Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-09-01

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 1 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 156621557

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1 Septembrioy 2008

Xairete, kalh ebdomada kai kalo mhna.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, opws gnwrizete, anaxwrhse shmera to meshmeri gia tis Bryjelles, prokeimenoy na symmetasxei sthn ektakth Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Gia thn ejelijh ths Synodoy toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy qa enhmerwnontai oi synadelfoi sas kai oi antapokrites oi opoioi briskontai ekei, apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo k. Qeodwro Roysopoylo, o opoios synodeyei ton Prwqypoyrgo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me mia kataxwrhsh sto Fyllo ths Kybernhshs 1443 stis 7/3/2005, o k. Boylgarakhs mazi me th syzygo toy synesthsan mia etairia diaxeirishs akinhtwn, dhladh, agora, pwlhsh, misqwsh oikopedwn kai akinhtwn. H edra brisketai Nayarinoy 6, poy an den kanw laqos, einai kai to politiko grafeio toy k. Boylgarakh. Sas erwtw: Enas Ypoyrgos mporei na einai kai mesiths;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Synepws, den exw kati na sas pw ep` aytoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy, ean moy epitrepete. Epeidh yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia kai sas milaw me sygkekrimena stoixeia, mporoyme na bgaloyme symperasma pleon oti h syzygos toy k. Boylgarakh eneplakh me ayth thn idiothta ths sthn ypoqesh ths monhs Batopedioy;

ANTWNAROS: Na mh bgalete kanena symperasma. Ola ta stoixeia perilambanontai sth synolikh apanthsh poy exei dwsei epi toy qematos o k. Boylgarakhs me grapth anakoinwsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai kati allo qa hqela. Egine gnwsto oti me apofash toy k. Tasoyla, toy Yfypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas, ton Ioylio toy 2008, ejairoyntai apo th strateysh oi monaxoi toy Agioy Oroys. Oysiastika, dhladh, allaje thn apofash h opoia yphrxe apo to 2005 kai h opoia isxye mexri ton Ioynio toy 2008 kai eixe ginei kai me th symfwnh gnwmh ths Ekklhsias, oi monaxoi na strateyontai. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, giati egine ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Eyxaristws, an qelete, kata th diarkeia ths hmeras na enhmerwqw apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo k. Tasoyla, apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, kai na sas dwsw apanthsh. H mporeite, bebaiws, na apeyqynqeite kai h idia h oi synadelfoi sas ston k. Tasoyla, o opoios, opws gnwrizete, apanta eyxaristws stis erwthseis twn dhmosiografwn.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h k. Mpakogiannh, se dhlwsh ths se kyriakatikh efhmerida, sthn ``Kyriakatikh Eleyqerotypia'', tonise pws an enas boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias katachfisei ena nomosxedio, gia paradeigma, apo ekei kai pera, leei, kata th gnwmh ths, o Kwstas Karamanlhs kai h kybernhsh den qa ginoyn omhros kanenos kai prepei na pame se ekloges. H kybernhsh yioqetei tis apoceis toy koryfaioy stelexoys ths;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Oi kanones, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia mas, einai kala gnwstoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy: Fainetai pws apo th diatypwsh ths Ypoyrgoy oti olh h kybernhsh fobatai gia to endexomeno na katachfisei kapoios boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, kybernhtiko nomosxedio. Isxyei oti fobatai h kybernhsh tyxon katachfish kybernhtikoy nomosxedioy;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na sas pw, to eipa. Ayta einai dika sas sxolia, ta opoia den symmerizomai.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh kai o armodios Ypoyrgos epimenoyn oti den qigontai kaqoloy oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi apo ta nea ektakta foroeispraktika metra, alla wstoso thn idia stigmh o k. Alogoskoyfhs den dieykrinizei ti qa ginei me toys xiliades ergazomenoys ston idiwtiko tomea poy ameibontai me deltio paroxhs yphresiwn, to gnwsto mplokaki. Eiste se qesh na to kanete eseis ayto;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs me tis apanthseis toy exei dieykrinisei ola ayta ta qemata.

KAKALHS: Akribws ayto lew, oti den einai jekaqaro. O k. Alogoskoyfhs parepemce sthn efarmogh stis epixeirhseis, oi opoies qa prepei na efarmosoyn thn ergatikh nomoqesia. Ma, an htan na efarmosoyn thn ergatikh nomoqesia, qa to ekanan hdh. Den to kanoyn. Mporeite na antimetwpisete to problhma;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw ston k. Alogoskoyfh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Tatoylhs, me epistolh toy, h opoia dhmosieyqhke se kyriakatikh efhmerida, oysiastika leei, ballei enantion toy periballontos toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai leei oti o Prwqypoyrgos parasyretai. Parasyretai o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio gia ta keimena poy moy anaferate.

KAKALHS: Epishs, ston idio isxyrismo oti den qigontai kaqoloy oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi, mas lete poios qa plhrwsei toys ayjhmenoys foroys kata 20% sth forologia twn aytokinhtwn h me ta kaysima, poy etoimazei h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Se ola ta qemata exei anaferqei o k. Alogoskoyfhs diejodika kai thn hmera poy paroysiase tis forologikes ryqmiseis kai se synenteyjeis tis opoies exei paraxwrhsei se diafora Mesa Enhmerwshs. Den exete para na anatrejete se ayta.

