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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 23 Maioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 138759916

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 23 Maioy 2008

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Mia anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs: Apo thn perasmenh Trith, 20 toy mhnos, to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs apofasise, opws gnwrizete oloi, thn amesh aposyrsh apo thn agora olwn twn posothtwn, syskeyasmenwn h mh, rafinarismenoy h akatergastoy hlielaioy, anejarthtws xwras proeleyshs kai baqmoy epimolynshs. Katopin toytoy kai prokeimenoy na mh dhmioyrghqoyn fainomena kerdoskopias kai adikaiologhtwn anatimhsewn, genika sto xwro twn elaiwn poy qa eixan amesh epibarynsh stoys katanalwtes kai toys epaggelmaties, o Yfypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Giwrgos Blaxos ypegrace shmera, 23 Maioy 2008, Agoranomikh Diatajh, me thn opoia ``pagwnoyn'' oi times se oloys toys typoys elaiwn poy kykloforoyn sthn agora, sto ycos poy eixan thn hmera aposyrshs toy hlielaioy, to opoio antiproswpeyei - -ayto to lew gia dikh sas plhroforhsh- - peripoy to 30% toy synoloy twn elaiwn poy diakinoyntai sthn agora. Prokeitai, dhladh, gia to epipedo timwn poy isxye thn 20 Maioy 2008. Ayto shmainei oti kaqe anatimhsh sthn timh twn proiontwn poy anaferontai analytika sthn Agoranomikh Diatajh apotelei parabash, h opoia entopizomenh apo toys elegxoys poy qa akoloyqhsoyn, episyrei dioikhtikes kyrwseis, megala prostima kai parapomph twn parabatwn ston Eisaggelea, me parallhlh dhmosiopoihsh twn onomatwn toys. H nea apofash qa isxyei apo ayrio, 24 Maioy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei qema eite gia ton k. Fwlia, eite gia ton k. Blaxo sthn kybernhsh; Exei dexqei mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos eishghseis h skeftetai antikatastash toy enos h toy alloy, dioti yparxei gkrinia kai gia thn apotelesmatikothta toy Ypoyrgeioy sto diatrofiko qema, alla kai gia thn akribeia.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kanena qema.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me dedomeno to plhqwristiko sok kai me aformh kai thn Agoranomikh Diatajh poy ypegrafh shmera, mhpws h kybernhsh qa mporoyse na genikeysei ayth thn praktikh, prokeimenoy na prostateyqei to eisodhma twn noikokyriwn kai epiprosqeta, ti qa ginei me toys syntajioyxoys poy phran ayjhsh 5% kai hdh o plhqwrismos exei rokanisei ayth thn ayjhsh; Mhpws qa mporoyse h kybernhsh na dwsei kapoio epidoma pros anakoyfish toys;

ANTWNAROS: Na ta paroyme ena-ena. Prwton: Exoyme mia sygkekrimenh apofash poy anaferetai sta qemata, ta opoia - -opws gnwrizete- - apasxoloyn tis teleytaies hmeres oloys mas kai exoyn sxesh me to qema toy epimolysmenoy hlielaioy. Tetoies apofaseis den mporoyn na genikeyontai, den einai dynaton na genikeyontai. Sto deytero qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh h opoia sta xronia ths qhteias ths, apo to 2004 kai meta, didei stoys syntajioyxoys ayjhseis, kaqe xrono, oi opoies einai ychloteres apo ton plhqwrismo. Kai ayto akribws, giati exei antilhfqei, syneidhtopoiei, oti aytes oi eypaqeis omades twn sympolitwn mas exoyn megalyterh anagkh sthrijhs, exoyn ayjhmenes anagkes kai toys symparasteketai. Oles aytes oi ayjhseis, opws gnwrizete, didontai sta plaisia twn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra mas.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na rwthsw kati gia to qema ayths ths Agoranomikhs Diatajhs, thn opoia mas anagnwsate nwritera: Gia na efarmostei sthn prajh ayth h Agoranomikh Diatajh qa prepei na yparxoyn kai oi elegktikoi ekeinoi mhxanismoi poy qa pistopoioyn tis parabaseis. Thn idia stigmh, wstoso, opws maqainoyme kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, ginetai paradekto oti yparxoyn megales elleiceis se o,ti afora toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys. Pws, ws ek toytoy, qa mporesei pragmatika na efarmostei ayth h diatajh kai na diapistwqoyn oi parabaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Qa katablhqoyn oles oi prospaqeies poy xreiazontai, wste me ta mesa poy diaqetoyn oi mhxanismoi ths Politeias na kanoyn ekeinoys toys elegxoys poy epiballontai.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh qa arei thn apagoreysh stis eisagwges oykranikoy hlielaioy, me dedomeno oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh arneitai na proxwrhsei se empargko;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, ayto einai ena eyrwpaiko qema, to opoio apasxolei polles xwres ths Eyrwphs, alla kai xwres ektos Eyrwphs. H ellhnikh Politeia brisketai se synexh synennohsh me thn armodia yphresia gia thn prostasia twn trofimwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Syntonizetai kai qa akoloyqhsei otan diamorfwqei kai h koinh eyrwpaikh politikh, oles tis odhgies, oles tis ypodeijeis, oles tis koines draseis poy qa apofasistoyn.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei twra diamorfwmenh koinh eyrwpaikh politikh gia to qema twn epimolysmenwn hlielaiwn apo thn Oykrania;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn exw plhroforhqei, kai sas to lew ayto, dioti to plhroforoymai ejwdikws, dioti mexri pro oligoy den eixan fqasei oi nees odhgies toy organoy ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy problepoyn, endexomenws, aysthroteroys elegxoys. Emeis, pantws, se opoiadhpote periptwsh, qa efarmosoyme aysthroteroys elegxoys. Sas eipe kai xqes o k. Roysopoylos, to epanalambanw kai egw shmera, oti oi elegxoi einai kati to opoio apofasizetai apo toys episthmones. Otan oi episthmones krinoyn oti prepei na ginei aytos o alfa h o deina elegxos, ayto qa ginei kai qa ginei me apolyth aysthrothta kai me apolyth proshlwsh stoys kanones poy prepei na isxyoyn.

