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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 13 Maioy 2008

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Maioy 2008

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Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh einai etoimh na apodwsei eyqynes, se ekeinoys poy fernoyn eyqynh telos pantwn, gia to gegonos oti to molysmeno me oryktelaia hlielaio perase apo dyo pararthmata toy Genikoy Xhmeioy, sto Bolo kai sth Messhna, xwris na entopistei;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exei proteraiothta, apolyth proteraiothta ayth th stigmh, einai na diapistwqei poies posothtes yparxoyn akomh sthn agora, gia thn kataskeyh poiwn proiontwn exoyn xrhsimopoihqei endexomenws aytes oi posothtes, na aposyrqoyn ayta ta proionta kai etsi na prostateyqei h ygeia twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn. Ola ta alla, epontai. Qa hqela na sas pw, epishs, oti o Proedros toy EFET exei entolh apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo, ton k. Giwrgo Blaxo, na enhmerwnei esas toys dhmosiografoys, ta MME me anakoinwseis kai me opoion allon prosforo tropo yparxei se kaqhmerinh bash gia thn ejelijh akribws aytoy toy qematos. Exete asfalws, epishs, gnwsh twn poly ektenwn anakoinwsewn poy ekane xqes o Yfypoyrgos pros ta MME. Ekei anaferetai epakribws poies etaireies diakinhsan, pros poies kateyqynseis, poia proionta kai poy xrhsimopoihqhkan. H ereyna ayth synexizetai.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ayth thn wra, paraxwrei mia synenteyjh o k. Xrysoxoidhs kai leei oti yparxei prospaqeia sygkalychs, oti ceydetai kai o k. Blaxos kai h kybernhsh kai ayto to apodeiknyei oti oi gallikes arxes ektimoyn oti einai diplasia h noqeia apo o,ti thn anaferoyn oi ellhnikes arxes.

ANTWNAROS: Exw mprosta moy mia xqesinh oktaselidh, idiaitera leptomereiakh anakoinwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy. Kai endexomenws, qa yparjei kai shmerinh anakoinwsh. Den nomizw, loipon, oti aytoi oi isxyrismoi oi opoioi diatypwnontai apo thn antipoliteysh exoyn kapoia bash otan to armodio Ypoyrgeio, oi armodies Arxes, oi epoptikes arxes, paraqetoyn me kaqe leptomereia, ola ta stoixeia ta opoia exoyn. Den einai prosforo edafos ayto to qema gia na prospaqei kapoios na dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Menw kai sth xqesinh dhlwsh thn opoia ekane o k. Roysopoylos ep` aytoy toy qematos. Kai gnwrizete, osoi hsastan edw thn perasmenh ebdomada, oti eixa anaferqei kai egw analytika thn perasmenh Pempth sto qema. Opoy yparxoyn eyqynes, qa ejeyreqoyn, qa diapistwqoyn kai ekeinoi poy exoyn tis eyqynes qa ypostoyn tis synepeies.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla akomh den exei breqei h mish posothta apo to epimolysmeno, opws to lene, hlielaio. Ayto den anadeiknyei tis eyqynes ths kybernhshs; Mporei na diabebaiwsei ton ellhniko lao oti den to exei katanalwsei kai poies einai oi epiptwseis sthn ygeia toy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na diabasete th xqesinh anakoinwsh. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo panw se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Ayto ti shmainei; Oti o ellhnikos laos prepei na diabasei thn oktaselidh anakoinwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, alla oti eseis, diabazontas th xqesinh anakoinwsh...

KAKALHS: Nai. Den eimai ferefwno diko sas egw, gia na lew...

