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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 5 Dekembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 109411037

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 5 Dekembrioy 2007

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti o k. Mpampatzan paredwse xqes katalogo me koyrdikes organwseis poy drasthriopoioyntai sthn Aqhna, zhtwntas taytoxrona th lhch metrwn enantion toys.

ANTWNAROS: Sxetika me thn episkech toy k. Mpampatzan isxyoyn osa exei pei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw kati se sxesh me th DEH. Eidame proxqes kai xqes, plhrwmenes kataxwrhseis ths epixeirhshs ston Typo. Tis exoyme kai mprosta, alla mh tis diabasoyme. To symperasma einai peripoy oti ejhgei tis ayjhseis toy reymatos ws ejhs: Ayjanei tis times toy reymatos gia na mporesoyn oi idiwtes na mpoyn sthn paragwgh. Emeis eixame thn entypwsh oti h apeleyqerwsh ths agoras energeias ginetai etsi wste na mpoyn idiwtes na yparjei antagwnismos kai na kateboyn oi times. Me poia logikh...

ANTWNAROS: Egine mia makroskelhs --me thn ennoia ths leptomereiakhs-- topoqethsh toy Ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs k. Fwlia, thn perasmenh ebdomada, h opoia ejhgei ola ayta ta qemata. Sthn topoqethsh ayth sas parapempw.

SARANTAKOS: Symmerizeste kyrie Ekproswpe thn apoch oti sthn Olympiakh epibates einai mono oi exontes oikonomikh dynatothta, oi ploysioi dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Den symmerizomai kamia tetoia apoch. Epibates einai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, oi opoioi metakinoyntai apo to ena meros sto allo, kanoyn tajidia sto ejwteriko, episkeptontai ta nhsia, tis patrides toys an einai ektos Aqhnwn h tajideyoyn pros tis poleis ths Elladas.

SARANTAKOS: Einai mia apoch, h opoia perilambanetai se pentaselido non paper to opoio dianemhqhke se boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, xqes kai se Ypoyrgoys kai paroysiazetai shmera sto EQNOS. Gi` ayto kai sas rwthsa. Den einai dikh moy apoch.

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw ayto.

SPYRAKH: Kai egw qelw na rwthsw gi` ayto to non paper giati einai pragmatika entypwsiakh h apokalych toy ``EQNOYS''. Qelw na sas rwthsw an ayto to non paper exei perielqei sth gnwsh kai sthn egkrish ths kybernhshs. Giati yparxei poly sygkekrimenh anafora s` ayto to non paper kai pragmati to xarti exei paei, opws leei kai o synadelfos, sta xeria boyleytwn kai Ypoyrgwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw to en logw keimeno.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw qa epanelqw epi ths oysias toy qematos sthn Olympiakh. Gia poio logo, apo th stigmh poy den einai problhma na syzhtame gia th lysh kai apo th stigmh poy perimenoyme thn epishmh topoqethsh ths KOMISION, gia poio logo anoixthke to zhthma ayto, qa legame, etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Hsastan edw xqes;

PALAIOLOGOS: Bebaiws hmoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw se oles tis xqesines moy apanthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia. Qa kanw tote thn epomenh erwthsh: To gegonos oti o k. Karamanlhs xqes den anaferqhke kaqoloy, ma kaqoloy, sto qema ths Olympiakhs, shmainei oti oi xeirismoi toy k. Xatzhdakh den xairoyn ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw pei oti o kaqe Ypoyrgos xeirizetai ta qemata ths armodiothtas toy, me bash tis entoles tis opoies exei parei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ola ta qemata syzhtoyntai, bebaiws, me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Tetoies ypoqeseis san ki ayth poy kanete ayth th stigmh, den exoyn kamia bash. O k. Xatzhdakhs apolambanei ths plhroys empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KAKALHS: Qewreite, dhladh, tyxaia thn paraleich, ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opoiasdhpote anaforas gia to qema ths Olympiakhs xqes, enw o Prwqypoyrgos anefere oles tis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs gia to epomeno diasthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se polla qemata. Bebaiws yparxoyn kai alla qemata, sta opoia o Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke. To qema ths Olympiakhs einai ena qema to opoio, opws jerete, xeirizetai ypeyqyna h kybernhsh dia toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy toy k. Xatzhdakh. Kai otan yparxei kati neotero, otan yparxei kapoia kainoyrgia ejelijh, asfalws qa thn plhroforhqeite.

