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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 17 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 101260387

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 17 Oktwbrioy 2007

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O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio to prwi, anaxwrei gia th Lisabona, prokeimenoy na metasxei sto Atypo Eyrwpaiko Symboylio Koryfhs, to opoio qa ejetasei to teliko keimeno ths Metarryqmistikhs Synqhkhs, poy exei ypoblhqei apo th Diakybernhtikh Diaskech kai exei katartistei sth bash ths entolhs poy ths doqhke apo to prohgoymeno Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. H epiteyjh symfwnias epi toy keimenoy aytoy qa einai to kyrio qema poy qa apasxolhsei toys arxhgoys kratwn kai kybernhsewn. Se synexeia ths syzhthshs ayths, qa ejetastei h Strathgikh ths Lisabonas, me emfash sthn ejwterikh ths diastash, se o,ti afora dhladh th qesh ths Eyrwphs sthn epoxh ths pagkosmiopoihshs, kai kyriws, se qemata xrhmatooikonomikwn agorwn kai klimatikhs allaghs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KYRITSHS: Qelete na mas peite th qesh ths kybernhshs gia th nea tropopoihmenh Syntagmatikh Synqhkh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, exoyn ginei, hdh, arketes syzhthseis kai apo thn omada twn nomikwn empeirognwmonwn kai to qema eteqh kai sto proxqesino Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn. H kybernhsh yioqetei to keimeno, opws ayto oristikopoihqhke stis prosfates syzhthseis kai twn empeirognwmonwn kai sto Geniko Symboylio.

KYRITSHS: Kapoia syzhthsh omws den exei ginei edw. Dhladh, nomizw oti oi polites den einai enhmeroi gia to periexomeno ayths ths Synqhkhs, thn opoia qa prosypogracete kiolas, nomizw ayrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ginontai en kryptw oi syzhthseis aytes.

KYRITSHS: Eixa thn entypwsh oti aytes oi syzhthseis, oi teleytaies, gia thn tropopoihsh, den htan idiaiterws dhmosies, alla en pash periptwsei, egw lew ti ginetai sthn Ellada, den lew sto epipedo ths (den akoygetai), alla en pash periptwsei, an qa ginei kapoios dialogos argotera, yparxei kapoia protash toy SYNASPISMOY...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepetai apo tis diadikasies, qa akoloyqhqei.

KAKALHS: Diabazw shmera se reportaz filokybernhtikwn efhmeridwn gia th skech toy K. Karamanlh gia to FPA. Katarxhn, yparxei ena qema an ekfrazete eseis ayqentika tis skeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai deyteron, oi skeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn allajei se sxesh me aytes poy eixe prin apo ena mhna, dhladh oti den prokeitai, den einai sto sxediasmo ths kybernhshs h ayjhsh toy FPA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei, hdh, tis dyo teleytaies hmeres. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero ep` aytoy. An moy epitrepete mia parathrhsh, gnwrizw oti exete mia eyaisqhsia se tetoia qemata: Na apofeygoyme, toylaxiston se aytes tis syzhthseis edw, thn ennoia twn filokybernhtikwn h antikybernhtikwn efhmeridwn. Einai epishmansh, oxi parathrhsh.

KAKALHS: Xarin synennohshs ginetai perissotero.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti, eidika apo esas, den pisteyw oti ginetai me kapoia skopimothta. Pros Qeoy!

ROYMELIWTHS: O sxediasmos toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy ths kybernhshs exei ginei, ypologizontas to petrelaio mexri ta 72 75 dolaria to bareli. Eimaste hdh 15 dolaria epanw. An diathrhqoyn aytes oi times kai me dedomenes tis anagkes ths xwras, yparxei periptwsh na parqoyn ektakta oikonomika metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektakta metra, oxi, den blepw na einai sth skech toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy. Se kaqe periptwsh, to zhthma toy petrelaioy einai ena qema to opoio, eimai bebaios, oti apasxolei. Giati sas qymizw oti antimetwpisame antistoixes ayjomeiwseis -dystyxws, perissoteres ayjhseis kai ligoteres meiwseis- se dieqnes epipedo kai persi.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Einai stis skeceis ths kybernhshs na diplasiasei to foro sta kaysima, ayto poy lene ``prasino foro'' h kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

