Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-12

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 12 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 100447570

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 2007

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Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti brisketai sto stadio ths telikhs proetoimasias egkyklios toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, me qema thn katagrafh kaqe eidoys oxhmatwn, meswn, ejoplismoy kai alloy paremferoys ylikoy poy diaqetoyn oi Nomarxies olhs ths xwras, alla kai idiwtes, yliko to opoio mporei na einai xrhsimo stis periptwseis fysikwn katastrofwn. Ginetai dhladh h katagrafh aytoy toy ylikoy egkairws apo thn kentrikh yphresia, en prokeimenw to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, wste, an xreiastei, na gnwrizoyme ti kai poy yparxei kai pws mporei na diateqei h na metaferqei apo ton ena nomo se geitoniko nomo, se periptwsh mias tetoias fysikhs katastrofhs. Symfwna me tis plhrofories poy exw, h egkyklios ayth piqanon na ekdoqei kai shmera kata th diarkeia ths hmeras. Kai anamenontai katopin, opws me enhmerwse o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, mesa se 20 peripoy hmeres, oi apanthseis twn organwn ths topikhs aytodioikhshs.

Meta to telos ths enhmerwshs, qa sas dianemhqei apo synergates moy, ena eggrafo me mia kwdikopoihsh odhgiwn pros to koino, gia thn prolhch kai antimetwpish ektakths anagkhs poy proerxetai apo plhmmyres. Oi odhgies aytes syntaxqhkan apo koinoy apo to Arxhgeio ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, to Arxhgeio toy Pyrosbestikoy Swmatos kai th Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Exoyn oysiastikh kai praktikh shmasia, afoy ejhgoyn se oloys, me apolyth safhneia --qa to deite allwste-- ti prepei na kanoyn oi polites, pws prepei na symperiferqoyn an ginei mia tetoia katastrofh, ti prepei na apofygoyn. Oi odhgies aytes qa dianemhqoyn epishs egkairws pros ta organa ths topikhs aytodioikhshs, dhladh tis Nomarxies, toys Dhmoys kai tis Koinothtes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anhsyxoyn thn kybernhsh oi polles ekfraseis dysareskeias twn boyleytwn toy kybernwntos kommatos, opws ekfrasthkan xqes me th systash twn epitropwn ths Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eida kamia ekfrash dysareskeias. Na sas ypenqymisw oti kaqe boyleyths einai eleyqeros. H eleyqeria toy boyleyth katoxyrwnetai, opws jerete, ston Kanonismo ths Boylhs kai panw ap` ola sto Syntagma.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh eipate oti den eidate kamia dysareskeia, toy k. Giannh Manwlh, ti einai; Den einai dysareskeia;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh moy htan synolikh kai safhs.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, enocei kai toy anoigmatos toy Asfalistikoy poy einai ena meizon qema, aytes oi katastaseis aposyspeirwshs sto xwro ths sympoliteyshs, malista o k. Manwlhs shmera elege oti endexetai na paraithqei an ylopoihqoyn oi protaseis Gkargkana gia to Asfalistiko, genika ayth h katastash bohqa sthn epilysh enos tetoioy kaytoy qematos;