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete. Egw den isxyristhka, se kamia periptwsh, kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Nai, ayto lete: ``Na diabasete thn anakoinwsh''. Lew, den qa dwsei ejhghseis gia to oti h mish posothta den exei breqei akoma; Poy einai ayth h posothta; Exei katanalwqei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw, omws, kai eimai bebaios oti qa to kanete, dioti gnwrizw me posh epimeleia antapokrineste sta kaqhkonta sas, na deite oti se ayth thn anakoinwsh perigrafontai ola akribws ta stoixeia. Kai eipa hdh eisagwgika oti h ycisth proteraiothta, h opoia yparxei ayth th stigmh, einai akribws na ejeyreqoyn an, poy kai poies posothtes yparxoyn, prokeimenoy na aposyrqoyn kai na mhn yparjei, akribws, epiptwsh gia ton Ellhna katanalwth. Ayto einai poy proexei ayth th stigmh kai ayto akribws ginetai.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn apofash na anakhryxqei o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Gkargkanas, epitimos dioikhths enw einai en energeia kai bebaia na exei kai mia seira apo pronomia.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Na enhmerwqw, an einai qema armodiothtas ths kybernhshs, kai na sas enhmerwsw. Alla ayto to qema, apo o,ti antilambanomai, einai qema...

KORAH: Pantws, den exei janaginei kapoios o opoios einai en energeia na anakhryssetai taytoxrona kai epitimos dioikhths.

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw to qema kai synepws den mporw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KORAH: Qa moy apanthsete shmera k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: An einai qema armodiothtas ths kybernhshs, nai.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mia, se ejelijh, prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na periorisei ta kroysmata ntopingk. Wstoso, prin kala-kala kopasei o qorybos poy eixe dhmioyrghqei prosfata, yparxei ena allo kroysma poy egine gnwsto shmera gia koryfaio Ellhna kolymbhth.

ANTWNAROS: H prospaqeia se ayto ton tomea einai synexhs. Poly prosfata, thn perasmenh ebdomada molis, o armodios Yfypoyrgos k. Iwannidhs topoqethqhke me polles leptomereies se ayto to qema. Opoy yparxoyn tetoies prospaqeies, den qa epitrecei h Politeia, efoson einai ths armodiothtas ths Politeias, na perasoyn. Den prepei oi elaxistes periptwseis ntopingk na amayrwnoyn, se kamia periptwsh, tis prospaqeies kai twn Ellhnwn aqlhtwn poy polles fores prwtagwnistoyn dieqnws, alla kai olwn twn newn, kaqe hlikias, oi opoioi aqloyntai.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa kanei kati h kybernhsh gia na prostateysei toys Ellhnes katanalwtes apo to pronomioyxo klamp twn idiokthtwn twn bytioforwn; Dioti, h aisqhsh poy yparxei einai oti afoy h kybernhsh afhse aprostateytoys toys katanalwtes poy emeinan xwris benzinh sta rezerboyar, twra ikanopoiei sxedon ola ta aithmata enos kleistoy epaggelmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai akribws etsi. H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, apo thn prwth stigmh exei kataballei prospaqeies wste na antimetwpistei ayth h apergiakh kinhtopoihsh. Den amfisbhtw to dikaiwma kanenos na diekdikei, me tropo poy ekeinoi epilegoyn osa qewroyn ta dikaia toys. Apo thn allh pleyra, prepei na lambanei kaneis ypoch toys kai th zhmia poy endexomenws prokaleitai sto synolo, sth megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn. Den einai alhqeia ayto to opoio eipate, oti h kybernhsh ikanopoiei, to ena meta to allo, ta aithmata twn idiokthtwn forthgwn kai bytioforwn. H kybernhsh erxetai se epafh, milaei, akoyei tis apoceis twn ekproswpwn aytoy toy kladoy kai apofasizei. Qa sas elega, malista, oti orismenes plhrofories oi opoies anegrafhsan ston Typo sxetika me tis synennohseis poy eixan xqes sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, den apeikonizoyn plhrws ta osa syzhthqhkan kai ta osa symfwnhqhkan. Sas plhroforw, loipon, oti apo pleyras Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn exei systaqei Epitroph poy ejetazei tis texnikes leptomereies ths efarmoghs twn diatajewn toy telwneiakoy kwdika kai toy prosfatoy nomoy gia thn antimetwpish ths laqremporias sto petrelaio qermanshs, se sxesh me th diakinhsh twn kaysimwn. Den yfistatai zhthma tropopoihshs twn diatajewn. Den kanoyme ekptwseis se qemata laqremporioy.

