Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-09-19

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 19 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 159557107

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 19 Septembrioy 2008

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" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayth th stigmh, synantatai, opws sas exw pei apo xqes, me to Dano omologo toy Anters Rasmoysen.

" Qelw epishs na pw me to telos twn Paraolympiakwn Agwnwn sto Pekino, na sygxarw ek meroys ths kybernhshs, oloys toys aqlhtes mas kai toys Olympionikes, poy kataferan na kerdisoyn shmantikes diakriseis, fernontas 24 metallia sth xwra mas. Sygxarhthria, loipon, se oloys gia thn prospaqeia toys, h opoia tima toys Ellhnes, thn Ellada kai mas kanei yperhfanoys.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme mia akomh dhmoskophsh poy deixnei kalytero Prwqypoyrgo, ton Giwrgo Papandreoy, se sxesh me ton Kwsta Karamanlh. Jerw oti den sxoliazete, alla qa hqela na sas prokalesw. Nomizw, dhladh, oti hrqe h wra na anaqewrhsete thn pagia stash sas kai na arxisete na th sxoliazete dioti den einai dynaton...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prospaqhste...

FANIDHS: To paleyw, einai alhqeia. Jerete kati kyrie Ekproswpe: Th mia ebdomada bgainei o Prwqypoyrgos ws katallhloteros me megalh diafora apo to Giwrgo Papandreoy kai jafnika, mesa se treis-tesseris hmeres, meta apo polla xronia malista, blepoyme to antiqeto. To sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw epanalabei thn apoch mas tis teleytaies hmeres, me aformh kai allh dhmoskophsh. Nomizw oti perissotero qa sas koyrasw, an thn epanalabw gia mia akomh fora -deyterh, trith, tetarth sth seira- para qa sas bohqhsw gia to sxolio to opoio epizhtate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia th dhmoskophsh qa einai kai h erwthsh moy...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den epeisa mallon sthn prwth apanthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epishmanw ena allo stoixeio: Mexri twra jerame pws o Prwqypoyrgos hgemoneye, toylaxiston politika, leme, se politiko epipedo. Wstoso, omws, symfwna me th dhmoskophsh ayth ths ALCO, symfwna kai me tis analyseis toy dhmoskopoy k. Panagopoyloy, gia prwth fora  leei- parathreitai rhgma stis sxeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Karamanlh me thn koinwnia. Isxyei kati tetoio; Pisteyete eseis oti h katastash den einai anastrecimh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To mono poy isxyei einai h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws ston k. Fanidh.

