Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-18

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 18 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 101301431

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Oktwbrioy 2007

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Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs brisketai shmera sth Lisabona, prokeimenoy na symmetasxei stis ergasies toy Atypoy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Gia ola ta qemata poy exoyn sxesh me tis ergasies toy Symboylioy kai th symmetoxh ths Elladas qa enhmerwnontai oi synadelfoi sas, oi opoioi briskontai ekei apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo k. Roysopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SMYRNHS: To FPA telika h kybernhsh protiqetai na to ayjhsei kai pote; Exei parei apofash;

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs ekane xqes ekteneis dhlwseis kai gi` ayto to qema kai gia alla synafh qemata kai sas parapempw se aytes. Sas parakalw na tis diabasete prosektika --osoi den to exete kanei-- kai oxi apospasmatika kai na mhn tis ermhneyete kata to dokoyn.

SMYRNHS: To epidoma qermanshs h kybernhsh qa to dwsei; An nai, se ti ycos kai se poses doseis;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw stis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate na mhn ermhneyoyme kata to dokoyn tis dhlwseis toy k. Alogoskoyfh, eseis pws qa ermhneyate thn apanthsh poy edwse sthn erwthsh gia toys foroys, oti alles einai oi apaithseis otan kaneis genikoy xarakthra ejaggelies kai alles otan eisai kybernhsh; Otan o Prwqypoyrgos ekane ejaggelies proeklogika, eite gia toys foroys eite gia to Asfalistiko, htan genikoy proeklogikoy xarakthra kai den exoyn kamia isxy twra h exoyn... ;

ANTWNAROS: Foboymai oti parasyreste kai kanete ayto poy sas synesthsa molis na mhn kanete.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na to apokatasthsete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste kai th shmerinh anakoinwsh poy ejedwse to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias pro oligoy. Anaferetai akribws se ayto to qema. Sas parapempw, loipon, synolika stis dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy, oi opoies den afhnoyn kamia amfibolia.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den gennatai qema ajiopistias sto proswpo toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias, poy antanakla kai sthn kybernhsh, otan estw dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis, pws alla isxyoyn proeklogika kai alla meteklogika;

ANTWNAROS: Entypwseis; Apo poion;

FOYRLHS: Den gennwntai entypwseis arnhtikes gia to proswpo toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias, thn ajiopistia toy kai kat` epektash ths ajiopistias ths kybernhshs, otan dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti alla isxyoyn proeklogika kai alla meteklogika;

ANTWNAROS: H pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn --to ypenqymizw gia osoys, gia opoiondhpote logo, to jexnoyn-- poly prosfata ananewse thn empistosynh ths kai aneqese gia mia deyterh qhteia sthn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias na kybernhsei th xwra, ajiologwntas akribws qetika th synepeia me thn opoia h kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh efarmozei oles tis desmeyseis poy exei analabei pros ofelos twn Ellhnwn politwn. Me synepeia h kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh proxwrhse se shmantikes forologikes elafrynseis, gia oles tis Ellhnides kai oloys toys Ellhnes kai oxi mono sto xwro ths ameshs forologias. Sas ypenqymizw oti sth qhteia ayths ths kybernhshs meiwqhkan shmantika oi forologikoi syntelestes, ayjhqhkan ta aforologhta oria --sas lew mono dyo stoixeia-- me apotelesma polla ekatommyria Ellhnes, panw apo tria ekatommyria, na mhn plhrwnoyn pia oyte ena eyrw foro. Alla, shmantikh einai kai h apallagh gia polloys Ellhnes polites apo alles epibarynseis, opws fer` eipein to LAFKA, poy oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis ekanan oti den katalabainan pws eprepe na to katarghsoyn. Loipon, ayth h kybernhsh einai synephs se ola osa exei pei. Kai ayto to anagnwrizoyn oi Ellhnes polites.

