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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 21 Maioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 138361329

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Maioy 2008

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa parastei ayrio, Pempth, 22 Maioy, stis 19.30, sthn ethsia genikh syneleysh toy Syndesmoy Ellhnikwn Toyristikwn Epixeirhsewn (SETE), sto Megaro Moysikhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kat` arxhn eixa ypobalei ena erwthma xqes ston k. Roysopoylo se o,ti afora thn epilogh toy k. Arapogloy, toy dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezhs, na proxwrhsei se anakoinwsh, monomerws, twn ayjhsewn, afhnontas kata meros tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Einai pagia qesh ths kybernhshs oti den anameignyetai kai den sxoliazei tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis metajy twn koinwnikwn etairwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Syggnwmh, alla den yphrje syllogikh diapragmateysh. Eipate oti den sxoliazete proion syllogikwn diapragmateysewn. Edw htan proion monomeroys apofashs, me olo to qarros.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Pws emfanizetai h kybernhsh ws oydeteros parathrhths se mia prospaqeia poy ginetai apo diorismeno apo thn idia dioikhth Trapezas poy plhttei eyqews to dikaiwma stis syllogikes symbaseis kai dhmioyrgei mia katastash zoygklas stis ergasiakes sxeseis kai ergasiakoy mesaiwna; Se ayto, h kybernhsh mporei na steketai adiaforh;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio gia toys sxoliasmoys kai toys xarakthrismoys toys opoioys eseis xrhsimopoihsate. Menw sth qesh thn opoia sas eipa, oson afora th stash ths kybernhshs. Qa hqela mono na sas parakalesw, gia thn akribeia twn pragmatwn, na diapistwsete me poio tropo analambanei ta kaqhkonta toy o Proedros kai Dieyqynwn Symboylos toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy ths Trapezas.

SPYRAKH: (ektos mikrofwnoy, den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti eiste kala plhroforhmenh. Allwste, sas ypenqymizw oti to ellhniko Dhmosio den exei metoxes ths Eqnikhs Trapezas.

SPYRAKH: Den proteinetai apo thn kybernhsh o k. Arapogloy;

ANTWNAROS: Egw topoqethqhka panw sto qema, to opoio eqese o k. Kakalhs. Yparxei mia diadikasia h opoia akoloyqeitai.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei periptwsh oi yphresies telwneiakwn elegxwn na entaxqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw apo poy prokyptei kati tetoio. Den exw kamia sxetikh plhroforhsh.

ARMENHS: Ginetai mia megalh syzhthsh gia thn apodotikothta, thn apotelesmatikothta aytwn twn elegxwn kai diatypwnetai h apoch apo kapoies fwnes oti qa prepei na entaxqoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, wste na feroyn kalytera apotelesmata. Me aformh, bebaia, to prosfato peristatiko me to hlielaio.

ANTWNAROS: Oi elegxoi oi opoioi dienergoyntai oson afora to sygkekrimeno peristatiko, den einai oi elegxoi oi opoioi ginontai apo tis telwneiakes yphresies. Den einai qema elegxoy apo tis telwneiakes yphresies, ej oswn gnwrizw. Einai sygkekrimenes oi yphresies ths ellhnikhs Politeias poy einai epifortismenes me ton poiotiko elegxo twn sygkekrimenwn eisagomenwn agaqwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, epeidh akoysthkan diafores antifatikes plhrofories, alloi milhsan gia entajh olwn twn forewn elegxoy sto Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs, alloi milhsan gia metakinhsh sto Ypoyrgeio Gewrgias, nyn Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. To qema einai, yparxei kai h aisqhsh oti den yparxei ena eniaio kentro kaqodhghshs twn elegxwn aytwn. Dhladh, einai diaspartoi oi elegxoi, ginontai eite apo ton EFET, eite apo tis Nomarxies kai den yparxei enas sygxronismos.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw, poioi einai oi alloi, oi men kai oi de, stoys opoioys anafereste...

PALAIOLOGOS: Oi Nomarxies.

ANTWNAROS: ... Asfalws, omws, den anafereste se kybernhtika stelexh, dioti eimai bebaios oti ta kybernhtika stelexh den ekanan aytes tis anafores tis opoies eisagwgika sthn omilia sas eipate...

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw ekeines poy anefera kai apo stelexh eginan, alla...

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis epishmes dhlwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw tis anepishmes, an moy epitrepete.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas qema, alla mporeite na tis ajiopoieite kata to dokoyn, kata to diko sas tropo kai oxi sth syzhthsh se ayton edw to xwro.

