Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-06-13

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 13 Ioynioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 78511964

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Ioynioy 2007

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei ayrio, Pempth 14 Ioynioy, stis 9.30 to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs k. Dhmhtrh Abramopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai qa synanthqoyn ayrio, qa syzhthsoyn mhpws th dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh oti to epomeno megalo skandalo anamenetai sto xwro ths Ygeias;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, ginontai megales prospaqeies sto xwro ths Ygeias kai exei shmeiwqei shmantikh proodos. Ayto einai pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh. H prospaqeia, thn opoia kataballoyme, einai diarkhs.

KAKALHS: Mhpws h kybernhsh prepei na epanejetasei kai na deijei megalyterh epieikeia gia thn peiqarxikh poinh poy epiblhqhke ston astynomiko dieyqynth sth Qessalonikh; Dekapente hmeres argia gia ton agrio jylodarmo toy Kyprioy foithth einai ejontwtikh poinh.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis leptomereies. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, gia na sobareytoyme, to mhnyma, poio einai; Oti epibrabeyei h kybernhsh thn astynomikh ayqairesia.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Palaiologos exei to logo.

KAKALHS: Afoy (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, o k. Palaiologos exei to logo.

KAKALHS: Den mporeite na kratate edw mesa dyo metra kai dyo staqma. Se alloys afhnete na kanoyn jana kai jana tis erwthseis. Qa moy apagoreysete kai to logo twra;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kakalh, eyxaristws na kanoyme mia katagrafh twn erwthsewn. Eiste apo ekeinoys poy analogika kanoyn, me apostash, tis perissoteres. O k. Palaiologos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, symfwna me ta osa feretai na exei kataqesei o Genikos Dieyqynths ths JP MORGAN, oi synomilies gia thn ekdosh toy omologoy eixan ginei oxi to Dekembrio toy 2006, opws exei isxyristei o Genikos Grammateas toy Logisthrioy k. Koyrhs, alla dyo mhnes nwritera, ton Oktwbrio. Kai milame gia tis diapragmateyseis, epi ths oysias, gia thn ekdosh toy omologoy. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, den jerw, poia einai h pragmatikothta, ayth poy leei o Genikos Dieyqynths ths JP MORGAN gia thn Eyrwph h o k. Koyrhs;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den prokyptei ayto apo poyqena. Deyteron, asfalws gnwrizete oloi sas th dhlwsh poy ekane, shmera to prwi, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs kai thn epanalambanw gia osoys den th gnwrizoyn: ``Apedeixqh, xqes, sth Boylh oti ta senaria synwmosias poy diakinoyse to PASOK olo ayto ton kairo, katerreysan panhgyrika''. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti o Genikos Grammateas Dhmosionomikhs Politikhs k. Giwrgos Koyrhs exei parei dhmosia qesh, kai malista epaneilhmmena, gia ola ayta ta zhthmata. Ej oswn gnwrizw egw kai eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete kai seis, o k. Koyrhs htan ekeinos poy stis 11 Ianoyarioy 2007 shmeiwse idioxeira panw se eswteriko eggrafo toy Genikoy Logisthrioy --kai anaferomai se ayto dioti exei dhmosieytei ston Typo-- oti ``ayto poy zhtoyn twra (ennowntas th JP MORGAN) den einai symbato me to gramma ths symfwnias poy exoyme kanei''. Se apla ellhnika dhladh: Eixe epimeinei wste na synafqei to daneio twn 280 ekatommyriwn eyrw me toys idiaitera eynoikoys oroys poy eixan symfwnhsei oi armodioi yphresiakoi paragontes. Kai ypenqymizw se osoys kanoyn oti to jexnane: To daneio synafqhke me epitokio 16 monades bashs katw apo to euribor. H oysia einai, dhladh, oti to ellhniko Dhmosio, h Ellada, oi Ellhnes forologoymenoi gia toys opoioys toso koptetai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, wfeloyntai shmantika apo toys oroys aytoy toy daneioy, oso kai an orismenoi prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis, diatypwnontas diaforoys apiqanoys isxyrismoys. H oysia einai, epishs, oti o deyteros twn martyrwn poy kateqesan xqes sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, eipe pera apo opoiadhpote amfibolia oti ``o k. Giwrgos Papamarkakhs yphrje symboylos toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn epi PASOK''. Oti ``yphrxe mia sxesh paroxhs symboylwn toy k. Papamarkakh sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn epi PASOK''. Poio xrwma exei twra o k. Papamarkakhs ton opoio orismenoi eixan speysei na xarakthrisoyn dhqen ``galazio''; Ekane doyleies me toys Ypoyrgoys toy PASOK kai malista toys symboyleye. Fainetai oti ekeinos einai to idio ``galazios'' me th Xrhmatisthriakh ``AKROPOLIS'', poy dhqen ekane doyleies me ta Tameia mono epi kybernhsews Neas Dhmokratias kai sth diadromh apodeixqhke akribws to antiqeto. Apodeixthke, dhladh, oti h dhqen ``galazia'' AKROPOLIS eixe pragmatopoihsei mesa se dyo molis xronia diakybernhshs toy PASOK panw apo 70 synallages me Tameia kai malista me oroys periergoys. Agorazontas fqhna kai poylwntas akriba to idio omologo. Kanontas ``trampes'' dhladh. As teleiwsei, loipon, mia kai kalh ayth h parafilologia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh phgame twra kai sto qema ths ``AKROPOLIS''...

