Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-06-11

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 11 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 142159238

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BRIEFING(110608)

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 11 Ioynioy 2008

Xairete.

Me sygxwreite gia thn kaqysterhsh, h opoia ofeiletai sth diarkeia ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, opoy syzhthqhkan qemata Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. O k. Xatzhgakhs exei hdh kanei dhlwseis ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy. Ta qemata poy syzhthqhkan einai: To symfwno symbiwshs, gia to opoio exoyme milhsei analytika kai oi diadikasies poy aploysteyoyn to grafeiokratiko kommati ths ypoqeshs ``yioqesia'', xwris bebaiws se kamia periptwsh na meiwnoyn thn koinwnikh diastash toy qematos, dhladh thn poiotikh diastash poy prepei na yparxei apo th doyleia twn koinwnikwn leitoyrgwn, ews otoy ftasoyn sto shmeio na synainesoyn gia thn yioqesia enos paidioy apo mia oikogeneia.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw, kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizontas tis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, ean h kybernhsh prooptika, sto mellon, meleta to endexomeno na dei thn epektash mias morfhs symfwnoy symbiwshs kai sta omofylofila zeygaria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme apanthsei sta erwthmata ayta kai alles fores. Den exw tipota perissotero.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jerw oti den sxoliazete dhmoskophseis, omws h dhmoskophsh, xqes, ths Public Issue, edeije kai ptwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai oti oi polites empisteyontai perissotero to PASOK gia thn akribeia, gia thn antimetwpish ths akribeias. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Jekinwntas thn erwthsh sas me to oti den sxoliazw, den perimenete sxolio, eimai bebaios.

ARMENHS: Mia ejairesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw ejairesh. Qa epanalabw aplws ayto poy lew kaqe fora: Emeis tis dhmoskophseis den tis afhnoyme na perasoyn etsi. Tis epejergazomaste. Ajiologoyme katarxas kai ajiopoioyme sthn politikh mas ta stoixeia ta opoia, allwste, apodeiknyoyn to pws skeftetai o kosmos sth sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh. Ofeileis, loipon, na ta synypologizeis kai na synektimas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidate xqes to paixnidi ths Eqnikhs Ellados;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, alla to eida oxi ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. To eida me ton gio moy, ws pateras kai ws filaqlos ths Eqnikhs Omadas. Ara, den mporw na kanw kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Pws sas fanhke; Oxi ws ekproswpos, ws filaqlos me ton gio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kanw sxolio. Qelw na eyxhqw na einai h eqnikh mas omada, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, antajia twn prosdokiwn toy kosmoy. Akomh kai an, omws, yparxoyn httes, ayta einai mesa sth zwh. To sigoyro einai oti prokeitai gia mia eqnikh omada, enan proponhth poy mas exoyn kanei na niwsoyme yperhfanoi. Kai synexizoyn na mas kanoyn na niwqoyme yperhfanoi akomh kai an yphrje mia htta sthn poreia. Sth zwh exei poly megalh shmasia h symmetoxh. Sth zwh exei poly megalh shmasia to gegonos oti eimaste mia apo tis kalyteres omades ths Eyrwphs. Kata synepeia, na toys eyxhqoyme na synexisoyn me dynamh, me agaph se ayto poy kanoyn, me sebasmo pros toys Ellhnes polites, alla kai oloi emeis na sebastoyme th dikh toys dyskolh doyleia.

KAKALHS: Ektos apo thn htta ths eqnikhs, xqes eixame kai mia htta gia ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn, oi opoioi...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den tis sygkrinete fantazomai.