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai para poly poy moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw mia synolikh anakefalaiwsh pros to telos ths ebdomadas twn oswn exoyn eipwqei sthn aiqoysa kaq` olh th diarkeia ths ebdomadas. Den qa symfwnhsw bebaia me toys poly dramatikoys oroys toys opoioys xrhsimopoihsate eisagwgika sthn topoqethsh sas. Na sas ypenqymisw oti emeis pisteyoyme, opws allwste exoyme pei polles fores ton teleytaio kairo, oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn antilambanetai thn anagkh poy yparxei na breqoyn apo oloys apodektes lyseis gia ta qemata poy anakyptoyn sto asfalistiko systhma. Kai oi lyseis aytes, qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti qa breqoyn mesa apo ena systhmatiko, epoikodomhtiko, xrhsimo, wfelimo kai se teleytaia analysh, kai apotelesmatiko dialogo. Prosblepoyme oloi se ayto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sigoyra o kaqe boyleyths einai eleyqeros na exei thn apoch toy. Kybernhtikh apoch thn opoia qa akoloyqhsoyn aytoi oi boyleytes yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa pw gia mia akomh fora oti o Prwqypoyrgos egkaira, prin apo tis ekloges, exei topoqethqei paroysiazontas toys ajones poy emeis qewroyme oti einai h bash ths syzhthshs gyrw apo thn opoia qa eprepe na peristrafei h prospaqeia gia thn antimetwpish opoiwn qematwn yparxoyn. Ayta einai gnwsta.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ara, na ypoqesoyme oti oi boyleytes oi opoioi ekfrazoyn aytes tis apoceis, briskontai sth grammh toy k. Karamanlh; O k. Karamanlhs diafwnei me ton k. Gkargkana;

ANTWNAROS: Se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis qeseis ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Den to exei kanei pote h kybernhsh kai den qa to kanei oyte ayth th fora. Ekproswpw thn kybernhsh apo ayto edw to bhma kai h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Prosblepoyme se ena dialogo ston opoio qa metasxoyn oloi osoi exoyn klhqei na metasxoyn kai elpizoyme oti qa eisferoyn tis idees toys, tis apoceis toys, tis protaseis toys, wste o dialogos, opws sas eipa, na einai gonimos, na einai oysiastikos, na einai systhmatikos kai na katalhjoyme kai se ena apotelesma. To apotelesma prepei na einai mono ena: Na ejasfalistei se baqos xronoy h biwsimothta toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, na ejasfalistei oti oi Ellhnes syntajioyxoi, oloi oi Ellhnes poy bgainoyn sth syntajh, afoy peratwsoyn th diadromh toys ston ergasiako bio, na exoyn apolabes oso to dynaton kalyteres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Erwthqhkate kai apanthsate prohgoymenws oti den blepete na yparxoyn ekfraseis dysareskeias apo toys boyleytes. Oi apoceis, omws, boyleytwn, opws toy k. Karaogloy gia to qema toy petrelaioy, toy k. Manwlh gia to Asfalistiko, toy k. Panoy Panagiwtopoyloy epishs gia to Asfalistiko, synistoyn kata thn ektimhsh ths kybernhshs ekfraseis diaforopoihshs apo thn kybernhtikh grammh;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa gia tis topoqethseis twn boyleytwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sygnwmh, den prolaba na oloklhrwsw.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti menete sthn apanthsh. Ean den synetistoyn, loipon, exei thn aisqhsh h kybernhsh oti qa prepei na ``sfijoyn ta loyria'' stoys boyleytes, dedomenhs ths isxnhs koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti sas kalyptei h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws.

ARMENHS: Na rwthsw gia ena allo qema. Gia ton k. Giannh Kefalogiannh, o opoios pleon den einai sto Koinoboylio, den einai boyleyths kai maqame oti prosfata synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Paramenei symboylos toy;

ANTWNAROS: O Giannhs Kefalogiannhs einai enas politikos me makra koinoboyleytikh kai kybernhtikh qhteia. Einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia qemata koinoboyleytikhs drashs kai anaptyjhs ths Krhths.

GKOYTZANHS: Dyo paremfereis erwthseis, k. Ekproswpe. Eipate oti oi boyleytes exoyn to dikaiwma na ekfrazoyn thn apoch toys eleyqera. Tote, giati den toys epitrecate xqes na chfisoyn eleyqera gia toys synadelfoys toys stis Epitropes kai toys moirazate xartakia me to ti na kanoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Aytes einai dikes sas plhrofories tis opoies egw den exw. Gnwrizw oti oi boyleytes se oles tis periptwseis --kai nomizw oti adikeite toys boyleytes-- ekfrazoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys.