KAKALHS: Blepete kapoia diafora ston tropo xeirismoy toy qematos, se sxesh me th gallikh kybernhsh, h opoia, h gallikh Air France, antedrase me prosfygh sthn prosfygh ths Ryanair kataqetontas mhnysh kata ths irlandikhs etaireias;

ANTWNAROS: To Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn --epeidh profanws ayto ypainissesqe opws to ypainissontai kai diaforoi alloi, syndikalistes kai h Antipoliteysh, toylaxiston tmhmata ths Antipoliteyshs-- oxi mono den adranhse, antiqetws dinei maxes gia thn proaspish twn symferontwn ths Olympiakhs, erxomeno polles fores se sygkroysh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. H Ellhnikh Dhmokratia ypo to syntonismo toy Ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn, mesw twn nomikwn ths symboylwn, sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio sthn akroamatikh diadikasia ths 28hs Noembrioy 2007, prin apo liges hmeres dhladh, dhlwse epishma oti exei hdh anakthsei --eisprajei dhladh-- plhrws apo thn Olympiakh ta posa poy orizontai ws paranomes kratikes enisxyseis stis katadikastikes apofaseis ths KOMISION twn etwn 2002 kai 2005. Kai bebaiws, aytes oi katadikastikes apofaseis, gia na mhn yparxei kamia amfibolia, anaferontai se diaxeiristikes periodoys ths Olympiakhs poy den htan h shmerinh kybernhsh sthn ejoysia. Htan to komma toy PASOK. Par` ola ayta, h nomikh qesh ths KOMISION einai oti h anakthsh, h epistrofh dhladh xrhmatwn egine mesw diaithsiwn, opote amfisbhtei to dikaiwma, th qesh ths ellhnikhs pleyras kai anoigei fakelo gia nees kratikes enisxyseis. Den yioqethqhke h qesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, opws kapoioi, eite apo paranohsh eite hqelhmena, isxyrizontai. Antiqetws, h ellhnikh pleyra edwse th dikh ths nomikh maxh. Ayta einai gnwsta stoixeia kai moy prokalei entypwsh oti den anaferontai poyqena.

SPYRAKH: An oloklhrwsate, qelw na sas rwthsw gia to Asfalistiko, giati epishs aisqhsh prokalese xqes h topoqethsh ths DAKE idiwtikoy tomea, se sxesh me tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs. To exete ypoch sas, ypoqetw, to sxetiko keimeno gia na mh to paraqesw.

ANTWNAROS: To exw.

SPYRAKH: Exei na kanei kanena sxolio h kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti apeyqynetai se koinwnikoys etairoys, kanei dialogo kai thn idia wra h paratajh h opoia proerxetai apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias emfanizetai na mhn exei kamia taytish se o,ti afora tis kybernhtikes prwtoboylies gia to Asfalistiko.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws kai to epanalambanw gia mia akoma fora oti h DAKE ws syndikalistikh paratajh, ws syndikalistikh kinhsh einai apolytws akhdemoneyth kai ekfrazei, fysika, tis dikes ths apoceis. Par` ola tayta, qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete thn polyselidh anakoinwsh ths DAKE, me megalh prosoxh, dioti den antistoixoyn ta osa eipate sta osa perilambanontai sthn anakoinwsh ths.

SPYRAKH: Kala, den einai mono diko moy symperasma. Katagrafetai sto synolo toy Typoy kai epipleon, entajei, to oti...

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na katakrinw ton Typo, den einai tetoia h proqesh moy, alla sas diabebaiw oti kalon qa einai na tis diabasei kaneis prosektika.