PALAIOLOGOS: Syggnwmh, tis metaferw ws dhmosiografos. Ayth einai h doyleia moy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy plhrofories. Xwris na qetw kaqoloy en amfibolw th dikh sas epaggelmatikh eparkeia kai th dikh sas epaggelmatikh ajiopistia, den mporw na gnwrizw th basimothta dhlwsewn, oi opoies moy metaferontai edw. Den qa kanoyme syzhthsh ep` aytoy...

PALAIOLOGOS: Mprabo, ston pyrhna, ston pyrhna, sxetika me to eniaio kentro...

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei kati - - kai den yparxei ayth th stigmh kati tetoio- - eimai bebaios oti qa to plhroforhqeite. Ekeino to opoio, omws, gnwrizw - -kai qelw na to pw gia mia akomh fora, to eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos xqes, to lew kai egw- - einai oti oi elegxoi aytoi oi opoioi ginontai sta eidh diatrofhs h sta eidh ta opoia proorizontai gia diatrofh, einai ligo-poly taytoshmoi se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Kai qa hqela na ypenqymisw, gia mia akomh fora, oti h eisagwgh tetoiwn posothtwn den einai ena qema to opoio emfanisthke jafnika mono sthn Ellada. Afora synolika, symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw - -kai eimai bebaios oti thn exete kai eseis- - oktw synolika xwres ths Eyrwphs, opoy exei diapistwqei h yparjh tetoiwn paromoiwn posothtwn hlielaioy. Yparxei syntonismos metajy twn xwrwn ths Eyrwphs kai antallagh olwn twn sxetikwn plhroforiwn. Kai apo th stigmh poy oi plhrofories aytes erxontai sth xwra mas, kinhtopoioyntai oloi oi elegktes kai oloi oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi, wste oso pio entona ginetai, oso pio grhgora ginetai, na dienergoyn toys elegxoys toys opoioys exoyn kaqhkon, basei ths keimenhs nomoqesias, na pragmatopoihsoyn. Kai aytoi oi elegxoi ginontai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Moy epitrepete, omws, afoy (den akoygetai) giati den eginan oi elegxoi, epeidh milame twra epi toy prakteoy, giati den eginan oi elegxoi kai perase kai to deytero fortio me to hlielaio poy htan epimolysmeno; Kati ekei den phge kala, omws. Edw, prospaqw na katalabw poy einai oi eyqynes poy den egine ekei o elegxos.

ANTWNAROS: H prwth eidopoihsh poy mas hrqe, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, ton Aprilio, apo to systhma egkairhs enhmerwshs poy yparxei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, aforoyse eisagwges aytoy toy hlielaioy sthn Italia, th Gallia kai an qymamai kala kai thn Agglia kai se mia xwra ektos Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, se mia xwra ths boreioy Afrikhs. Kinhtopoihqhke h xwra mas, arxise na dienergei toys elegxoys, phgainontas pisw xronika kai diapistwse oti yphrxe kai mia allh partida, h opoia eixe fqasei sth xwra mas nwritera. Kai me to eyrhma ayto enhmerwse to systhma enhmerwshs, eidopoihshs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qelw na pw oti arxise kai egine edw, sthn Ellada, gia enhmerwsh thn opoia eixame gia posothtes poy eixan paei alloy, amesws o elegxos. O elegxos aytos, opws gnwrizete, einai enas elegxos poy apaitei arketo xrono. Kai sto periballon, sto opoio zoyme, ths grhgorhs antallaghs, eisagwghs, metakinhshs megalwn posothtwn eidwn diatrofhs, ginetai ayto poy einai aparaithto na ginei. Opws sas eipa, oso pio entona kai oso pio grhgora ginetai.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthseis sxetika me ayto to qema. Parakoloyqhsa poly prosektika osa eipate. Sto prwto shmeio, mas lete oti h aformh gia na jekinhsoyn oi elegxoi yphrje h eisagwgh tetoioy eidoys molysmenoy ladioy...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti etsi doqhke to prwto shma, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