KAKALHS: An katalaba kala, dhladh, qa symmorfwqeite me thn eyrwpaikh politikh, h opoia einai piqanon na perioristei se elegxoys, alla den qa yparxei empargko gia tis eisagwges twn hlielaiwn...

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, na kanw thn erwthsh: Dhladh, qa epitrecete na katanalwqei to ladi ayto, to opoio einai apodedeigmena, diapistwmena pleon apo to Geniko Xhmeio k.t.l., noqeymeno me oryktelaio, qa epitrecete na katanalwqei epeidh h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh... ;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw tetoio pragma.

KAKALHS: Pws qa to apotrecete, lew. Oti den qa katanalwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ginontai synexeis elegxoi sthn agora. Einai gnwsta ta metra ta opoia exoyme labei. Prwtisto melhma ths kybernhshs, ths Politeias kai olwn mas einai h prostasia ths dhmosias ygeias kai ths ygeias enos kaqenos apo toys katanalwtes jexwrista.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Mas lete oti ginontai elegxoi synexeis sthn agora. Wstoso, o k. Blaxos, o armodios Yfypoyrgos, milwntas sth Boylh eipe oti den yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi, oti arxisan na xanontai - -eipe xarakthristika- - apo to 1994 mexri to 2004 kai ayto poy ginetai twra einai monon timolhcies. Yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi h den yparxoyn, opws leei o k. Blaxos; Kai an nai, an den yparxoyn, apo to 2004 mexri twra, ti exei kanei h kybernhsh gi` aytoys mhxanismoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa epanelqw se qemata ta opoia exoyme apanthsei epaneilhmmena tis teleytaies hmeres. Den briskw kamia apolytws diafora sta osa sas exoyme pei emeis kai osa moy lete oti eipe shmera to prwi, apantwntas apo o,ti jerw se mia erwthsh, o k. Blaxos sth Boylh. Einai sygkekrimeno to anqrwpino dynamiko to opoio diaqetoyme, kai sas exoyme pei kai emeis oti oi elegxoi, se tetoies megales posothtes, sth megalh se ogko diakinhsh proiontwn, poy ginetai oxi mono pros th xwra mas, alla pros oles tis alles xwres, einai, htan deigmatolhptikoi. Jerete olh th xronologikh ejelijh twn pragmatwn. Ta stoixeia sas einai gnwsta. Sas exoyn doqei apo to armodio ypoyrgeio: Pote efqasan ta shmata, pws edrase h ellhnikh pleyra, poy exoyn ginei oi elegxoi, tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti stoxos einai h prostasia toy katanalwth. Kai me yperboles den dinontai apanthseis.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos jekinhse hdh kapoies periodeies sthn perifereia kai qa hqela, an mporeite, na mas metafrasete politika aytes tis periodeies toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai taktika, se ola ta xronika shmeia, diafores perioxes ths xwras. Den yparxei tipota kainoyrgio se ayto. Shmera, opws gnwrizete, brisketai ektos Aqhnwn. Qa episkefqei merh ths Boreias Elladas. O Prwqypoyrgos pragmatopoiei taktika tetoia tajidia se oloklhrh thn Ellada, opws ginotan panta.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxei to endexomeno tetoies agoranomikes diatajeis, poy pagwnoyn times, na epiblhqoyn kai se alla proionta, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h akribeia;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa pro oligoy.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qelw na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno erwthma: Telika yparxoyn elegktikoi mhxanismoi h oxi, opws leei o k. Blaxos;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio leei kai einai safes o k. Blaxos, einai oti qa qelame oloi mas oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi na eixan 10plasio h 20plasio h 50plasio dynamiko. Ayto den einai pantote efikto. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi yparxoyn, oi elegktes bgainoyn ejw gia na kanoyn toys elegxoys, me th morfh thn opoia ginontai oi elegxoi se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs. Den eimaste emeis diaforetikoi, den einai diaforetiko ayto poy ginetai sthn Ellada. Sas to exw pei kai proxqes, oi elegxoi, oi deigmatolhcies oi opoies ginontai sthn Ellada kai stis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs einai sxedon taytoshmoi. Kai ayto to lew giati mporei apo th mia xwra sthn allh na yparxoyn mikres diafores.