KAKALHS: Exw anatrejei kai exw shmeiwsei ta ejhs apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh: Asfalws, den xreiazontai ektakta metra. Epishs, o idios, oyte zhteitai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph oyte sxediazetai apo thn kybernhsh opoiasdhpote morfhs metro. Ayto poy proexei einai h pisth thrhsh toy Proypologismoy. Epishs, o idios o Ypoyrgos, o k. Alogoskoyfhs: H ellhnikh oikonomia einai qwrakismenh apenanti sth dieqnh krish. Oi epiptwseis apo th dieqnh krish einai periorismenes. Giati na ton paroyme sta sobara ton k. Alogoskoyfh me ayta poy leei twra;

ANTWNAROS: Exete thn ajiozhleyth, merikes fores, ikanothta - -ofeilw na omologhsw- - na apomonwnete fraseis apo megales synenteyjeis, dhmioyrgwntas entypwseis diaforetikes apo aytes poy einai h oysia twn synenteyjewn. Den mporw, loipon, na sas parakoloyqhsw se ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh den blepw na apantate sta oikonomika qemata kai parapempete sth dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh, o k. Alogoskoyfhs afhse anapanthto omws kati se sxesh me to diko toy politiko mellon. Ontws yparxei to endexomeno o k. Alogoskoyfhs meta apo ton Ianoyario toy 2009, kalws na mas erqei, otan mas erqei, na antikatastaqei apo thn k. Mpakogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, leitoyrgei me apotelesmatikothta apo ton perasmeno Septembrio, opote oi Ellhnes polites gia deyterh fora se ligotero apo 4 xronia, edwsan thn entolh sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ston Kwsta Karamanlh na kybernhsei th xwra. Den blepw gia poio logo anafereste se diafora mellontika senaria se xronoys makrinoys oi opoioi asfalws qa erqoyn. Den empodizei ayto se tipota thn kybernhsh na kanei kala th doyleia ths.

NASOPOYLOS: Rwthse sygkekrimena, omws, o synadelfos. Eipe an h k. Mpakogiannh qa antikatasthsei ton k. Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhka sto xrono. Einai san na syzhtame gia to an qa anateilei ayrio o hlios. Opws qa anateilei ayrio o hlios, etsi qa erqei kai o mhnas Ianoyarios. Ayto hqela na pw kai tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Qa diabasate, xqes, thn kataxwrhsh twn Ellhnikwn Petrelaiwn, symfwna me thn opoia h timh diylisthrioy ths benzinhs, perilambanomenoy kai toy kostoys prwths ylhs, apotelei to 40% me 45% ths telikhs timhs toy katanalwth, enw oi foroi poy eisprattei to kratos anerxontai se 45% me 50%. An h kybernhsh qelei na bohqhsei toys oikonomika asqenesteroys kai toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, giati den meiwnei to meridio twn forwn poy pairnei apo ta kaysima. Antiqeta sxediazei nea ayjhsh twn kaysimwn.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn diafora stoixeia, ta opoia kalo einai kaneis na ta dieykrinizei. Prwton, sthn Ellada exoyme th xamhloterh timh kaysimwn, opws eipa...

KAKALHS: Kai toys xamhloteroys misqoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den me afhnete na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy. An qelete na milhsete monos sas, mporeite na to kanete. Loipon, sthn Ellada exoyme th xamhloterh timh kaysimwn stis 15 xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Kai opws jerete, exoyme apo tis xamhloteres forologikes epibarynseis, oson afora to foro twn kaysimwn, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai gi` ayto to logo prin apo merika xronia, eixe ypoxrewqei h xwra mas na anaprosarmosei th forologia sta kaysima. Ayth h prosarmogh oloklhrwnetai. Den exoyme dynatothta na meiwsoyme to foro sta kaysima opws eykola, alla oxi me sebasmo sthn pragmatikothta isxyrizontai orismenoi.

KAKALHS: Amfisbhteite ta stoixeia twn ELPE, twn Ellhnikwn Diylisthriwn; Ta amfisbhteite;

ANTWNAROS: Ti sas eipa;

KAKALHS: Ton teleytaio ypainigmo den katalaba. Poy apeyqynetai;

ANTWNAROS: Se aytoys oi opoioi lene na meiwqoyn oi foroi.

KAKALHS: Ayto einai paralogo; To kratos exei faei to 50% twn forwn...

ANTWNAROS: Sas aphnthsa profanws, alla den antilambaneste ayto to opoio lew. Yparxei sygkekrimeno plafon, ej oswn gnwrizw, forologias twn kaysimwn.