FANIDHS: Sto idio qema qa meinw. To EBEA, omws, epeshmane oti h Ellada einai h monadikh xwra, etsi leei to EBEA, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy den dinei nees adeies gia dhmosias xrhsews forthga, me apotelesma, ychlo kostos metaforwn, plhqwrismoy kai anergias. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs panw se ayto to zhthma to opoio se telikh analysh ephreazei oloys toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys polites.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh, ekeino to opoio exei apolyth proteraiothta, einai h apokatastash ths omalhs leitoyrgias, ths omalhs trofodosias ths agoras. Den exw na prosqesw tipote se sxolia, ta opoia kanoyn diaforoi qesmikoi foreis, opws ayto poy anaferate.

GKOYTZANHS: Na to diatypwsw diaforetika. Qa apofasisei h kybernhsh na apeleyqerwsei ayto to kleisto epaggelma, etsi wste na mhn einai omhros h koinwnia merikwn ekatontadwn epaggelmatiwn poy einai kai pronomioyxoi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati ep` aytoy.

KAKALHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th stash toy arxhgoy toy PASOK, o opoios kalese toys apergoys na anasteiloyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys. Einai o typos ths antipoliteyshs ths epoikodomhtikhs kai ypeyqynhs, poy epizhtei;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw se ayto to qema, se kamia periptwsh, th qesh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ekeino to opoio emas mas endiaferei - -kai to lew gia mia akomh fora- - einai na apokatastaqei h omalh leitoyrgia, h omalh trofodosia, me ola ekeina ta proionta, ta opoia ayth th stigmh, den ftanoyn stoys apodektes toys, ekei poy prepei na ftasoyn.

KAKALHS: Allo rwthsa egw. Kai alles fores exete sxoliasei, polles fores, th stash toy proedroy toy PASOK. Giati apofeygete twra na th sxoliasete; Giati sas yperfalaggizei isws;

ANTWNAROS: To sxoliasa me ton tropo poy epeleja egw.

KORAH: Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn emplokh kommatikoy stelexoys me ploysia, malista, drasthriothta toy k. Negrh sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei epaneilhmmenws oti h kybernhsh, edw kai ena etos kai pleon, dia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, exei kanei o,ti einai aparaithto, wste na bohqhsei na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi synqhkes kai na ejeyreqoyn ola ekeina ta stoixeia gia na ginei h aparaithth diereynhsh ayths ths ypoqeshs. Ayth h diereynhsh den ejairei, asfalws, kanenan. Shmasia exei na ginei ereyna kai na fqasei ayth h ereyna se mia katalhjh. Gia to poios empleketai h feretai na empleketai, ayto einai qema poy afora th Dikaiosynh, th leitoyrgia ths opoias egw, se kamia periptwsh, den sxoliazw. Oson afora de to sygkekrimeno proswpo to opoio anaferete, ekeino to opoio gnwrizw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos einai oti ypebale thn paraithsh toy apo th qesh thn opoia eixe, h opoia kai egine apodekth.

KORAH: Dia ths dikhgoroy toy omws xqes eipe oti o idios den ypebale kamia paraithsh. Mporoyme na maqoyme ti akribws exei ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw thn epishmh anakoinwsh, h opoia yparxei.