ROYMELIWTHS: Pws ejhgeite, omws, oti ektos apo ta senaria ston Typo kai tis plhrofories, yparxoyn kai antidraseis sto eswteriko ths kybernwsas paratajhs, antidraseis toy SEB, ths GSEE, SELPE kai pollwn allwn, gia ena senario to opoio den einai yparkto;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto mporei na to ejhghsete eseis. Egw gnwrizw tis epishmes anakoinwseis twn Ypoyrgwn. Kai aytes oi epishmes anakoinwseis twn Ypoyrgwn einai poy exoyn isxy.

PERDIKARHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an yparxei mia taktikh ths kybernhshs na anakoinwnei ena metrwntas tis antidraseis meta na kanei pisw. Sas qymizw thn ypoqesh me to petrelaio qermanshs kai xqes ta osa synebhsan sthn Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs.

ANTWNAROS: Syndeete dyo qemata ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

PERDIKARHS: Exoyn mia sxesh ws pros thn antidrash omws.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: To qema toy petrelaioy qermanshs. H kybernhsh exei pei ejarxhs ti qa ginei gia to oikonomiko etos 2008 kai ayto qa isxysei. Exoyme akomh poly xrono mexri na ftasoyme sthn arxh toy oikonomikoy etoys 2008. Gia toys Ellhnes katanalwtes den prokyptei kanena epiprosqeto baros. H desmeysh, loipon, ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Deyteron: Sto qema poy anaferqhkate gia thn Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn, yparxei dhlwsh toy Yfypoyrgoy k. Kassimh, h opoia pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh dinei apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Den yparxei tipote allo panw se ayto. Egw antilambanomai thn prospaqeia poy ginetai polles fores na ermhneytoyn mesa apo tis grammes diafora pragmata. Sas diabebaiwnw, omws, oti tis perissoteres fores den yparxei xwros h logos gia tetoies ermhneies.

PERDIKARHS: Wstoso h topoqethsh toy k. Kassimh sthn Epitroph Ejwterikwn Ypoqesewn htan safhs kai akoloyqhse ena paraskhnio mexri na yparjei ayth h dieykrinistikh dhlwsh kai na yparjei kai enhmerwsh  ap` oso gnwrizw apo to reportaz-- apo ton k. Koymoytsako stoys diplwmatikoys syntaktes.

ANTWNAROS: H grapth dhlwsh toy k. Kassimh, thn opoia oloi gnwrizete, den afhnei periqwrio gia kamia apolytws amfisbhthsh.

MPESKENHS: Peran ths dieykrinistikhs dhlwshs toy k. Kassimh, h kybernhsh anagnwrizei kapoio sfalma, estw kai lektiko, apo pleyras toy Yfypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn;

ANTWNAROS: To qema exei ejantlhqei. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

FOYRLHS: Mhpws eiste se qesh na mas diabebaiwsete oti mexri, toylaxiston, to telos toy 2007 den prokeitai na yparjei allagh sto qema toy FPA;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parepemca stis dhlwseis poy ekane xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

ARMENHS: Hqela na rwthsw an ektimate, pws an den eixe eklegei Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias o Tassos Papadopoylos, oi ejelijeis sto Kypriako qa htan diaforetikes.