KAKALHS: ... oi opoioi odhgoyntai na einai ergazomenoi, xwris dikaiwmata, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Mporeite na mas sxoliasete h mallon na mas peite to nohma ths apoxhs poy krathse h kybernhsh sthn apofash twn Ypoyrgwn Apasxolhshs, me thn opoia epekteinetai h ergasimh ebdomadas se 65 wres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete to qema, to exoyme janasyzhthsei, exei kanei kai anakoinwsh to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs. Qelw aplws na gnwrizete epipleon oti yphrxan toylaxiston oktw xwres  palaiotera htan deka xwres- oi opoies symfwnoysan sthn idia grammh. Exoyn meinei pente xwres, eimaste dhladh metajy twn pente, pia, xwrwn poy einai sth grammh ayth thn opoia akoloyqhsame kai xqes: Oti den dexomaste allages oi opoies na einai eis baros twn ergazomenwn, eite ergasiaka sto xrono toys, eite se alles, sthn asfaleia toy kosmoy ths ergasias. Menoyme staqeroi se ayth thn apoch. Den epitrepoyme na proxwrhsei ayto to opoio epiqymoyn polles alles xwres, alla pantws emeis den to dexomaste. Ara, loipon, akoma kai an exoyme diaforetikes apoceis apo alles xwres, gnwrizete poia einai h apoch ths Ellados, kai h apoch tessarwn akomh xwrwn -dhladh synolika pente - poy syntassontai me tis dikes mas.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla otan erqei san odhgia meta, h kybernhsh qa pei ``oxi, den efarmozw thn eyrwpaikh odhgia'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh mas, sas eipa kai pali oti einai mia qesh h opoia exei anaptyxqei jekaqara kai sta Symboylia kai se dhmosies dhlwseis. Den dexomaste ayth th qesh, diafwnoyme me ayth th qesh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxei apofash. Den yparxei kapoia apofash h opoia qa metatrapei se odhgia gia na mas erqei gia enswmatwsh sto eswteriko dikaio.

GKOYTZANHS: Katachfise h ellhnikh kybernhsh; Rwtw epeidh den to gnwrizw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh, opws kai oi ypoloipes tesseris kybernhseis, dhladh pente xwres, dhlwsan oti den symfwnoyn se ayth th ryqmish. H katachfish den egine  kai qa sas to pw eyqews- dioti yphrje h plhroforia oti isws na htan ligoteres oi xwres oi opoies qa htan proqymes na katachfisoyn, apo tis xwres poy htan proqymes na dhlwsoyn ``en block'' oti den symfwnoyn. Exei shmasia, loipon, se aytes tis periptwseis na mh menei enas h dyo, alla oso perissoteroi ginetai gia na mporeseis sto epomeno bhma na pieseis akoma perissotero. Mhn jexname oti qa mesolabhsei kai mia syzhthsh sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio kai pisteyoyme oti ta pragmata den qa odhghqoyn me ton apaisiodojo tropo ton opoion perigracate sthn erwthsh sas.

KAKALHS: Sthn prajh, h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na mhn efarmosei thn Koinotikh Odhgia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, einai apofasismenh na thrhsei thn politikh thn opoia se oloys toys Ellhnes polites, alla kai stoys Eyrwpaioys etairoys exei dhmosia katasthsei gnwsth.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw an einai stis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy na episkefqei tis seismoplhktes perioxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka prin apo liges hmeres. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qymamai sto Zappeio, stis enhmerwseis poy mas kanate gia toys pyroplhktoys, legate oti osoi speysoyn na paroyn to epidoma twn 3.000 eyrw poy den dikaioyntan qa antimetwpisoyn poinikes kyrwseis. Na ypoqesw oti to idio isxyei kai gia osoys speysoyn twra na paroyn to epidoma, xwris na to dikaioyntai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opwsdhpote qa isxysei to idio. Sas qymizw oti meta apo ekeines tis anakoinwseis, alla kai meta apo mia-dyo syllhceis, th deyterh kiolas mera, poy eixe arxisei na didetai to epidoma, eixame swreia epistrofwn logw laqoys, opws eixe eipwqei tote.