GKOYTZANHS: Exei kanei symplhrwmatikes dhlwseis o k. Poypakhs, shmera, sas enhmerwnw, poy milaei akomh kai gia ``alazones Ypoyrgoys''.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na janagyrisw ligaki sto qema ths Olympiakhs, giati yparxoyn kapoies eyqynes ths kybernhshs, apo ton Ianoyario toy 2006, yparxei mia etaireia poy onomazetai ``Panqeon'', me dioikhtiko symboylio, Proedro, poy plhrwnontai kai htan etaireia h opoia sthn oysia qa htan h diadoxh katastash ths Olympiakhs. O Proedros ths, malista, gia ena diasthma htan gewponos kai htan o prwhn Proedros ths ONNED. Den yparxoyn eyqynes kai ths kybernhshs poy leitoyrgei mia etaireia ws diadoxo sxhma toso kairo, xwris sthn oysia na exei ergo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa htan poly pio endiaferon na asxolhqei kapoios me to ti shmainoyn gia ton Ellhna forologoymeno, dhladh gia oloys emas, oloys toys Ellhnes polites, ta xreh ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. Ta synolika xreh ths Olympiakhs anerxontai sto poso twn 2,4 dis eyrw kai an telikws ginei dekth h diaithsia, meiwnontai sto 1,6 dis eyrw. Epipleon, oi etaireies ths Olympiakhs epibarynoyn synolika to ellhniko Dhmosio me 245 ekat. eyrw to xrono. Gia na ginei antilhpto kala apo oloys to megeqos toy problhmatos, qa hqela na paraqesw orismena stoixeia: Ta xreh ths Olympiakhs, synolika, einai yperdiplasia h an ginei dekth h diaithsia, miamish fora toy kostoys toy Metro ths Qessalonikhs, to opoio qa anelqei se 1,1 dis eyrw. Einai tetraplasia ths epektashs toy Metro ston Peiraia, poy qa anelqei se 570 ekat. eyrw. Se sxesh me to Parko toy Ellhnikoy, h kataskeyh kai h synthrhsh toy gia ena eylogo xroniko diasthma, poy qa einai, opws sas exoyme pei, to megalytero astiko parko sthn Eyrwph, ypologizetai oti qa stoixisei gyrw sta 500 ekat. eyrw, dhladh to 1/5 peripoy twn xrewn ths Olympiakhs. H apokatastash twn pyroplhktwn apo thn pyrinh lailapa, fetos to kalokairi, ypologizetai na kostisei 650 ekat. eyrw, dhladh to 1/3 pros 1/4 twn xrewn ths Olympiakhs. H anadaswsh ths Parnhqas, mazi me ta antidiabrwtika erga, qa stoixisei gyrw sta 40 ekat. eyrw, dhladh to 1/6 ths ethsias zhmias ths Olympiakhs. Telos, h ethsia zhmia ths Olympiakhs  epanalambanw, 245 ekat. eyrw-- isoytai peripoy me to kostos olwn twn ergwn poy problepontai gia thn anabaqmish twn limaniwn kai twn aerodromiwn ths xwras. Antilambaneste, loipon, oti den einai dynato na ginetai syzhthsh gia th diaiwnish, gia th synexish mias katastashs, h opoia stoixizei lefta se oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Kai ekeino to opoio kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh, me thn eyqynh poy th diakrinei kata thn antimetwpish olwn twn qematwn, einai na brei mia lysh poy qa ejyphrethsei oloys toys stoxoys: Thn apallagh apo ayta ta megala elleimmata, th diathrhsh ths sygkoinwnias, opws sas eipa kai xqes, pros ola ta nhsia kai toys proorismoys entos ths Ellados, th diathrhsh twn qesewn twn ergazomenwn. Prokeitai gia stoixeia poy sas pareqesa xqes.

SMYRNHS: Sygnwmh, epeidh egw allo rwthsa, egw rwthsa, ean h etaireia ``Panqeon'' exei logo na leitoyrgei kai na plhrwnontai kapoioi anqrwpoi, xwris na exei sthn oysia antikeimeno.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes kai sas parepemca sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Ekana, omws, tis parapanw anafores, giati kamia fora sygkrinoyme mikra kai ashmanta megeqh kai jexname ta shmantika kai oysiwdh, ta opoia einai ekeina poy epibarynoyn thn tseph toy Ellhna forologoymenoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Loipon, mas eipate oti h Olympiakh epibarynei me 245 ekat. eyrw to xrono. Dhladh, ayto shmainei oti sta tessera xronia poy einai kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia, me toys dikoys sas xeirismoys, exete thn eyqynh, giati epibarynate to Dhmosio me 900 ekat. eyrw.

