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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 5 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 141074198

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 5 Ioynioy 2008

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``H periballontikh krish einai isws h megalyterh proklhsh poy kaleitai na antimetwpisei h Anqrwpothta. Einai ena problhma yparkto kai piestiko, periploko kai polydiastato, poy qetei se kindyno to mellon ths zwhs ston planhth''. Ayto tonizei, shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos se mhnyma toy gia thn Pagkosmia Hmera toy Periballontos. Kaqe hmera einai shmantikh gia thn prostasia toy periballontos, gia th symperifora olwn mas apenanti sto periballon. H shmerinh hmera, omws, mas dinei thn eykairia na kanoyme orismenes skeceis sxetika me to periballon, na kanoyme enan apologismo kai na doyme to mellon.

O Prwqypoyrgos diatypwnei sto mhnyma toy - -toy opoioy molis sas diabasa thn prwth paragrafo- - orismenes skeceis sxetika me to periballon kai synocizei thn politikh poy efarmozei h xwra mas se qemata periballontos.

Kai synexizei o Prwqypoyrgos: ``Shmera, akomh kai oi pleon dyspistes fwnes symfwnoyn pleon sthn anagkh ths analhchs sygkekrimenwn, apotelesmatikwn drasewn gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos. H ypoqesh mas afora oloys: Pagkosmioys kai ypereqnikoys foreis, eqnikes Kybernhseis, Topikh Aytodioikhsh, mh kybernhtikes organwseis, koinwnia twn politwn. H syneidhtopoihsh toy katepeigontos einai dedomenh. Zhtoymeno, pleon, einai h energh antimetwpish''. H Ellada efarmozei mia strathgikh aeiforoy anaptyjhs kai prostasias toy periballontos, poy syntiqetai apo draseis kai politikes gia ton periorismo twn ekpompwn aeriwn, qermokhpioy, thn entajh ths prasinhs energeias sto isozygio ths xwras, thn yioqethsh sygxronwn antilhcewn gia th xwrotajia, thn orqologikh diaxeirish twn ydatinwn porwn, thn anakyklwsh kai th diaxeirish twn aporrimmatwn kai twn apoblhtwn.

H xwra sebetai apolytws tis metrhsimes desmeyseis poy exei analabei ws kratos melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai sto plaisio ths Synqhkhs toy Kyoto.

Se ayth th megalh prospaqeia gia th rizikh allagh nootropiwn kai praktikwn poy den antapokrinontai stis apaithseis twn kairwn, oi energoi polites mas deixnoyn to dromo. Oi apaithseis twn politwn, h emprakth apodeijh oti oi Ellhnides kai oi Ellhnes einai apofasismenoi na drasoyn energa gia thn prostasia toy fysikoy periballontos mesa sto opoio zoyme oloi, einai shmantikh phgh aisiodojias. Me thn pepoiqhsh oti h syneidhtopoihsh ths anagkhs gia drash hdh diamorfwnei ena neo politismo, poy antilambanetai to periballon kai thn anaptyjh ws paideia eggenws allhlosymplhrwmatika, proxwrame mprosta. Agwnizomaste gia ena biwsimo periballon, gi` ayth th genia kai tis epomenes.

Qa sas kanw mia anakoinwsh: O Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos synantatai shmera, sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn Dikaiosynhs kai Eswterikwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy pragmatopoieitai sto Loyjemboyrgo, me ton Antiproedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Zak Mparo, poy einai armodios gia zhthmata dikaiosynhs, eleyqerias kai asfaleias. Ta qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn kata th synanthsh einai kyriws ta ejhs:

Prwton, h symbolh ths Elladas sth diamorfwsh eyrwpaikoy Symfwnoy, sto plaisio twn prwtoboyliwn ths gallikhs Proedrias, me antikeimeno thn eniaia antimetwpish apo ta krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs olwn twn qematwn ths metanasteytikhs politikhs, opws einai, fer` eipein, h nomimh kai h paranomh metanasteysh, h koinwnikh entajh twn metanastwn, o elegxos twn synorwn, qemata asyloy, qemata epanesdoxhs, h synergasia me trites xwres kai alla.