ANTWNAROS: Se ola ``qa pame''. Qa moy epitrecete: Eseis to ``pate'' ekei, kai qa moy epitrecete na topoqetoymai, opws epilegw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Exete apolyto dikio. Egw omws qa epimeinw idiaitera sto shmeio twn diapragmateysewn poy eginan apo thn pleyra toy Dhmosioy, ek meroys toy Dhmosioy apo ton k. Koyrh kai o idios feretai na exei pei oti eixan ginei to Dekembrio. O ekproswpos ths JP MORGAN feretai na exei kataqesei sth Boylh oti oi diapragmateyseis aytes eginan ton Oktwbrio. Egw anarwtiemai telika poia einai h alhqeia kai gia poio logo shmera h JP MORGAN ypoxrewqhke kai anagkasthke na ekdwsei anakoinwsh gia na diaceysei ayta poy eipe xqes o idios o ekproswpos...

ANTWNAROS: Exete diabasei ta praktika;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ta exw akoysei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta exete diabasei ta praktika;

PALAIOLOGOS: Giati to lete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na ta diabasete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me ayto, ti qelete na peite; Na mpoyme sthn oysia omws...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na ta diabasete. Isxyoyn osa exoyn eipwqei. Den yparxei kanena apolytws qema...

PALAIOLOGOS: O k. Koyrhs xqes epixeirhse na anaskeyasei tis entypwseis se thlefwnikh epikoinwnia poy eixe me to deltio toy ALTER kai me ton k. Xatzhnikolaoy. Kai epimenw, giati o idios telika qelhse na diaceysei h toylaxiston na anairesei ayta poy yposthrije o ekproswpos ths JP MORGAN. Kai gi` ayto sas lew kai pali...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, diabaste ta praktika kai mhn apodidete se anqrwpoys pragmata ta opoia den exoyn pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis poy fainetai oti ta exete diabasei ta praktika kai ap` o,ti akoysame thn prohgoymenh topoqethsh sas, qewreite kai ajiopistes tis martyries twn ypeyqynwn ths JP MORGAN, meta loipon apo ayto yparxei qema paraithshs h apopomphs toy k. Koyrh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia.

KAKALHS: Dhladh, to zhthma gia thn kybernhsh einai to xrwma toy Papamarkakh, an einai ``galazios'' h ``mple'' kai ths ``AKROPOLIS'' h oi peran pashs amfibolias mizes kai h katalhsteysh twn Tameiwn, twn apoqematikwn twn Tameiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio profanws den egine antilhpto --kai qa to pw gia mia akomh fora-- einai oti antiqeta me o,ti synebaine epi kybernhsewn PASOK, kata th qhteia twn opoiwn h sygkekrimenh etaireia ekane panw apo 70 synallages me ta Tameia kai kaneis den phre eidhsh, kaneis den antedrase, h shmerinh kybernhsh thn ypoqesh thn esteile h idia, monh ths, ston eisaggelea.

