Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-12-13

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 13 Dekembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 110605423

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Dekembrioy 2007

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs brisketai, opws gnwrizete, shmera sth Lisabona, opoy se ligo qa pragmatopoihqei h ypografh ths Syntagmatikhs Synqhkhs. Argotera, o Prwqypoyrgos qa labei meros se geyma poy paraqetei o Proedros ths Portogalias kai akoloyqws, qa anaxwrhsei gia tis Bryjelles, opoy shmera to brady qa parakaqhsei se deipno toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. Ayrio to prwi, stis 10.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Xans Gkert Peteringk. Katopin, qa metasxei sthn prwinh kai sthn apogeymatinh, Synodo Ergasiwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Prin apo thn anaxwrhsh toy gia thn Aqhna, problepontai dhlwseis sta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs, opws ginetai synhqws, meta apo kaqe Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apotelei pedio epanaprosdiorismoy twn qesewn, twn protasewn ths kybernhshs gia to Asfalistiko, h xqesinh megalh, kata koinh omologia, kinhtopoihsh twn ergazomenwn; Dedomenoy oti bghke o k. Kaklamanhs, o Dhmarxos ths Aqhnas, kai ejefrase th xara toy gia th mazikh symmetoxh sth xqesinh poreia, giati etsi, eipe, oti h kybernhsh qa parei pio swstes apofaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas exw pei, einai dikaiwma twn Ellhnwn politwn na metexoyn se diadhlwseis, dhmosies sygkentrwseis, synaqroiseis, oi opoies, symfwna me to nomo, ginontai se eirhniko plaisio. H kybernhsh, opws exoyme pei epishs, akoyei tis apoceis sto plaisio toy dialogoy, ths syzhthshs, h opoia ginetai gia thn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, thn anagkh ths opoias exei diapistwsei h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me olo to qarros, eipate thn anagkh ths opoias, ths anamorfwshs toy Asfalistikoy, symmerizetai h megalh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy...

ANTWNAROS: Exei diapistwsei, eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: To exei diapistwsei. Apo poy to krinete; Yparxoyn ariqmhtika dedomena; Giati xqes, toylaxiston, h sygkentrwsh eixe kapoia ariqmhtika dedomena, dhladh, htan kapoies xiliades kosmos poy sthn oysia diafwnhse me thn politikh ayth h me tis kateyqynseis ths politikhs sas.

ANTWNAROS: H megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn --opws exw pei kai sto poly prosfato parelqon, se ayth edw thn aiqoysa-- exei diapistwsei kai to exei diapistwsei se polla epipeda, me polles ekfraseis, oti to asfalistiko systhma ths xwras xreiazetai anamorfwsh. H kybernhsh eixe analabei proeklogika th sygkekrimenh desmeysh, na proxwrhsei sthn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos sthn epomenh, dhladh sthn trexoysa tetraetia. Kai ayto akribws kanoyme. Eixame kalesei, opws gnwrizete, kai exoyme kalesei se dialogo kai toys koinwnikoys etairoys kai ta politika kommata, prokeimenoy apo koinoy na ejeyreqoyn ekeines oi lyseis, oi opoies qa einai oi kalyteres dynates gia to mellon toy asfalistikoy systhmatos.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy, safws fainetai oti epizhta lysh sto Asfalistiko...

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai poy to anagnwrizete.

TSIOYFOS: Parallhla, omws, fainetai apo oles tis mexri twra ekdhlwseis, tis idies anagnwseis fainetai oti exoyme, ta idia pragmata antilambanomaste, fainetai na diafwnei me tis epiloges poy exei prokrinei h kybernhsh. Yparxei men h boylhsh gia allages, qelei o ellhnikos laos allages, diafwnei para tayta me tis epiloges ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno ayth th stigmh.

ANTWNAROS: To zhtoymeno einai na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia toy dialogoy, o opoios qesmika diejagetai sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Otan oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia, tote --opws gnwrizete-- qa proxwrhsei h kybernhsh se ayto to opoio exei anakoinwsei oti qa kanei, sth syntajh toy nomosxedioy gia to Asfalistiko, to opoio akribws qa qesei tis baseis gia thn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Kai qa proxwrhsei, bebaiws, sth Boylh, opws ginetai se kaqe Dhmokratia, sthn chfish twn sxetikwn diatajewn. To zhtoymeno gia oloys einai na ejasfalistei, gia oloys toys Ellhnes, toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, h makrobiothta toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, h ejasfalish twn paroxwn, h ejasfalish oso to dynaton kalyterwn apolabwn gia toys Ellhnes syntajioyxoys kai malista, se baqos xronoy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizete poios edwse entolh gia th syllhch twn enaeritwn, treis wres meta ta epeisodia, o Eisaggeleas h h Astynomikh Dieyqynsh; Kai pws taytopoihqhkan ta stoixeia toys;