GKOYTZANHS: H synanthsh poy eixe o k. Karamanlhs me ton k. Kefalogiannh den exei fantazomai kapoia sxesh me thn topoqethsh ths korhs toy Olgas sthn Epitroph ws grammateas.

ANTWNAROS: Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me oloys toys symboyloys toy, opws gnwrizete, einai periodikes, einai syxnes, einai taktikes kai entassontai akribws sta kaqhkonta poy exei o kaqenas apo aytoys.

KAKALHS: Gnwrizete mhpws ean o Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na kalesei sto Megaro Majimoy thn pleiochfia ths GSEE gia na th sygxarei gia th symmetoxh ths sto dialogo me bash to plaisio poy mas eipate prohgoymenws; Giati to eixe janakanei ayto otan eixe ypogracei th syllogikh symbash poy proeblepe ayjhseis (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai pragmatika ti qelete na peite.

KAKALHS: Sas prolabainw. To epejhgw kai sas lew oti to eixe janakanei o Prwqypoyrgos otan toys kalese gia na toys sygxarei, ean to qymaste, epeidh eixan ypogracei thn eqnikh syllogikh symbash ergasias poy proeblepe (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, ean antilambanomai orqa, amfisbhteite th lhch apofasewn dia pleiochfias.

KAKALHS: Oxi. Den amfisbhtw ayto. Lew, o Prwqypoyrgos pws antimetwpizei kai ajiologei, dhladh h kybernhsh, ayth thn ejelijh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kalesei kai ta kommata kai toys koinwnikoys etairoys na metexoyn sto dialogo. Den mporw para na sas pw oti h apofash kaqe ypeyqynoy organoy einai sebasth. Krinoyme, omws, ikanopoihtikh th qesh thn opoia elabe h GSEE. H antimetwpish ths kybernhshs se ola ayta ta qemata toy Asfalistikoy --to lew gia mia akomh fora-- einai safhs. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

KAKALHS: Epishs, mia deyterh erwthsh panw se ayto: Pws ajiologeite to eyrhma ths dhmoskophshs poy egine gia logariasmo toy SKAI oti to 65% twn erwthqentwn blepei apergies kai diadhlwseis sto epomeno diasthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Den amfisbhthse h kybernhsh pote to dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn, opote krinoyn na kanoyn xrhsh twn syntagmatika katoxyrwmenwn dikaiwmatwn toys.

MPESKENHS: Dysareskeia gia ton k. Manwlh, ton k. Karaogloy h ton k. Panagiwtopoylo den diakrinete. Diakrinete mhpws dysareskeia ek meroys ths kybernhshs gia thn ekpefrasmenh antilhch poy exei ekfrasei o Dhmarxos Qessalonikhs sxetika me thn proqesh toy Nomarxh Qessalonikhs na katebei ypochfios sto Dhmo; Exoyn yparjei shmera dhlwseis dhmosies toy kyrioy Dhmarxoy.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai qemata poy aforoyn thn topikh aytodioikhsh kai den exoyn sxesh me thn kybernhtikh drash.

MPESKENHS: Sas rwtw omws epeidh kai oi dyo apoteloyn stelexh toy kommatos poy ayth th stigmh einai sthn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw, gia mia akomh fora, oti ayta einai qemata poy aforoyn thn topikh aytodioikhsh kai den exoyn sxesh me thn kybernhtikh drash.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dedomenoy oti, opws eipate prohgoymenws, den sas anhsyxoyn oi ekfraseis dysareskeias h diaforopoihshs, kat eme, twn boyleytwn, pros ti tote oi shmerines diadoxikes synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, thn epomenh twn ekdhlwsewn diamartyriwn, diaforopoihsewn, me ton k. Sioyfa, ton Proedro ths Boylhs kai me ton Geniko Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ton k. Tragakh, toys opoioys eixe dei mia bdomada nwritera;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos  qa to pw gia mia akomh fora- exei polles kai pantote koinopoioymenes synanthseis me Ypoyrgoys, me melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Ton k. Sioyfa, opws gnwrizete, ton synantoyse kai palaia, ton synanthse kai twra me th nea idiothta toy Proedroy ths Boylhs. Den briskw tipota to periergo se aytes tis synanthseis. Kai tipote to asynhqisto.