ANTWNAROS: Oi lyseis, opws jerete, den erxontai apo th mia hmera sthn allh. Kai milame gia trexonta elleimmata, gia th sygkekrimenh xronia, gia fetos. Oi lyseis anazhtoyntai mesa apo syzhthseis, diapragmateyseis, synennohseis poy ginontai sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Alloi eixan pei sto parelqon oti briskontan poly konta se mia lysh, poy h lysh ayth den htan para ena epikoinwniako texnasma. Kai anaferomai, bebaiws, stis kybernhseis toy PASOK, gia na mhn yparxei kamia amfibolia.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ayta ta xreh poy eipate prohgoymenws oti exei h Olympiakh Aeroporia, exei endiaferqei kapoios idiwths mexri shmera gia na kataqesei kapoia protash, gia na agorasei thn Olympiakh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena tetoio stoixeio.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, apo ayta poy mas eipate prohgoymenws, to symperasma einai profanes. Dhmioyrgeite ta elleimmata kai stelnete to logariasmo stoys Ellhnes forologoymenoys. Ayto kanete. Poios ta dhmioyrghse ta elleimmata, an oxi h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den egine antilhpto ti sas eipa. H Olympiakh einai edw kai para polla xronia mia etaireia, h opoia paragei elleimmata, etsi opws leitoyrgei. Ayto den mporei na synexistei. O,ti kai na exei symbei sto parelqon, prepei na breqoyn lyseis. Ta oria antoxhs twn Ellhnwn politwn, oi opoioi einai aytoi poy epibarynontai me ta terastia posa poy prokyptoyn ws elleimmata, den mporei na synexistei sto dihnekes.

TSIOYFOS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika, alla kai stis programmatikes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs elege oti den qa allajoyn ta oria hlikias, qewreite --gia to Asfalistiko ennow-- oti elege to idio me ayto poy eipe xqes, otan eipe oti den qa ayjhqoyn, oyte qa allajoyn ta genika oria hlikias...

ANTWNAROS: Akribws to idio. Opoios katalabainei apo asfalistika qemata, to eixe katalabei. Akribws to idio pragma elege o Prwqypoyrgos. Kai epeidh, molis prin apo liges hmeres, eixe teqei se aythn edw thn aiqoysa to erwthma oti o Prwqypoyrgos den to eixe pei kai malista mia hmera poy eixe epanalabei akribws tis idies lejeis o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Magginas, ayto apodeiknyei oti oloi aytoi oi isxyrismoi, oi opoioi diatypwnontai apo diafores pleyres oti dhqen h kybernhsh allaje qesh, oti dhqen h kybernhsh metatopisthke, oti dhqen o Ypoyrgos pairnei allh qesh, den exoyn apolytws kamia bash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to Asfalistiko, diabazw edw pera, se mia paragrafo: ``H kybernhsh, apo thn allh pleyra, qa eprepe na eixe jekaqarisei kai na eixe proanaggeilei poia qewrei wrima syntajiodotika dikaiwmata poy den peirazontai, poies qewrei akraies katastaseis kai na tis sygkekrimenopoihsei, pote mporoyn oi opoies allages na ginoyn'' k.t.l. Ayto einai apospasma apo th DAKE, h opoia mallon egkalei thn kybernhsh oti den exei aposafhnisei tis qeseis ths. Xqes, eipate eseis oti h kybernhsh exei kataqesei sygkekrimenes protaseis. Erxetai, omws, o k. Soyflias, o opoios eipe oti qa topoqethqei otan h kybernhsh, meta tis giortes, kataqesei sygkekrimenes protaseis. Telika, ti isxyei; Isxyei h dikh sas h apoch h toy k. Soyflia kai ths DAKE;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Soyflias eipe, se ayto to opoio eseis anafereste, oti qa topoqethqei, opws antilambanomai, otan katateqei to plhres keimeno toy nomosxedioy to opoio qa exei prokycei apo th diaboyleysh, apo th syzhthsh, apo to dialogo, o opoios akomh brisketai se ejelijh. Oi protaseis ths kybernhshs, oi apoceis ths kybernhshs, einai apolytws gnwstes. Den yparxei kamia amfibolia gi` ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, o k. Soyflias epifylassetai...