XIWTHS: Exw dyo-treis erwthseis gia diaforetika qemata. Qa prospaqhsw na ta balw se mia seira. Katarxas, se o,ti afora ta ergasiaka, an eimai kala plhroforhmenos, yparxei hdh se isxy mia odhgia apo to 2003. Ara oi ejelijeis se ayto to qema exoyn hdh dromologhqei. H aporia moy, loipon, einai an h antiqesh kapoiwn xwrwn mesa stis opoies eimaste kai emeis exei oysiastiko apotelesma h an aplws katagrafetai mia diafwnia kai sth synexeia h odhgia qa efarmostei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me bash kai ta osa eipa prohgoymenws apantwntas se synadelfo sas, ektimw oti exei oysiastiko apotelesma. Den eimai se qesh na sas kanw peraiterw analysh. Einai ena poly ejeidikeymeno qema, shmantiko bebaia, gia oloys. Alla qa parakaloysa an qelete opoiesdhpote alles dieykriniseis tetoioy eidoys, h k. Petralia me thn opoia exw epikoinwnhsei, einai proqymh na apanthsei sta erwthmata sas leptomerws.

XIWTHS: Gia allo qema: Se o,ti afora th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs syzhthqhke kai to qema ths dhmioyrgias newn Efeteiwn sth xwra; Dioti, ej oswn gnwrizw, yparxoyn shmantikes antidraseis boyleytwn kai topikwn forewn, toylaxiston se dyo periptwseis sto Hrakleio kai to Agrinio, enw h eishghsh toy Areioy Pagoy einai na proxwrhsei h dhmioyrgia toylaxiston tessarwn newn Efeteiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egine syzhthsh mono gia tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy sas anefera. Den egine allh syzhthsh.

XIWTHS: Exete eikona ep` aytoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema, genikws, to gnwrizw, alla den exw kati perissotero.

XIWTHS: Gnwrizete an qa proxwrhsei h dhmioyrgia Efeteiwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Einai ena qema sto opoio qa prepei na sas apanthsei to Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Den eimai se qesh na to gnwrizw se tetoia leptomereia.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite giati h kybernhsh chfise yper ths odhgias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy den anagnwrizei tis anenerges efhmeries, para thn antiqeth apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti entassetai sto qema poy syzhthsame prohgoymenws. Alla epeidh einai ejeidikeymeno, qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw kai na sas dwsw ayrio mia apanthsh.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Proedros Dhmotikhs Epixeirhshs Probolhs kai Epikoinwnias Peiraia Stelios Mpratswlhs, me xqesinh dhlwsh toy sto radiofwno toy ALPHA, oysiastika eipe pws to an qa kleisei h oxi to limani toy Peiraia thn Paraskeyh, ejartatai apo thn kybernhsh, thn opoia malista xarakthrise analghth. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Perimenete na sxoliasw dhlwsh dieyqyntoy emporikoy tmhmatos radiofwnoy;

ZORMPA: Perimenw to sxolio ths kybernhshs sthn kathgoria toy, oti einai analghth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh perimenete na sxoliasw dhlwsh dieyqyntoy emporikoy tmhmatos, katalabainete oti den einai ayth h doyleia moy.

XIWTHS: Eipate kai xqes, mallon anagnwrisate, oti einai mia poly sobarh ypoqesh, h ypoqesh toy k. Mylwna. Par oti katanow oti h ereyna ths Astynomias prepei na diakatexetai apo kapoia mystikothta, yparxoyn omws shmera polles plhrofories ston Typo kai qelw na jerw poia einai h eikona ths kybernhsh gia thn ypoqesh ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero ap ayta poy eipa xqes. Opoies plhrofories krinei skopimo na dwsei h Ellhnikh Astynomia  dioti ayth einai poy xeirizetai to qema - qa tis dwsei. Katalabainoyme oloi oti den einai ena qema to opoio to xeirizetai se politiko epipedo h prepei na to xeirizetai mia organwmenh koinwnia se politiko epipedo. Mporei na yparxei proistamenos ypoyrgos, alla apo kei kai pera leitoyrgoyn oi yphresies ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Kai oi yphresies aytes exoyn thn empeiria, ton tropo na xeiristoyn ena tetoio qema. Kata synepeia, apo th stigmh poy oi yphresies aytes qewroyn oti qa prepei na doqei sto qema h ligoterh dynath probolh, ayto ektimw oti qa prepei na akoloyqhqei apo oloys mas. Pantws apo mena qa akoloyqhqei.