MPESKENHS: Yparxei, diabazoyme shmera, mia katadikh ths Elladas apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn sto Strasboyrgo, sxetika me ena aithma neolaias gia th stash enos syllogoy sthn Janqh. Katadikazetai h Ellada apo to Eyrwdikasthrio gia to oti den akoloyqei to dikaiwma toy synetairizeste. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ep aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete h ellhnikh kybernhsh pagiws den sxoliazei apofaseis, oyte ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs, oyte dieqnwn dikasthriwn.

KAKALHS: Qa kanei kati h kybernhsh gia to anergo proedro toy SEB; Skeftetai na to balei se kapoio tameio anergias;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy thn ypoqesh.

KAKALHS: Einai qyma epixeirhmatikwn anatropwn.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas proseggish, thn opoia den epiqymw na sxoliasw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gia tis anakoinwseis poy mas kanate. Kyrie Ekproswpe, allazei to sxedio ektaktwn anagkwn h prostiqentai kapoia kommatia ta opoia eleipan apo to sxedio;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia mia kwdikopoihsh odhgiwn, den qa to elega kan eggrafo. Sth syntajh ths exoyn symbalei treis yphresies ths ellhnikhs Politeias: H Astynomia, to Pyrosbestiko Swma kai h Genikh Grammateia Politikhs Prostasias. Einai mia kwdikopoihsh loipon h opoia qa deite oti einai poly xrhsimh gia oloys anejairetws toys polites: Pws prepei na symperiferqoyn, ti prepei na apofygoyn, poy prepei na breqoyn, ti prepei na koitajoyn na paroyn mazi toys, ti epiballetai orismenes fores, oso dysaresto kai an einai ayto, na afhsoyn pisw. Einai praktikes odhgies. Etsi qa tis elega. To allo einai mia egkyklios, ths opoias egw akomh den exw telikh gnwsh , alla stoxo exei na exoyn katagrafei opws sas eipa kentrika, ola ekeina ta oxhmata kai allo paremferes yliko to opoio yparxei eite amesa diaqesimo eite sta xeria, thn idiokthsia idiwtwn se oles tis perioxes ths xwras wste otan prokycei mia tetoia fysikh katastrofh na mporesei na organwsei to kratos, h Politeia, pio grhgora, pio apotelesmatika, th xrhsh --opoy apaiteitai-- oloy aytoy toy ylikoy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: An moy epitrepete, epeidh gnwrizw oti se ayto to sxedio to opoio yphrxe, yphrxe sxetikh paragrafos h opoia anefere ayta ta pragmata. Egw den katalabainw giati bgainei h egkyklios.

ANTWNAROS: Einai poly aplo: Xreiazetai panta epikairopoihsh aytoy toy ylikoy. An ayto exei ginei prin merika xronia, prepei na janaginei twra.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Apo tis pyrkagies katalabate oti den leitoyrghse ayto to pragma kai den yphrje syntonismos kai gi ayto aisqanetai h kybernhsh thn anagkh na ekdwsei mia anakoinwsh, mia egkyklio;

ANTWNAROS: Polles apo aytes tis legomenes fysikes katastrofes qa sas anaferw dyo, xionoptwseis kai plhmmyres, symbainoyn synhqws toys xeimerinoys mhnes. Einai fysiko loipon, ligo prin thn enarjh toy xeimwna na ginei ayth h proetoimasia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Giati perysi den to kanate;

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se symperasmata ta opoia den prosypografw. Sas eipa oti xreiazetai epikairopoihsh olhs ayths ths diadikasias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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