MPESKENHS: Se ena allo qema kai me aformh mia apokalych apo xqesinh ekpomph, toys ``Fakeloys'', sthn thleorash toy SKAI gia ta latomeia Anatolikhs Attikhs. H apokalych emperiexei to gegonos oti o antinomarxhs Anatolikhs Attikhs k. Grhgoriadhs einai synetairos me ton idiokthth twn latomeiwn. Sas qymizw oti einai ena qema to opoio, opws eixe pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn KAQHMERINH proeklogika, eixe asxolhqei proswpika o idios, exontas diapistwsei ta diafora problhmata. To sysxetizw gia na moy peite ean exete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy kai an qewreite oti einai dokimo na symmetexei se mia paranomh, opws feretai apo tis drasthriothtes, epixeirhsh enas eklegmenos airetos arxontas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anejarthtws toy ti me rwtate, nomizw oti einai adianohto kai mono na moy ypobalete to erwthma ean qa symfwnoysa me mia paranomia. To qewrw adianohto kai mono na to akoyw ws erwthma. Fysika kai oxi. Ean einai kati paranomo, oxi mono egw, kanenas den qa mporoyse na symfwnhsei, eite einai sthn kybernhsh, eite sthn antipoliteysh, eite aplos poliths ayths ths xwras.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o prwhn proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, o k. Ebert, me xqesines toy dhlwseis eipe oti sthn periptwsh poy prowqhqei mia synqeth onomasia, qa prepei na sygklhqei symboylio politikwn arxhgwn, dioti leei oti oi politikoi arxhgoi eixan apofasisei sta dyo gnwsta politika symboylia, toy  92 an qymamai kala. Poia einai h gnwmh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoysa tis dhlwseis, alla den qa probw se kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den gnwrizete an qa epiblhqei neos foros. Epishs, den qelete na peite kati perissotero an isxyoyn oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to FPA. Omws, diabazoyme dhmosieymata -mallon plhrofories- oti erxetai foroqyella kai me ayjhsh toy FPA 21% kai ayjhsh forwn sta kaysima kai foros katoxhs sta akinhta. Ola ayta ta diaceydete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to kaqena xwrista exoyn ginei syzhthseis kai edw kai stis programmatikes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Den yparxoyn dhladh enocei foroi, dhladh, ayto poy elege o Prwqypoyrgos proeklogika...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, sas eipa oti h kybernhsh, stis programmatikes ths dhlwseis, exei kanei safeis tis qeseis ths. Deyteron, o Prwqypoyrgos exei kanei mia safh dhlwsh gia to qema ayto poy me rwtate. Triton, egw rwthqhka hdh aytes tis hmeres kai exw apanthsei. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

XRHSTAKOS: Yparxei epibebaiwmenh h syzhteitai, dia ths armodias diplwmatikhs odoy, episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Mosxa, mesa sto Noembrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

KYRITSHS: Me aformh ena peristatiko to opoio kataggelqhke sth Qessalonikh, hqela na sas rwthsw, an qewreite oti to sxoleio mporei na ypoxrewnei toys maqhtes na symmetexoyn se ekdhlwseis, opws h parelash h o ekklhsiasmos, ean den to epiqymoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti problepontai ayta apo kapoies diatajeis h apo kanonismoys toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias. Den jerw to kaqe sygkekrimeno qema poy me rwtate. Qa parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Den qymamai na exei egerqei sto parelqon tetoio qema.

KYRITSHS: Kai emena moy kanei entypwsh ayto, oti sto parelqon den ginontan tetoioy eidoys qemata gia tis parelaseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti eqewreito adianohto na mh symmetexei kapoios;

KYRITSHS: Oxi, oxi, egw den symmeteixa, gia paradeigma, alla na apeiloyntai maqhtes me apoboles.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Fantazomai oti to Ypoyrgeio Paideias, ean einai eis gnwsin toy qematos, qa to ereynhsei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh to teleytaio diasthma ston antipoliteyomeno Typo yparxoyn dhmosieymata oti yparxoyn diaspastikes kinhseis sth Nea Dhmokratia, shmera diabazw oti o k. Karamanlhs kalei toys 151. O logos einai aytos poy to kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth Nea Dhmokratia;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to exw diabasei, oyte kan to fantazomoyn...

