Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-10-02

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Aqhna, 2 Oktwbrioy 2007

Xairete.

" Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia syzhthqhkan oi proteraiothtes se epipedo nomoqetikoy ergoy ths kybernhshs. Qa sas pw ta nomosxedia ta opoia qa katateqoyn syntoma sth Boylh: Prwta ap` ola, qa katateqoyn thn Pempth, poy anoigei h diadikasia sth Boylh, ta tria ekeina nomosxedia gia ta opoia eixe desmeytei h kybernhsh apo to prohgoymeno kalokairi kai gia ta opoia eixe ginei polys logos apo orismenoys sthn antipoliteysh oti h kybernhsh ta kateqese mono kai mono gia na fanoyn kai qa ta parei pisw. Katatiqentai, loipon, thn Pempth kai ta tria nomosxedia, opws akribws eixame desmeytei.

To prwto afora sthn antimetwpish ths forodiafyghs. Qymizw oti ekei perilambanetai mia seira apo diadikasies, opws gia paradeigma, apodeijeis poy bohqoyn ton polith na plhrwnei ligoteroys foroys. To deytero afora sthn ayjhsh twn syntajewn toy Dhmosioy gia to 2007. To trito afora sth diaxeirish, ton elegxo kai thn efarmogh anaptyjiakwn parembasewn gia thn programmatikh periodo 2007-2013, to ESPA, to D' Koinotiko Plaisio Sthrijhs, opws exoyme synhqisei na to leme.

'Alla nomosxedia poy syntoma qa katateqoyn sth Boylh einai:

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn: H idrysh Eqnikoy Tameioy Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, ayto poy onomasthke Tameio kata ths ftwxeias.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn: Ryqmiseis qematwn anejarthtwn arxwn, Genikoy Epiqewrhth Dhmosias Dioikhshs, Swmatos Epiqewrhtwn Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai loipwn zhthmatwn, armodiothtas Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs: Ryqmiseis qematwn anaphrwn polemoy, qemata proswpikoy kai alles diatajeis.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs: To qesmiko plaisio gia thn ereyna kai thn texnologia.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn: Kyrwsh symbashs paraxwrhshs toy ergoy ths meleths kataskeyhs, xrhmatodothshs, leitoyrgias, synthrhshs kai ekmetalleyshs toy aytokinhtodromoy Eleysinas-Korinqoy-Patras-Pyrgoy-Tsakwnas kai ryqmish synafwn qematwn, Eqniko Xwrotajiko Sxedio kai Eidika Xwrotajika Sxedia.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias: Systash kai katastatiko ths hlektronikhs diakybernhshs koinwnikhs asfalishs AE h DIKA AE kai loipes asfalistikes kai organwtikes diatajeis.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Politismoy: Metra gia thn prostasia twn politistikwn agaqwn.

-Toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias, Aigaioy kai Nhsiwtikhs Politikhs: Dikaiwmata-ypoxrewseis epibatwn kai metaforewn stis epibatikes qalassies endometafores kai alles diatajeis kai enisxysh ths asfaleias twn ploiwn, limenikwn egkatastasewn, limenwn kai alles diatajeis.

Ayta einai ta nomosxedia poy katatiqentai syntoma, arxhs genomenhs apo thn Pempth, opws eipa, me ta tria nomosxedia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

" O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 11:00, qa milhsei sth synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias. Sas qymizw oti opote yparxei Koinoboyleytikh Omada h synafhs drasthriothta, den exoyme briefing. Ws ek toytoy, qa synanthqoyme pali meqayrio.

" Qa hqela, epishs, na anaferqw sto zhthma ths apokatastashs twn plhgentwn synanqrwpwn mas kai perioxwn apo tis pyrkagies toy Aygoystoy. Qa sas dwsw mia seira apo synoptika stoixeia, ta opoia, nomizw oti dinoyn mia plhrh eikona gia to ti exei ginei mexri shmera kai einai aparaithta se oloys.

Sto plaisio ths apokatastashs, h Kybernhsh elabe mia seira apo metra jepernwntas  opws gnwrizete- se polles periptwseis, grafeiokratikes praktikes poy dhmioyrgoyn kaqysterhseis, etsi wste na yparjei amesh antapokrish apo pleyras Politeias stis anagkes twn synanqrwpwn mas.

Ta metra poy aforoyn stis pyroplhktes perioxes:

Arxizw apo tis epixeirhseis, ta metra poy elhfqhsan gia tis pyroplhktes epixeirhseis:

Prwton, enisxyqhkan gia thn kalych ameswn anagkwn me 5.000 eyrw.

Deyteron, proxwrhse h anastolh gia 6 mhnes ths katabolhs toy FPA, twn dosewn toy foroy eisodhmatos twn lhjiproqesmwn xrewn kai ypoxrewsewn toys se trapezes, twn pleisthriasmwn, h ektelesh ejwstikwn dikastikwn apofasewn.

Triton, ayjhqhke to pososto poy kalyptei to Tameio Eggyodosias Mikrwn kai Poly Mikrwn Epixeirhsewn apo 70% sto 80%.

Telos, h epidothsh toy epitokioy poy kalypte to 4% toy kostoys daneismoy, kalyptei pleon to synolo twn tokwn.