KAKALHS: To opoio poio einai;

ANTWNAROS: Katw apo to opoio plafon den mporei na pesei mia xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KAKALHS: Apagoreyei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh katw apo 50% to foro;

ANTWNAROS: Qymaste, opws sas eipa, oti prin apo liga xronia h xwra mas, h Ellada eixe ypoxrewqei - -nomizw oti osoi parakoloyqoyn to briefing to gnwrizoyn ayto to pragma- - na anaprosarmosei th forologia, ayto poy leme ton eidiko foro sta kaysima, dioti htan xamhloteros apo ayto poy epetrepe h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. En pash periptwsei, eyxaristws na enhmerwqw kai na sas dwsw sygkekrimena safh stoixeia meta to briefing. Oso gia th sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh poy lete den gnwrizw to akribes periexomeno ths.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Zhtw syggnwmh apo toys synadelfoys. Qa epanelqw sto Batopedio. Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me to symbolaio, to opoio eixe syntaxqei ton Ioylio toy 2007, to symbolaio poy aforoyse th metabibash toy Olympiakoy Akinhtoy sth Monh Batopedioy, h metabibash qa eprepe na exei oloklhrwqei stis 15 Septembrioy toy 2007. Qewreite tyxaio ayto to gegonos;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to sygkekrimeno zhthma, to opoio qetete kat` epanalhch kata th diarkeia toy briefing, qa apanthqoyn, opws exoyme pei apo thn perasmenh ebdomada, dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy. Einai antikeimeno erwthshs sta plaisia ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Synepws, qa apanthqei me to synhqh tropo.

FANIDHS: Na epanelqw kai egw sto erwthma poy sas eixa qesei prin. Eipate oti oi kanones toys opoioys leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia mas einai gnwstoi. Einai safes oti einai gnwstoi. Omws, den mas dieykrinisate ti qa ginei ean katachfisei enas boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias ena nomosxedio. Giati den einai ypoxrewmenos o Prwqypoyrgos na paei se ekloges. H k. Mpakogiannh, omws, leei ``pame se ekloges''.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. H apanthsh poy edwsa einai eparkhs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Syggnwmh, ep` aytoy poy rwthse o synadelfos. Exoyme th dhlwsh toy k. Tatoylh oti diafwnei me to Kthmatologio kai exoyme kai th dhlwsh toy k. Manwlh poy leei oti diafwnei me mia seira forologikwn metrwn. Sas apasxolei ayto h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn. Sas to exw pei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh proanhggeile th meiwsh twn forologikwn syntelestwn gia misqwtoys kai syntajioyxoys apo to 2010 mexri to 2014, alla den eipe tipota gia th mh timariqmopoihsh ths forologikhs klimakas, poy qa exei san apotelesma na plhrwnoyn perissotera gia foroys. Qelete na to dieykrinisete;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, jexnate oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy apo to 2004 mexri fetos anaprosarmose...

KAKALHS: Den tis exei timariqmopoihsei.

ANTWNAROS: ... to aforologhto kata 20%, apo tis 10.000 stis 12.000 eyrw.

KAKALHS: Omws, den exei kanei tipota gia th forologikh klimaka. Apo to 2004 exei parameinei sta idia. H forologikh klimaka den exei timariqmopoihqei.

ANTWNAROS: Wfeloyntai, loipon, me bash ta stoixeia poy molis sas edwsa, oi xamhlomisqoi kai oi xamhlosyntajioyxoi. Ekeinoi, dhladh, poy to exoyn perissotero anagkh.

KAKALHS: Ta stoixeia lene oti oi misqwtoi poy katebalan to 2004 to 44% twn synolikwn forwn, to 2007 katebalan to 50% kai oi ergodotes apo to 43% katebhkan sto 36%. To amfisbhteite;

ANTWNAROS: Enas logos, loipon, parapanw wste ekeinoi oi opoioi den einai synepeis stis forologikes toys ypoxrewseis na klhqoyn twra na einai synepesteroi.

KAKALHS: Toys misqwtoys ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, ennow toys alloys. Ekeino to opoio, loipon, nomizw oti mia koinwnia den mporei na dexqei - - kai ayto einai koinwnikh adikia- - einai orismenoi na forodiafeygoyn h na apofeygoyn thn plhrwmh forwn, opws exoyn ypoxrewsh, sto metro twn eisodhmatwn toys, enw alloi polites, h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn, einai apolytws synepeis. Se ayth akribws thn kateyqynsh katateinoyn oi nees prwtoboylies, oi symplhrwmatikes prwtoboylies tis opoies anaptyssei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

KAKALHS: H epanafora twn tekmhriwn kai o kefalikos foros epi dikaiwn kai adikwn stoys eleyqeroys epaggelmaties den einai omologia apotyxias oti oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi adynatoyn na syllaboyn toys forofygades;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti qemata poy sxetizontai me thn anamorfwsh toy hdh yparxontos kaqestwtos tekmhriwn diabiwshs qa syzhthqoyn ekei poy prepei na syzhthqoyn, sto Eqniko Symboylio gia thn antimetwpish ths forodiafyghs. Antikeimeno einai panta na klhqoyn na antapokriqoyn stis ypoxrewseis toys ekeinoi oi opoioi, eis baros toy koinwnikoy synoloy, den antapokrinontai se aytes tis ypoxrewseis poy exoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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