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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 3 Dekembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 109076523

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 3 Dekembrioy 2007

Xairete. Kalh ebdomada kai kalo mhna.

" Pagkosmia hmera Atomwn me Anaphria shmera kai einai mia akomh eykairia gia na syneidhtopoihsoyme oti h anaphria kai genikotera h diaforetikothta den einai kai den prepei na antimetwpizetai ws stigma. H ypeyqynh antimetwpish zhthmatwn anaphrias einai ypoqesh olwn mas, einai stoxos poy sxetizetai amesa me thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias enos topoy. Sto plaisio ayto, oi Genikes Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs exoyn ta teleytaia xronia analabei prwtoboylies kai exoyn ylopoihsei seira drasewn gia th dhmioyrgia synqhkwn prosbasimothtas twn Atomwn me Anaphria sta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs. Oloi mas, Politeia, politikes dynameis, koinwnia, o kaqenas kai h kaqemia jexwrista kai bebaiws, oi dhmosiografoi, oi diamesolabhtes ths koinhs gnwmhs, ofeiloyme na dinoyme kaqhmerina th maxh enantia sthn prokatalhch kai toys kaqe eidoys apokleismoys.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 13.00, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Arabikhs Dhmokratias ths Aigyptoy k. Moymparak. Qa akoloyqhsei geyma ergasias.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sxoliasete to prwtoselido, shmera, twn NEWN poy kanei logo gia telos toy ASEP, gia to Dhmosio. Na sas diabasw akribws: ``Thn arxh toy teloys gia to ASEP shmatodotei h nomoqetikh ryqmish me thn opoia h kybernhsh apokleiei thn Anejarthth Arxh apo th diadikasia proslhcewn monimoy proswpikoy sto Dhmosio. Sxetikos diagwnismos oloklhrwnetai sth Genikh Grammateia toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia poia nomoqetikh ryqmish milate;

FANIDHS: Gia to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy, gia toys 145...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poia nomoqetikh ryqmish ennoeite; Ayth toy 2005;

FANIDHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei syzhthqei sth Boylh, dhladh, exei ginei nomos toy kratoys. An yparxei nomos toy kratoys...

SPYRAKH: Yparxei h plhroforia, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti o armodios ypoyrgos k. Liaphs, etoimazetai na aposyrei ton ypo prokhryjh diagwnismo toy prokatoxoy toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

SPYRAKH: Qewreite oti o diagwnismos poy prokhryxqhke apo ton k. Boylgarakh, htan enas diagwnismos kaq` ola nomimos; Giati diabazoyme sto dhmosieyma oti prosekroyse stis antirrhseis ths Anejarthths Arxhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxei nomos panw ston opoio basisthke enas diagwnismos  kai synhqws etsi ginontai oi diagwnismoi- den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

ROYMELIWTHS: Se shmerinh toy dhlwsh, o k. Xatzhdakhs dhlwse jekaqara oti den yparxei etoimo sxedio gia thn epomenh hmera, se o,ti afora thn Olympiakh. Giati symbainei ayto; H kybernhsh gnwrize oti ekkremoyse h apofash ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs kai qa mporoyse na mhn einai qetikh gia ton eqniko mas aerometaforea. Den deixnei oti piasthke anetoimh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Metaferete apospasmatika mia dhlwsh -an egine me ayto ton tropo, opws thn anaferete eseis- otan o k. Xatzhdakhs exei dwsei mia seira apo apanthseis se polla zhthmata. Milhsa prin apo ena lepto mazi toy, katebainontas, kai moy eipe oti erwthqhke apo polloys dhmosiografoys gia qemata ths Olympiakhs. Qa meinw, loipon, se ayta poy exei pei o k. Xatzhdakhs.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw gia th qesh ths kybernhshs gia toys ergazomenoys sthn Olympiakh kai an toys antimetwpizei eniaia, dhladh, kai toys epoxikoys kai toys monimoys. Kai an h dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh to 2005 oti kaneis den qa xasei th doyleia toy, afora to synolo twn ergazomenwn sthn Olympiakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei mia anafora o k. Xatzhdakhs sthn prwth toy dhlwsh, thn perasmenh ebdomada, sthn opoia anaferetai se oles tis kathgories twn ergazomenwn. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

SARANTAKOS: Afora, dhladh, oloys...