Gia tis ypoloipes epixeirhseis poy briskontai stoys nomoys Messhnias, Hleias, Arkadias, Lakwnias kai Eyboias:

- Pagwsan oi lhjiproqesmes kai mh ofeiles mexri telos Aygoystoy. Kefalaiopoihqhkan kai eginan neo daneio me periodo xaritos 28 mhnwn. H prwth dosh qa katablhqei stis 31 Dekembrioy 2007. To ypoloipo daneio qa ejoflhqei se ises ejamhniaies doseis. H synolikh diarkeia toy daneioy einai 10 xronia, symperilambanomenhs ths periodoy xaritos.

- Epidoteitai apo to kratos h xorhghsh kefalaiwn kinhshs apo tis trapezes.

- Mesa apo to neo epixeirhsiako programma ``Antagwnistikothta kai Epixeirhmatikothta'' toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs dinetai amesh xronikh proteraiothta kai ayjhmenh xrhmatodotikh barythta sthn enisxysh ths epixeirhmatikothtas stoys pyroplhktoys nomoys.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Politismoy:

" Pragmatopoihqhkan aytocies stoys arxaiologikoys xwroys twn pyroplhktwn perioxwn kai egine prokatartikh ektimhsh kai katagrafh twn zhmiwn.

" Egkriqhke h sygkrothsh omadwn ergasias h opoia qa antimetwpisei to qema ths apokatastashs twn pyroplhktwn mnhmeiwn. Exei arxisei hdh o kaqarismos kai ews to telos Dekembrioy qa einai etoima.

" Proxwrhsan oi diadikasies gia th stadiakh proslhch proswpikoy.

" Pragmatopoioyntai ergasies apocilwsewn, ylotomhsh kamenwn dendrwn, dhmioyrgia antipyrikwn zwnwn, aerofwtografiseis, antikatastash katestrammenwn perifrajewn.

" Ekponeitai hdh texnikh meleth anaplashs toy xwroy h opoia qa katateqei sto telos Oktwbrioy, ena mhna nwritera apo to arxiko xronodiagramma kai oi fyteyseis qa arxisoyn na ginontai stis 15 Noembrioy.

" Ekponoyntai meletes gia th synthrhsh melwn kai toixografiwn, sterewshs kai apokatastashs oswn mnhmeiwn eplhghsan.

" Oloklhrwqhke hdh h apokatastash toy xlootaphta toy Arxaioy Stadioy.

" Stoys lofoys Kronioy, Kalosaka, Zoynh kai Olympiakhs Akadhmias ergazontai synergeia ylotomwn kai dasergatwn.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias:

" To EKAB drasthriopoihqhke se oles tis plhgeises perioxes me 22 asqenofora kai kinhtes iatrikes monades.

" H Kinhth Iatrikh Monada pragmatopoihse episkeceis se 19 pyroplhkta xwria.

" Klimakia twn Ypoyrgeiwn pragmatopoihsan entopiws elegxoys se trofima kai posimo nero. Eginan 250 deigmatolhptikoi elegxoi.

" Organwqhke Epidhmiologiko Systhma Taxeias Antapokrishs se oles aytes tis perioxes.

" Klimakia toy Ypoyrgeioy se synergasia me to Eqniko Kentro Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs pragmatopoihsan 65.000 episkeceis stis pyroplhktes perioxes.

" To Ypoyrgeio Ygeias diaxeiristhke th metafora kai dianomh anqrwpistikhs bohqeias, kaqws kai dianomh 10.000 meridwn faghtoy kai 100 tonwn emfialwmenoy neroy.

Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Pronoias:

" Anastolh gia 6 mhnes ths katabolhs trexoyswn eisforwn, kaqws kai ryqmish olwn twn kaqysteroymenwn asfalistikwn eisforwn, twn asfalistikwn tameiwn kai toy OGA. Doqhke ayth h anastolh.

" Amesh xorhghsh epipleon syntajhs, ws ektaths oikonomikhs enisxyshs, se oloys toys syntajioyxoys olwn twn asfalistikwn tameiwn kai toy OGA.

" Ektakth oikonomikh enisxysh, ish me tria mhniaia epidomata, apo ton OAED stoys eggegrammenoys anergoys twn plhgeiswn perioxwn.

" Katartisthke apo ton OAED eidiko programma epixorhghshs gia ena xrono gia thn apasxolhsh 6.000 anergwn, prokeimenoy na epitaxynqei h diadikasia anadaswshs ths perioxhs.

" Ginetai prospaqeia ameshs anadaswshs twn perioxwn.

" Syneisfora sto Eidiko Tameio Antimetwpishs Ektaktwn Anagkwn apo ton OAED 10 ekatommyriwn eyrw kai apo ton Organismo Ergatikhs Katoikias 1 ekatommyrioy eyrw.

" Xorhghsh plhroys syntajhs se ena melos ths oikogeneias twn qymatwn, qanontwn apo tis pyrkagies.

" Amesh apostolh klimakiwn iatrwn toy IKA.

Se o,ti afora ta Ypoyrgeia Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Eqnikhs Amynas: Qa parakalesw toys synergates moy na sas dianeimoyn enhmerwtiko yliko toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Einai yliko to opoio anaferetai kai stis draseis twn Ypoyrgeiwn. Eidikotera, toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs to opoio ektypwnetai entos twn prosexwn hmerwn kai qa moirastei se oles tis perioxes stoxeyei sthn kalyterh enhmerwsh agrotwn kai kthnotrofwn, etsi wste na mporoyn na gnwrizoyn ti prepei na kanoyn me akribeia, gia thn apokatastash twn perioysiwn toys, thn apokatastash toy topioy, thn epanafora ths zwhs sthn prohgoymenh katastash.