Deyteron, h energos symprajh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sto pagkosmio forum gia th metanasteysh kai thn anaptyjh, th diorganwsh toy opoioy exei analabei h Ellada kai to opoio qa pragmatopoihqei sthn Aqhna, to fqinopwro toy 2009.

Triton, h xrhmatodothsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ths idryshs sthn Ellada kai sygkekrimena ston Peiraia, Perifereiakoy Kentroy se synergasia me thn Frontex gia th diaxeirish twn ejwterikwn synorwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai twn xersaiwn kai twn qalassinwn sthn perioxh ths N.A. Mesogeioy.

Tetarton, h ejasfalish koinotikwn porwn gia thn idrysh apo thn Ellada newn Kentrwn Ypodoxhs kai Filojenias Metanastwn kai thn anabaqmish yparxontwn, kaqws kai gia th dhmioyrgia Kentrwn Filojenias oswn zhtoyn asylo sth xwra mas.

Sas ypenqymizw oti kai perysi, alla kai apo tis arxes tis fetinhs xronias exoyme enan synexws ayjanomeno ariqmo politwn allwn xwrwn, oi opoioi prospaqoyn na eiselqoyn paranoma sth xwra mas. Kai sas ypenqymizw akomh oti toys teleytaioys mhnes, to teleytaio - -qa elega- - 10mhno exei oloklhrwqei h kataskeyh diaforwn tetoiwn Kentrwn Ypodoxhs kai Filojenias Metanastwn, etsi wste na ginontai oi aithseis gia asylo, antikeimeno epejergasias se oso to dynaton kalyteres synqhkes gia osoys prospaqoyn na eiselqoyn paranoma sth xwra.

To pempto shmeio, einai h xrhmatodothsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ths idryshs Eqnikoy Kentroy Analyshs Kindynoy kai Eyrwpaikoy Kentroy Ekpaideyshs Asfaleias gia thn antimetwpish ths paranomhs metanasteyshs.

Sas ypenqymizw oti molis xqes, meta apo synergasia poy eixe o Ypoyrgos k. Paylopoylos me ton Prwqypoyrgo, anaferqhke o k. Paylopoylos se ayto to qema, legontas oti einai synexhs h prospaqeia ths xwras mas pros thn kateyqynsh ths organwshs mias koinhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs se ola ayta ta qemata. H xwra mas - -to ypenqymizw- - exei poly megala synora, qalassia synora megalytera apo opoiadhpote allh xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai brisketai se mia gewgrafikh qesh, thn opoia polloi qeloyn na ekmetalleytoyn, prokeimenoy na fqasoyn se emas edw sthn Ellada kai na metaboyn sth synexeia apo edw se alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. H xwra mas antapokrinetai sthn ypoxrewsh poy exei kaqe xwra ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na elegxei oloys osoi prospaqoyn me mh nomima mesa, gia dikoys toys logoys, na egkatastaqoyn ston eyrwpaiko xwro.

Qa hqela, epishs, apantwntas se mia sxetikh erwthsh poy egine xqes ston k. Roysopoylo - -apo ton k. Kakalh, an den me apata h mnhmh moy- - na sas dwsw ta stoixeia ta opoia sas eixe proanaggeilei o k. Roysopoylos, sxetika me to ergo kataskeyhs xwroy ygeionomikhs tafhs aporrimmatwn (XYTA) sthn Leykimmh ths Kerkyras. Kata toy sygkekrimenoy ergoy eixan katateqei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, opws me enhmerwse to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, aithsh akyrwshs kai aithsh anastolhs. Meta thn ekdikash ths aithshs anastolhs ekdoqhke, to Febroyario toy 2008, h yp` ariqmon 73/2008 apofash toy StE, h opoia aporriptei thn parapanw anaferomenh aithsh anastolhs. Synepws, yparxei sygkekrimenh apofash toy StE. Ws ek toytoy, den yparxei apofash toy StE, h opoia na diatassei thn anastolh twn ergasiwn toy ergolaboy. Mporei o ergolabos, symfwna me thn keimenh nomoqesia, na egkatastaqei kai na jekinhsei tis ergasies toy. H aithsh akyrwshs, katopin anabolhs, ekdikazetai stis 15 Oktwbrioy toy 2008.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Pws nomimopoieitai h kybernhsh na milaei gia prostasia toy periballontos, otan einai h kybernhsh h opoia barynetai me th megalyterh oikologikh katastrofh, tis persines pyrkagies, poly perissotero poy den exei parei kanena metra gia th fetinh antipyrikh periodo;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h kybernhsh den einai ekeinh h opoia ferei thn eyqynh, opws eseis ths katalogizete, gia tis persines katastrofikes pyrkagies.