KAKALHS: Th stigmh poy sthn agora kaysimwn, ta kartel kai oi kerdoskopoi kanoyn parti, h kybernhsh akomh caxnei na brei poios eyqynetai gia thn kerdoskopia, gia na kanei epitropes gia na brei ti symbainei me thn kerdoskopia meta apo tesseramisi xronia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, anafereste stis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes o k. Fwlias ws armodios ypoyrgos. Apanthse se sxetika erwthmata ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy. H prospaqeia, opws gnwrizete, einai gia synexeis elegxoys sthn agora. Exw milhsei kai pali gia ton ariqmo twn elegxwn h gia ton ariqmo twn elegktwn, o opoios den mporei na einai ateleiwtos. Ayth thn prospaqeia exoyme jekinhsei edw kai xronia -kai oxi twra- kai ayth thn prospaqeia synexizoyme. Den prepei na jexnaei kapoios, bebaiws, th dieqnh sygkyria. H opoia dieqnhs sygkyria exei katagrafei pleon, oxi aplws sth syneidhsh olwn twn politwn  kai ennow kai twn Ellhnwn kai twn politwn, synolika, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs- alla exei katagrafei sthn kaqhmerinothta mas, sthn pragmatikothta thn opoia zoyme. H prospaqeia, loipon, einai sthn kateyqynsh ths patajhs ths kerdoskopias. Kai ayto symbainei synexws, epanalambanomena oso yparxei kerdoskopia, kai qa synexisei na symbainei akomh me pio emfatiko tropo.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla oson afora th dieqnh sygkyria, exoyn antistrafei ta pragmata, exoyn pesei oi times kata 35%, isws kai perissotero, toy petrelaioy, enw ths benzinhs sta prathria den exei pesei. Ayto akribws einai to qema, oti synexizetai...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edwse apanthsh xqes o k. Fwlias, h opoia exei kai texnika xarakthristika. Qa meinw se ayth thn apanthsh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h dieqnhs kai h egxwria oikonomikh kaxejia, se synarthsh kai me thn oikonomikh kaxejia twn noikokyriwn, epiballei ena klima politikhs staqerothtas. Wstoso, ayth thn wra, kai sto eswteriko ths kybernhshs yparxei astaqeia, alla kai ta eyrhmata twn dhmoskophsewn, qa elega, oti primodotoyn mia politikh astaqeia. Den prepei na ginei kati se epipedo kybernhtikhs hgesias, wsotoy na apokatastaqei ena klima staqerothtas; Mh jexnate oti exete kai thn chfish toy Proypologismoy mprosta sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to jexname, na eiste bebaios gi` ayto. Kai den jexname oti yparxei mia seira apo shmantika problhmata, ta opoia antimetwpizontai kai prepei na antimetwpizontai kai na antimetwpistoyn sto mellon. Sas dinw to paradeigma to opoio exoyme oloi mprosta mas, edw kai dyo meres: Thn Olympiakh. Ayto apodeiknyei oti h kybernhsh kineitai se mia logikh pragmatikhs politikhs, antimetwpizontas problhmata, ta opoia sysswreysan xreh stis plates twn Ellhnwn politwn, epi dekaeties. Sas dinw mia seira apo alla paradeigmata, ta opoia molis prosfata anefere kai o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Den prepei na jexnaei kapoios oti toys teleytaioys eji mhnes exoyn ginei metarryqmiseis se para polla qemata, jekinwntas apo thn Paideia, me thn ypoqesh twn Kollegiwn poy lynei ena megalo problhma ths foithtikhs metanasteyshs. Eimaste h prwth xwra se foithtikh metanasteysh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Sas dinw to paradeigma toy Asfalistikoy, h metarryqmish toy opoioy elyse agkylwseis dekaetiwn: Sygxwneyontai Tameia kai to programma ayto synexizetai kanonika stis hmeromhnies poy eixame programmatisei. Exei kanei kai sxetikes dhlwseis h armodia ypoyrgos, exei paei se Dioikhtika Symboylia Tameiwn. Proxwraei h diadikasia ths epiloghs twn Proedrwn twn enopoihmenwn Tameiwn. Sas dinw to paradeigma twn limaniwn kai ths apokratikopoihshs toys, ta opoia oysiastika qa metatrecoyn th xwra mas se dieqnh kombo naysiploias metajy Anatolhs kai Dyshs, se dieqnh kombo emporioy. Sas dinw to paradeigma ths epikyrwshs toy South Stream, pro oligwn hmerwn, sth Boylh. Mia epikyrwsh poy erxetai se synexeia mias energeiakhs politikhs poy akoloyqei staqera h kybernhsh, edw kai tesseramisi xronia. Yparxei, loipon, mia seira apo paradeigmata, ta opoia apotypwnoyn thn pragmatikh politikh kai dinoyn kai ton orizonta, to stoxo. O stoxos einai h antimetwpish aytwn twn pragmatikwn problhmatwn.

Se o,ti afora ta sxolia ta opoia anaferate sthn parathrhsh poy kanate, egw qa meinw se ena mono: O topos xreiazetai staqerothta. Kai ayth th staqerothta, h kybernhsh, oxi aplws thn epediwje me kaqe tropo, alla kai thn yphretei me kaqe tropo. Ayth h staqerothta, h ypeyqynothta, h systhmatikh doyleia, o strathgikos orizontas poy einai enas kai mono, dhladh pws qa paei o topos kalytera, den prokeitai na allajei sthn atzenta ths kybernhshs ws stoxos, apo opoiondhpote paragonta.

GARGALAKOS: Ek twn pragmatwn, kyrie Ekproswpe, eiste o arxitektonas ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Wstoso, esxatws exoyn plhqynei oi epiqeseis enantion sas, toso apo ``exqroys'', oso kai apo ``filies dynameis'',. Aisqaneste oti mporeite pleon na epiteleite to rolo toy arxitektona ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs, aproskopta opws prin;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den apodexomai ayto ton oro. Einai bebaio oti apo th qesh moy exw shmantiko rolo sthn epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs, wstoso qa sas pw oti kai o dikos moy strathgikos stoxos sympiptei me to strathgiko stoxo olwn mas ws ypoyrgwn, na epitelesoyme, oso kalytera ginetai, to ergo mas.

XIWTHS: Para tis dikes sas dhlwseis kyrie Ypoyrge, alla kai allwn koryfaiwn stelexwn ths kybernhshs oti den tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy, fantazomai na gnwrizete kai eseis oti h fhmologia diarkws enteinetai. Exete kapoia ejhghsh, giati symbainei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na dwsw ermhneia. To mono bebaio einai oti, para ta epanalambanomena reportaz sta Mesa Enhmerwshs, h apanthsh poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos -kai epanelaba, ek meroys toy, kai egw edw sthn aiqoysa toy press room, isxyei.