MELIGKWNHS: En telei oi diapragmateyseis gia th synach toy daneioy twn 280 ekatommyriwn eyrw, toy omologoy, eginan apo yphresiakoys paragontes h kai apo ton k. Koyrh kai apo ton k. Doyka;

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei ena kai mono pragma: Oti ayto to opoio eipe h shmerinh kybernhsh, to ekane. Den xaqhke eyrw apo ta omologa. Ola ta alla einai parafilologia.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi ekproswpoi ths JP Morgan elegan oti h diapragmateysh gia thn epanagora toy omologoy egine apo ton k. Koyrh kai apo ton k. Doyka. Eseis mas legate, h kybernhsh, oti h kybernhsh den exei kamia anameijh kai oti tis diapragmateyseis me thn trapeza tis kanoyn ta Tameia.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei ayto to opoio molis sas eipa.

TSIOYFOS: Qa allajw qema. Ejakoloyqeite na pisteyete oti gia thn ojynsh toy politikoy klimatos poy parathreitai to teleytaio diasthma ejakoloyqoyn oi eyqynes na einai monomereis h mhpws prepei na prospaqhsete oloi gia thn ejomalynsh toy klimatos;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn sto akeraio osa eipa xqes.

TSIOYFOS: Den moy apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai sas apantw. Ti eipa xqes; Aytos o opoios einai ypeyqynos, aytos o opoios prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei --dioti oi Ellhnes polites den ton akoloyqoyn-- to klima ojynshs kai polwshs, einai o arxhgos toy PASOK, o k. Papandreoy.

TSIOYFOS: Xqes, o k. Soyflias  fantazomai qa exete ypoch sas-- oysiastika eipe oti eyqynes yparxoyn kai apo tis dyo pleyres, legontas oti oloi prepei na prospaqhsoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Apodidete ston k. Soyflia pragmata, ta opoia den eipe. Gnwrizw poly kala th dhlwsh toy kai den eipe tipota tetoio. Aytes einai dikes sas ermhneies tis opoies egw den symmerizomai.

TSIOYFOS: Pera apo tis dhlwseis toy k. Soyflia sto Megaro Majimoy, yparxoyn kai dhlwseis. Ayth h sygkekrimenh dhlwsh einai toy k. Soyflia sta egkainia ergostasioy anakyklwshs poy ekane argotera.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw --kai to lene oloi oi Ypoyrgoi ths Neas Dhmokratias-- einai oti qa apantame, alla oxi me ton anoikeio, apreph, polwtiko, dixastiko logo ton opoio, profanws, exei epilejei o arxhgos toy PASOK kai profanws epiballei kai se orismena apo ta koryfaia stelexh toy.

KAKALHS: Poio einai to mhnyma poy stelnei h kybernhsh me ayth thn asteia peiqarxikh poinh poy epiblhqhke ston astynomiko dieyqynth gia to jylodarmo toy Kyprioy foithth; Den einai epibrabeysh ths astynomikhs ayqairesias kai bias; Den lete stoys astynomikoys, dhladh, spaste sto jylo toys diadhlwtes kai emeis kaqarizoyme...

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exontas ypoch osa eipate sthn arxh ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs twn politikwn syntaktwn, se o,ti afora thn epimaxh kataqesh toy stelexoys ths JP Morgan, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ws Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs, ean qewreite oti kai meta apo ayth thn kataqesh yparxei endexomeno na apodoqei politikh eyqynh ston Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn se sxesh me thn ejelijh ths poreias toy sygkekrimenoy omologoy twn 280 ekat. eyrw.

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka, molis pro oligoy kai sas eipa oti h synolikh topoqethsh, thn opoia ekana, dinei apanthsh kai sto erwthma poy molis moy qesate.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean moy epitrepete, den einai safes ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Gia mena einai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epimeinw, omws, sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy. Den mporw na katalabw, apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh dieceyde pws yphrxan diapragmateyseis, oti yphrxan politika stelexh poy phran meros stis diapragmateyseis gia thn epanagora toy omologoy, telika sthn prajh apodeiknyetai pws kai o k. Doykas kai o k. Koyrhs symmeteixan se aytes tis diapragmateyseis gia thn epanagora. Den katalabainw, me poia logikh to ekanan;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws dyskoleyeste na antilhfqeite osa sas eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Endexomenws. Alla, gia na to kanei kapoios ayto, na to poyme poly apla, mporei na aisqanetai enoxos. Dhladh, (den akoygetai) me thn ennoia ths enoxhs, oxi me thn ennoia th dikastikh. Alla, telos pantwn...

