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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 4 Oktwbrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 99075515

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Oktwbrioy 2007

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, qa synanthqei ayrio, Paraskeyh, 5 Oktwbrioy, stis 09.30 sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Geniko Grammatea ths Pagkosmias Organwshs Naytilias, k. Eyqymio Mhtropoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na kanw katarxhn mia texnikh erwthsh, ean exete ypoch sas apo to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, synedriash toy KYSEA, thn epomenh ebdomada.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Otan yparjei kati ep` aytoy qa sas anakoinwqei egkairws.

SPYRAKH: Na rwthsw kai kati pio politiko. Se sxesh me to pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis prwtes antidraseis twn kommatwn kai twn koinwnikwn etairwn se sxesh me th symmetoxh toys sto dialogo gia to asfalistiko.

ANTWNAROS: Stoxos ths kybernhshs, stoxos olwn mas einai kai prepei na einai h diasfalish enos asfalistikoy systhmatos poy qa einai dikaio, sygxrono kai biwsimo se baqos xronoy. Prepei oloi na frontisoyme, wste oi sympolites mas poy exoyn doylecei mia oloklhrh zwh kai ftanoyn sthn hlikia ths syntajiodothshs, na exoyn ejasfalismenh mia mellontikh zwh kai pera apo th syntajiodothsh me kales, oso to dynaton kalyteres apolabes. Gia na ginei ayto dynaton, na epiteyxqei aytos o stoxos, einai aparaithto, opws jerete, na ginoyn orismenes allages, orismenes prosarmoges. Kai se ayto akribws to stoxo katateinei o dialogos me th symmetoxh twn kommatwn kai twn koinwnikwn etairwn. Enas dialogos, thn prwtoboylia gia th diejagwgh toy opoioy, phre h kybernhsh. Sas parapempw eidikotera gi` ayto gia to opoio me rwthsate, sthn topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xqes sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwnei h kybernhsh h diafwnei me tis protaseis gia to Asfalistiko toy k. Analyth;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, o dialogos arxizei. Kai qa arxisei ekei opoy prepei na diejaxqei o dialogos. Sto Koinoboylio, stis Epitropes, metajy --opws sas eipa-- twn ekproswpwn twn kommatwn kai twn koinwnikwn etairwn. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei se shmantikes basikes arxes, oson afora sto asfalistiko systhma ths xwras. Oi arxes aytes einai gnwstes. Tis exei paroysiasei kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Sas anefera oti o Prwqypoyrgos --nomizw sthn teleytaia synedriash toy kentrikoy organoy toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias-- anaferqhke analytika se ayto to qema, alla to idio ekane kai stis programmatikes dhlwseis kai bebaiws exei anaferqei analytika kai o armodios Ypoyrgos.

SPYRAKH: Epimenoyme, giati einai ena poly sobaro qema kai apasxolei olo ton ellhniko lao kai yparxei mia ejelijh. H arnhsh, katarxhn, twn kommatwn ths Aristeras na proselqoyn se ayto to dialogo. Ep` aytoy h kybernhsh exei na kanei kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti topoqethqhke o Prwqypoyrgos me apolyta jekaqaro tropo. Eipe, xqes, sas diabazw th dhlwsh toy: ``Kanenas den exei to dikaiwma na blepei to problhma alla na adiaforei. Kanenas den exei to dikaiwma na syntassetai me toys pronomioyxoys kai toys bolemenoys, blaptontas oloys toys alloys. Kanenas den exei to dikaiwma na yponomeyei to mellon twn newn genewn. H akinhsia kai h arnhsh einai h pio antilaikh epilogh, dioti einai adiejodh. Oloi exoyme eyqynes, oloi exoyme ypoxrewseis''.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: An telika, h antipoliteysh arnhqei na parakaqhsei sto trapezi toy dialogoy, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh; Qa proxwrhsei monh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Katarxhn, perimenoyme oles tis apanthseis kai otan erqoyn aytes oi apanthseis, apo oloys toys foreis, tote qa doyme poioi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi analambanoyn pragmatika tis eyqynes toys. Enanti olwn twn ergazomenwn, enanti olwn twn asfalismenwn, enanti twn mellontikwn genewn. Opws gnwrizete, o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Magginas einai hdh se epafh me oloys toys foreis. Shmera synexizei aytes tis epafes kai exei synanthseis. Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio panw se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Epeidh kanenas den exei to dikaiwma na syntassetai me toys pronomioyxoys kai toys bolemenoys, mporeite na mas peite, poioi einai oi bolemenoi sto asfalistiko, sygkekrimena; Poioys ennoeite bolemenoys;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gi` ayto to qema, to eipa. Einai jekaqaro. Den epidexetai kamia apolytws amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: Einai poly genikologo. Mporeite na mas peite ean einai bolemenoi aytoi poy pairnoyn syntajh 1000 me 1200 eyrw kai qa eprepe symfwna me ton k. Alogoskoyfh na pame sto montelo IKA poy pairnoyn 480 eyrw; Ayto ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthsate, ean den kanw laqos, kai proxqes ton k. Roysopoylo gia to idio akribws montelo kai sas edwse poly analytikh apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Kamia apanthsh den moy edwse.