ANTWNAROS: H ejwterikh politikh den askeitai, katarxhn, pote me ypoqetika erwthmata h me tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis. Gnwrizete, omws, kala oti h synergasia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me ton ekastote Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, me thn politikh hgesia ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias einai pantote poly stenh, filikh kai apodotikh pros ofelos twn symferontwn kai twn dyo xwrwn.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Epanerxomai sto qema toy FPA kai toy epidomatos gia to petrelaio qermanshs. Xqes, o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai o k. Meimarakhs, o deyteros shmeiwteon meta apo polywrh synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, eixan fanera diaforetikes apoceis kai sta dyo qemata. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis epishmes dhlwseis, tis katagegrammenes dhlwseis  sas to lew gia mia akomh fora-- toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias k. Alogoskoyfh sxetika me ayta ta dyo qemata. Kai stis dhlwseis aytes tis opoies sas protrepw, gia mia akomh fora, na diabasete prosektika kai oxi apospasmatika sas parapempw.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh efarmozei oles tis desmeyseis, ara mporeite na epanalabete th desmeysh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qa efarmostei to FPA gia ta epomena dyo-tria xronia.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. Oses fores kai na me rwthsete panw sto qema toy FPA den qa sas pw kati parapanw apo osa sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla (den akoygetai) deyterh apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: H shmerinh kybernhsh, jerete, krinetai sthn prajh. Kai exei kriqei, opws sas exw pei, poly prosfata apo thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, meta apo treishmisi xronia paramonhs sthn ejoysia kai meta apo ta apta deigmata shmantikoy paragwgikoy ergoy ta opoia katagrafontai apo oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Me bash ayth thn krish twn Ellhnwn politwn, h kybernhsh, sth deyterh qhteia ths, proxwrei sthn oloklhrwsh toy programmatos ths kai thn ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn poy exei analabei enanti olwn twn Ellhnwn.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, h kybernhsh ananewse th laikh entolh, desmeyomenh oti den qa ayjhsei to FPA kai twra arneiste na to epanalabete, safws kai kathgorhmatika. Den einai ayto mia fanerh koroidia.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw epaneilhmmenws, tis teleytaies hmeres, me tropo poy den epidexetai kamia amfisbhthsh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ena sxolio gia thn apoxwrhsh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs sthn premiera toy dialogoy gia to Asfalistiko. Ypoqetw oti den ennooyse h kybernhsh syzhthsh me foreis kai malista me proypoqeseis gia ena toso sobaro qema.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, apozhthse kai ejakoloyqei na apozhta to dialogo me ola ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai me oloys toys koinwnikoys foreis gia thn antimetwpish aytoy toy poly shmantikoy qematos. O dialogos aytos ginetai sta sygkekrimena plaisia poy exei proteinei h kybernhsh. Kaneis den mporei na apallagei apo thn eyqynh poy exei na metexei sto dialogo kai na eisferei tis idees kai tis protaseis toy feygontas mesa apo th Boylh. H apoysia apo to dialogo apodeiknyei gia mia akomh fora kati poly aplo. Osoi lene oxi, den exoyn idees, den exoyn protaseis na kataqesoyn. Kai ayto einai kati poy to krinoyn synexws oi Ellhnes polites kai h ellhnikh koinwnia.

FOYRLHS: Xwris na mpw sth diadikasia toy pws apoxwrhsan kai poioi apoxwrhsan k.t.l. apo to dialogo, sygkratw ena aithma pantws toy PASOK poy einai na katateqei mia analogistikh meleth apo thn kybernhsh. Einai ena aithma poy akoygetai peripoy aytonohto  qa elega, ean moy epitrepete na to sxoliasw-- me thn ennoia oti kaneis den qa perimenei na katateqei mia analogistikh meleth gia na jerei kaneis poy brisketai, wste na kanei syzhthsh gia to Asfalistiko...

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK  epeidh me rwtate sygkekrimena gia to PASOK-- to opoio kybernhse gia polla xronia th xwra, gnwrizei poly kala ti pareleice na kanei ola ayta ta xronia, wste na beltiwqei kai na antimetwpistei h katastash sto asfalistiko systhma. Anejarthta apo ayto, h kybernhsh exei pei apo thn arxh oti oloi oi foreis, ola ta kommata, oloi oi endiaferomenoi kaloyntai na kataqesoyn tis idees toys kai tis protaseis toys. Kai panw se aytes tis idees kai tis protaseis qa ginei o synolikos dialogos gia thn antimetwpish toy problhmatos poy afora oloys toys Ellhnes polites. H kybernhsh  sas to ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora-- dia toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ligo kairo prin apo tis teleytaies ekloges, kateqese dhmosia sthn teleytaia Synodo ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias toys ajones, basei twn opoiwn proteinei na ginei h syzhthsh. Den blepw, loipon, giati den proserxontai osoi qeloyn na doqei mia lysh se ayta ta problhmata se ayto to domhmeno dialogo poy ginetai mesa sth Boylh kai opoy metexoyn oloi osoi exoyn eklegei apo toys Ellhnes polites na toys ekproswpoyn.