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Den exete diabasei oti yparxoyn diaspastikes kinhseis sth Nea Dhmokratia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai xqes akoma, me phxyaioys titloys...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to eida.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kala, oti kalei o k. Karamanlhs toys 151 gia na syzhthsei mazi toys, oyte ayto to exete diabasei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia peite. Qa moy kanete kapoio test, gia na katalabw poy qelete na katalhjete;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, einai aplh h erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poia einai h erwthsh; Den thn katalaba.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Yparxoyn dhmosieymata poy lene oti orismenoi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws o k. Manwlhs kai alloi, exoyn kapoies diafores me to komma. Kai o k. Karamanlhs kalei toys 151. Eida shmera sthn efhmerida, se phxyaio titlo. Kai erwtw: Einai aytos o logos poy toys kalei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy prokyptei kati tetoio, ap` osa jerw. Kai mallon jerw kalytera.

KAKALHS: Me aformh thn hmera gia thn ejaleich ths ftwxeias, pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti enw h oikonomia paei kala edw kai xronia kai oi ryqmoi ayjhshs ths oikonomias...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allajate qesh;

KAKALHS: Oxi, dikh sas qesh einai ayth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti h oikonomia paei kala edw kai xronia;

KAKALHS: Einai isxyrismos ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me mperdeyete, endexomenws, me kapoion allo ekproswpo. Den gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Ayto leei o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai ayto eipe kai xqes o SEB, oti h oikonomia paei kala gia ta epomena xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xwra mas antimetwpise mia seira apo megala oikonomika problhmata. H oikonomia einai ena problhma to opoio, qa elega, klhronomhsame, etsi opws eixe katanthsei. Elleimmata sto ycos toy 8% den epitrepoyn se kanenan na pei oti h oikonomia phgaine kala. Egine, loipon, mia seira apo polles prospaqeies gia na beltiwqoyn ta pragmata. Dhlwsame  kai to epanalambanw- oti emeis exoyme kanei para polla pros thn kateyqynsh ths beltiwshs ths oikonomias. Qeloyme na ginoyn akomh perissotera kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh doyleyoyme. Ara, loipon, prwth parathrhsh. Akoyw th deyterh.

KAKALHS: Na moy epitrecete na parathrhsw kai egw oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei diaforetikh apoch, giati leei oti paei kala h oikonomia kai ayto eipe kai sto SEB, oti qa paei akomh kalytera kai ta epomena xronia. Anejarthta apo ayto, omws, trexei me ryqmo 4% toylaxiston h anaptyjh ta teleytaia xronia kai to idio peripoy etrexe kai epi PASOK.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Janadiakoptw. Eipate epi lejei ``h oikonomia paei kala edw kai xronia''. Janalew, loipon: H oikonomia mas antimetwpise mia seira apo problhmata, me prwto ap` ola ta elleimmata. Den qa paw sta xreh, den qa paw se alla. Ayta nomizw oti ta gnwrizei kaqe Ellhnas poliths. Ayta gnwstopoihqhkan me ton tranotero dynato tropo, meta th gnwsth apografh, poy egine apo emas kai me th synergasia stelexwn ths EUROSTAT. Ara, loipon, den mporei kaneis na yposthrijei oti h oikonomia phgaine kala. Ekeino poy mporei na yposthrijei einai oti exoyn ginei shmantikes prospaqeies apo thn kybernhsh gia na beltiwqei to klima.

KAKALHS: Wraia. Gia na synennooymaste, h oikonomia ayjanetai me ryqmoys toylaxiston 4% ta teleytaia xronia, dhladh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai alhqeia. Nai, h anaptyjh einai 4% kai parapanw.