Se o,ti afora to qema toy Asfalistikoy: O armodios ypoyrgos k. Magginas, shmera to prwi, apesteile epistolh stoys arxhgoys twn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn, kalwntas toys se dialogo. Sas diabazw to keimeno ths epistolhs:

``Kyrie Proedre, eimai bebaios oti symmerizeste thn apoch oti to asfalistiko systhma ths xwras antimetwpizei polla kai megala problhmata. Xarakthrizetai apo streblwseis, adikies kai yperboles. Se dhmosies dhlwseis sas allwste kai se omilies sas, exete anaferqei kat` epanalhch sta qemata ayta. Pisteyw, epishs, oti h antimetwpish toys qa prepei na apotelesei antikeimeno enos eilikrinoys, eyrytatoy kai systhmatikoy dialogoy, toso me tis politikes dynameis toy topoy, oso kai me toys koinwnikoys etairoys. Qemata, opws h xrhmatodothsh toy systhmatos, h enopoihsh twn Tameiwn, h antimetwpish ths eisforodiafyghs, h ejygiansh toy qesmoy twn Barewn kai Anqygieinwn Epaggelmatwn, h kalyterh ajiopoihsh twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn, h qwrakish toy systhmatos paroxhs anaphrikwn syntajewn, qa prepei metajy allwn na apotelesoyn antikeimeno toy dialogoy kai bebaiws lhchs metrwn. Epiqymw, prosqetws, na epanalabw th diabebaiwsh toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy sxetika me ta oria hlikias, tis asfalistikes eisfores kai tis syntajeis. Einai aytonohto kai speydw na sas diabebaiwsw oti sto plaisio toy dialogoy aytoy qa syzhthqei kai kaqe allo sxetiko qema poy qa proteinete kai qa synebale sthn kalyterh antimetwpish toy oloy zhthmatos. H kybernhsh proserxetai sto dialogo ayto me eilikrineia kai eyqynh. Proserxetai me tis kalyteres twn proqesewn. Malista, proteinoyme o dialogos na diejaxqei sto plaisio leitoyrgias twn armodiwn diarkwn Koinoboyleytikwn Epitropwn Koinwnikwn kai Oikonomikwn Ypoqesewn se koines h mh synedriaseis poy se takta xronika diasthmata qa pragmatopoioyntai pros ayto to skopo''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Mias kai anaferqhkate sthn apokatastash twn plhgentwn. Den nomizw na mas exei dwsei h kybernhsh mia synolikh eikona ths ektashs twn kamenwn perioxwn, tis zhmies poy exoyn ginei se zwiko kai fytiko kefalaio kai thn ektash twn kamenwn daswn sygkekrimena. Kai to deytero, poio einai to synoliko kostos mexri twra, poy exei dwsei h kybernhsh apo ton kratiko proypologismo gia thn apokatastash twn perioxwn aytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn diafores ektimhseis poy exoyn ginei mexri stigmhs. Qa parw, gia paradeigma, thn ektash twn kamenwn perioxwn. Qa diabasate isws kai eseis, opws diabasa kai egw, gia mia meqodo poy xrhsimopoiei to Aristoteleio Panepisthmio Qessalonikhs. Hqela na xrhsimopoihsw orismena stoixeia apo ayta poy sygkentrwnw gia na sas dwsw, giati sygkentrwnw stoixeia gia na sas enhmerwsw kai gi` ayto to qema poy lete. H meqodos ayth einai akribhs men, wstoso katagrafei, opws moy ejhghqhke armodiws, thn perimetro twn kamenwn perioxwn. Mesa se ayth mporei na exoyme esties poy mporei na mhn exoyn kaei. Kata synepeia, thn akribh apotypwsh -se ariqmo stremmatwn ennow- den thn exw ayth th stigmh. Otan exw ta diaqesima stoixeia qa sas ta dwsw.

KAKALHS: Gia to kostos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To idio kai gia to kostos.

SPYRAKH: Mia texnikh erwthsh: Kat` arxhn, ean mporeite na mas diaqesete thn epistolh poy apesteile o k. Magginas stoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, ston k. Papandreoy kat` arxhn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai to keimeno poy sas diabasa.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai, ean sta sxedia ths kybernhshs gia thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy perilambanetai kai to endexomeno na yparjei allagh twn perifereiwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den syndyazetai to ena qema me tipote allo. Kai xqes erwthqhka kai eipa kathgorhmatika oti einai allo o eklogikos nomos kai allo h opoia dioikhtikh metarryqmish ginei sthn topikh Aytodioikhsh. Gia tis perifereies poy lete, akoyw kai egw mia filologia. Den yparxei, ayth th stigmh, tetoia skech sthn kybernhsh.

KYRITSHS: Sta nomosxedia ta opoia syzhthsate sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, qelw na rwthsw merika pragmata. Ena apo ayta afora, metajy allwn, kai zhthmata Anejarthtwn Arxwn. Qelw na rwthsw, ean yparxei mia genikh ajiologhsh apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs toy ergoy toy opoioy parhgagan oi Anejarthtes Arxes kata to prohgoymeno diasthma kai eidika se o,ti afora thn Arxh ths opoias proistatai o k. Zormpas, h opoia den einai akribws Anejarthth Arxh, alla exoyn shmeiwqei orismena problhmata. Sas qymizw oti mexri prin apo ligo kairo, ypotiqetai kratoysame thn anapnoh mas na doyme ti leei ayto to porisma kai meta eidame oti gia typikoys logoys den yfistatai k.t.l. Opote qelw mia eidikh kai mia genikh apanthsh se ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th deyterh anafora sthn erwthsh sas: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxei ereyna poy diejagetai apo th Dikaiosynh kai ola ta stoixeia ta opoia sygkentrwnei h Arxh ta diabibazei sth Dikaiosynh. H Dikaiosynh krinei epi aytwn twn stoixeiwn. H kybernhsh den epiqymei na parei qesh ep` aytoy. Antilambaneste oti qa htan parembash sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs to na krinoyme emeis thn oysia h oxi ths kaqe ekqesews. Oi diadikasies krinontai kai aytes, alla exei hdh milhsei h Dikaiosynh. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