XIWTHS: Exete thn aisqhsh oti se olh ayth th fhmologia, einai ametoxa ta kybernhtika stelexh h h fhmologia enteinetai kai me dikh toys symmetoxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na milw, opws exw janapei edw, me aisqhseis h alles antilhceis. Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos sas lew, poia einai h politikh qesh, thn opoia ejefrase o Prwqypoyrgos sth Qessalonikh, enwpion ymwn, poy ton rwtoysate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote, poios o logos kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos na zhthsei prosexws, opws grafetai, thn ananewsh ths empistosynhs pros thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to eipe kapoios ek meroys ths kybernhshs;

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me ta reportaz kai me ta shmerina dhmosieymata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia ajia ayto to opoio lete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den exei ajia h afistatai ths pragmatikothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eilikrina, sas lew oti den einai dynaton se kaqe fantasiwsh toy opoioydhpote na prepei na apanta o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, den isxyei ayto poy lete.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia xqesines kataggelies poy ekane o Proedros toy LAOS k. Karatzaferhs sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn toy ANT-1, poy anefere oti syggeneis ths ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai toy k. Koybeloy agorasan megalh ektash sto Bolo, h opoia en synexeia, katopin parembashs toy k. Koybeloy me thn idiothta toy ws Proedroy ths diekdikhshs twn Mesogeiakwn Agwnwn toy 2013, qa xrhsimopoihqei gia toys agwnes aytoys. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eida, exei yparjei jekaqarh analytikh apanthsh apo thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai to syzygo ths, h opoia nomizw jekaqarizei apolytws to qema. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero se ayto.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite me tinos prwtoboylia ginetai to apogeyma h synanthsh ths k. Mpakogiannh me ton k. Milosofski sto Parisi kai an alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti exei emplakei jana h kybernhsh twn HPA, opws eixe kanei kai sto parelqon;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto prwto skelos, exei apanthsei o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Qa kanw mono mia parathrhsh, epeidh kindyneyei na dhmioyrghqei diaforetikh entypwsh apo to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Yparxei diarkhs enhmerwsh twn Ellhnwn dhmosiografwn poy einai mazi ths, gia tis kinhseis ths ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn sto meizon kai lepto ayto qema. Ayto poy qelw na epanalabw -asxetws ayths ths synanthshs h oxi- einai oti h xwra mas exei teinei eyhkoon oys kai einai eyprosdekth pros opoion mporei na bohqhsei pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Den to sxetizw me th synanthsh, alla to epanalambanw, giati eixa erwthqei to idio -an qymaste- kai prin to Boykoyresti kai me mia synanthsh poy eixe ginei se allh eyrwpaikh prwteyoysa. Emeis prospaqoyme na broyme thn kalyterh dynath lysh. Lysh h opoia qa dinei jekaqara apanthsh kai sta politika aithmata kai sthn Istoria. Ayta, loipon, ta opoia exoyme pei, isxyoyn kai se ayth thn periptwsh. Milw gia thn periptwsh ths synanthshs -oxi toy an prokalese kapoios h oxi th synanthsh- giati se ayto sas exw hdh apanthsei. Jekaqarizw, loipon: Se o,ti afora thn kalyterh lysh toy problhmatos, thn exoyme epanalabei para polles fores, perigrafontas thn, kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Se o,ti afora tis synanthseis, einai ena ergaleio mesa apo to opoio mporei na yparjoyn kapoia pragmata poy qa odhghsoyn sth swsth kateyqynsh. Den qelw na pw perissotera. Exoyn ginei hdh dhlwseis kai yparxei apolyth enhmerwsh, opws eipa, twn dhmosiografwn. Qa parakalesw, se ayto to qema, na meinoyme ekei.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas eixe erwthsei kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai hqela na rwthsw jana gia to an yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs gia to pote qa jekinhsei h diadikasia apeleyqerwshs twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete dikio oti me eixate rwthsei kai den qymamai an sas eixa pei oti qa enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia kai qa sas apanthsw. Lypoymai, den eimai etoimos. Qa enhmerwqw. Einai kentriko qema, den einai mono qema toy ypoyrgeioy.