KAKALHS: Ara, ayjanetai o egxwrios paragomenos ploytos. Parola ayta, yparxoyn toylaxiston 2.200.000 anqrwpoi sth xwra mas poy zoyn katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias kai ayto den exei allajei kaqoloy, oyte epi twn kybernhsewn twn dikwn sas. Malista, den yparxoyn kai stoixeia gia ta teleytaia xronia, alla to piqanon einai na exei ayjhqei aytos o ariqmos. Pws ejhgeite ayth thn antifash, apo th mia na ayjanetai o paragomenos ploytos, alla h ftwxeia na mhn antimetwpizetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos ekane eidikh anafora sth DEQ, milwntas gia tis koinwnikes dioxeteyseis kai gia thn anagkh na allajei o tropos me ton opoio ftanoyn ta xrhmata pros toys polites, otan didetai mia seira apo programmata, toso apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oso kai apo ta esoda toy Proypologismoy gia tetoioy eidoys draseis. Xreiazetai mia anadiarqrwsh, sthn opoia kai proxwroyme. Malista, o Prwqypoyrgos edwse to paradeigma  ean qymaste- oti xwres ths Boreias Eyrwphs me ta idia pososta koinwnikwn dioxeteysewn, exoyn ws pros thn apotelesmatikothta toys terastia diafora se sxesh me thn Ellada. To egxeirhma den einai eykolo. Xreiazetai allagh ths diarqrwshs panw apo ola, gia na mporesoyme na exoyme kai apotelesma ston kaqe Ellhna polith, o opoios zei ayth th stigmh katw apo ta oria ths ftwxeias, opws exoyn prosdioristei apo ta eyrwpaika dedomena.

KAKALHS: Me tetoia programmata, omws, ftwxeias, me tetoia epidomatika programmata qa antimetwpistei h ftwxeia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me programmata antimetwpizetai.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Thn idia stigmh, omws, oi qeseis ergasias poy dhmioyrgoyntai -poy einai basiko zhthma h katapolemhsh ths anergias gia thn katapolemhsh ths ftwxeias- sto synolo toys sxedon, epta stoys deka einai merikhs apasxolhshs kai merikhs asfalishs, na to pw etsi. Ara, pws qa antimetwpisete th ftwxeia; Mono me epidothseis; Qa pate ta 470 sta 500 eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h logikh twn epidomatikwn politikwn den einai mia anaptyjiakh logikh. Ta epidomata sigoyra bohqoyn sto na kalytereysei th zwh toy o kaqenas. Alla otan miloyme gia anqrwpoys poy einai anergoi, to epidoma einai to ena, alla den einai to apan. H logikh ayths ths kybernhshs kai h logikh olwn twn sygxronwn oikonomiwn: Einai na enisxysei th dynatothta toy kaqe polith na maqei perissotera, na dieyrynei toys orizontes toy, na ekpaideytei se tomeis peran aytwn me toys opoioys asxolhqhke -efoson brisketai sthn anergia- gia na mporesei na anoijei neoys orizontes sth zwh toy. Ayth einai kai h logikh twn programmatwn.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa epanelqw sto Skopiano. Oi apofaseis toy Symboylioy Politikwn Arxhgwn toy '92 einai desmeytikes gia thn kybernhsh shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to Skopiano exoyme pei tosa polla, poy den krinw skopimo na pw tipote perissotero.