SPYRAKH: Aforoyse synolika oktw xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Egw sas eipa oti synolika to qema ayto aggizei oktw xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Sas eipa oti eixame enhmerwsh ton Aprilio apo to systhma eidopoihshs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, to opoio einai mia antallagh plhroforiwn metajy olwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia tetoies posothtes, oi opoies eftasan se alles xwres. Oxi mono th dikh mas. Hrqe loipon kai se emas kai me bash ayto to shma, thn eidopoihsh thn opoia eixame, arxisan na caxnoyn yphresies ths ellhnikhs Politeias, palaioteres partides. Diapistwsan oti yphrxe mia, ekanan ton elegxo amesws opws ofeilan kai opws eixan kaqhkon enhmerwsan kai oles tis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, oti kykloforoyn aytes oi partides, wste kai ekeines na kanoyn ta deonta.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na sas rwthsw, giati sth xwra mas arkesthkame sthn aposyrsh toy synoloy toy ladioy, opws anakoinwse xqes h kybernhsh, poy kykloforei me endexomenh epimolynsh kai den proxwrhsame sthn aposyrsh twn syndedemenwn me hlielaio proiontwn opws egine sth Gallia; To ena erwthma einai ayto kai to allo erwthma poy exw na sas kanw k. Ekproswpe einai, an qelete rwthste to armodio Ypoyrgeio, mporei na eggyhqei h kybernhsh oti den yphrje prohgoymenos xronos, prin apo thn anixneysh toy prwtoy fortioy poy eseis eipate; Anadromika an yphrjan kai prohgoymena fortia prin apo ekeinh th xronikh stigmh ta opoia na exoyn ftasei ston katanalwth;

ANTWNAROS: Gi ayta, qa sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Qa hqela, omws, na sas parapemcw kai sth shmerinh, molis pro oligoy ekdoqeisa, anakoinwsh toy EFET, me thn opoia perigrafetai ti akribws aposyretai. Parakalw na th diabasete. Bghke prin apo ligo kai perigrafei ti akribws ginetai. H aposyrsh ayth - -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - ginetai gia elegxo, ginetai prolhptika. Den einai skopimo na dhmioyrgeitai anhsyxia stoys Ellhnes katanalwtes. Exei topoqethqei ep aytoy toy qematos to armodio Ypoyrgeio, exei topoqethqei o Genikos Grammateas Katanalwth. Kai sas eipa gia mia akomh fora - -kai to epanalambanw- - oti ginontai oloi oi apaitoymenoi kai problepomenoi elegxoi poy - -to tonizw jana, akomh kai an ginomai baretos- - einai sxedon taytoshmoi (xrhsimopoiw th lejh ``sxedon'' giati mporei na yparjei mia mikrh apoklish apo th mia xwra sthn allh) se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs. Yparxei ena koino systhma antimetwpishs tetoiwn fainomenwn kai synergazontai oi xwres tis Eyrwphs, prokeimenoy na briskoyn koines lyseis otan yparxoyn partides tetoiwn trofimwn, tetoiwn eidwn diatrofhs, poy proerxontai apo trites xwres.

FANIDHS: Nai, kyrie Ekproswpe, alla ayto to opoio fainetai einai oti xaqhke h maxh ths prolhchs, giati kaka ta cemata, mas parapempete shmera sthn anakoinwsh toy EFET gia to poia proionta aposyrontai kai ta loipa. Exei perasei, omws, arketo xroniko diasthma. Yphrxe ayth h entypwsh, oti kaqysterhsate arketa.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas eipa oti den yparxei kaqysterhsh me thn ennoia twn elegxwn oi opoioi ginontai kai einai entatikoi. Einai elegxoi megalhs ektashs, kai gi` ayto qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyn oti h diakinhsh proiontwn kaqe eidoys kai trofimwn sthn epoxh mas einai kai se megalh ektash kai ginetai me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys. Sas diabebaiw, pantws, oti oi Arxes ths ellhnikhs Politeias lambanoyn ola ta metra poy xreiazontai, wste na einai apolyta prostateymenh h dhmosia Ygeia. H dhmosia Ygeia einai ena apolyto agaqo, to opoio oloi mas prepei na exoyme to melhma na to prostateysoyme.

ARMENHS: Se ena allo qema k. Ekproswpe. Symfwna me ekqesh toy Oikoy ``Moody`s'', meta th symfwnia me thn Deutsche Telekom, o OTE exase, meiwqhke h pistolhptikh toy ikanothta. To sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia mia plhroforia thn opoia den gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Epeidh einai fanero oti den exete bgalei symperasmata apo ayth th diatrofikh krish kai einai bebaio oti qa epanalhfqoyn tetoia skandala, hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Eipate oti den einai skopimo na prokaleitai anhsyxia stoys katanalwtes. Eiste diateqeimenos ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na dokimasete hlielaio anamemeigmeno me oryktelaio mprosta stis kameres, opws ekanan palaiotera sthn Eyrwph me tis treles agelades;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio panw se ayto, para thn poly eygenikh proklhsh me thn opoia me balate antimetwpo.

KAKALHS: Gia na kaqhsyxasete toys katanalwtes, qa einai pio peistiko mprosta stis kameres na trwte to hlielaio noqeymeno me oryktelaio. Sthn Eyrwph etrwgan treles agelades, opws qa qymaste, o bretanos Ypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti sth xwra toy elaioladoy, thn Ellada, oloi mas apolambanoyme to ellhniko ladi.