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti eipe kati tetoio. Oi ypoyrgoi, asfalws, kai to kaqe politiko proswpo exei to dikaiwma na topoqeteitai. Jexnate, omws, mia dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes o k. Soyflias, o opoios eipe oti prepei na ginoyn allages sto asfalistiko systhma. Nomizw oti kanoyme syzhthsh ``peri onoy skias''. H syzhthsh gia to an qa ginoyn allages h an prepei na ginoyn allages, sthn oysia, exei teleiwsei edw kai polla xronia. To eipa kai xqes oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, h megalh, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, exei antilhfqei oti prepei na ginoyn allages, metarryqmiseis, prosarmoges, sto asfalistiko systhma. Kai opoios den to antilambanetai ayto, opoios den qelei na to paradexqei, eqelotyflei. Eipa, erwtwmenos xqes apo ton k. Tsioyfo, dieykrinistika, oti pisteyw pws h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn einai exefrones kai exoyn diapistwsei, anejarthtws politikhs topoqethshs, oti prepei na ginoyn allages. To na kanoyme syzhthsh synexeia, gia to an prepei na ginoyn allages kai na prospaqoyn orismenoi na ``rokanizoyn'' to xrono, den odhgei poyqena. Sas parapempw se ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, oti eimaste apolytws apofasismenoi na antapokriqoyme sthn proeklogikh mas desmeysh gia mia dikaih asfalistikh metarryqmish. Eyqynh apaiteitai apo oloys. Kai osoi kanoyn oti den katalabainoyn, den ejyphretoyn kanenan kai kyriws toys Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: Emena h erwthsh moy, bebaia, htan allh. Den htan ws pros to periexomeno gia to an prepei na ginoyn allages h oxi. Htan gia to oti h kybernhsh egkaleitai epishmws apo th DAKE kai apo enan koryfaio ypoyrgo oti den exoyn ginei sygkekrimenes oi protaseis ths kybernhshs. Egw den menw sto qema toy an prepei na ginoyn allages h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws sas eipa kai xqes  kai to epanalambanw kai shmera, gia mia akomh fora-- stoys treis kykloys oi opoioi syzhthqhkan sta plaisia ths syzhthshs, ths diaboyleyshs, toy dialogoy poy egine sto Koinoboylio, kateqese tis apoceis ths. Ta keimena ayta einai gnwsta. Exoyn diatypwqei, kat` arxas, oi qeseis aytes dhmosia kai ta keimena ayta exoyn dhmosieyqei. Den exoyn, loipon, osoi miloyn gia elleich protasewn, para na anatrejoyn kai na ta janadiabasoyn. Eimai bebaios oti qa anaqewrhsoyn tis apoceis toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia ton Soyflia dhladh den qewreite se kamia periptwsh oti krataei, oti threi apostaseis asfaleias dhladh apo toys kybernhtikoys xeirismoys.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite, an katalaba kala mas eipate oti meta tis giortes amesws qa einai etoimo to nomosxedio gia to Asfalistiko;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw kati tetoio.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate, ayto antilambaneste apo ton k. Soyflia gia ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa tipota tetoio. Egw eipa oti profanws o k. Soyflias anaferetai sto keimeno to opoio qa proelqei meta thn oloklhrwsh toy dialogoy. Den orisa egw kanena xroniko shmeio.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh hmoyn xqes ston k. Soyflia ekane logo oti qa erqei to keimeno sth Boylh. Ara, exoyme epispeysh toy nomosxedioy mesa ston Ianoyario kai oxi mexri thn Anoijh poy mexri twra jerame;

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekeino to opoio jerw einai oti o dialogos synexizetai. Kai otan oloklhrwqei o dialogos to nomosxedio, bebaiws qa erqei sth Boylh, dioti h Boylh einai ekeinh poy qa klhqei na apofasisei.

GKOYTZANHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw gi` allo qema. Ston OTE, ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

GKOYTZANHS: H kybernhsh, telika, ti apoch exei as poyme, peri thn oikonomia; Arxika ap` oti mas elege oti prepei na anoijei h agora na apeleyqerwqei kai qeloyme kai jena kefalaia, na proselkysoyme kefalaia. Otan anoije h agora kai hrqan ayta ta kefalaia, twra einai se mia antiparaqesh me enan apo toys megaloys metoxoys toy OTE, gia to poios qa exei ton elegxo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Otan erqei h wra, qa topoqethqei h kybernhsh armodiws.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qelei h kybernhsh na yparxei kratikos elegxos ston OTE h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Protiqetai h kybernhsh na analabei kapoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia na apotrecei ton elegxo toy OTE apo thn MARFIN kai ta kefalaia poy einai apo pisw, ta arabika;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prin apo miso lepto.

KAKALHS: Ayto shmainei plhrh kalych twn xeirismwn toy k. Boyrloymh.

FANIDHS: O k. Xatzhdakhs eipe oti den qa xasei kaneis ergazomenos thn ergasia toy. Sthn Olympiakh, omws, opws oloi gnwrizoyme yparxoyn kai kapoioi epoxiakoi ypallhloi. Oi monimoi, logiko einai, an kleisei h Olympiakh na pane se kapoies alles qeseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea. Oi epoxiakoi ti qa ginoyn; Giati yparxoyn epoxiakoi poy ergazontai me symbaseis eji mhnwn sthn Olympiakh kai kapoioi alloi poy einai sthn Olympiakh gia 17 oloklhra xronia kai den exoyn akomh monimopoihqei.

ANTWNAROS: Menw stis topoqethseis toy k. Xatzhdakh. Den exw kamia symplhrwmatikh topoqethsh ep` aytoy.

KAKALHS: Se ayto na pw kati. Diabazw shmera sthn APOGEYMATINH oti qa ginoyn 714 proslhceis sthn Olympiakh. Pws to sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena apolytws sxolio, dioti den asxoloymai me thn epixeirhmatikh kaqhmerinothta ths Olympiakhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh milhsate prohgoymenws gia ta xreh kai eipate oti aytes oi lyseis de dinontai apo th mia mera sthn allh, oloi to katalabainoyn ayto. To problhma ths Olympiakhs, einai ena problhma to opoio h Nea Dhmokratia to gnwrize, apo tote poy htan sthn Antipoliteysh kai eixe anaferqei epaneilhmmenws se ayto. Sas qymizw, ligo thn istoria. Meta to 2004...

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas poia einai;