PERDIKARHS: Prin apo thn apoxwrhsh twn ekproswpwn twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs, sto dialogo poy jekinhse shmera, oi koinwnikoi etairoi kai sygkekrimena o Proedros ths GSEE k. Panagopoylos, zhthse apo ton Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs kai ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias na teqoyn kapoioi oroi, kapoies desmeyseis ths kybernhshs, prokeimenoy na jekinhsei o dialogos, afhnontas isws kai na ennohqei  ean den to eipe kai eyqews-- oti den qa symmetasxoyme sto dialogo ean den teqoyn aytoi poy oroi poy qetoyn ws proypoqeseis oi koinwnikoi etairoi. H apanthsh toy k. Maggina htan oti ``kalo qa htan na mh bazoyme oroys''. Ti exete na peite gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Symfwnw apolyta me ton k. Maggina.

PERDIKARHS: Kai ean odhghqei se nayagio aytos o dialogos, poia qa einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Aytoi poy prokaloyn to nayagio feroyn kai thn eyqynh. Aytoi, dhladh, poy qetoyn oroys kai proypoqeseis.

PERDIKARHS: Den qa eprepe, dhladh, na teqei se kapoia bash o dialogos; Giati fantazomai oti ayto zhtoyn oi (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Exw edw thn omilia toy k. Maggina, h opoia dinei apanthseis se ola ayta ta erwthmata.

PERDIKARHS: Thn exw kai egw, giati hmoyn...

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti thn exete. Aplws to lew kai gia toys paristamenoys synadelfoys sas. Den mporw na katalabw giati orismenoi qeloyn ek twn proterwn na qetoyn oroys kai proypoqeseis. O dialogos den prepei na einai anoiktos; Den prepei oloi na mporoyn na kataqetoyn tis idees toys kai tis protaseis toys; Den prepei na katagrafoyn aytes oi idees kai oi protaseis, wste meta apo ayth thn katagrafh kai thn kwdikopoihsh  an qelete-- twn protasewn poy qa ypoblhqoyn na ginei o dialogos, na ftasoyme se ena apotelesma; O skopos den einai na ginetai o dialogos apla kai mono gia to dialogo.

KAKALHS: Eipate kai eseis oti basei toy dialogoy apo th meria ths kybernhshs einai oi ajones poy kateqese o Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti oi ajones apoteloyn thn protash ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Wraia, alla ayto apexei poly apo to na einai mia sygkekrimenh epejergasmenh protash poy na pairnei  na to pw etsi-- kai th morfh mias nomoqetikhs ryqmishs. Giati ajones exoyn kai oi alloi kai einai gnwstoi. Kai to PASOK exei ajones kai oi koinwnikoi foreis kai ta kommata...

ANTWNAROS: An einai etsi, giati den erxontai na toys kataqesoyn;

KAKALHS: Ti ajia exei na antiparaqesei kaneis toys ajones poy exei kai oxi mia epejergasmenh protash epi toy dia tayta. Giati den kataqetei, loipon  ayth einai h erwthsh-- mia sygkekrimenh epejergasmenh protash;

ANTWNAROS: To zhtoymeno einai na breqei mia koinh synistamenh olwn twn protasewn, twn idewn, twn apocewn, twn proseggisewn poy exoyn ta diafora kommata, oi diaforoi koinwnikoi foreis kai oi etairoi, wste na ftasoyme se enan tetoio sygkerasmo apocewn poy qa einai kata to dynaton apodektos apo toys perissoteroys.

KAKALHS: Se epipedo ajonwn yparxei aytos o sygkerasmos, giati...