ANTWNAROS: As mhn epanalambanomaste. Ayth einai h dikh sas krish. Den th symmerizomai, alla den qelw na sas afairesw to dikaiwma na thn exete. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai jekaqarh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: Poioi einai bolemenoi, qa mas peite;

ARMENHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th xqesinh topoqethsh toy k. Solana, oti den toy aresoyn ta beto, o opoios epishs apokalese tesseris fores ta Skopia, ws ``Dhmokratia ths Makedonias'';

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw oti topoqethqhke shmera to prwi gia to qema h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh. Ej oswn gnwrizw, epishs, prin apo ligo, sthn kaqierwmenh enhmerwsh thn opoia ekane o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Koymoytsakos, yphrjan apanthseis se sxetika erwthmata. Se aytes tis apanthseis, oi opoies doqhkan, parapempw.

MPESKENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei apo xqes to brady, ena reportaz sthn thleorash toy ``SKAI'' kai shmera anadhmosieyetai se efhmerides, sxetika me ton k. Soyflia kai mia mh anaqewrhqeisa oikodomikh adeia. Katarxas, kapoio sxolio, ean exete gi` ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto to hqos kai h akeraiothta toy Ypoyrgoy k. Giwrgoy Soyflia. Ej oswn gnwrizw, o k. Soyflias exei hdh topoqethqei. Topoqeteitai omws kai me mia epipleon anakoinwsh h opoia didetai sth dhmosiothta ayth thn wra poy milame kai h opoia kalyptei me apolyta peistiko tropo oles tis ptyxes toy qematos.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h ekpaideytikh metarryqmish, sthn opoian anaferqhke stis programmatikes toy dhlwseis o Prwqypoyrgos, qa jekinhsei me th metarryqmish ths persinhs metarryqmishs;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw apo poy bgazete ayto to symperasma. Ekeino to opoio symbainei einai oti synexizontai oles oi energeies oi opoies einai aparaithtes sthn kateyqynsh, akribws, ths efarmoghs toy nomoy, o opoios chfisthke prin apo ligoys mhnes apo th Boylh. Enas nomos o opoios exei th sthrijh ths megalhs koinwnikhs kai foithtikhs pleiochfias ston topo mas. Proxwroyme me synepeia sto dromo aytwn twn metarryqmisewn. Proxwroyme, opws eipe, allwste, kai o Ypoyrgos Paideias k. Stylianidhs, xqes, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ekproswpoys foithtwn, diorqwnontas endexomenws, orismenes, an kriqei oti yparxoyn, adynamies poy piqanon na prokycoyn kata thn efarmogh toy nomoy, symplhrwnontas kena, opoy kai an ayta yparxoyn, syzhtwntas kainoyries idees poy prokyptoyn diarkws kai edw sth xwra mas kai se dieqnes epipedo. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Mesa sto plaisio ayths akribws ths epidiwjhs, poy einai h efarmogh toy nomoy poy exei chfistei apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn, pragmatopoioyntai oles ekeines oi epafes kai oi synennohseis poy kai xrhsimes einai kai wfelimes, wste na mporesoyn ta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata twn opoiwn thn anabaqmish akribws epidiwkei h kybernhsh, na dhmioyrghsoyn ekeines tis proypoqeseis kai na kanoyn ekeines tis prosarmoges poy einai aparaithtes gia thn efarmogh toy nomoy. Den yparxei, synepws, tipote san kai ayto poy ypainixqhkate.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yphrxan kapoies plhrofories sxetika me to pote qa labei thn egkrish ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs o neos eklogikos nomos. Aneferan oti ayto qa ginei thn epomenh Trith. Isxyei kati tetoio;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoies plhrofories. Isxyei ayto poy sas eipe o k. Roysopoylos, oti h kataqesh toy sxedioy nomoy gia to sygkekrimeno qema qa ginei syntoma sth Boylh. Kai an den me apata h mnhmh moy, otan rwthqhke eipe oti qa katateqei entos ths trexoysas periodoy ths neas Boylhs. Den exw perissoteres plhrofories.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos sto telos ths xqesinhs toy omilias, gia na eimai akribhs, kalese toys boyleytes toy kommatos toy na katapolemhsoyn oloi mazi, opws leei, sas diabazw akribws th frash ``thn apajia ths politikhs poy kapoioi systhmatika epixeiroyn''. Mporeite na mas ejhghsete poioi einai aytoi poy systhmatika epixeiroyn thn apajia ths politikhs; Einai politika kommata h kapoia ejwqesmika kentra;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota ep` aytoy. Parapempw sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se xqesinh ekpomph toy ANT1 o k. Mpoyras, boyleyths toy ypoloipoy Attikhs, eishghths toy arqroy 24, fainetai na leei se chfoforo toy oti qa apoxarakthrisei ektash sthn opoia o chfoforos exei xtisei. Exete kati na peite ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai h atalanteyth desmeysh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs oti oles oi perioxes poy htan dash kai kahkan apo pyrkagies, xarakthrizontai ws anadaswtees kai qa janaginoyn dash. Kata th diarkeia ths qhteias ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias kai sas diabebaiw oti to idio qa ginei kai kata th qhteia ths shmerinhs kybernhshs poy oi Ellhnes polites epanejelejan me pleiochfia, wste na kybernhsei th xwra ta epomena tessera xronia, den qa yparxei ejairesh apo ayth thn arxh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw qelw na rwthsw pali gia to asfalistiko. O k. Analyths, o opoios einai epikefalhs ths epitrophs poy exei systhsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, apo thn perasmenh ebdomada bgainei kai dinei synenteyjeis me tis protaseis kai me tis qeseis toy. Bazei mia atzenta dialogoy gia to asfalistiko. Dhmioyrgeitai etsi ena arnhtiko klima, toylaxiston se sxesh me ta kommata ths Aristeras kai me tis organwseis twn ergazomenwn. H kybernhsh giati apofeygei na apodokimasei aytes tis protaseis h na deijei oti einai se diaforetikh kateyqynsh kai afhnei na dhlhthriazetai to klima;