ANTWNAROS: Ap` o,ti gnwrizw kai to lew xwris na ypeiserxomai sth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs, thn entolh edwse h Eisaggelia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh k. Ekproswpe, alla me osa eipate parapanw, nomizw oti san na mhn elabe h kybernhsh to mhnyma poy esteile h xqesinh ogkwdhs diadhlwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qewreite eseis oti xqes h diadhlwsh twn ergazomenwn esteile ena mhnyma safestata, katafanestata antiqeto pros tis kateyqynseis ths kybernhshs sto qema toy Asfalistikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Eipe o k. Roysopoylos proxqes, to exw pei kai egw polles fores, se ayth thn aiqoysa, h kybernhsh akoyei oses apoceis ekfrazontai. O dialogos ginetai se ena qesmoqethmeno plaisio kai oi apoceis oswn exoyn na kataqesoyn apoceis sto plaisio ayto toy dialogoy, ston opoio exei kalesei h kybernhsh oloys osoi exoyn logo se ayto to qema, katagrafontai. Prepei, omws, na proselqei kaneis sto dialogo kai na katagracei tis apoceis toy.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo toys ergazomenoys, prepei na sas exei problhmatisei oti enantion twn metrwn poy prowqei h kybernhsh exoyn taxqei sto synolo toys kai ta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Malista, emena moy ekane idiaitera entypwsh kai qa hqela na to sxoliasete, h xqesinh anakoinwsh poy yphrxe sthn ERT, poy logw apergias den eixe programma, poy elege akribws kai to diabazw: ``Symmetexoyn sthn 24wrh apergia poy khryje h GSEE antidrwntas sthn katedafish toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, ston proypologismo litothtas, sthn kalpazoysa akribeia kai anergia''. Otan ayta ta leei to kratiko kanali, fantazomai oti qa sas exei problhmatisei.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw, se kamia periptwsh, apoceis, topoqethseis, ton tropo me ton opoio ekfrazontai oi syndikalistikoi foreis twn ergazomenwn.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pente hmeres meta ta dhmosieymata toy ``PRWTOY QEMATOS'', poy aforoyse thn ypoqesh toy k. Maggina, to IKA, h h Epiqewrhsh Ergasias exei ereynhsei thn ypoqesh, an yparxei kapoia parabash, asxeta me to ti yposthrizei o Ypoyrgos, gia na diapistwqei kai apo tis armodies yphresies an eystaqoyn oi ejhghseis oi opoies exei dwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn apanthqei ola ayta ta qemata. Oi apanthseis poy exoyme dwsei gia ton k. Maggina ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn sto akeraio.

NASOPOYLOS: Sto idio qema, kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh epikaleitai edw kai treis-tesseris hmeres h kybernhsh th dhlwsh, apanthsh poy exei dwsei o Ypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Magginas. Sthn oysia toy qematos, o k. Magginas leei se ayth thn anakoinwsh poy exei bgalei oti den exei kamia sxesh ergasias me th sygkekrimenh oikogeneia twn Indwn oikonomikwn metanastwn kai oti th filojenei dwrean, oti einai h monh sxesh poy yparxei se ayto to qema. Wstoso, sto reportaz ths efhmeridas, ``TO PRWTO QEMA'', yparxoyn dhlwseis aytwn twn anqrwpwn poy lene oti plhrwnontan apo ton Ypoyrgo. H kybernhsh ereyna na brei poy brisketai h alhqeia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Osa exei pei o k. Magginas sthn anakoinwsh toy, krinontai apo thn kybernhsh apolytws ikanopoihtika.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy na epanelqw sto qema ths diadhlwshs. Eipate molis oti o dialogos ginetai qesmika sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Kata kyrio logo, opws eipa, qesmika sth Boylh. To qesmoqethmeno plaisio einai h Boylh.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Ayto to opoio qelw na sas rwthsw einai, gia thn kybernhsh dhladh den exei kamia ajia h diamartyria pollwn xiliadwn politwn;