MPESKENHS: Ep` aytoy k. Ekproswpe: Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno kataggelias ths endiameshs symfwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to Skopiano exoyme pei tosa polla poy den krinw skopimo na pw tipote perissotero.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qelw na sas rwthsw gia kati allo kai den qa zhthsw to sxolio sas gia kati poy symbainei se ena allo komma, sto PASOK dhladh. Qelw to sxolio sas gi` ayth th sxesh politikoy systhmatos kai polith. Pws loipon sxoliazete thn apokalych-empneysh h kata alloys texnasma na proteinei to PASOK thn k. Gennhmata ws epikefalhs toy chfodeltioy epikrateias, gnwrizontas oti h paratypia ayths ths ypochfiothtas eprokeito na katadeixqei meteklogikws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H paratypia ayth anadeixqh proeklogikws, opws ofeile na kanei, me bash to Syntagma kai toys nomoys, to dikasthrio poy asxolhqhke. Ara, loipon, h syzhthsh poy egine tote anedeije to problhma. H syzhthsh poy ginetai shmera afora perissotero eswkommatikes antiparaqeseis kai ligotero thn koinwnia.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Sxeseis polith kai politikoy systhmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqenas mporei na krinei. Epeidh einai poly lepto to qema, otan exeis se ena megalo komma, opws einai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, diadikasia ekloghs neoy arxhgoy, dokimo kai swfron apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs -endexomenws kai twn allwn kommatwn, alla egw den omilw ek meroys allwn kommatwn- einai h topoqethsh na mhn mpainei se leptomereies gi` aytes tis diadikasies, alla na menei sthn oysia ths genikhs politikhs. Sto oti, dhladh, h eyxh olwn einai na oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies se ena megalo komma, opws einai to PASOK, me ton kalytero dynato, me dhmokratiko tropo.

MPESKENHS: Kratw tis apanthseis sas twn prohgoymenwn hmerwn sxetika me toys ekfrazontes diafwnies boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayto poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw einai, ean ektima h kybernhsh oti yparxoyn endexomenws kapoies diatypwseis apo boyleytes poy exoyn ekfygei twn oriwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ginetai mia prospaqeia  to katalabainw, hmoyn 20 xronia dhmosiografos- na dhmioyrghqoyn orismenes entypwseis, oxi pantote apo skopimothta. Antilambanomai oti h diatypwsh mias qeshs mporei na parei diastash sthn klimaka apo to 1 ews to 10. Kaqenas, analoga me th dhmosiografikh proseggish poy kanei, dinei ayth th diastash. Thn kybernhtikh diastash thn exw dwsei me dhlwseis poy ekana tis teleytaies hmeres, otan rwthqhka sxetikws. Nomizw oti siga-siga qa prepei kai oi dhmosiografoi na ekpaideyontai sto oti sthn politikh yparxoyn kai antiqetes apoceis, opws kai sth dhmosiografia yparxoyn antiqetes apoceis. Fantazomai sto Meso poy ergazeste den exete oloi thn idia apoch. Sta genika qemata mporei na exete thn idia apoch. Kai ayto symbainei sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias. Omws, mhn caxnoyme na anakalycoyme pragmata ekei poy den yparxoyn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayth thn apanthsh poy dwsate sto synadelfo, giati den th dwsate se emena prohgoymenws, alla afhsate na me ``malwsete'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme kai zhlies twra;

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oxi zhlies. Alla dierwtwmai: Giati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy kanate ena test prohgoymenws kai den to katalaba.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kanena test.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na mporw na apanthsw.

MPESKENHS: Pantws, ean moy epitrepete ep` aytoy, ayto poy sas metefera einai apoch poy ekfrazetai apo kybernhtika stelexh. Den einai qesh dhmosiografikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na milhsete pio sygkekrimena;

MPESKENHS: Oxi. Dioti den einai epishmes dhlwseis kai ws ek toytoy qa htan entelws askopo na tis (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, se mh epishmes dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei h den exoyn ginei kai kataskeyazontai apo orismenoys, moy zhtate na kanw egw mia epishmh dhlwsh.

MPESKENHS: Den zhthsa epi twn dhlwsewn, omws. Sas rwthsa epi toy genikoy, ean qewreite oti yparxoyn...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai sas apanthsa.