KORAH: Giati arneiste na peite oti apopemfqhke;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti yparxei h paraithsh toy, h opoia kai egine apodekth.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se anakoinwsh ths Nomarxias Anatolikhs Attikhs, anaferetai oti h Poleodomia Markopoyloy diapistwnei parabaseis sthn adeia toy spitioy toy Ypoyrgoy Periballontos, gia thn opoia leei oti o fakelos den htan kan plhrhs. Ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei apanthsh ep` aytoy, xqes to apogeyma, toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Qa hqela, gia mia akomh fora, na pw oti to hqos kai h akeraiothta toy Ypoyrgoy k. Soyflia einai gnwsta kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh otan chfize to nomo plaisio gia ta Panepisthmia, elege oti basikos stoxos htan h enisxysh ths aytonomias twn Panepisthmiwn. Twra, jafnika, blepoyme enan wmo ekbiasmo apo thn meria toy Ypoyrgoy na apeilei me diakoph xrhmatodothshs ean den yioqethsoyn tis allages poy to Ypoyrgeio qelei.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ean eseis h kapoios allos synadelfos sas ekane akribws thn idia erwthsh xqes ston k. Roysopoylo, o opoios edwse dyo ekteneis apanthseis gi` ayto to qema...

KAKALHS: H xqesinh dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy einai ayth.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi apanthseis poy edwse, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos.

KORAH: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy Ypoyrgoy PEXWDE. Exei isxyristei se dhlwseis poy exoyn ekdoqei apo to Ypoyrgeio toy, o k. Soyflias, oti h sygkekrimenh Poleodomia Markopoyloy diakatexetai apo mia empaqeia pros to proswpo toy. H kybernhsh yioqetei aytes tis kataggelies;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh thn opoia exei dwsei o Ypoyrgos k. Soyflias.

KORAH: Dhladh, tis yioqetei, moy lete.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh poy exei dwsei o Ypoyrgos.

FANIDHS: Egw hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxoyn ontws peristatika epiqeshs Ellhnwn se Skopianoys polites poy tajideyoyn sthn Ellada, opws yposthrizei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn twn Skopiwn. Ean prokeitai na mas peite gia cemata h akomh xeirotera - -lew egw- - probokatsia twn geitonwn, wste na apokthsoyn th sympaqeia ths eyrwpaikhs koinhs gnwmhs.

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw, den yparxoyn tetoia peristatika ajia logoy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Fainetai oti to PASOK den exei peistei apo thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn gia to logariasmo twn pyroplhktwn. H kybernhsh eggyatai, diabebaiwnei oti ta xrhmata ta opoia exoyn sygkentrwqei einai amesa ektamieysima gi` ayto to skopo;

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti h anakoinwsh ayth, thn opoia monos sas anaferate k. Roymeliwth, den afhnei kanena pedio gia amfisbhthsh. Einai jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, oson afora th diaxeirish toy sygkekrimenoy posoy kai ton tropo me ton opoio prepei na ginetai basei ths keimenhs nomoqesias. H nomoqesia ayth exei mia diadromh 15 etwn, an qymamai kala. Den einai mia nomoqesia h opoia qespisthke twra, xqes, proxqes.

KORAH: Kamia antirrhsh. Par` ola ayta, den einai ena qema to oti yparxei ena terastio poso se ena logariasmo, to opoio htan na ajiopoihqei gia poly sygkekrimenoys skopoys. Yparxoyn, apo thn allh, pyroplhktoi poy synexizoyn na einai astegoi, na exoyn problhma me tis kalliergeies toys kai ayto to poso na synexizei na einai sthn trapeza. Dhladh, den yparxei ena problhma gia to opoio prepei na anazhthqei diejodos;

ANTWNAROS: Qesate polla qemata mazi se mia erwthsh, ta opoia einai synafh...

KORAH: Ena einai omws to erwthma. Poly sygkekrimeno.

ANTWNAROS: To qema ths apozhmiwshs twn gewrgwn kai twn kthnotrofwn, einai qema to opoio kalyptetai kyriws apo alla posa. Ws epi to pleiston, apo posa ta opoia proerxontai eite apo kondylia toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs h Organismwn...