Se o,ti afora, omws, to prwto stoixeio poy eipate gia thn ajiologhsh genikotera twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn, aplws sas lew oti symfwna me tis probleceis toy Syntagmatos kai toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs, ginetai kata kapoio tropo ``ajiologhsh'' toy ergoy apo tis Epitropes ths Boylhs stis opoies ypagetai h kaqe mia apo tis Anejarthtes Arxes. Gia paradeigma, kati to opoio gnwrizw poly kala ej armodiothtos moy: Oi drasthriothtes toy ESR, oi apofaseis toy, to ergo toy, krinetai apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, h opoia syxna-pykna kalei ton Proedro kai ta melh toy Symboylioy gia enan apologismo ligwn mhnwn h etoys.

KYRITSHS: An exw katalabei kala, qa tis ``sfijete'' kapws aytes tis Arxes ws pros ton elegxo toys. Ayto ton problhmatismo eixa akoysei apo stelexh ths kybernhshs kai ths Neas Dhmokratias proeklogika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kapoios problhmatismos, ean katalaba kala to rhma poy xrhsimopoihsate, dhladh, gia elegxo toys apo thn kentrikh dioikhsh. Oxi, se kamia periptwsh. Oi Anejarthtes Arxes, kata to Syntagma elegxontai apo th Boylh, opws gnwrizete, h opoia kai tis diorizei. Oi alles, oi dioikhtikes arxes, ypagontai sta ypoyrgeia. Kai ta ypoyrgeia einai armodia.

KYRITSHS: Exw allh mia erwthsh epi nomosxedioy. Qelw na rwthsw, ean sta nomosxedia toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias yparxoyn mesa probleceis, xaristikes qa tis xarakthriza egw, alla en pash periptwsei ryqmiseis ofeiletwn pros to IKA kai se alla asfalistika Tameia, oi opoies einai eyergetikes gi` aytoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai akribws ta idia nomosxedia ta opoia katateqhkan stis Epitropes ths Boylhs kai den prolaban na pane sthn Olomeleia. Den exei kamia allagh kapoio nomosxedio. Den gnwrizw ean qa prosteqei kati, alla sthn kateyqynsh poy eipate den exw akoysei kati gia na sas eimai eilikrinhs. Epanalambanw oti einai mia apanthsh ths kybernhshs oti tis desmeyseis ths tis kanei prajh. Qymizw oti yphrje, idiws apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, mia oloklhrh epixeirhmatologia hmerwn, ean oxi ebdomadwn, se olh th diarkeia ths proeklogikhs periodoy -kai apo ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ton k. Papandreoy kai apo alla stelexh- oti h kybernhsh koroidece toys polites, dioti den protiqetai na ferei ta nomosxedia ayta, para mono ta efere gia na entypwsiasei. Thn Pempth, loipon, me to poy anoigei h Boylh ta tria ayta nomosxedia, ta opoia eixan hdh syzhthqei stis Epitropes, epanakatatiqentai, syzhtwntai stis Epitropes kai phgainoyn sthn Olomeleia gia na ginoyn nomoi toy kratoys.

SPYRAKH: Sto nomosxedio poy ryqmizei qemata Anejarthtwn Arxwn, qelw na rwthsw, ean problepetai oi epikefalhs twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn na einai en energeia dikastikoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai ena nomosxedio to opoio etoimazei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn. Nomizw enisxyei tis dynatothtes poy exoyn oi Anejarthtes Arxes, alla akomh perissotero kai thn anejarthsia toys. Den eimai se qesh na sas dwsw leptomereies. Eimai bebaios oti o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, otan einai etoimos na kanei tis anakoinwseis toy, qa sas enhmerwsei leptomerestera.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Me aformh to fylladio poy mas moirasate, oloi qymomaste oti thn periodo twn pyrkagiwn oi dhmosiografoi poy kalyptan to armodio ypoyrgeio eixan poly entona reportaz gia to gegonos oti toylaxiston gia enamish 24wro den eixe eidopoihqei to armodio ypoyrgeio, poy shmera exei bgalei ayto to fylladio, gia na steilei to strato stis pyrkagies. Qa hqela na rwthsw, meta thn empeiria poy exete apokthsei kai meta apo ayto to kako prohgoymeno poy yphrxe me to ypoyrgeio, ean ayto htan alhqes  egw den to gnwrizw, den kanw ayto to reportaz- qa hqela na moy peite ean exete ekponhsei kapoio allo programma kalyteroy syntonismoy twn ypoyrgeiwn gia ektaktes anagkes h qa ekponhsei h kybernhsh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, qelw na qymisw oti eixa erwthqei, tote, sth diarkeia ths enhmerwshs sto Zappeio kai eixa apanthsei sto erwthma ayto. Aplws na sas dwsw ena stoixeio gia na to qymhqeite kai eseis: Yparxoyn kai yphrxan miktes peripolies stratiwtwn me astynomikoys se polles perioxes ths xwras kai sthn Attikh, se perioxes konta se boyna, se dash. Den einai kati, loipon, to opoio alhqeyei, dhladh oti to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas mphke sth diadikasia ayth thn teleytaia stigmh h me kapoia kaqysterhsh, opws anaferate prohgoymenws.