BLABIANOS: Mporei na fanw parwxhmenos, alla pragmatika me ekplhjh diapistwsa oti shmerinoi 18xronoi Ellhnes mporei na xreiazontai ermhneia h dieykrinish gia to ti shmainoyn lejeis, opws ``cegadi'', ``parwxhmenos'' kai ``ypodikos''. Pragmatika kanw thn erwthsh, giati diakatexomai apo fobo oti endexomenws se 20 xronia na mhn milame ta ellhnika. Den jerw an diakatexeste apo ton idio fobo kai an nai, ti skepteste na kanete ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti arketoi apo emas exoyn paidia ayths ths hlikias. Egw exw empistosynh kai sthn ellhnikh paideia kai stis gnwseis poy apokomizoyn ta paidia kai apo ta sxoleia, bebaiws, alla kai apo to oikogeneiako periballon. H glwssa phgainei mprosta, ejelissetai. Eimai apolyta bebaios, omws, oti para th synexh xrhsh orismenwn lejewn toy syrmoy poy xrhsimopoiei h shmerinh neolaia, opws xrhsimopoiei kaqe neolaia - -xrhsimopoioysame kai emeis otan eimaste, se ekeina ta xronia, ekeinh thn epoxh- - h gnwsh ths ellhnikhs glwssas einai kalh, baqia. H ellhnikh glwssa exei, opws gnwrizete, epizhsei gia polla xronia, polloys aiwnes, xilieties kai etsi den blepw kanena tetoio kindyno. To armodio Ypoyrgeio profanws ekrine oti eprepe na ejhghsei orismenes lejeis ths sygkekrimenhs dokimasias sthn opoia ypoblhqhkan ta paidia, oi neoi anqrwpoi, oi neoi kai oi nees, prokeimenoy na eisaxqoyn sto panepisthmio.

FANIDHS: Sxetika me thn ypoqesh ths Siemens: Akoysa ton k. Alejandro Lykoyrezo, to synhgoro ths etaireias, na dinei mia poly endiaferoysa synenteyjh se radiofwniko staqmo. Metajy allwn, eipe oti apo ta stoixeia poy exei den emplekontai, den fainetai na emplekontai, politika proswpa. To ena stoixeio einai ayto, poy qa hqela na to sxoliasete kai to deytero einai oti o k. Aqanasioy, o opoios xeirizetai thn ypoqesh, einai monos toy se ayth thn ypoqesh. Eipe, dhladh, o k. Lykoyrezos oti se antistoixes periptwseis se jenes xwres, opws h Italia, yphrxan empeirognwmones poy synedraman to ergo toy ekastote dikastikoy leitoyrgoy. Ayto, loipon, deixnei isws oti mporei na emeine kai eskemmena monos toy o k. Aqanasioy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia mia synenteyjh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa hqela na epanaferw to erwthma, thn oysia mallon toy erwthmatos toy k. Kakalh, se sxesh me to qema toy hlielaioy. Kai giati; Yparxei kapoia Arxh, o EFET en prokeimenw h - -den jerw- - kapoia allh, na parasxei th diabebaiwsh - -alla diabebaiwsh, omws- - oti kamposoi tonoi hlielaioy den exoyn katanalwqei apo toys Ellhnes katanalwtes; Giati yparxei h plhroforia kai einai plhroforia poy exei akoystei apo radiofwnoy kai thleorasews, oti 400 tonoi epimolysmenoy hlielaioy exoyn hdh katanalwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti ginontai oles oi prospaqeies oi opoies apaitoyntai, wste oi elegxoi kai apotelesmatikoi na einai, afenos men, kai oles oi posothtes oi opoies kateyqynqhkan pros thn ellhnikh agora, na aposyrqoyn. Kai na kriqoyn, efoson exoyn syskeyastei se proionta poy fqanoyn ston teliko katanalwth, oti den apoteloyn kanena kindyno gia th dhmosia ygeia.

KAKALHS: Exei h kybernhsh kapoia plhroforia h enhmerwsh gia pote to NATO qa diaqesei to AWACS gia na steilei stis askhseis poy ginontai ston Ai Strath h qa afhsei na metatrapei se mia ``gkriza zwnh'' h perioxh;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh poy ekane xqes o k. Roysopoylos. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

KAKALHS: Qa epanalhfqei, dhladh; Den ginontai prospaqeies na epanalhfqei h askhsh h exete paraithqei;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy k. Roysopoyloy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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