ANTWNAROS: Thn kybernhsh thn endiaferei ena kai shmantiko qema. Ena qema to opoio prepei na apasxolei kai na endiaferei oloys mas. Na broyme ekeines tis lyseis oi opoies einai aparaithtes, xrhsimes kai wfelimes, wste to asfalistiko systhma na exei megalo xrono zwhs, wste oloi oi Ellhnes polites na mporoyn na exoyn meta thn ejodo toys apo thn energo epaggelmatikh drash ejasfalismenh kalh syntajh. Ayto einai to zhtoymeno kai nomizw oti ayto prepei na einai to zhtoymeno olwn mas.

KAKALHS: Epeidh milhsate gia biwsimo asfalistiko systhma, mporeite na mas dwsete mia apanthsh giati h kybernhsh ston proypologismo toy 2008 exei gracei 1,9 disekatommyria eyrw gia to IKA th stigmh poy basei toy nomoy eprepe na gracei 2.224, dhladh to 1% toy AEP; 224% ekatommyria ligotero exei gracei. Poios tinazei thn koinwnikh asfalish ston aera; Mhpws to kratos poy klebei ta Tameia;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa prosypogracw toys xarakthrismoys kai ta rhmata ta opoia xrhsimopoieite.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na apanthsete giati den gracate to 1% sto...

ANTWNAROS: Qetete me epanalhptiko tropo thn idia erwthsh. Pairnete apanthsh kai qewrw peritto na sas janadwsw thn apanthsh poy phrate proxqes.

KAKALHS: Ma, htan allh erwthsh an den to katalabate.

ANTWNAROS: Idia erwthsh. Shmasia exei oti oloi prepei na katsoyme gyrw apo ena trapezi. To pisteyw jerete apolyta kai nomizw oti oi perissoteroi Ellhnes polites to pisteyoyn ayto, oti oloi prepei na katsoyme gyrw apo ena trapezi gia na broyme ekeines tis lyseis, ekeina ta montela an qelete, ekeines tis koines synistamenes oi opoies xreiazontai wste na ejafanistoyn oi kindynoi poy endexomenws yparxoyn gia to asfalistiko systhma. Shmasia exei oloi oi Ellhnes polites se baqos xronoy --kai to ennow ayto-- na mporoyn na pairnoyn kales syntajeis.