KAKALHS: Asymmetres apeiles.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Exoyme anaferqei sygkekrimena se ayto to qema. Ta stoixeia einai gnwsta se oloys. Einai gnwsto, epishs, oti h kybernhsh me thn eyaisqhsia poy th diakrinei, prosetreje sth sthrijh, sth bohqeia, sthn apalynsh twn dysarestwn synepeiwn gia oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi eginan qymata ths sygkekrimenhs fysikhs katastrofhs. Den qa anaferqw, ayth th stigmh, se metra ta opoia exoyn lhfqei, einai gnwsta. Ennow fysika kai ta metra ths ameshs bohqeias kai ta metra ta opoia exoyn lhfqei sth diarkeia twn mhnwn poy exoyn perasei apo tote mexri poly prosfata. Sas ypenqymizw oti me prwtoboylia toy Ypoyrgeioy Xwrotajias, Dhmosiwn Ergwn kai Periballontos, dinetai kai mia prokatabolh 10.000 eyrw enanti toy posoy poy dikaioyntai osoi exoyn ypostei tetoia blabh, prokeimenoy na anoikodomhsoyn h na episkeyasoyn tis oikeies toys h alla akinhta poy eixan. Ejalloy, h kybernhsh ekane, me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys, oles tis epafes kai tis energeies poy xreiazontan, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqoyn kai symplhrwmatika posa, symplhrwmatikoi poroi apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Kai molis shmera, to Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio oloklhrwse thn egkrish 89,8 ekat. eyrw apo to Tameio Allhleggyhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, ena poso poy einai asynhqista ychlo sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, gia thn apokatastash twn katastrofikwn zhmiwn apo tis pyrkagies sthn Ellada. Prokeitai gia ellhniko aithma, to opoio ypoblhqhke apo thn kybernhsh - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - egkaira, htan texnika kai nomika artio kai eixe ws apotelesma th diaqesh ths shmantikhs ayths oikonomikhs bohqeias se xrono rekor.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw hqela na rwthsw se kapoio allo zhthma. Exei dhmioyrghqei kai kallierghqei h prosdokia sthn koinh gnwmh, me aformh kai to qema ths akribeias, oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa diekdikhsei sto plaisio toy Symboylioy Koryfhs, stis 19 kai 20 Ioynioy, xrhmatodothsh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia to Tameio kata ths ftwxeias, prokeimenoy na mh xreiastei na dapanhsei h idia h kybernhsh apo ton kratiko Proypologismo to poso twn dyo dis eyrw. Alhqeyei ayth h prosdokia;

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynate, an den kanw laqos, akribws thn idia erwthsh xqes ston k. Roysopoylo. H apanthsh poy sas edwse, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos, anaferomenos sto sygkekrimeno qema ejakoloyqei na isxyei kai shmera.

PALAIOLOGOS: Isxyoyn oi prosdokies omws...

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw poios dhmioyrgei prosdokies.

PALAIOLOGOS: An mporei na perimenei h koinh gnwmh.