ANTWNAROS: As meinoyn, loipon, sto dialogo, osoi apoxwroyn gia na proxwrhsei o dialogos me ayto ton epoikodomhtiko tropo poy molis sas paroysiasa.

KAKALHS: Na oloklhrwsw. O sygkerasmos yparxei, giati kai eseis efarmozete kai qelete na efarmostei o nomos Reppa gia to Asfalistiko. Ara, den einai ekei to zhthma. Qelei pio epejergasmenh protash apo o,ti ...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den qa hqela na balw tampeles, oyte se ekeino to nomo, oyte ston allo nomo, oyte ston paradipla nomo. Ayth th stigmh yparxei ena problhma. O k. Magginas, xwris na wraiopoihsei kaqoloy ta pragmata, eipe shmera oti oloi symfwnoyme sto gegonos oti to asfalistiko systhma ths xwras nosei. Den prepei na katsoyme, loipon, oloi gyrw apo ena trapezi gia na diapistwsoyme ta symptwmata ayths ths nosoy kai na prospaqhsoyme na ta jeperasoyme, na ta giatrecoyme, na broyme lysh oysiastikh, se baqos xronoy, dikaih kai apotelesmatikh gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites;

MELIGKWNHS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean problhmatizetai h kybernhsh apo to gegonos oti oysiastika den kaqetai kaneis na syzhthsei mazi ths. Kai ti ennow: Kanei dialogo gia th metarryqmish ths Paideias sto plaisio toy ESYP. Sxedon apo thn prwth mera feygoyn oloi oi etairoi. Kanei dialogo gia to Asfalistiko, epishs sxedon apo thn prwth hmera feygoyn toylaxiston ta ypoloipa kommata. Giati symbainei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai poy moy qymisate to qema ths Paideias. Kai xairomai idiaitera gia ton ejhs aploystato logo: To PASOK, apo o,ti akoysa shmera, egkalei thn kybernhsh oti dhqen  sas apedeija oti den einai etsi-- den ypoballei protaseis. Sto qema ths Paideias, molis ypebale protaseis h kybernhsh, opws tis eixe zhthsei to PASOK, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs egkateleice th diadikasia toy dialogoy. Exw thn aisqhsh, alla aisqhsh einai mono, oti merikes fores anazhtoyn diafores profaseis gia na mhn parei kaneis meros sto dialogo. Kai sas eipa: H ellhnikh koinwnia mas krinei oloys gia th symperifora mas.

FOYRLHS: Qa hqela na epanalabw thn erwthsh poy ekana ligo nwritera kai na apanthsete argotera, an den eiste se qesh twra: An yparxei kapoia analogistikh meleth gia to Asfalistiko thn opoia h kybernhsh exei sth diaqesh ths kai thn opoia skopeyei na paroysiasei.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoia ejhghsh giati den eklhqh sto dialogo gia to Asfalistiko o k. Analyths kai h Epitroph Sofwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai koinwnikos etairos. To eipame apo thn arxh: Kaloyntai sth syzhthsh ta kommata ta opoia antiproswpeyoyn ton ellhniko lao sth Boylh kai oi koinwnikoi etairoi.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ean problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh oi ejelijeis sta anatolika ths Toyrkias kai ean aytes prokeitai na ephreasoyn kai tis sxeseis mas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

KAKALHS: Qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh gia th syntagmatikh metarryqmish. Symfwna me shmerino gkalop poy dhmosieyetai stoys  FINANCIAL TIMES , h syntriptikh pleiochfia pente megalwn kratwn tassetai yper toy dhmochfismatos gia thn epikyrwsh ths syntagmatikhs metarryqmistikhs Synqhkhs, opws legetai. H kybernhsh ti fobatai kai den proxwrei se dhmochfisma kai den apodexetai th diejagwgh dhmochfismatos;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh poy edwse se paremferes erwthma --xqes, an den me apata h mnhmh moy-- o k. Roysopoylos. Qa akoloyqhqei o,ti problepetai apo tis diadikasies ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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