XIWTHS: Den exoyn aposafhnistei kan ta xarakthristika ayths ths ypoqeshs. Dhladh, h koinh gnwmh einai akoma mperdemenh an prokeitai gia mia ypoqesh apagwghs, an prokeitai gia kati allo. Oyte gi ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw kati perissotero. Menw se ayta ta opoia sas eipa, akoygontas - kai qewrwntas oti etsi prepei na ginei - aytoys poy einai armodioi. Kai armodioi einai oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi xeirizontai tetoies ypoqeseis, dhladh, h Ellhnikh Astynomia.

KAKALHS: Na mas ejhghsete giati o k. Alogoskoyfhs parapempei apo to Septembrh ta metra kata ths ftwxeias kai thn efarmogh toy Tameioy kata ths ftwxeias. Ypologizei h kybernhsh oti to Septembrio qa exei ligoteroys dikaioyxoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ypainisseste alla pantote yparxei...

KAKALHS: Lew, oti to problhma ths ftwxeias einai epitaktiko twra kai ta metra qa lhfqoyn to Septembrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn metra ta opoia prepei na lhfqoyn kai den exoyn lhfqei pote sto parelqon. Den yparxei dhladh mia empeiria gia na pei kanenas oti ayth h empeiria einai poy mas odhgei na kanoyme to a, b, g h d. Einai mia prospaqeia h opoia jekinhse, hdh, sthn kybernhsh prokeimenoy na mhn adikhqoyn sympolites mas. Dioti antilambaneste oti ayto to opoio dhmioyrgei problhmata pantote sthn Ellada, einai h dhmosiothta metrwn ta opoia den exoyn synodeytei kai den synodeyontai apo swsth epejergasia. Qymamai poly kala - kai qymaste poly kala - oti h kybernhsh akoyse ta ej amajhs gia thn ypoqesh toy foroy sta petrelaia. Bebaiws htan liga ta qetika dhmosieymata kai liges oi qetikes anafores gia to shmantiko apotelesma poy epetyxe: Dhladh stamathsame kata 30% toylaxiston, gia na mhn pw kai parapanw, to laqremporio kai ayjhsame kata 30% ta esoda ta opoia exei h ellhnikh Politeia apo to petrelaio kinhshs. To opoio shmainei oti mexri ekeinh th stigmh to petrelaio kinhshs xrhsimopoieito dhqen ws petrelaio qermanshs. An den eixe yparjei mia sobarh proetoimasia ths kybernhshs kai me thn prwth anakoinwsh eixe proxwrhsei h efarmogh enos metroy xwris asfalistikes dikleides, antilambaneste oti h idia h xwra qa eixe blaftei alla kai oi idioi oi Ellhnes polites. Qewrw poly shmantiko to gegonos oti to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn epejergazetai ta metra ta opoia qa anakoinwqoyn tote, etsi wste na einai poly sobara doylemena.

KAKALHS: Dekatesseris fores san kybernhsh, exete ejaggeilei ta metra kata ths ftwxeias. To Tameio kata ths ftwxeias. Dekatesseris fores exei ginei h ejaggelia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To diabasa kapoy ws sxolio. Einai entelws anakribes. Exei nomoqethqei, exoyn proxwrhsei ayta ta opoia prepei na ginoyn. Nomizw oti to sxolio mperdeye teleiws diaforetika pragmata. Den eimai se qesh na to qymamai me leptomereies. Thn hmera poy me eixate rwthsei, eixa poly pio freska sto myalo moy ta osa moy eixan eipwqei apo to armodio ypoyrgeio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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