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti to Eqniko Tameio Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, to ETAKS, einai kati to opoio ofeiletai se prwtoboylia ths idias ths kybernhshs. Problepetai xrhmatodothsh me poso poy jekina apo ta 500 ek. eyrw kai fqanei, stadiaka, sta epomena xronia, mexri ta 2 dis eyrw. To tameio ayto qa xrhmatodotei me bash sygkekrimena antikeimenika krithria, oloklhrwmena programmata, stoxeymenhs eisodhmatikhs enisxyshs se osoys sympolites mas exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Qa hqela symplhrwmatika na pw, epeidh eipwqhkan kai grafthkan diafora oti antiqeta me ayta ta opoia anaferontai se merida toy Typoy kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai o armodios Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Roysopoylos kai o ypofainomenos anaferqhkame leptomereiaka sth sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia, h opoia akribws epeidh einai mia poly shmantikh prwtoboylia exei mia xronikh diadromh. Kai anaferomai sth xarajh, to sxediasmo, th nomoqetikh ths oloklhrwsh, h opoia egine me th dhmosieysh - -ean qymamai kala- - ton Ianoyario efetos, toy sxetikoy nomoy sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhshs kai bebaiws th qesh ths se efarmogh. Eixa pei stis 7 Dekembrioy 2007, edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, thn epomenh dhladh ths kataqeshs toy nomosxedioy apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh sth Boylh, oti stoxos toy Eqnikoy Tameioy Koinwnikhs Synoxhs einai h eisodhmatikh enisxysh twn ftwxwn noikokyriwn me stoxeymenes draseis. Oi stoxeymenes draseis einai to kleidi gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy problhmatos. To tameio xrhmatodotei oloklhrwmena programmata gia thn eisodhmatikh enisxysh kathgoriwn dikaioyxwn, me bash sygkekrimena antikeimenika krithria, an einai dhladh anergoi, xamhlosyntajioyxoi, h an prokeitai gia monogoneikes oikogeneies. Kai eixa pei oti sto plaisio ayto, to tameio xrhmatodoteitai me posa poy qa fqasoyn ta epomena xronia, opws sas eipa, stadiaka, ta 2 dis eyrw. Synepws, ayth einai h xronikh diadromh ths sygkekrimenhs prwtoboylias thn opoia exei labei h idia h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei ena problhma to opoio yfistatai. Eidallws, den qa eixe lhfqei h sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia. Den yparxei amfibolia oti se paneyrwpaiko epipedo to teleytaio diasthma gia diaforoys logoys, stoys opoioys exoyme anaferqei diejodika - -anaferw dyo apo aytoys- - prwton, h poly megalh ayjhsh ths timhs toy petrelaioy kai deyteron - -kai den prepei kaneis ayto na to lhsmonei- - h epishs poly megalh ayjhsh twn dieqnwn timwn diaforwn trofimwn h prwtwn ylwn apo tis opoies paragontai trofima, exei epibarynqei h katastash. Kai ayto einai kati, to opoio opws oloi sas gnwrizete, dioti eimai bebaios oti parakoloyqeite kai ta dieqnh Mesa Enhmerwshs, einai antikeimeno syzhthshs kai pera apo ta synora ths xwras mas. Kai malista, entonwn syzhthsewn. Aytes tis hmeres, ginetai sth Rwmh syzhthsh se epipedo malista poly ychlo. Thn Ellada ekproswphse o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Alejandros Kontos. Egine, loipon, sth Rwmh, opoy brisketai h edra toy FAO, toy dieqnoys organismoy poy parakoloyqei ta trofima kai th gewrgia, syzhthsh gi` ayto to qema. Kai eimai bebaios oti opws egine kai stis arxes ayths ths ebdomadas syzhthsh sxetikh sto EKOFIN, opoy metesxe o k. Alogoskoyfhs, qa ginei kai h sxetikh syzhthsh kai sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy ginetai sto telos toy mhnos 19 me 20 Ioynioy stis Bryjelles.

