thn prospaqeia poy entelei qa katalhjei ep` wfeleia olwn twn katanalwtwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Na kanw kai egw mia palia erwthsh; O Prwqypoyrgos diabase thn epistolh ths k. Mpezentakoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw sto qema ths Monhs Batopaidioy, me aformh mia xqesinh parembash kai as moy epitrapei, ypainiktikh parembash toy eisaggelea k. Zormpa, o opoios ekane mia periergh dhlwsh otan rwthqhke gia an dexqhke politikes parembaseis apo to Megaro Majimoy se sxesh gia na synanthqei me ton hgoymeno Efraim, o opoios eipe to ejhs: oti ``dexqhka  leei- mia episkech apo ton k. Efraim. Ta loipa afhnontai sth nohmosynh toy erwtwntos''. Epeidh h nohmosynh h dikh moy den moy epitrepei na diereynhsw to ti akribws hqele na pei o k. Zormpas, mhpws mporei h kybernhsh na mas pei ti exei na pei gia tis apoceis aytes toy k. Zormpa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den qa mpw anamesa se esas kai ston prwhn eisaggelea, opote sas afhnw eleyqeroys na kanete mia syzhthsh kai na bgalete symperasmata. Alla, isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana sthn arxh: Opoios exei kai loipa kai loipa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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