ANTWNAROS: Molis prin apo liga lepta eipa oti h kybernhsh akoyei tis alles apoceis. Kai akoygontas tis alles apoceis, proxwrei sth desmeysh thn opoia exei analabei enanti, oxi mono twn politwn oi opoioi ananewsan thn entolh toys pros to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, alla kai olwn ekeinwn twn politwn poy exoyn diapistwsei ta teleytaia xronia thn apolyth anagkh poy yparxei gia thn anamorfwsh toy asfalistikoy systhmatos. Proxwrei, loipon, h kybernhsh sthn ylopoihsh ths desmeyshs thn opoia exei analabei.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti h kybernhsh akoyei kai tis alles apoceis. Prohgoymenws eipate oti oi apoceis akoygontai kai katagrafontai. Egw qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Dikhgoroi, mhxanikoi, dhmosiografoi, giatroi, farmakopoioi, diafwnhsan me tis opoies protaseis exoyn ginei mexri twra apo ton k. Maggina. Ayto to opoio eipate prohgoymenws, shmainei oti h kybernhsh qa ``balei nero sto krasi ths'' kai qa diaforopoihsei tis opoies protaseis mexri twra exoyn ginei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenes apoceis, sygkekrimenes topoqethseis, sygkekrimenes qeseis, tis opoies exei paroysiasei. Sas ypenqymizw, gia mia akomh fora, oti mexri prin apo poly ligo kairo kapoioi epekrinan, kathgoroysan thn kybernhsh oti den eixe kataqesei protaseis dhqen kai gi` ayto den proserxontan sto dialogo. Twra, poy den yparxei pleon kamia amfibolia --opws den yphrxe kai tote, giati oi protaseis ths kybernhshs eixan diatypwqei oytws h allws-- oti oi protaseis ths kybernhshs einai gnwstes, den yparxei kamia dikaiologia gi` aytoys oi opoioi ejakoloyqoyn na arnoyntai na proselqoyn sto dialogo. Antiqetws, diakrinw mia prospaqeia orismenwn san na qeloyn na pane to olo qema pisw. Na mh doqoyn oi lyseis poy krinontai apo oloys oti einai anagkaies, oti prepei na doqoyn. Den yparxei xronos gia allh anabolh.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh epanalambanete oti h kybernhsh exei kataqesei tis protaseis ths kai epeidh yparxei mia diamaxh kai mia antidikia kai se politiko epipedo gyrw apo to qema, qa hqela na moy peite se o,ti afora thn enopoihsh twn Tameiwn, poia einai h sygkekrimenh qesh ths kybernhshs; Yparxei genikh kateyqynsh enopoihshs twn Tameiwn, alla enopoihsh apo 155 foreis, shmainei na toys kanoyme 80, na toys kanoyme 20, na toys kanoyme kai pente. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Shmera molis, apantwntas se epikairh erwthsh o k. Magginas sth Boylh, eipe oti oi 155 asfalistikoi foreis exoyn dioikhtikes kai leitoyrgikes dapanes 1,6 dis eyrw. Analogisteite ti shmainei ayto. Yparxei kapoios Ellhnas poliths o opoios mporei na yposthrijei basima oti ena tetoio poso, to opoio mporei na paei alloy --ena poly megalo meros toy posoy aytoy mporei na paei alloy-- oti ena tetoio poso dikaiologeitai na diatiqetai apla kai mono apo thn polydiaspash, ean einai swsth h lejh, apo ton poly megalo ariqmo twn Tameiwn poy yparxoyn; O k. Magginas eipe, epishs, oti apo to noikokyrema kai thn anamenomenh enopoihsh twn Tameiwn qa prokycei prosdokomeno ofelos ths tajews toy 35%. Dhladh, apo ayto to 1,6 dis eyrw, 600 ekat. eyrw peripoy qa ejoikonomhqoyn kai qa mporoyn na pane ws pragmatiko ofelos stoys syntajioyxoys. Einai aparaithto, loipon, na ginei h enopoihsh. Oson afora de ta stoixeia ths enopoihshs, o k. Magginas exei topoqethqei gi` ayta se enan apo toys treis kykloys gia toys opoioys eixe yparjei koinh symfwnia na ginei o dialogos, allo an den proshlqan orismenoi. Synepws, ta stoixeia yparxoyn. Einai katateqeimena, einai katagegrammena sta praktika ths Boylhs opoy egine o en logw dialogos.

TSIOYFOS: H kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh na kanei ena bhma kalhs qelhshs, kalhs diaqeshs --peste to opws qelete-- gia na anaqermanei ayto to dialogo; Stelexh kybernhtika yposthrizoyn oti o dialogos aytos oysiastika exei atonhsei, den mporei na proxwrhsei etsi opws paei, telos pantwn.