PALAIOLOGOS: Moy epitrepete; Ola ayta poy eipate einai apolytws katanohta, alla to diko moy to erwthma einai stoxeymeno qa elega kai egw, mia poy einai kai ayth h ekfrash toy syrmoy, an moy epitrepete. Epeidh, eipate poly swsta oti yparxei prwtoboylia gia ta 2 dis stadiaka entos tetraetias. Gia efetos toylaxiston. Gia to 2008, wstoso, h bash, ta xrhmata ta opoia exoyn desmeyqei einai molis 100 ek. eyrw. Mexri ta 500 einai alla 400 ek. eyrw. Ayta, ypotiqetai symfwna me tis plhrofories qa proelqoyn eite apo eidikoys logariasmoys Ypoyrgeiwn eite apo ton kratiko Proypologismo, eite apo poy; To erwthma moy, omws, einai stoxeymeno: Epeidh den yparxoyn ayta ta lefta h an yparxoyn qa prepei apo kapoy na afaireqoyn. Protiqetai o Prwqypoyrgos na diekdikhsei ontws epishma sto prosexes Symboylio Koryfhs thn xrhmatodothsh aytoy toy eidikoy Tameioy Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, prokeimenoy na mporesei na antapejelqei kai o kratikos Proypologismos;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na prokatalabw tis syzhthseis oi opoies qa ginoyn sto plaisio toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Egw sas ekana sygkekrimenh topoqethsh, oson afora sth desmeysh thn opoia me dikh ths prwtoboylia exei analabei h shmerinh kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na apalynei ta problhmata ta opoia yfistantai gia tis xamhloteres eisodhmatikes tajeis, gia toys synanqrwpoys mas ekeinoys sth xwra, oi opoioi antimetwpizoyn kai logw twn sygkekrimenwn ayjhsewn - -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - poy ojynoyn to problhma, prokeimenoy na apalynqoyn oi synepeies aytwn twn problhmatwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den mas leei h kybernhsh kai en prokeimenw o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs, apo poy qa breqoyn ta xrhmata, apo poy qa prokycoyn. Ayth einai h aporia moy.

ANTWNAROS: Den xreiazetai na thn exete thn aporia, dioti h shmerinh kybernhsh otan analambanei prwtoboylies, otan analambanei desmeyseis, tis efarmozei sto akeraio.

KAKALHS: Ston proypologismo, omws, einai grammena 100 ekatommyria. Ayta yparxoyn pros to paron. Mexri ta 500 ekatommyria poy lete, yparxoyn alla 400. Ayta, otan den lete poy einai, einai logia toy aera ta ypoloipa. Poy qa ta breite;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws sas eipa, exei apodeijei sthn prajh pws oti exei pei, to efarmozei sto akeraio.

KAKALHS: Mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh: Prokeitai gia ejaggelies stis eisodhmatika asqenesteres tajeis; Den efarmozei tipote.

ANTWNAROS: Ola exoyn efarmostei.

KAKALHS: Ejairetika. Otan prokeitai na dwsei forologika kinhtra stoys epixeirhmaties amesws ta efarmozei. Ayto einai gnwsto.

ANTWNAROS: Oses entypwseis kai an prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete, den qa to kataferete. Oles oi ejaggelies ths kybernhshs exoyn ginei prajh. Kai sthn oysia kai entos twn xronikwn plaisiwn, ta opoia h idia h kybernhsh exei qesei.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Prepei na parembei eisaggeleas h h Astynomia gia na ejomalynqei h katastash sta panepisthmia, opws lene polla stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti mikres meiochfies - -eixa pei prin apo liges hmeres apeiroelaxistes meiochfies kai to epanalambanw gia na mhn isxyristei kaneis oti allazw th fraseologia thn opoia exw xrhsimopoihsei- - den einai se qesh kai ayto to apodeiknyei kaqe hmera h prajh kai sta panepisthmia, aytes oi meiochfies, loipon, den einai se qesh na anatrecoyn ayto poy qelei h pleiochfia: Thn omalh leitoyrgia twn panepisthmiwn. Thn epikrathsh ths eleyqerias kai ths dhmokratias sta panepisthmia. Thn efarmogh ths arxhs ths kaqolikhs chfoforias. Sas eipame kai prin apo liges hmeres oti sta 15 nomizw, exoyn isws ginei 16 sto metajy, alla sta 15 qa meinw, apo ta 17 Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata, opoy htan na efarmostei h arxh ths kaqolikhs chfoforias, h arxh ayth efarmosthke. Sthn prajh egine apodekth apo thn pleiochfia twn foithtwn kai fysika kai toy akadhmaikoy, toy didaktikoy proswpikoy. Kai eimai bebaios oti qa ginei dekth kai qa efarmostei kai sta ypoloipa idrymata. Tetoies praktikes, san ki` aytes poy eidame xqes, sto Panepisthmio Makedonias, antibainoyn kaqe ennoia eleyqerias, dhmokratias kai politismoy. Oi ennoies aytes einai symfytes me th leitoyrgia twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn. Xarakthrizoyn, epishs, th symperifora ths syntriptikhs pleiochfias oswn foitoyn ekei, alla kai oswn exoyn analabei to didaktiko ergo sta panepisthmia. Emeis, tetoies energeies, tis katadikazoyme aperifrasta kai nomizw - -opws eipa kai prin apo liges hmeres- - einai kaqhkon kaqe dhmokratika skeptomenoy polith na katadikasei ejisoy jekaqara, xwris nai men  alla, tetoies energeies. Aytes oi energeies exoyn ena stoxo. Na meiwsoyn kai na blacoyn ta Dhmosia Ekpaideytika Idrymata.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrwseis gia toys katalhcies qa yparxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai qema poy afora th Dikaiosynh. Den krinw egw th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