ROYSOPOYLOS: 'O,ti leei sth dhlwsh toy o ypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Gia thn kybernhsh, to qema ths Olympiakhs einai qema oikonomiko, diaxeiristiko h einai qema politiko kai ara, mhpws h kybernhsh den qelei dhmosio aerometaforea kai ergazetai gia ta idiwtika symferonta, egxwria kai eyrwpaika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai senario fantasias, to opoio, bebaiws, se kamia periptwsh den antanakla skeceis kai apoceis ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: An exoyn etsi ta pragmata, an einai fantasies, tote pws ejhgeite ayth thn politikh ths kybernhshs na balei loyketo; Dhladh, den xreiazetai h Ellada eqniko aerometaforea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ligo pio synqeto ap` o,ti to paroysiazete.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas to ejhghsete; Th qesh ths kybernhshs zhtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exei ejhghsei o armodios ypoyrgos me poly megalh kai analytikh anafora, prin apo ligh wra, alla kai thn perasmenh ebdomada.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw, ti prokeitai na prajei h kybernhsh, se periptwsh poy ylopoihqoyn oi prwtoboylies diamartyrias twn ergazomenwn, poy mporei na fqasoyn mexri kai kleisimo aerodromiwn. Den to lew ws plhroforia, metaferw dhlwsh ekproswpwn twn ergazomenwn sto MEGA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh prospaqei, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, sta problhmata ta opoia exei h Olympiakh edw kai dekaeties, na brei thn kalyterh dynath lysh.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, alla ta aerodromia einai dhmosios xwros kai oi metakinhseis einai dhmosio agaqo. Rwtw, ti prokeitai na prajei h kybernhsh se periptwsh poy yparjei morfh diamartyrias poy qa kleisei ta aerodromia. Einai nomizw poly endiaferon. Den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai einai endiaferon.

SPYRAKH: Na akoysoyme ti qa kanei h kybernhsh;

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate oti einai pio synqeto to qema, mporeite na mas ejhghsete, ti shmainei to ranteboy toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, pro hmerwn sto Londino, me ta stelexh ths `` Ryanair'' kai h dhlwsh toy oti h sygkekrimenh aeroporikh etaireia einai apo tis megalyteres xamhloy kostoys sthn Eyrwph kai mas endiaferei, mesa apo aythn, na anaptyjoyme ton toyrismo sthn Ellada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An briskete senaria pisw apo thn ypoqesh ths Olympiakhs, den yparxoyn. H Olympiakh exei mia seira apo problhmata, ta opoia exoyn istoria dekaetiwn. Apo ta telh ths dekaetia toy 1970 kiolas exoyn arxisei ta megala problhmata ths Olympiakhs, ``foyntwsan'' sth dekaetia toy `80, synexisthkan. Exei ginei mia seira apo prospaqeies gia lysh twn problhmatwn aytwn. H kybernhsh prospaqei na dwsei, opws gnwrizete -exontas emfantika asxolhqei me to qema- thn katallhlh lysh, se synergasia, panta, me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Giati, pia den leitoyrgoyn oi xwres aytonoma kai eidika se tomeis opws aytos twn aerometaforwn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei mia seira apo kanones, toys opoioys prepei na akoloyqhsei.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, gia prwth fora, toylaxiston ap` o,ti prokyptei apo to reportaz, ektos kai an yparxei kai deyterh, gia prwth fora gia proslhceis sto steno dhmosio tomea, se mia Genikh Grammateia Ypoyrgeioy, h prokhryjh den mporei na elegxqei apo to ASEP. To epibebaiwnei eggrafws to ASEP kai epikaleitai th nomoqetikh ryqmish poy lete kai eseis. Gia poio logo h kybernhsh efere ena nomo gia na parakamcei to ASEP gia proslhceis sto steno dhmosio tomea;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To 2005, otan chfisthke h sxetikh ryqmish -profanws gi` aythn milame, etsi den einai;- egine syzhthsh sth Boylh gi` ayto to qema. Sas parapempw se ayta, loipon, poy syzhthqhkan tote.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pote protiqetai h kybernhsh na ferei to Asfalistiko sth Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia, den yparxei ayth th stigmh. Sas exw pei oti exoyn arxisei syzhthseis. To gnwrizete. Den exei anakoinwsei akomh h kybernhsh hmeromhnia kai oyte protiqetai na anakoinwsei akomh hmeromhnia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qelw na pw, den yparxei enas orizontas, ena deadline, opws leme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O orizontas kaqorizetai apo thn poreia toy dialogoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai an yparjoyn isxyrotates antidraseis kai katebei, jerw ki egw, thn epomenh xronia olos o kosmos stoys dromoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h pollosth fora -kai prohgoymenws den apajiwsa na apanthsw se synadelfo sas- alla gnwrizete poly kala oti den apantw se erwthsh me to ``ean''. Ara, loipon, den exei kai nohma h diatypwsh mias erwthshs me to ``ean''.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hdh exoyn proanaggeilei antidraseis. Stis 12 Dekembrioy qa jekinhsoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, giati moy lete ``an yparjoyn''; Qa yparjoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto lew, me dedomeno oti qa yparjoyn isxyrotates antidraseis. Ayto lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, an protiqetai h kybernhsh (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa synexisei to dialogo, qa oloklhrwsei to dialogo kai qa ferei to nomosxedio sth Boylh.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei h skech sthn kybernhsh gia antikatastash toy k. Maggina, meta tis synexeis antidraseis twn koinwnikwn forewn sto Asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kamia periptwsh den yparxei tetoia skech. O k. Magginas epitelei arista to ergo toy. Ergo to opoio, allwste, einai kai ergo ths kybernhshs, synolika. Ergo to opoio -opws eixa thn eykairia na anaferw, toylaxiston dyo fores se ayth thn aiqoysa- exei analyqei apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo sth diarkeia twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn ths kybernhshs kai exei yperchfistei apo thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Kanei poly kala th doyleia toy.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta th xqesinh apofash ths politikhs kai politeiakhs hgesias twn Skopiwn, apofasisthke gia mia akomh fora na akoloyqhsoyn mia adiallakth stash kai na mhn dexqoyn opoiadhpote nea prwtoboylia toy k. Nimits sto plaisio twn oswn eixe pei sth Nea Yorkh. Ti periqwria, loipon, eyelijias dinei stis dyo pleyres ayth h apofash kai ti problepei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Ekproswpos Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ekane enhmerwsh stoys dhmosiografoys poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Exei dwsei apanthseis, stis opoies kai qa meinw.

NASOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema me to ASEP. Epikaleiste th nomoqetikh ryqmish. Kaneis den leei oti einai paranomes aytes oi proslhceis, h diadikasia, yparxei nomoqetikh diatajh. To zhthma, omws, einai politiko. Qewreite oti h kybernhsh (den akoygetai) kai enisxyei, opws eixe desmeyqei, to rolo toy ASEP me tetoioy eidoys ryqmiseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh enisxyei sthn prajh to rolo toy ASEP. Allwste, ayto exei fanei apo tis kata kairoys ekqeseis toy ASEP. Exei fanei apo tis kata kairoys dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy ASEP. Exei sebastei, loipon, to ASEP h kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos elege kai leei oti to kratos einai o ``megalos asqenhs'' ennoei oti den qa afhsei tipote orqio poy na qymizei kratos; Exoyme kai leme: H Olympiakh bazei loyketo. H DEH spaei sta 6 kai apeleyqerwnei ta timologia gia na dieykolynqei h eisodos twn idiwtwn sthn paragwgh energeias. O OTE ginetai antikeimeno (den akoygetai) agoras apo ton emirh toy Ntoympai. Dhladh, h kybernhsh tipota den qa afhsei sto telos ypo kratiko elegxo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Sarantako.

KAKALHS: Den exete apanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H siwph einai apanthsh, merikes fores.

SARANTAKOS: Problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh oi taseis gia ena neo kyma akribeias poy pyrodothqhke apo tis ayjhseis sta timologia ths DEH; Hdh, yparxoyn kai katanalwtikes organwseis poy lene oti qa prosballoyn nomika th DEH gi` aytes tis ayjhseis kai ekfrazoyn thn anhsyxia toys, enocei twn Xristoygennwn, oti oi times se polla katanalwtika proionta qa paroyn thn anhfora, afairwntas shmantiko kommati twn xrhmatwn toy proypologismoy twn politwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti oi ayjhseis ths DEH einai ayjhseis se ena pososto ychlo, den to amfisbhtei kaneis. Bebaiws, einai poly xamhlotero apo to pososto to opoio eixe proteinei h idia h DEH gia na kalycei, oxi mono tis anagkes ths, alla tis diafores poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei apo mia seira anatimhsewn kai idiws sto xwro twn petrelaioeidwn ta teleytaia xronia, otan den eixe yparjei kamia ayjhsh. H analogikothta twn ayjhsewn -dhladh analoga me to ti jodeyei kaqe Ellhnas poliths etsi wste na yparxei h mikroterh dynath epibarynsh sta mesa kai katwtera noikokyria- einai ayth h opoia xarakthrizei, ayth th fora, aytes tis ayjhseis. Qa meinw se ayta. Gia to qema exei dwsei analytikes ejhghseis h armodia dioikhsh ths DEH kai exei milhsei kai o armodios ypoyrgos.