KAKALHS: Exete eikona ti exei ginei me thn entolh poy exei dwsei o EFET stis etaireies na anaferoyn poia proionta periexoyn hlielaio se pososto anw toy 10% kai na ta aposyroyn; Dhladh, an oi etaireies, giati den exei ginei kat` arxhn mexri twra, dhladh einai dynaton na mhn jeroyme poia proionta prepei na aposyrqoyn poy exoyn pososto 10% se hlielaio kai poia einai h eikona mexri twra;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston EFET, o opoios einai enas organismos toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy. Opws gnwrizete, o k. Blaxos exei dwsei odhgies ston k. Zampela, ton Proedreyonta toy EFET, na epikoinwnei kaqe hmera me toys dhmosiografoys. Kai an den apatwmai, isws twra h ligo argotera o k. Zampelas qa dwsei tis plhrofories poy exei stoys synadelfoys sas poy kalyptoyn ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Eseis den anhsyxeite gia thn poreia ayths ths ...

ANTWNAROS: H Politeia, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, exei labei ola ekeina ta metra poy apaitoyntai, wste na prostateyetai diarkws kai apotelesmatika h ygeia olwn twn katanalwtwn.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epibebaiwnetai h synanthsh ths k. Mpakogiannh me ton Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn toy Kosoboy kai ti shmainei ayto gia thn politikh mas apenanti sto Kosobo;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ta qemata eteqhsan pro oligoy ston ekproswpo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsako, o opoios enhmerwse toys diplwmatikoys syntaktes kai exei apanthsei kai se ayto to qema diejodika. Qa hqela, omws, na pw oti tetoioy eidoys oligoleptes, atypes synanthseis, opws eimai bebaios oti sas einai gnwsto giati kai eseis polles fores synodeyete kai ton Prwqypoyrgo kai Ypoyrgoys sto ejwteriko, einai synhqhs praktikh sto plaisio twn dieqnwn diaskecewn. Gi` aytes tis synanthseis, tis oligoleptes, den yparxei kamia idiaiterh anakoinwsh. H Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn p.x., peran twn oligoleptwn synanthsewn me toys omologoys ths, ths Serbias kai ths Albanias, eixe kai mia synanthsh me ton k. Hyseni. Oydemia metabolh yparxei ths gnwsths ellhnikhs stashs. Sas to lew, gia na prolabw endexomenh erwthsh sas, an kai tonizw oti exei apanthsei diejodika ep` aytoy o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

KAKALHS: Gnwrizete an o k. Alogoskoyfhs brhke ependytes, akribestera ploysioys idiwtes opws toys apokalese gia na dhmioyrghsoyn ta idiwtika panepisthmia sth xwra mas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy se ti akribws anafereste. Profanws, se kapoia apostrofh twn omiliwn toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfhs poy brisketai sths H.P.A. ...

KAKALHS: Alla jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw epakribws oles tis omilies. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti sto qema ayto, ennow sto qema twn mh kratikwn, mh kerdoskopikwn panepisthmiwn, exei topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia, toso h kybernhsh synolika oso kai o armodios Ypoyrgos poly prosfata. H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh qesh panw se ayto to qema, thn opoia exoyme diatypwsei me tropo poy den afhnei kamia amfibolia. Kai thn exoyme diatypwsei toso me th diatajh thn opoia proteiname kata thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, oso kai me alles safeis dhlwseis toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla afhnei se mena kapoies amfibolies h qesh sas gia to ejhs zhthma: Exete pei oti mh kratika, mh kerdoskopika, den shmainei oti qa einai idiwtika panepisthmia. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, einai etsi h den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws qa sas ypenqymisw tis qeseis ths kybernhshs kai qa sas tis steilw meta to briefing gia na tis diabasete jana kai na tis freskarete.