To deytero poy afora genikotera to syntonismo: Sas ypenqymizw oti h prwth apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, otan giname pali kybernhsh, htan na sygxwneysei ta ypoyrgeia Eswterikwn kai Dhmosias Tajhs kai kata synepeia se qemata poy aforoyn thn Politikh Prostasia, h yphresia ayth na enisxyqei kai na ginetai h doyleia poly pio grhgora, poly pio apotelesmatika.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa allajei, dhladh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai mono oti sygxwneyqhkan dyo ypoyrgeia, ta opoia htan synarmodia se ena kommati, nomizw oti bohqa sthn kalyterh apodosh. Bebaiws, xreiazontai kai alla pragmata. Giati ayth h maxh einai mia diarkhs maxh. Oi pyrkagies poy antimetwpisame fetos htan prwtofaneis se megeqos, se eyros, mazi me thn klimatikh allagh. Xreiazetai na prosarmozomaste kai emeis stis nees synqhkes.

XRHSTAKOS: Sta metra poy anakoinwqhkan apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias h genikotera apo thn kybernhsh xqes kai se o,ti afora eidikes eyaisqhtes ryqmiseis, opws as poyme to petrelaio kai kapoies alles ryqmiseis yper twn politwn, yparxoyn pragmata ta opoia einai adieykrinista mexri stigmhs. Kai epeidh einai adieykrinista dhmioyrgoyntai sygkekrimenes entypwseis, parermhneies, me apotelesma oi polites na mhn jeroyn ti akribws na kanoyn. H erwthsh moy einai gia poio logo h kybernhsh den anakoinwse ayta otan qa eixe kai tis eidikoteres ryqmiseis, oytws wste, otan anakoinwqoyn na jeroyn oi polites akribws ti qa kanoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H poly aplh apanthsh einai oti ston Proypologismo problepontai esoda apo thn katapolemhsh toy laqremporioy. Kai me bash to nomo poy exoyme ypoxrewsh na thrhsoyme, o Proypologismos, to prosxedio toy toylaxiston, kateteqh xqes, 1h Oktwbrioy. Ayth einai mia poly syntomh kai poly aplh apanthsh. Ekeino poy qa prepei na doyme einai oti oi ejaggelies se politiko epipedo kai politiko periexomeno exoyn ajia otan synodeyontai sthn prajh apo ayta ta nomoqethmata, tis dioikhtikes prajeis poy xreiazontai, tis koines ypoyrgikes apofaseis, poy apoferoyn kai to apotelesma. Edw, loipon, eixame thn anakoinwsh, ek meroys ths Politeias, oti qa proxwrhsoyme sthn patajh toy laqremporioy petrelaioeidwn me ayto ton tropo. Poly syntoma to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa anakoinwsei tis leptomereies gia to pws qa ginontai ayta ta pragmata. H antimetwpish toy laqremporioy sta kaysima einai kentrikh politikh ths kybernhshs. H kentrikh ayth politikh ginetai sto plaisio ths antimetwpishs ths forodiafyghs genikotera, mia prospaqeia poy jekinhse prin apo 3,5 xronia kai synexizetai. Apo to laqremporio sta kaysima zhmiwnontai oysiastika oi synepeis polites. H zhmiwsh toy koinwnikoy synoloy einai ayth thn opoia prospaqoyme na antimetwpisoyme kai xanontai poroi oxi mono apo ton Proypologismo, giati o Proypologismos den einai xrhmata poy sygkentrwnontai etsi, gia kapoioys alloys skopoys. Sygkentrwnontai, kyriws, gia na mporei to kratos na antapejelqei stis anagkes poy exei, stis ypoxrewseis poy exei kai na dhmioyrghsei synqhkes gia ena kalytero koinwniko kratos, gia kalyterh Paideia gia kalyterh Ygeia. Ta xrhmata poy xanontai ypologizontai se poly megalo poso. Pisteyoyme, xwris na epibarynetai kaqoloy kapoios poliths, oti poly syntoma qa antimetwpisoyme kai ayto to fainomeno ths laqremporias. Ena sygxrono fainomeno mastiga gia th sygxronh ellhnikh koinwnia.