MPESKENHS: ... an exoyn bgei apo to orio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa, protrepontas sas kiolas, oxi mono esas proswpika, alla osoi asxoloyntai me ta toy dhmosioy bioy, na blepoyn oti mia apoch, otan diatypwnetai, kanei kalo sth Dhmokratia, den kanei kako. Exoyme to parajeno fainomeno na erxetai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos enwpion sas  kai oxi mono twra, alla polles fores sto parelqon- na sas leei oti mia diaforetikh apoch kanei kalo sth Dhmokratia. Kai emeis sth Nea Dhmokratia exoyme th dynatothta na antejoyme ayth th diaforetikh apoch kai sxedon na kathgoreitai gi` ayto, eite o men, eite h de. Se kaqe periptwsh, sas qymizw oti oloi oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias enekrinan tis programmatikes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs. Epishs, se kaqe periptwsh, sas qymizw oti oi dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei mexri kai gia tis opoies eklhqhn na kanw kapoio sxolio, den dhmioyrgoyn kanena apolytws problhma sth Nea Dhmokratia, sthn kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Paremferes einai. Pisteyete oti h meteklogikh pragmatikothta sth Nea Dhmokratia twn 152 edrwn, me tis opoies diaforopoihseis, apoxrwseis en pash periptwsei, boyleytwn, den to ajiologw ayth th stigmh, synhgorei yper ths allaghs toy eklogikoy nomoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia ton eklogiko nomo exei milhsei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos stis programmatikes dhlwseis. Den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero. Eimai bebaios oti qa ginei makra syzhthsh otan erqei to sxetiko nomosxedio sth Boylh.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, thn apoch ayth oti dhlwseis diaforetikes apo boyleytes kanoyn kalo sth Dhmokratia, eixate kai pro dietias otan proekyce h diagrafh toy tote boyleyth k. Polyzoy gia dhlwseis toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ma exei shmasia h kaqe dhlwsh. Ean parakoloyqhsete ayta poy lew diaxronika, qa deite oti den exei kamia diafora ayto poy lew egw. Mallon qa prepei na balete sth klimaka toy 1 ews 10 kai na deite kata poso h kritikh poy askeitai pros thn kybernhsh einai sta idia pososta kaqe fora. Ennow sthn idia klimaka.

ROYMELIWTHS: O Ypoyrgos Amynas se mia prospaqeia na enisxysei to rolo twn boyleytwn, poy metexoyn sthn epitroph Amynas, toys kalese sto Ypoyrgeio kai toys zhthse na energopoihqoyn perissotero. Skopeyoyn kai alloi Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs na yioqethsoyn thn politikh toy k. Meimarakh etsi wste na symmetexoyn perissotero oi boyleytes sth diamorfwsh politikhs, to kybernhtiko ergo kai na stamathsei h gkrinia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qymaste kala, ayto einai protroph toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Ara, einai politikh toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn opoia, ap oti moy lete, o k. Meimarakhs hdh akoloyqei. Kai fantazomai akoloyqoyn kai alloi Ypoyrgoi, oxi mono o k. Meimarakhs.

KORAH: Otan o k. Karaogloy kathgorhse ton k. Alogoskoyfh, oyte ligo oyte poly, oti ekane gkafa me thn ypoqesh twn kaysimwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se poia dhlwsh anafereste;

KORAH: Dhlwsh sto radiofwno.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se poia dhlwsh;

KORAH: Toy k. Karaogloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poia omws; Giati exei kanei dyo dhlwseis. Anafereste sthn prwth, th deyterh kai tis dyo;

KORAH: Dhladh eipe oti h gkafa, den einai gkafa; Egw den eida sthn dieykrinistikh toy dhlwsh na pairnei to sygkekrimeno oro pisw, an moy epitrepete. Mporw na synexisw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eleyqera.