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sas parakoloyqhsw, se kamia periptwsh, se tetoia almata symperasmatwn poy kanete.

PALAIOLOGOS: H kybernhsh elege oti stis diapragmateyseis gia thn epanagora toy omologoy den symmeteixan politika proswpa; Den symmeteixe h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na diabasete ta praktika.

MELIGKWNHS: En telei, omws, den apanthsate. Mas eipate oti shmasia exei oti den qa xaqei ena eyrw. Akomh kai an den exei shmasia, th diapragmateysh telika poios thn ekane; Den thn ekane o k. Koyrhs;

ANTWNAROS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, 3,5 xronia meta th diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai enw yparxei ayto to skandalo me ta omologa, mas lete oti h ``AKROPOLIS XRHMATISTHRIAKH'' einai ``prasinh'', o Papamarkakhs einai ``prasinos'' kai en pash periptwsei...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: To erwthma poy qelw na qesw einai, telika poios kyberna ayto ton topo;

ANTWNAROS: Ton topo ton kyberna kai malista poly kala --kai na eiste sigoyrh gi` ayto-- h eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras. Kaneis allos. Kai as prospaqoyn orismenoi alloi na to amfisbhthsoyn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ta skandala ta kanei to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Ena einai to qema. Sas eipa, eginan 70 synallages epi PASOK apo thn idia etaireia. Apokalyce pote kaneis tipote; Diamartyrhqhke kaneis gia tis apwleies twn Tameiwn; Oi zhmies oi opoies proklhqhkan sta Tameia, ta opoia meteixan se aytes tis agorapwlhsies, den htan ths stigmhs. Tis plhrwnoyn akomh oi asfalismenoi 3,5 xronia meta. Poios qa erqei na anaplhrwsei ta posa poy xaqhkan tote; Twra, den xaqhke tipota. Blepete na exei xaqei; Asfalws kai oxi. Den exei xaqei tipota. Kai gi` ayto epikratei megalh siwph sto sygkekrimeno qema. Den akoyw kanena epixeirhma apo thn pleyra ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Merikes anarqres krayges akoyw.

GKOYTZANHS: Apo ta legomena sas katalaba oti ekeinoi toys opoioys to PASOK elege oti einai ``galazioi'' poy kanoyn doyleies me thn kybernhsh, telika apodeixqhkan oti einai ``prasinoi'' poy kanoyn doyleia.

ANTWNAROS: Den xrhsimopoihsa egw tetoia lejh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Eipate oti to PASOK elege pws einai ``galazioi'' kai kanoyn doyleies me thn kybernhsh. Apodeixqhke oti aytoi ekanan doyleies me thn kybernhsh toy PASOK kai synexizoyn na kanoyn doyleies me thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o,ti eipa me ton tropo poy to diatypwsa. Den exw na pw tipota allo. Den qa moy bazete sto stoma moy logia, xarakthrismoys kai epiqetikoys prosdiorismoys toys opoioys egw den xrhsimopoihsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, k. Ekproswpe, den qeloyme. Gi` ayto kanoyme dialogo. Alla...

ANTWNAROS: Den kanoyme dialogo. Ypoballontai erwthseis kai dinontai apanthseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Den einai kakos o dialogos se mia Dhmokratia. Den einai dialogos to briefing;

ANTWNAROS: To briefing einai qesmikh diadikasia kata thn opoia oi dhmosiografoi ypoballoyn erwthseis kai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos dinei apanthseis.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto erwthma ths k. Kalogeropoyloy ``poios kyberna ton topo'', apanthsate oti h eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras kyberna kai as prospaqoyn kapoioi. Ti prospaqoyn kai poioi;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na pw tipote allo. Den exei, allwste, kamia shmasia. Dioti to oysiastiko apotelesma ths diakybernhshs ths xwras to eisprattoyn, to krinoyn kai to exoyn syneidhtopoihsei oi Ellhnes polites.