KAKALHS: Giati prepei na plhrwnoyn oi oikonomika asqenesteroi kai ta laika noikokyria thn adynamia toy kratikoy mhxanismoy na patajei to kyklwma, to gnwsto ligo poly kyklwma, laqremporias kaysimwn. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Pws qa ta bgaloyn pera 850 xiliades oikogeneies poy einai katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias me to na prokatabaloyn 1 eyrw to litro to petrelaio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi monoi poy den qa plhrwsoyn qa einai oi asqenesteres koinwnika tajeis, oi oligotero kala ameibomenoi sympolites mas. Oi monoi poy den qa plhrwsoyn qa einai aytoi. Dioti, opws janaeipa kai prohgoymenws, opws eipe kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes, h epistrofh twn xrhmatwn qa ginetai amesws apo ta dhmosia tameia, apo tis trapezes -qa ta anakoinwsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn- kai qa patassetai thn idia wra to laqremporio to opoio entelei strefetai enantion kai aytwn twn koinwnikwn tajewn. Giati fantasteite na eixame ta esoda ston Proypologismo, kaqe xrono, twn xrhmatwn aytwn poy anerxontai sto ycos toy disekatommyrioy, apo thn askhsh orismenwn epithdeiwn sto laqremporio. Ayta ta xrhmata qa mporoysan na ajiopoihqoyn se kalyterh Paideia, se kalyteres koinwnikes paroxes, se ychloteres koinwnikes paroxes. Ara, loipon, pisteyw -kai ayto nomizw einai katanohto se oloys- oti oi asqenesteres koinwnika tajeis exoyn na wfelhqoyn apo ayto to metro.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Kata thn prohgoymenh qhteia sas eixe doqei se polloys h entypwsh oti h sxesh ths kybernhshs me tis Anejarthtes Arxes htan kapws sygkroysiakh. Dhladh, qymamai thn kybernhsh na yponoei sthn periptwsh ths mh dhmosiopoihshs twn onomatwn twn fygostratwn oti emeis, telos pantwn, poly qa qelame na erqoyn ola sto fws alla einai h Arxh Prostasias Dedomenwn Proswpikoy Xarakthra poy den mas afhnei. Qymamai kapoion Ypoyrgo na leei oti ``egw poly qa hqela na proxwrhsw se proslhceis alla to ASEP kaqysterei tis diadikasies''. Katopin toytoy hqela na sas rwthsw an einai eylogo kapoioi na exoyn ena problhmatismo gia to kata poso h kybernhsh qelei ayto poy eipe prin o k. Kyritshs na ``sfijei'' ligo tis Anejarthtes Arxes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokyptei apo poyqena ayto. Dhladh, h antilhch oti qa eprepe na einai leitoyrgikotero to systhma se olh th dioikhsh eite einai h dhmosia dioikhsh se Ypoyrgeia, eite einai sth nomarxiakh aytodioikhsh, eite einai stis Anejarthtes Arxes. Na einai taxyterh kai apotelesmatikoterh h leitoyrgia kaqe Arxhs, den antibainei th swsth diaxeirish twn oswn prepei na ginoyn sto kratos, isa  isa, bohqaei. Qymamai sas eixa pei ki egw se ayth thn aiqoysa oti pepoiqhsh ths kybernhshs htan oti qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn oi kameres diaxeirishs kykloforias, etsi wste na mporoyme na elegxoyme ws kentrikh dioikhsh -to kratos, oxi h kybernhsh- thn kalyterh kykloforia. Kai na mporoyn na xrhsimopoihqoyn aytes oi kameres se periptwseis, opws ta ghpeda. Kai qa ginei ayto. Qymaste oti h diadikasia, gia na doqei h telikh egkrish apo thn Anejarthth Arxh, kaqysterhse para polloys mhnes, alla ginetai yper toy koinwnikoy synoloy. An dhladh, kapoioi Ypoyrgoi ekrinan thn kaqysterhsh den shmainei oti ekrinan kai to oti yparxei kakws ayth h Arxh.

KAKALHS: Telika oi neoi foroi ycoys 6 dis eyrw htan o spoydaios eqnikos logos gia ton opoio o Proypologismos toy 2008 apotelese thn aitia twn prowrwn eklogwn; An einai etsi giati den to legate proeklogika gia na enisxysete kai thn koinwnikh pleiochfia poy sthrizei thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoysa polla gia foroys, neoys foroys klp. Ekeino to opoio prokyptei einai oti aytoi poy plhrwnoyn ston Proypologismo toy 2008 einai oi exontes kai katexontes. Apallassontai oi koinwnikes tajeis ekeines poy einai adynames kai enisxyontai malista. Me ayth thn aformh, qa sas pw oti o Proypologismos toy 2008 einai enas Proypologismos synepeias kai eyqynhs. Ylopoioyntai oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs enanti twn oikonomika asqenesterwn. Antimetwpizetai h forodiafygh kai to laqremporio sta kaysima -gia to opoio hdh anaferame polla pragmata nwritera- kai me ton tropo ayto opws sas eipa xrhmatodoteitai to koinwniko kratos. H anaptyjh ston Proypologismo ayto paramenei isxyrh. H anaptyjh einai yper olwn twn politwn. Einai yper ths eqnikhs oikonomias kai ara toy kaqenos polith xwrista. Einai sto 4%. H anergia problepetai to 2008 na meiwqei sto 7,4%. Sas qymizw oti to 2004 htan sto 11,3% h 11,1%, pantws panw apo 11%. Me ton Proypologismo ayto ylopoioyntai, opws eipa, oi desmeyseis apenanti stoys oikonomika asqenesteroys afoy ayjanetai kata 18% to EKAS, kata 19% oi syntajeis toy OGA, kata 10% to epidoma anergias. Parallhla, meiwnontai oi forologikoi syntelestes gia fysika proswpa sto 27% apo 29% kai se 37% apo 39% me thn prooptikh na ginoyn 25% kai 35% antistoixws to 2009. Dhladh, diarkeis meiwseis twn forwn. Dhmioyrgeitai to Eqniko Tameio Koinwnikhs Synoxhs gia thn antimetwpish ths ftwxeias. Katargeitai mia seira forwn poy epibarynan th mesh ellhnikh oikogeneia, opws einai oi foroi gia thn prwth katoikia. Kai prwth katoikia, gnwrizoyme oloi mas, prwth kai monadikh katoikia exoyn ekeinoi oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi den exoyn oikonomikes dynatothtes gia deyterh katoikia. Aytoi poy mporesan na baloyn to keramidi panw apo to kefali toys. Aytoi, loipon, oi anqrwpoi ayth th stigmh plhrwnan enan ychlo foro. Katargeitai aytos o foros. O foros klhronomias kai gonikhs paroxhs poy antikaqistatai apo ena efapaj telos toy 1%. Milame gia foroys oi opoioi htan panw apo 10  15%. Kai ayto ginetai 1%. Allh meiwsh dhladh. Plhqos diaforetikwn forwn poy epibarynan thn katoikia katargoyntai. Me thn aplopoihsh toy systhmatos kai to foro poy qa antikatasthsei to polyploko shmerino forologiko kaqestws -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws- epibarynontai oi exontes kai oi katexontes afoy, epanalambanw, ejaireitai plhrws apo th forologia h prwth katoikia. Taytoxronws, kai as qymhqoyme, den perase polys kairos, molis liges ebdomades prin htan poy akoygame apo polla stelexh ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na miloyn gia ayjhsh toy FPA, gia kryfh atzenta sto FPA. Taytoxronws, apo poyqena den prokyptei ayjhsh toy FPA ston Proypologismo toy 2008. Genika, h ayjhsh twn esodwn toy proypologismoy -giati eipate enan ariqmo poy akoysthke kai se alla mesa enhmerwshs gia forologia- prokyptei: Prwton, apo ton ychlo ryqmo anaptyjhs. Eipa oti qa kinhqei sto 4%. Th drastikh antimetwpish toy laqremporioy sta kaysima. Ena poly ychlo poso sta esoda toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy apo thn patajh toy laqremporioy. Den nomizw na einai kaneis logikos, exefrwn Ellhn poliths o opoios na mh qelei thn patajh toy laqremporioy sta kaysima, thn antimetwpish forodiafyghs kai foroapofyghs sth forologia ths perioysias, me bash to sxetiko sxedio nomoy. Thn aplopoihsh ths forologias sta akinhta. Gia thn antimetwpish toy laqremporioy sas eipa hdh arketa pragmata. Epanalambanw, oti ekeinoi poy zhmiwnontai einai oi synepeis forologoymenoi. Ennow oti otan kapoios forodiafeygei, otan kapoios yphretei to laqremporio h einai aytos o noys, h skech kai h drash kommatiwn ths koinwnias poy meterxontai meqodwn toy laqremporioy, tote strefetai enantion olwn twn ypoloipwn politwn poy einai entimoi kai forologoymenoi. Strefetai enantion toy koinwnikoy kratoys. Ayta nomizw ta apla, katanohta, me ariqmhtika dedomena apantoyn stis opoies kathgories peri ayjhshs twn forwn.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, qa parathrhsw pali oti einai pantelws ayqairetos o isxyrismos sas oti plhrwnoyn oi exontes kai katexontes. Giati apo ta 6 disekatommyria... .