SARANTAKOS: Egw rwthsa gia to kyma akribeias poy qa pyrodothqei apo aytes tis ayjhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To kyma akribeias twn proiontwn ennoeite;

SARANTAKOS: Akribws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H prospaqeia poy ginetai einai gia thn kalyterh dynath anaptyjh mhxanismoy elegxoy. Opws gnwrizete, o mhxanismos elegxoy sthn agora leitoyrgei kaqhmerina se ola ta eidh twn proiontwn. H eikazomenh ektinajh, opws anaferete, pros to paron einai eikazomenh.

KYRITSHS: H kybernhsh exei thn apoch oti oi anejarthtes Arxes kinoyntai ektos toy syntagmatikoy plaisioy gia th leitoyrgia toys h den exw katalabei kala;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti prokyptei apo kapoia dhlwsh kybernhtikoy stelexoys ayto, gia na sas dinei aformh na me rwtate.

KYRITSHS: O k. Xatzhgakhs, xqes, htan poly aysthros, as poyme, me thn Arxh Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite, legontas ``htan poly aysthros''; Ekane mia dhmosia topoqethsh ws ypoyrgos armodios gia ta qemata ths Dikaiosynhs.

KYRITSHS: Nai, alla exei pei oti qa nomoqethsei kiolas, wste na allajei. Kai qelw na rwthsw, en katakleidi, ean h kybernhsh qewrei oti oi Anejarthtes Arxes stamatoyn thn armodiothta toys sta oria ths poinikhs Dikaiosynhs, opws leei o k. Sanidas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Syntagma mas einai jekaqaro ws pros th diakrish twn ejoysiwn. Epishs, to Syntagma mas exei eisagei to qesmo twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn, oi opoies einai sebastes bebaiws kai ws qesmos kai ws anejarthth leitoyrgia. Oloi kinoyntai mesa sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos. Den blepw na yparxei kapoioy eidoys ypotimhsh kapoias Anejarthths Arxhs apo kamia kybernhsh. Toylaxiston den yparxei apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KYRITSHS: Yparxei, omws, mia sygkroysh edw sto plaisio toy kratoys. Apo th mia o Areios Pagos, apo thn allh mia Anejarthth Arxh, dhladh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi ejoysies poy anagnwrizei to Syntagma mas einai treis: H nomoqetikh, h ektelestikh kai h dikastikh. Oi anejarthtes Arxes exoyn syntagmatikh peribolh, alla den mporei kapoios na yperbei aytes tis ejoysies.

KYRITSHS: Ma, gia na tis elegxei aytes tis ejoysies akribws ftiajate aytes tis Arxes, ean eixa katalabei kala.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, alla den mporei omws na yperbei mia anejarthth Arxh toys basikoys qesmoys poy profylassontai apo to Syntagma.

KAKALHS: Milhsate gia eikazomenh metakylhsh twn ayjhsewn ths DEH sta eidh laikhs katanalwshs, alla o SEB proanhggeile oti safws qa metakylhsei to kostos twn ayjhsewn apo th DEH sta proionta. Prwton, ayto h kybernhsh mporei na to apotrecei, to opoio einai 7+7=14 mexri ton Ioylio toy 2008. Pws mporei na to apotrecei ayto kai giati den paradexeste kan oti yparxei akribeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean anatrejete se polles dikes moy anafores me aformh dikes sas erwthseis  kai malista oi perissoteres erwthseis htan dikes sas- qa deite oti exw milhsei polles fores gia thn akribeia. Ti ennoeite ``den paradexetai h kybernhsh oti yparxei akribeia''; Alimono!

KAKALHS: Den paradexeste oti qa yparjei kyma akribeias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Sarantakos ekane mia erwthsh kai eipa ``stis eikazomenes anafores''. Ayth th stigmh, den exoyme kapoio tetoio stoixeio. Ekeino poy einai shmantiko, einai oti h kybernhsh proxwra se mia seira apo energeies -kai ayto oxi mono twra, edw kai poly kairo- oi opoies na mhn odhgoyn sthn axalinwth energeia twn opoiwndhpote, dhladh sthn kerdoskopia.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi ergazontai oso kalytera ginetai.