POYLIDOY: Symfwna me eishghsh toy StE akyrwnontai, kata thn protash ths eishghshs, mia seira prostimwn poy eixe epiballei h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras. H Epitroph Kefalaiagoras enisxyqhke, empedwqhke kai qespisthke epi ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, ara en prokeimenw leitoyrghse aneparkws;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia apofaseis dikasthriwn.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy: H kybernhsh eixe ena epixeirhma me to opoio prospaqoyse na peisei oti antimetwpizei toys kerdoskopoys kai thn akribeia sthn agora, ta tsoyxtera prostima. Twra, me thn eishghsh sto StE ayto to epixeirhma katarreei.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h eishghsh den einai apofash. As perimenoyme, loipon, thn apofash. Deyteron, se kamia periptwsh den sxoliazw dikastikes apofaseis. Ayth h kybernhsh den to ekane pote kai den prokeitai na to kanei. Se alloys anhkei h prospaqeia xeiragwghshs ths Dikaiosynhs. Oxi sth Nea Dhmokratia. Oxi sth shmerinh kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: To politiko erwthma einai, ti opla exei pleon h kybernhsh, afoy den (den akoygetai) ta tsoyxtera prostima...

ANTWNAROS: Einai h qwrakish twn qesmwn kati poy h shmerinh kybernhsh kanei systhmatika kai poly apotelesmatika.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela sas parakalw na moy peite, giati kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs h JP Morgan, mia trapeza pagkosmioy embeleias, edeije diaqesh na kalycei tis apwleies twn 8 ekat. eyrw poy emfanizontai ws yperogkh promhqeia ths ``AKROPOLIS''. Qewreite pws ayto einai mia synhqhs praktikh stis synallages trapezwn me krath h oti h JP Morgan ekane mia prospaqeia na diafylajei to kalo ths onoma. Giati egine ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den eimai eidikos se qemata toy dieqnoys trapezikoy systhmatos. Deyteron, sas epanalambanw: Shmasia exei oti den xaqhke kanena eyrw. Ayto den mporei na to aposiwphsei, den mporei na to jeperasei apolytws tipota. Menoyn ewla ta epixeirhmata olwn ekeinwn poy gia ebdomades, mhnes, prospaqoysan na milhsoyn gia dekades xamenwn ekatommyriwn. Poy einai ta dhqen xamena ekatommyria;

GKOYTZANHS: Giati lete oti den xaqhke oyte ena eyrw apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh me ta xrhmata twn forologoymenwn qa kalyptei th diafora apo th diapragmateysh twn Tameiwn me thn JP Morgan;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw, loipon, to idio epixeirhma poy sas exei pei kai o k. Roysopoylos.

GKOYTZANHS: Ep` aytoy, den nomizw.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiotata sas to exei pei. 'H den to qymaste h den qa hsastan profanws parwn. Parapempw, loipon, se ayto gia osoys h mikrh mnhmh exoyn h den htan parontes.

NASOPOYLOS: Para tayta k. Ekproswpe, epeidh nomizw oti ekkremei mia apanthsh apo thn pleyra sas legate se oloys toys tonoys oti ta tameia energoyn aytonoma kai anejarthta. Gia poio logo emfanizetai to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs dia toy k. Doyka kai toy k. Koyrh na mesolabei stis diapragmateyseis me thn JP MORGAN.

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

MELIGKWNHS: Kata synepeia, afoy einai ewla ta epixeirhmata oswn elegan oti xaqhkan ekatommyria eyrw, na symperanoyme oti h kybernhsh efoson to PASOK kai o SYN zhthsoyn Ejetastikh, den exei kati na fobhqei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h topoqethsh thn opoia exoyme kanei. Brisketai se ejelijh h dikastikh diereynhsh toy qematos. Den exei allajei tipota ep aytoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Yparxei tipota neotero se sxesh me to biblio ths Istorias; Giati plhrofories emfanizoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo na exei zhthsei thn aposyrsh toy.