KAKALHS: Blaptoyn ta Dhmosia Panepisthmia tetoies energeies, opws eipate prohgoymenws kai den blaptei ta Dhmosia Panepisthmia h epibolh twn idiwtikwn panepisthmiwn poy prowqei h kybernhsh, kontra malista sto Syntagma kai den blaptei ta Dhmosia Panepisthmia o ekbiasmos poy kanei o Ypoyrgos Paideias h symmorfwneste h den exei xrhmatodothsh; Aytes oi energeies ths kybernhshs den einai epizhmies gia ta Dhmosia Panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Kaneis de milhse gia idiwtika panepisthmia. Ejakoloyqeite na xrhsimopoieite enan oro, ton opoio kaneis den xrhsimopoiei kai einai kai adokimos. H kybernhsh eishgeitai th dhmioyrgia mh kratikwn mh kerdoskopikwn panepisthmiwn. Kai qewrei oti me ayto ton tropo employtizetai h parexomenh ekpaideysh, anwtath ekpaideysh sth xwra kai m` ayto ton tropo oloi apokomizoyn ofelh.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: O k. Sarkozi qa exei mazi toy stis aposkeyes toy erxomenos sthn Aqhna kai kapoia ejoplistika gia pwlhsh h kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipame kai xqes, antikeimeno twn synomiliwn poy qa exei ayrio o Proedros ths Gallikhs Dhmokratias k. Nikola Sarkozi me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh, qa einai dimerh qemata, perifereiaka qemata (gnwrizete oti yparxei h eyrwmesogeiakh synergasia) kai fysika olo to plegma twn eyrwpaikwn qematwn. Sas ypenqymizw me ayth thn eykairia oti h Gallia analambanei sto deytero hmisy ths fetinhs xronias thn Proedria ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Gia perissoteres leptomereies, asfalws, qa enhmerwqeite ayrio apo toys dyo politikoys hgetes me tis dhlwseis poy qa kanoyn meta thn oloklhrwsh twn synomiliwn toys pros toys ekproswpoys twn Meswn Enhmerwshs.

TSIOYFOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths Paideias. Sthn prwth erwthsh toy synadelfoy gia to an h kybernhsh qa zhthsei thn parembash eisaggelea sta panepisthmia, prokeimenoy na stamathsei ayto to pragma, ayth h katastash, den dwsate apanthsh. Amesws meta omws, otan erwthqhkate gia to an qa yparjoyn kyrwseis, eipate oti ayto einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Syndyazontas kai tis dyo apanthseis katalabainw oti kati qa ginei. Pws qa parembei h Dikaiosynh an den ginei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Na mhn katalabainete kati tetoio. Einai dyo diaforetikes erwthseis stis opoies edwsa dyo diaforetikes apanthseis.