GKOYTZANHS: Dinw kapoia stoixeia ths parametroy ths erwthshs. Den mporw na to kanw diaforetika.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Meta to 2004, eipe oti htan apo ta qemata ta opoia qa antimetwpize, alla oti yphrxe h Olympiada mprosta, poy yphrxan diafores anagkes kai ta sxetika. Akoloyqws qa perimename, na parei kapoia metra pros thn kateyqynsh na lysei to problhma. Anti gi` ayto, o k. Liaphs apo ta prwta metra poy phre, htan oti ayjhse toys misqoys twn ypallhlwn ths Olympiakhs. Yparxei mia anakoloyqia se ayto poy kanei twra h kybernhsh kai ston tropo me ton opoio antimetwpize to problhma ta tessera xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia anakoloyqia sth stash ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh apo thn prwth periodo ths diakybernhshs meta tis ekloges toy Martioy toy 2004, eqese ws stoxo ths thn ejygiansh ths Olympiakhs kai thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn poy exoyn sysswreyqei sthn etaireia edw kai polla xronia. Oi xeirismoi ginontai se polla epipeda. Eisagwgika sas eipa, molis pro oligoy, gia toys prosfatoys xeirismoys oi opoioi ginontai. Dhmioyrgoyntai kainoyrgies katastaseis. Anaferqhka xqes sthn prosfygh mias jenhs etaireias. Ti shmainei ayto: Ola ayta einai dedomena ta opoia kaneis den prepei na ta blepei apospasmatika to ena apo to allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to qema ths Panteioy. Xqes, eginan kapoia epeisodia, mallon me prwtagwnistes kapoioys foithtes oi opoioi akyrwsan thn eklogh enos antiprytanh, katastrefontas tis kalpes. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Koryfaia katakthsh toy foithtikoy kinhmatos sto plaisio twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn, pera bebaia apo tis foithtikes ekloges, einai h mazikh symmetoxh ths olothtas twn foithtwn, sth diadikasia ekloghs twn prytanikwn arxwn. Prokeitai gia mia katakthsh toy foithtikoy kinhmatos kai mia katoxyrwsh twn dhmokratikwn diadikasiwn. Ayth h katakthsh amayrwqhke apo thn akraia symperifora mias mikrhs omadas foithtwn poy empodisan thn omalh ejelijh ths diadikasias sto Panteio Panepisthmio. Tetoioy eidoys symperifores yponomeyoyn to dikaiwma poy exoyn, prepei na exoyn kai prepei na diathrhsoyn oi foithtes, na symmetexoyn energa stis dhmokratikes diadikasies toy aytonomoy panepisthmioy. Katoxyrwsame aytes tis diadikasies meta apo megalo kai gonimo dialogo. Exoyme oloi kaqhkon na tis perifroyrhsoyme me wrimothta.

KAKALHS: Mhpws akraia einai h idia h kataqesh toy nomoy-plaisioy h opoia apodynamwnei ta dhmosia panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: O nomos-plaisio exei chfistei apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn me pleiochfia safh kai adiamfisbhthth kai oloi oi Ellhnes polites exoyn kaqhkon na sebontai toys nomoys.

KAKALHS: Prwta ap` ola h kybernhsh prepei na toys sebetai.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes, o k. Mhtsotakhs o epitimos Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, se thleoptikh ekpomph ekane anafora sto Skopiano kai eipe en oligois oti thn epoxh poy htan ekeinos Prwqypoyrgos, den mporoyse na proxwrhsei thn epilysh etsi opws aytos hqele, giati ton empodize o tote Proedros ths Dhmokratias Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs. En oligois, eipe oti htan se synennohsh me ekeinoys poy diafwnoysan mesa apo to komma toy kai den toy epetrece na dwsei th lysh poy qa hqele.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw pote, opws jerete, ton epitimo Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias.

GKOYTZANHS: Oyte otan afhnei skies;

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sthn episkech toy Toyrkoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Giati h kybernhsh den eqese to qema toy casus belli; H apeilh khryjhs polemoy sthn periptwsh poy h Ellada epekteinei ta xwrika ths ydata, den apotelei gia thn Ellada meizon qema gia na to qesei stis dimereis sxeseis; Giati den to ekane;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti sthn proxqesinh enhmerwsh poy ekane o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, htan ekproswpos ths efhmeridas sthn opoia dhmosiografeite.

KAKALHS: Prin htan ayth h synanthsh...

ANTWNAROS: Eteqh to idio erwthma kai exei doqei apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Eixe teqei prin. H enhmerwsh poy milhsa egw egine th Deytera. H synanthsh egine xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Exei doqei apanthsh. Parapempw stis dhlwseis toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

SMYRNHS: H ellhnikh pleyra, kata thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra, protiqetai na syzhthsei epi ths oysias ta kayta qemata toy Aigaioy; Ennow qemata parabiasewn klp.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei orisqei h episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra.

SMYRNHS: An ginei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei orisqei episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra.

SMYRNHS: (Den akoygetai). Htan gnwsth...

ANTWNAROS: Molis sas apanthsa. Den exei orisqei episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra. Otan orizontai oi episkeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, enhmerwneste.

Sas eyxaristw.

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