KAKALHS: Pws na kaqisei omws se ena trapezi otan einai proapofasismenes oi lyseis;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas diapistwsh. Katalhgete se symperasmata ta opoia den me briskoyn kaqoloy symfwno.

KAKALHS: H opoia ekfrazei thn pragmatikothta kai den apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota proapofasismeno.

KAKALHS: Giati, loipon, gia to IKA gracate ston proypologismo ligotera apo o,ti ayta poy toy anhkoyn me bash to nomo; Kata ta alla, threite th nomoqesia, exete nomimothta.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw k. Spyrakh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw ean oi protaseis Analyth apoteloyn bash ekkinhshs syzhthshs gia thn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei para polles fores se ayto to qema. Sas eipa oti oi syzhthseis qa ginoyn sta plaisia twn Koinoboyleytikwn Epitropwn, me ton tropo poy exei perigracei para poly jekaqara o k. Magginas kai sthn epistolh poy esteile pros ta politika kommata kai stis epistoles poy epididei kai stis syzhthseis poy kanei me toys koinwnikoys foreis. Qa elega oti qa prepei oloi na arqoyn sto ycos twn peristasewn poy apaitoyn oi sygkekrimenes synqhkes.

MPESKENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligh wra, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, o k. Abramopoylos eipe oti kai mexri prin apo ligo den yphrxan proypologismoi gia ta nosokomeia. Ayto qewreitai kata thn kybernhsh ws aixmh kai pros thn prohgoymenh politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias; Kai ean moy epitrepete kai ena deytero erwthma kai apanthste synolika: Yparxei proqesh apo thn kybernhsh na metakinhqoyn oi ygeionomikes yphresies toy IKA sto Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, opws akoygetai, dioti o k. Abramopoylos eipe oti den koybentiasthke ayto to qema shmera, para th diypoyrgikh syskech ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo me th symmetoxh toy k. Maggina kai toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to deytero qema. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw endexomenws entos ths hmeras h ayrio. Oson afora to prwto qema, den nomizw oti h diapistwsh enos zhthmatos to opoio yphrxe gia para polla xronia synista aixmh enantion oioydhpote. Shmasia exei na dinontai lyseis sta qemata, otan yparxoyn qemata kai otan prokyptoyn qemata. Kai ayto akribws ginetai. Allwste, to exoyme pei kai apo th qhteia ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, oti qa apokthsoyn proypologismoys ta nosokomeia. Den einai kati kainoyrgio.

MPESKENHS: Triamisi xronia...

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei mia diadikasia h opoia prepei na akoloyqhqei kai h opoia den einai eykolo na anatrecei kakes synhqeies poy yphrxan gia dekades etwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epistrecw sto qema toy Asfalistikoy: Ta dyo kommata ths Aristeras, to KKE kai o SYRIZA, hdh eipan oti den symmetexoyn sto dialogo, enw oi organwseis twn ergazomenwn ejefrasan epifylajeis. To epixeirhma poy proballoyn oloi einai oti den qa kaqisoyn se ena trapezi dialogoy na syzhthsoyn peristolh dikaiwmatwn twn ergazomenwn kai twn syntajioyxwn. H kybernhsh mporei na toys diabebaiwsei oti den qa yparjei peristolh aytwn twn dikaiwmatwn etsi wste kalopista kai aytoi na symmetasxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o k. Roysopoylos me apolyth safhneia panw se ayto to qema. Ta sygkekrimena ayta zhthmata poy qetete, einai safh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, na to peite me dika sas logia.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw ta qemata para poly kala. Den xreiazetai na sas koyrasw. Oi basikes arxes tis opoies den aggizei kaneis, einai gnwstes.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabazontas prosektika xqes thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada, diapistwsa oti den yphrxe kamia anafora sth lejh ``tetraetia'', eite me th morfh ths prooptikhs prowqhshs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, eite ws ``orizontas tetraetias'' opws elege palia o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa hqela ena sxolio. Pisteyete oti einai apotelesma paraleichs; Giati ta eykolws ennooymena piqanon paraleipontai h kati allo;

ANTWNAROS: To Syntagma einai apolytws safes gia poso xroniko diasthma eklegetai mia kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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