KAKALHS: Exete pei polles fores, to jeroyn oloi, oti mh kratiko den shmainei oti qa einai idiwtiko panepisthmio. Pws o k. Alogoskoyfh,s loipon, zhtaei (den akoygetai) idiwtika panepisthmia; Ayto akribws einai h frash poy eipe.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, sas eipa oti den jerw epakribws tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Deyteron, h qesh thn kybernhshs einai safhs. Twra, ean qeloyme na paroyme mia lejh na thn ermhneysoyme ektos keimenoy kai na diylisoyme ton kwnwpa, nomizw oti ayto den odhgei poyqena. Telos, ekeino to opoio fantazomai einai oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs tis omilies poy ekane stis H.P.A., tis ekane sthn agglikh glwssa. Den metafrazontai oloi oi oroi epakribws.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Ep aytoy, o k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe to allo. Epeidh polles fores kathgoreite toys foithtes oti den sebontai to nomo -plaisio poy exei chfistei gia ta panepisthmia k.l.p. O k. Alogoskoyfhs pws sebetai to Syntagma kai to arqro 16 otan dhlwnei oti ayto poy caxnoyme einai kapoio nomiko paraqyro sto yfistameno Syntagma, wste na epitrapei se koinwfelh idrymata kai eyporoys idiwtes na dhmioyrghsoyn idiwtika panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti h kybernhsh dia toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy exei topoqethqei me tropo poy den afhnei kamia amfibolia panw se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Einai se diastash o k. Alogoskoyfhs me ton Ypoyrgo Paideias;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete tis dhlwseis. Den mporw na sas parapempw synexeia stis dhlwseis.

MPALHS: Yparxei sxedio sthn kybernhsh gia tis prytanikes ekloges, to lew ayto giati oi prytanikes ekloges, to ena meta to allo ta panepisthmia, den mporoyn na tis kanoyn. Yparxei kapoio sxedio apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Giati to lete ayto;

MPALHS: Giati to lew;

ANTWNAROS: Egw jerw oti eginan oi prytanikes ekloges...

MPALHS: Giati (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: ... Egw jerw oti eginan oi prytanikes ekloges me ton tropo poy problepetai apo th nomoqesia se arketa TEI ths xwras.

MPALHS: Kai se arketa alla, epishs, den eginan.

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme, qa elega, thn oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias. As mhn afhnoyme na mas ephreazei h symperifora poly mikrwn meiochfiwn, oi opoies me ena periergo tropo antitiqentai, antistekontai se kati poy einai aytonohto sth Dhmokratia. Dhladh, h symmetoxh oso to dynaton perissoterwn se mia eklogikh diadikasia. Oso to dynaton perissoterwn foithtwn kai ekproswpwn toy didaktikoy proswpikoy.

MPALHS: Parola ayta, oi ekloges den ginontai.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas eipa oti se polla panepisthmia, kai ta TEI qewroyntai tritobaqmia ekpaideysh, exoyn ginei me epityxia, exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diadikasies. H diadikasia brisketai se ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se sxesh me to molysmeno hlielaio kai epeidh xqes arga to brady kykloforhsan fhmes peri paraithshs h apomakrynshs enos ek twn armodiwn Genikwn Grammatewn toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs h toy k Skiada h toy k. Oikonomoy, yparxei qema apomakrynshs twn kratikwn ajiwmatoyxwn me aformh thn istoria toy noqeymenoy hlielaioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota tetoio.

KAKALHS: Yparxei apo xqes mia erwthsh gia to fylladio poy exei ekdwsei o EFET, to opoio ekponhqhke apo thn UNILEVER;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas diabasw thn apanthsh poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs sxetika me thn erwthsh thn opoia kanate: To egxeiridio me titlo ``Basikes arxes ygieinhs gia ta trofima'' ekponhqhke to 2001 apo th UNILEVER HELLAS A.E. me thn kaqodhghsh kai egkrish toy EFET. O EFET den diakinei to en logw egxeiridio.

KAKALHS: Poios to diakinei;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto enapokeitai se esas na to breite.

KAKALHS: Ma, me th boyla toy EFET yparxei ena...

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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