KAKALHS: Yparxei kaqestws eleyqerhs agoras soy lene kai to ayjanoyn oso qeloyn. Gi` ayto mporei na kanei tipota h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn eleyqerh agora poy zoyme, perigracate oti yparxoyn kapoioi mhxanismoi. Einai loipon h eleyqeria ths ayjhshs mias timhs kai einai kai o antagwnismos, o opoios leitoyrgei qewrhtika  kai polles fores kai sthn prajh- yper toy katanalwth.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to qema ths Olympiakhs. Epeidh brisketai se ena krisimo stayrodromi kai ayto me aformh thn arnhtikh stash ths Komision, hqela na rwthsw ean isxyei akomh h diabebaiwsh poy eixe dwsei prin apo dyo xronia, an qymamai kala, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos apo th DEQ oti den qa meinei kanenas ergazomenos sto dromo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka nomizw apo ton k. Sarantako nwritera.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe ginetai mia megalh syzhthsh kai yparxei kai entash sxetika me to qema twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn omws den tiqetai ena qema oysias: Oti elegxoyn ena poly shmantiko kommati ths koinwnikhs mas zwhs, otan h qhteia toys exei lhjei pro polloy kai afoy den yparxei synainesh apo thn allh pleyra. Ti skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh me ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exoyme qesei. To exw qesei kai egw edw -kai malista eqesa me aformh th syzhthsh poy egine pro oligwn hmerwn, apo emprhstikes dhlwseis toy Ekproswpoy Typoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- legontas jekaqara ayto poy gnwrizoyn oloi, oi de dhmosiografoi toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz, to gnwrizoyn poly kala: Edw kai pleon toy enos etoys, to PASOK arneitai na synainesei sthn allagh twn proswpwn twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn, aytwn twn opoiwn exei lhjei h qhteia toys otan einai gnwsto oti to 2003 h Nea Dhmokratia entos 15hmeroy synainese stis prwtoboylies poy eixe analabei o tote proedros ths Boylhs o k. Kaklamanhs, prokeimenoy na stelexwqoyn oi Anejarthtes Arxes. Ayto apodeiknyei pragmatika thn eyaisqhsia enos kommatos kai poios sebetai h oxi ton qesmo twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn. Den mporei na ton sebetai kapoios sta logia kai sthn prajh na deixnei oti den ton sebetai kai na mhn ton sebetai.

NASOPOYLOS: Qa epimeinw ligo ston diagwnismo toy ypoyrgeioy Politismoy k. Ypoyrge yparxei nomoqetikh ryqmish alla nomoqetikh ryqmish poy den kaqorizei toys oroys enos diagwnismoy (den akoygetai). H diakhryjh einai ton Ianoyario toy 2007. Exei sygkekrimenoys oroys. Qewreite oti yparxei ena zhthma, otan mesa apo ayth thn prokhryjh prokyptei oti enas ptyxioyxos me baqmo ptyxioy 10, didaktoriko kai 5 xronia proyphresias sto dhmosio me symbaseis, exei ligotera prosonta kai mikroterh baqmologhsh apo enan ptyxioyxo poy exei baqmo ptyxioy 5, den exei didaktoriko kai exei 18 mhnes sth sygkekrimenh Genikh Grammateia me symbaseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh den tyxainei na gnwrizw tis leptomereies kaqe diagwnismoy, sas apanthsa ws mia genikh politikh anafora sto prwto kai sto deytero erwthma. Sto trito erwthma gia to idio qema qa sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio, poy einai bebaio oti gnwrizei tis leptomereies toy diagwnismoy aytoy.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poios einai o skopos ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ntoympai ton allo mhna; Mhpws na ferei ependytes gia tis prwhn DEKO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai. Exei anakoinwqei tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy ekei;

KAKALHS: Eseis qa mas peite. Diabasa oti qa paei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Etsi opws to eipate einai ws na exei anakoinwqei. Den qymamai na exei anakoinwqei. Otan anakoinwqei tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy opoydhpote, gnwrizete oti anakoinwnetai mazi kai o skopos ths episkechs opws kai to plhres programma toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia to Asfalistiko. Qewreite oti h stash toy k. Maggina, oi dhlwseis toy kai osa exei pei kata kairoys xairoyn tis apolytoy empistosynhs kai twn allwn synadelfwn toy ypoyrgwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aytonohto to qewrw ayto.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh yparxei emprakth symparastash pros ta osa leei kai ta osa kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na apanthsw gia tetarth fora; Rwthqhka nwritera, an qymamai gia trith fora. Hdh exw apanthsei dyo fores. Nomizw oti pio jekaqara den ginetai na apanthsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Apanthsate ek meroys toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Egw sas rwtaw pws blepete an o k. Magginas exei thn idia symparastash kai apo toys synadelfoys toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite an exei ek meroys olwn twn ypoloipwn ypoyrgwn;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, nai ek meroys twn ypoloipwn ypoyrgwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa kai sto deytero erwthma.

Sas eyxaristw.

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