TSIOYFOS: Ean den yparxoyn syllhceis h an den entopistoyn ta atoma pws qa kanei to ergo ths h Dikaiosynh;

ANTWNAROS: Moy fainetai oti kanete mia paranohsh. Den einai h kybernhsh ekeinh h opoia dinei odhgies sth Dikaiosynh. H Dikaiosynh sthn Ellada leitoyrgei anejarthta. Kai h shmerinh kybernhsh, antiqeta me alles kybernhseis sto parelqon, to sebetai ayto apolyta. Shmasia omws, meta to xqesino gegonos, exei to ejhs: Para tis biaiopragies kai thn axarakthristh symperifora mias mikrhs omadas, h opoia prospaqhse me ekbiastiko tropo, ahqh tropo, aparadekto tropo, na epibalei sto eklegmeno organo toy panepisthmioy na parei pisw, na anasteilei, na akyrwsei mia apofash poy den ths arese, h opoia omws einai mia apofash poy proerxetai apo to nomo, ayto den egine. Oloi osoi meteixan sth lhch ayths ths apofashs, staqhkan sto ycos twn peristasewn. Kai oi ligoi poy prospaqhsan na epibaloyn tis apoceis toys den brhkan kamia symparastash apo toys polloys. Ayto loipon einai to shmantiko: Oti oi polloi qeloyn th nomimothta. Oi polloi qeloyn thn efarmogh toy nomoy.

TSIOYFOS: Leei kaneis to antiqeto; Den leei kaneis to antiqeto.

ANTWNAROS: Apomonwnontai. Shmasia, loipon, perissotero apo opoiadhpote allh dikastikh emplokh h otidhpote allo, exei to ejhs: Oti aytoi oi ligoi apomonwnontai. Oi polloi toys bazoyn sth gwnia.

KAKALHS: Ep aytoy. Mias kai areskeste na milate gia meiochfies kai gia polloys, pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti stis ekloges poy eginan mexri twra sta panepisthmia htan mia meiochfia aytoi poy chfisan gia thn anadeijh twn prytanikwn arxwn. Elaxisth meiochfia.

ANTWNAROS: Kanate thn idia erwthsh proxqes kai ston k. Roysopoylo...

KAKALHS: Den hjere na apanthsei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthse. Shmasia exei na exei kaneis to dikaiwma na proserxetai gia na dwsei thn chfo toy. Ean kanei xrhsh toy dikaiwmatos toy, ayto afora ton idio. Alla prepei na exei to dikaiwma na kanei xrhsh toy dikaiwmatos. Ayto einai poy metraei.

ARMENHS: Pisteyete oti aytoi oi ligoi poy lete, brhkan h briskoyn symparastash apo kapoies fwnes apo ton politiko kosmo;

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis apanthseis poy edwsa prin apo merikes hmeres. Den exei allajei tipote sxetika me ayto. Sas eipa oti shmasia exei pws aytoi oi poly ligoi den briskoyn kamia symparastash apo thn pleiochfia. Shmasia exei oti h megalh pleiochfia  to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora  toys bazei sth gwnia. Toys apomonwnei apolyta.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kala ola ayta, alla yparxei kai to erwthma ti qa ginei ean synexisoyn na ferontai etsi. Ayto sas lene oi synadelfoi tosh wra. Egw ayto katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: Kai seis profanws, omws, den antilambaneste ayto poy sas lew egw: Oti sthn prajh apokaqistatai bhma  bhma h nomimh leitoyrgia twn panepisthmiwn. H nomimh leitoyrgia twn panepisthmiwn problepei oles aytes tis diadikasies, oi opoies diadikasies ginontai prajh. Efarmozontai sthn prajh. Prin apo ligo kairo, qa qymaste oti ginotan syzhthsh kata poson qa ginontoysan oi ekloges me thn kaqolikh chfoforia sta panepisthmia. Kai polloi espeydan na poyn oti ayth h ryqmish qa apodeiknyotan keno gramma. Apodeixqhke, loipon, oti den einai keno gramma. Twra milame gia toys tetraeteis proypologismoys. Ean einai swsta ta stoixeia moy  kai nomizw oti einai  17 toylaxiston panepisthmia exoyn ypobalei tetraeteis proypologismoys. Alla ayto den blepw na to katagrafei kaneis. Kai h proqesmia ``trexei'' ws to telos toy mhnos. As perimenoyme thn oloklhrwsh ths gia na doyme posa Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata symmorfwnontai me tis diatajeis toy nomoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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