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kapoios poy exei deyterh h trith h tetarth katoikia qa plhrwsei perissotero foro.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Qa pw oti einai kai pali, ayqairetos o isxyrismos oti plhrwnoyn oi exontes kai katexontes apo ton Proypologismo, giati mono oi emmesoi foroi, an milame me stoixeia sygkekrimena, einai 4 dis. Oi neoi emmesoi foroi. Toys emmesoys foroys, opws jeroyme, toys plhrwnoyn ta laika noikokyria, oi asqenesteroi. Einai foroi se tsigara, pota kai diafora tetoia. Loipon, apo poy kai ws poy prokyptei oti plhrwnoyn oi exontes kai katexontes; Plhrwnoyn oi oikonomika asqenesteroi, oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi. Prwton ayto. Kai deyteron, oi foroi sta akinhta ayjanontai kata 275% se sxesh me perysi, me ton prohgoymeno foro. Kai ayto, einai meta tis ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia oles tis foroapallages. Dhladh, ekei poy plhrwnan perysi 200-den qymamai kala- 300 ekatommyria, twra pane sto 1 dis oi foroi gia ta akinhta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean kapoios exei pente h deka spitia, nai, qa plhrwsei. Ean kapoios exei ena spiti, prwth katoikia, opws oi perissoteroi Ellhnes polites, den qa plhrwsei apolytws tipote.

KAKALHS: Katarghsate to Foro Megalhs Akinhths Perioysias, epeidh den mporoysate na ton syllabete kai twra ton metaferete se oloys osoys exoyn ki ena deytero akinhto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy kanoyme einai na plhrwnoyn aytoi poy einai pragmatika exontes kai katexontes kai na mhn phgainei h Politeia na parei xrhmata apo aytoys oi opoioi einai synepeis forologoymenoi kai entimws dhlwnoyn osa exoyn na dhlwsoyn. Dhladh: Akinhto pia se opoio onoma kai na einai, ap` th stigmh poy einai deyterh, trith, tetarth katoikia, ejoxikh katoikia, forologeitai me diaforetiko tropo ap` oti prin. H prwth katoikia, omws, dhladh to dikaiwma kaqe Ellhna polith na exei ena spiti, den forologeitai kaqoloy. Den synebaine ayto prohgoymenws. Kai sas eipa kai mia seira apo ayjhseis, oi opoies eginan. Dhladh, to 18% sto EKAS ayjhsh, den einai pragmatikothta; To 19% ayjhsh stis syntajeis toy OGA den einai pragmatikothta;

KAKALHS: Ayta ejanemizontai me ayth thn ayjhsh. Ayto sas lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To 10% ayjhsh sto epidoma anergias den einai pragmatikothta;