KORAH: Gnwrizw poly kala. Se o,ti afora, omws, tis ktiriakes egkatastaseis, ypagetai sto sygkekrimeno logariasmo. Den milame (den akoygetai) gia kefalaia poy leei kai o (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: ...Me eidika posa h me posa ta opoia katafere na ejasfalisei h xwra mas, an qymamai kala, synolikoy ycoys panw apo 350 ekatommyria eyrw, meta apo poly apotelesmatikes epafes, tis opoies eixe me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Molis thn perasmenh ebdomada, ena prwto poso h to deytero poso, meros toy synolikoy posoy, hrqe sthn Ellada kai moirazetai hdh stoys dikaioyxoys. Den exw ayth th stigmh sto fakelo edw mazi moy ta akribh stoixeia oson afora tis enisxyseis poy doqhkan pros toys dikaioyxoys, sxetika me thn apokatastash twn kopadiwn poy xaqhkan, sxetika me thn enisxysh twn zwotrofwn...

KORAH: Moy epitrepete k. Ekproswpe; Moy apantate se ena erwthma poy den sas exw kanei, omws. Egw qelw gia ta lefta poy den doqhkan. Giati den doqhkan ayta ta lefta;

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na sas pw kai katalhgw sto ejhs: Gia na doqoyn ayta ta xrhmata, qa prepei na ginei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Prepei oi endiaferomenoi na ypoballoyn tis aithseis. Prepei oi aithseis aytes na ginoyn antikeimeno ereynas kai ayto ginetai me grhgoroys ryqmoys. Polloi, omws, apo toys endiaferomenoys, eite katoxoi egkatastasewn opoy pernoysan to xeimwna ta kopadia toys, eite katoikiwn, eite allwn ktismatwn, den exoyn ypoballei akomh aithseis. Opoy ypoballontai oi aithseis kai egkrinontai oi aithseis - -eyxaristws argotera na sas dwsw ola ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn- - ta xrhmata ayta ftanoyn stoys dikaioyxoys. Apo thn allh meria, opoios diaxeirizetai ayta ta xrhmata exei basei ths yparxoysas kai keimenhs nomoqesias thn ypoxrewsh na ta diaxeirizetai me sygkekrimenoys oroys poy ejasfalizoyn akribws thn kalyterh dynath diaxeirish. Synepws, den einai oti kapoios exei parei ta xrhmata - -kai qelw na katalhjw se ayto- - kai ta krataei ws korh ofqalmoy gia na mh ta diaqesei. Ta diaxeirizetai etsi, wste an qelete, na ayjhqoyn, ennow me toys tokoys kai otan erqei h wra oi dikaioyxoi na ta paroyn, enas-enas jexwrista na yparxei akoma megalytero poso gia na paroyn. Prepei, omws, kai oi dikaioyxoi na epideijoyn ekeino to endiaferon poy apaiteitai.

KORAH: Na sas kanw ena teleytaio erwthma. Dhladh, prospaqei oloys aytoys toys mhnes h kybernhsh na mas peisei oti einai kapoioi anqrwpoi, oi opoioi exoyn xasei terasties perioysies, alla den kanoyn mia filotimh prospaqeia na apozhmiwqoyn me ta lefta ta opoia toys exoyn prosferqei gennaiodwra kai ta opoia twra yparxoyn kai se sygkekrimeno logariasmo.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, panta yphrxan.

KORAH: Ma den yparxei enas problhmatismos oti prepei na ginei mia aploysteysh aytwn twn diadikasiwn; Synexizoyn na einai entona ta problhmata gia tis pyroplhktes perioxes.