KORAH: Otan o k. Tsiartswnhs th mia mera qetei qema gia th DEH kai thn allh gia to epidoma qermanshs, otan o k. Panagiwtopoylos kai o k. Manwlhs milane gia to Asfalistiko kai lene oti oi protaseis Gkargkana den qa perasoyn, otan exoyme apoxwrhsh boyleytwn apo tis chfofories gia tis Koinoboyleytikes Epitropes ths Neas Dhmokratias, otan o k. Manwlhs paraiteitai, epishs, apo thn Epitroph Koinwnikwn Ypoqesewn dioti o idios hqele thn Oikonomikwn. Kai otan xqes o k. Ebert- h teleytaia periptwsh- milhse kai gia FPA, katekrine thn periptwsh ayjhshs kai milhse bebaiws, eipe oti den prokeitai na perasei, synqeth onomasia twn Skopiwn, ola ayta dinoyn thn entypwsh oti h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias leitoyrgei ws mia groqia, opws th qelei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw pws akribws exete fantastei to leitoyrghma toy boyleyth. Giati ki egw, sthn efhmerida opoy ergazeste, exw diabasei polles fores oti oi boyleytes syntaxqhkan se mia grammh toy A h toy B kommatos. Exete kapoia sygkekrimenh apoch pws prepei na leitoyrgoyn oi boyleytes; Dhladh, prepei na einai syntetagmenoi se mia grammh h na mhn einai; Dioti an dexqw ws kathgoria ayto poy diabazw sthn efhmerida sas, oti syntaxqhkan oi boyleytes sthn tade chfoforia, tote den mporw na dexqw kai thn erwthsh poy moy kanate. Kai to antistrofo, fantazomai. Dhladh, an zhtate apo thn politikh na exei mia eniaia apoch kai mia staqerh qesh, nomizw oti to antistoixo prepei na zhtaei kapoios kai apo th dhmosiografia. Den kanw maqhmata, alla anarwtiemai ti akribws einai ayto to opoio anazhtate.

KORAH: Den mporeite na sygkrinete omws to dhmosiografo me to boyleyth. Einai teleiws diaforetika pragmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai den mporw. Einai teleiws diaforetika ta leitoyrghmata. Alla mporw na sygkrinw th logikh me th logikh. 'H en pash periptwsei na krinw me th logikh. Eseis dhladh qelete boyleytes oi opoioi na exoyn apoch h na mhn exoyn apoch;

KORAH: Egw den qelw tipota. Eseis ti qelete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dioti, otan einai syntetagmenoi se mia grammh kai chfizoyn kati sygkekrimeno oloi oi boyleytes, tote diabazw dhmosieymata ``syntetagmenoi oloi chfisan san probata'' etsi den lete polles fores; Den to grafete ayto stis efhmerides sas; Malista. Otan loipon exoyme apoch apo toys boyleytes, ayto pali einai kako.

KORAH: Egw proswpika eimai yper ths eleyqerias twn boyleytwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly xairomai poy sas akoyw.

XIDIROGLOY: Qa blepei o Prwqypoyrgos se takta xronika diasthmata toys boyleytes; Dhladh, yparxei ena programma wste na toys blepei, na einai se syxnh epafh mazi toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw programma na sas anakoinwsw, alla o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias apo kairoy eis kairon. Den einai kati asynhqes.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs milwntas xqes sto Geniko Symboylio toy SEB, eipe oti sthn periptwsh poy apo th metarryqmish toy asfalistikoy systhmatos prokycei ejoikonomhsh dhmosiwn porwn gia to 2008, ayth qa odhghsei se meiwsh toy elleimmatos peran twn problepomenwn. Pws prosdoka h kybernhsh oti mporei na yparjei ejoikonomhsh apo th metarryqmish toy Asfalistikoy; Mhpws me th meiwsh ths kratikhs symmetoxhs sto Asfalistiko; Giati kai sto IKA ayto kanate. Meiwsate th symmetoxh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na sas dwsw mia apanthsh. Ayth thn wra, omws, o k. Alogoskoyfhs dinei mia synenteyjh Typoy kai einai piqanon na erwthqei. Se kaqe periptwsh mporw na ton rwthsw kai na exw kapoia leptomeresterh apanthsh se prosexh synanthsh mas.

KAKALHS: Ti ennoeitai ``prosexh'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa leipw ayrio sthn Portogalia, gi ayto to eipa.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Sto prohgoymeno erwthma toy synadelfoy, qelw na rwthsw: O Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me toys boyleytes kat idian h opws exoyme synhqisei se deipna ana omades, alfabhtika an qymamai thn prohgoymenh fora; Ennow apo dw kai pera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me kaqe tropo. Opws kai prin. Opws kai prin etsi kai twra.

Sas eyxaristw.

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