KAKALHS: Kai poia shmasia qa exoyn aytes oi ayjhseis sto EKAS, otan ayjanontai oi emmesoi foroi kata 13,8%, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, allh erwthsh.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa pw mia apoch h opoia einai kai erwthma. Gnwrizw oti sto Ypoyrgeio yparxoyn eidikoi oi opoioi qa parakoloyqhsoyn pws qa lyqei to qema toy petrelaioy. Alla epeidh exoyn akoystei polla arnhtika sxolia gia thn kybernhsh, kyriws apo tis oikogeneies poy den mporoyn na dwsoyn ta 100 eyrw h ta 1000, otan agorazoyn to petrelaio. Einai gegonos oti to na bgaleis 1000 anti 600 poy qa ebgazes gia na baleis petrelaio, einai ena problhma. Elega, mhpws prepei na ejetastei h synergasia toy Ypoyrgeioy me tis enwseis twn prathrioyxwn wste otan paradidoyn to petrelaio se ena noikokyrio kai kanei 1000 eyrw, aytomatws to noikokyrio na ekxwrei, me texnikh meqodo, polytypoy, to dikaiwma ayto to opoio qa to exei na eisprajei meta apo to Dhmosio ta 400 eyrw, wste apo ton agorasth o prathrioyxos na pairnei mono ta 600 kai aytomatws na ejoysiodoteitai na eisprattei apo to Dhmosio, etsi wste na apofeyxqei h megalh ayth dysareskeia poy exei proklhqei se polles ftwxes oikogeneies kyriws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na qymisw, oti stis perissoteres polykatoikies  an milame gia polykatoikies- o diaxeirisths einai ypoxrewmenos na exei ena apoqematiko, to gnwrizete. Ara loipon apo to apoqematiko ayto sthn prwth fora qa mporei na plhrwsei to petrelaio sthn timh ayth poy qa to plhrwsei kai na parei pisw ta xrhmata amesws. Otan parei kapoios pisw ta xrhmata amesws, den allazei kaqoloy h isorropia ths oikonomias twn 10, 20, 30 oikogeneiwn poy menoyn se mia polykatoikia. Se memonwmenes periptwseis monokatoikiwn -den lew oti oloi osoi menoyn se monokatoikies exoyn poly ychla eisodhmata, yparxoyn kai monokatoikies se perioxes hmiastikes h agrotikes- eimai bebaios oti h epibarynsh ayth, apo th stigmh poy qa doqei amesws to poson ston dikaioyxo, qa einai mia epibarynsh oligwn wrwn h hmerwn. Pisteyw, dhladh, oti se sxesh me to ofelos poy exei aytos o poliths, o kaqe Ellhnas poliths, apo thn antimetwpish toy megaloy qematos toy laqremporioy, einai poly mikrh.

KYRITSHS: Epeidh lete oti o dikaioyxos qa pairnei pisw to nomimo ayqhmeron, h thn epomenh, en pash periptwsei amesa, ayto shmainei oti den qa diastayrwnetai h forologikh toy enhmerothta; Qa ginetai h eisprajh anejarthtws, dhladh, ths sxeshs me to ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa dwsei sth dhmosiothta oles tis leptomereies. Sas qymizw oti h prospaqeia poy ginetai kai se ayto ton tomea kai qa ginei kai se polloys alloys tomeis einai h aplopoihsh twn diadikasiwn. To montelo ths Hleias, twn pyroplhktwn perioxwn, opws eipa kai ekeinh thn periodo, einai ena montelo to opoio qa akoloyqhqei se mia seira drasewn. Einai kalytera gia thn ellhnikh Politeia na mporei na empisteyetai h na prepei na empisteyetai ton polith, me mia ypeyqynh dhlwsh kai en synexeia na ton elegxei, para na ton talaipwrei epi hmeres h mhnes gia grafeiokratikes diadikasies, dinontas en telei thn entypwsh oti den ton sebetai kiolas. Qa akoloyqhsoyme, loipon, diadikasies antigrafeiokratikes. Kai nomizw oti exoyme mia apodeijh pws mporei na leitoyrghsei ayto.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, hqela na staqoyme ligo sto qema ths foroapallaghs gia thn prwth katoikia. Eipate prin oti o kaqenas exei dikaiwma na balei to kefali toy katw apo ena keramidi klp. Wstoso, yphrxe  an den kanw laqos- prin foroapallagh gia prwth katoikia ews 150 tm. Kai anarwtiemai, an kapoios exei ta xrhmata gia na balei to kefali toy katw apo ena keramidi 200 h 300 h 500 tm, mhpws telika aytos einai exwn kai katexwn kai glytwnei to foro.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrje mia klimakwsh kai epibarynotan h prwth katoikia, opws gnwrizete, me kapoia xrhmata. Den qa epibarynetai me kanena poso ayth th stigmh.

TSIOYFOS: Mhpws me olh ayth thn aplopoihsh  ennow sto systhma epistrofhs toy foroy- qa dhmioyrghqei enas allos kyklos paraemporioy, laqremporioy klp, me piqanon kapoia ayjhmena timologia poy mporei na dinoyn prathrioyxoi, se emena poy eimai filos toys, ston allon poy einai filos toy klp; Katalabainetai ti ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalabainw ti lete. Den qa anaferqw se qemata koyltoyras toy kaqenos mas, giati h parabatikothta einai se oles tis koinwnies stoixeio ths kaqhmerinothtas. Alla qa pw oti einai kalytera na empisteyetai to kratos toys polites kai en synexeia na exei kaloys elegktikoys mhxanismoys, para, pros xarh twn oligwn poy paranomoyn, na talaipwroyntai oloi oi polites.

Sas eyxaristw.

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