ANTWNAROS: Kata toys teleytaioys mhnes exoyn ginei epaneilhmmenws diadoxikes aploysteyseis, ayto poy apokaleite aploysteysh, dieykolynseis. Kai qa sas ypenqymisw mia apo aytes tis dieykolynseis. Dikaioyxoi oi opoioi eixan xtisei xwris adeia se kapoio oikopedo ths perioxhs opoy diamenoyn, phran to dikaiwma, toys doqhke to dikaiwma, an exoyn oikopedo me asfaleis titloys ston idio dhmo h sthn idia koinothta h sthn idia perioxh, na mporesoyn na xtisoyn oxi ekei poy xaqhke to arxiko oikhma, alla sto allo oikopedo. Qelw na sas pw, h Politeia apo thn pleyra ths kanei o,ti mporei kai pera apo ayto poy synhqws ginetai, akribws dioti htan mia idiaiterh periptwsh, ayth poy eixame perysi ton Aygoysto me tis pyrkagies, kyriws sthn Hleia, alla kai se alles perioxes ths xwras, wste na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata poy exoyn oi paqontes.

KAKALHS: H syntriptikh pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs, opws qa eidate shmera sto gkalop poy dhmosieyetai gia logariasmo toy Skai kai ths Kaqhmerinhs, einai antiqeth me tis idiwtikopoihseis toy OTE, toy OSE, ths DEH, twn limaniwn, toy Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy. H kybernhsh se poia synainesh sthrizetai gia na proxwraei se aytes tis idiwtikopoihseis, monon ta symferonta twn epixeirhmatiwn sas sthrizei;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio oson afora opoiadhpote sfygmometrhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs, opws kai den kanw synhqws allwste. Qa hqela, omws, na sas ypenqymisw oti h kybernhsh exei perilabei ayta ta opoia anaferate sto programma ths. An kai anaferate, fer` eipein, ton OSE, o opoios den perilambanetai sto programma ths kybernhshs. Den problepetai kamia idiwtikopoihsh toy OSE. Alla gia ton OTE, h kybernhsh eixe pei me apolyth safhneia kai kata th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy kai sto proeklogiko ths programma kai meta kata thn analhch twn kaqhkontwn ths, poio einai to sxedio to opoio qa akoloyqhsei sxetika me ton OTE. Synepws, oi Ellhnes polites oi opoioi ton perasmeno Septembrio, prin apo oktw mhnes, edwsan thn entolh sth Nea Dhmokratia na kybernhsei th xwra gia ta epomena tessera xronia, hjeran akribws poio einai to programma ths kybernhshs kai to enekrinan.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ton perasmeno Septembrio oi polites enekrinan to programma toy 2004 ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den yphrxe programma stis ekloges toy 2007, opws qymaste. Kai to programma toy 2004, oson afora ton OTE, to ermhneyse ayqentika o k. Soyflias, poy alla ennooyse.

ANTWNAROS: Sas pianw ligo adiabasto.

KAKALHS: Kaqoloy.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas dwsw, eyxaristws, to programma.

FANIDHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema toy k. Soyflia kai qa to riskarw an kai pisteyw den qa parw kamia apanthsh. H alhqeia einai oti oses fores epanerxomaste sto zhthma, toso eseis oso kai o k. Roysopoylos, mas milate gia to hqos kai thn akeraiothta, thn entimothta toy k. Soyflia. Qelw na rwthsw, giati to kanete ayto. Jerete, mas dhmioyrgei thn entypwsh oti se ayth thn kybernhsh Karamanlh o k. Soyflias exei to alaqhto toy Papa.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh ektojeyontai me ola ayta ta opoia grafontai kai ta opoia isxyrizontai orismenoi abasimes kathgories enantion toy k. Soyflia, qelw na pw akribws oti aytes oi kathgories, gnwsths oyshs ths akeraiothtas kai toy gnwstoy ontws hqoys toy k. Soyflia, den exoyn kamia bash.

GKOYTZANHS: ( Den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka me tropo poy den afhnei kamia amfisbhthsh k. Gkoytzanh.

KORAH: Anamesa stoys orismenoys poy epitiqentai ston k. Soyflia einai kai o Epitropos k. Dhmas;

ANTWNAROS: Ta exoyme pei ayta para polles fores. Gyrizete se ena janazestameno faghto poy den exei twra kamia geysh meta apo toses meres.

Sas eyxaristw.

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