KAPRALOS: Einai ejaggelia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennow, dhladh, oti qa eprepe na eixa brei thn apanthsh, na sas th dwsw. Apologoymai, kai th Deytera elpizw na eimai etoimos.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na gyrisoyme ligo sto qema ths Olympiakhs. Para to gegonos oti paroysiasate ena sxedio gia to mellon twn ergazomenwn sthn etaireia kai malista me to sxedio ayto fainetai oti apoktoyn polla pronomia sto mellon oi ergazomenoi, en toytois synexizoyn na diamartyrontai. Malista, shmera, ekleisan kai to kentro ths Aqhnas, me apotelesma na talaipwrhqoyn oloi edw oi synadelfoi gia na erqoyn sto briefing. Egw hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Qewreite oti einai ypokinoymenes oi diamartyries kyriws twn syndikalistwn ths Olympiakhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw se ayth th logikh. Egw qa pw oti to sxedio einai to kalytero poy qa mporoyse na yparjei. Kai pantws, einai sigoyra ena sxedio to opoio dinei lyseis se ola ta problhmata. Kai sto qema ths Olympiakhs sas edwsa xqes toys ajones poy problepei ayto to sxedio gia toys ergazomenoys, alla kai sthn ejeyresh neoy ependyth, neoy ependytikoy sxhmatos. Apo ekei kai pera, antilambanomai oti oi ergazomenoi exoyn kaqe dikaiwma na ekfrasoyn thn apoch toys. Ayto to sebomaste. H alhqeia einai oti o ellhnikos laos den mporei na synexisei na plhrwnei panw apo 1 ekat. eyrw thn hmera gia zhmies kai problhmata ths Olympiakhs. Ayth h lysh, xwris na qigei toys ergazomenoys, xwris na ypotima thn ypostash mias etaireias pollwn dekaetiwn, odhgei sto aitoymeno poy qa eprepe na htan aitoymeno kai gia alles kybernhseis sto parelqon, otan ta problhmata gigantwnan. Twra, loipon, poy brisketai h lysh, twra poy eimaste konta sth lysh, pisteyw oti h telikh katalhjh qa mas dikaiwsei.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti o epikoinwniakos kai politikos xeirismos ths ypoqeshs ths Monhs Batopaidioy einai panomoiotypos me ayton ths ypoqeshs twn omologwn; Dhladh, sthn ypoqesh twn omologwn h kybernhsh ``pagwse'' thn agora domhmenwn omologwn kai erije tis eyqynes stis anidees dioikhseis twn Tameiwn, parapempontas taytoxrona to qema sth Dikaiosynh. Me ton idio akribws tropo xeirizetai kai to qema toy Batopaidioy. Dhladh, ``pagwnei'' tis dioikhtikes prajeis, metaqetei to qema stis gnwmodothseis twn kratikwn organwn kai parapempei to qema sth Dikaiosynh. Aytos o xeirismos den ypodhlwnei thn yparjh enos eniaioy kentroy poy xeirizetai aytes tis ypoqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti symperasma pate na bgalete, alla o,ti exw na pw gi` ayth thn ypoqesh, to exw pei kai to exw epanalabei polles fores.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla yparxei kai allh ypoqesh. Ta xrysoboyla apokalyptetai oti den lene tipota gia thn Bistwnida, parola ayta exei anagnwristei h idiokthsia sth Monh Batopaidioy kai to Dhmosio exei proxwrhsei sthn antallagh toy. Ayto pws to sxoliazei h kybernhsh me bash ta nea stoixeia poy exoyn prokycei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto poy sas eipa nwritera kai bebaiws ayto poy eipa xqes kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exete eikona k. Ypoyrge ws kybernhsh gia to oti o Mhtropoliths Janqhs, o Pantelehmwn eixe aposteilei proeidopoihtikh epistolh ston Areio Pago se sxesh me thn ypoqesh me ta akinhta ths Monhs Batopaidioy oti yparxei skandalo pisw apo ayth thn istoria; Mia epistolh symfwna me thn apokalych ths efhmeridas ``TA NEA'' poy eixe stalei to 2003, prin apo th dikh sas kybernhsh. Exei h kybernhsh, loipon, eikona gia oles aytes tis kinhseis poy eixan ginei, oytws wste na mhn yparjei ayth h paraplanhsh apo thn pleyra, telos pantwn, twn armodiwn dikastikwn Arxwn h oswn exoyn emplakei sthn ypoqesh ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ean koinopoihqhke epistolh pros ton Proedro toy Areioy Pagoy kai ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. An oi dikastikes Arxes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den gnwrizw na exei steilei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow, na to kanw pio sygkekrimeno to erwthma, ean oi dikastikes Arxes exoyn enhmerwsei to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys h ta melh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy ta opoia exoyn emplakei sthn ypoqesh ayth kai an jerame gia ayth thn epistolh poy eixe steilei o k. Pantelehmwn, o opoios moy fainetai oti xqes milhse gia katapathtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sth Dikaiosynh. Ston Proedro toy Areioy Pagoy moy eipate oti exei paei ayth h epistolh;

PALAIOLOGOS: An qymamai kala, ston k. Lino.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ston prwhn eisaggelea tote. Qa prepei na apeyqynqeite ston eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy gia na sas dwsei apanthsh. Pantws, den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia epistolh sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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