ANTWNAROS: An dexqw, poy den to dexomai, oti o dialogos exei atonhsei, o dialogos den exei atonhsei me ypaitiothta ths kybernhshs. Einai anoiktes oi portes toy dialogoy gia osoys qeloyn na metasxoyn. Alloi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi den metexoyn sto dialogo. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti yphrxe mia prosxhmatikh arnhsh symmetoxhs, giati dhqen den yphrxan oi protaseis ths kybernhshs. Twra, yparxoyn oi protaseis ths kybernhshs, wstoso den proserxontai alloi wste na ginei h syzhthsh. Ma, pws qa ginei h syzhthsh otan kapoioi arnoyntai na metasxoyn; Pws qa akoystoyn ypeyqyna oi apoceis allwn otan den proserxontai ekei poy ginetai o dialogos, wste na tis kataqesoyn;

TSIOYFOS: Rwthsa, an h kybernhsh protiqetai na kanei kapoio bhma gia na anaqermanei to dialogo. Sto qema ths xrhmatodothshs, mporei na kanei kati;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ``kanei to bhma''. Kalei synexws se dialogo kai tonizei oti yparxei proqymia, apolyth proqymia, gia dialogo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na eikasoyme apo osa lete oti sthn periptwsh poy den epanalhfqei o dialogos h den proselqoyn, telos pantwn, osoi den exoyn proselqei mexri twra, h kybernhsh qa efarmosei sto akeraio ayta poy emfanizontai ws ejaggelqeises proqeseis;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, o dialogos synexizetai. H kybernhsh akoyei tis apoceis. Otan oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia, otan etoimastei to nomoqethma to opoio qa orizei o,ti prepei na ginei wste na diasfalistei to mellon toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, tote qa ginei kai me akribeia gnwsto poia qa einai h telikh morfh aytoy toy nomoqethmatos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto shmainei oti qa parete pisw kapoies apo tis sklhres apoceis sas. Ayto lete twra.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas eipa oti prepei oi protaseis na katatiqentai.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe oi ypaitioi gia thn xreokopia kapoiwn Tameiwn, qa timwrhqoyn h zhtate na plhrwsei to marmaro o ellhnikos laos, na baloyn plath oi asfalismenoi, na dexqoyn tis allages aytes, alla rwtaw: Gia thn kakodiaxeirish mexri twra qa timwrhqoyn oi ypeyqynoi;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio metraei ayth th stigmh einai to mellon, h ejasfalish toy mellontos gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Kai me tis allages na eiste bebaioi oti to mellon einai ejasfalismeno, opws fainetai allwste apo tis protaseis ths kybernhshs. Alla qa einai kai telika tetoies oi allages poy den qa blacoyn se kamia periptwsh ta symferonta twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn kai twn Ellhnwn syntajioyxwn.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Otan oi kybernhtikes protaseis paroyn th morfh nomoqethmatos, tote qa exoyme ena neo gyro dialogoy;

ANTWNAROS: Otan yparjei to nomoqethma, opws jerete, o telikos dialogos ginetai pleon sth Boylh. Sthn epitroph opoy erxetai to sxedio nomoy kai sthn Olomeleia opoy telika syzhteitai, sthn telikh toy morfh, kai chfizetai. Kai ayth einai h koryfaia morfh dialogoy poy ginetai sta plaisia toy Koinoboylioy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Mhpws exete kapoia plhroforia, kapoia endeijh oti yparxoyn kapoies kataggelies gia poleodomikes ayqairesies Ypoyrgoy ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw pws sxoliazete thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh ths MRB, mallon ena sygkekrimeno ths stoixeio, to opoio exei na kanei me tis prosdokies twn Ellhnwn politwn, opoy mallon den einai kai toso enqarryntikes gia thn kybernhsh, kaqws to 45% peripoy qewrei pws oi prosdokies einai xeiroteres. Ayto mallon, to emfanizei h kybernhsh einai xeirotero apo ayto poy h idia h koinh gnwmh prosdokoyse.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Molis proxqes anaferqhke o k. Roysopoylos stis dhmoskophseis. Eipe thn pagia mas qesh, thn opoia thn jerete oloi. Einai anwfelo na thn epanalabw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den einai, dhladh, ena mhnyma dysaresto pros thn kybernhsh...

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia eyrhmata dhmoskophsewn.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema ayto me tis kameres xqes. Epidokimazei h oxi h kybernhsh th syllhch syndikalistwn alla kai ton tropo me ton opoio egine h parakoloyqhsh kai en telei h syllhch toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, oson afora th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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