ANTWNAROS: Tetoioi isxyrismoi, opws antilambaneste kai diafora alla ta opoia grafontai, paragnwrizoyn orismena apla stoixeia. Exoyme ena biblio Istorias toy opoioy h syggrafh, sas to ypenqymizw, eixe paraggelqei apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK. Sto biblio ayto, otan oloklhrwqhke h syggrafh toy, paroysiasthkan laqh kai ekfrasthkan apo diafores pleyres diafwnies gia orismena tmhmata toy. Ypenqymizw oti einai h shmerinh kybernhsh dia ths Ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Mariettas Giannakoy poy zhthse apo to Anwtato Pneymatiko Idryma ths xwras, thn Akadhmia Aqhnwn, na diatypwsei th gnwmh ths. Twra, ginontai oi diorqwseis. Otan ginoyn oles oi diorqwseis, h Ypoyrgos qa kanei anakoinwseis. Briskw periergh, an mh ti allo, th stash orismenwn poy, twra poy ginontai oi diorqwseis, opws eixame proanaggeilei --den yparxei dhladh tipota kainoyrgio-- diatypwnoyn diaforoys apiqanoys, opws sas eipa, isxyrismoys. Loipon, h kybernhsh den kanei tis diorqwseis. Oi kybernhseis den grafoyn biblia Istorias. Kanena biblio, kanena egxeiridio. Ta biblia ta grafoyn oi istorikoi kai oi episthmones.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den qa aposyrqei dhladh to biblio;

ANTWNAROS: Molis topoqethqhka.

PALAIOLOGOS: To lew, epeidh epi meres ston Typo kai malista apo dhmosiografoys poy einai ston kentrodejio Typo, ean qelete na to poyme etsi, poy lene oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa analabei o idios prwtoboylies.

ANTWNAROS: As exete empistosynh se ayta poy sas leei o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

KAKALHS: Ti eginan oi diabebaiwseis poy eixe dwsei h kybernhsh amesws meta to nayagio toy SEA DIAMOND peri prostasias toy periballontos peri apantlhshs twn kaysimwn ktl. Dyo mhnes meta den exei kan ypoblhqei sxedio apantlhshs kai anagkasthke o eisaggeleas na ekdwsei entalmata syllhchs.

ANTWNAROS: Enantion poiwn;

KAKALHS: Enantion twn idiokthtwn ths etaireias.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, loipon, na ereynhsete thn ypoqesh wste na diapistwsete poioi exoyn thn eyqynh ths ypobolhs aytwn twn sxediwn.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta ti kanei h Dikaiosynh, h kybernhsh ti kanei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kanei apo thn pleyra ths to kaqhkon ths. Ennoeite h Politeia. Dioti den ta kanei ola h kybernhsh. Prepei na diakrinoyme kai ligo thn Politeia kai tis Arxes ths apo thn kybernhsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Se o,ti afora to biblio ths Istorias, eipate oti brisketai periergh th stash poy diatypwnoyn kapoioi kai toys isxyrismoys...

ANTWNAROS: Oti h kybernhsh dhqen janagrafei to biblio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Nai. Oi plhrofories lene kai to reportaz leei oti Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs eishgoyntai ston Prwqypoyrgo na parei pisw to biblio kai na pei oti qa janagrafei to biblio. Dhladh...

ANTWNAROS: Efistw thn prosoxh sas. Eipate dyo diaforetika pragmata. Oti h kybernhsh dhqen qa parei pisw to biblio kai oti qa to janagracei to biblio. Sas eipa loipon oti h kybernhsh exei mia sygkekrimenh qesh thn opoia exei ekfrasei epaneilhmmenws ...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas lew, mporeite na moy apanthsete se ayto. Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs eishgoyntai ston Prwqypoyrgo na ejafanistei to biblio, na bgei o Prwqypoyrgos kai na kanei mia dhlwsh oti qa aposyrqei to biblio. Aytoi (den akoygetai) einai oi periergoi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Oxi, den moy apanthsate.

ANTWNAROS: Edwsa synolikh apanthsh h opoia kai isxyei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Allh erwthsh apo kei kai ystera . Epanw se ayto poy mas apanthsate. Kai sas lew oti Ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs eishgoyntai ayto to pragma, enw eseis exete pei oti brisketai periergh ayth th stash. Kai sas erwtw. H periergh stash afora toys Ypoyrgoys poy eishgoyntai ayto ston Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw kamia tetoia eishghsh.

MELIGKWNHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema toy nayagioy ths Santorinhs. Eipate osa eipate prin, wstoso meta apo erwthsh toy eyrwboyleyth k. Papadhmoylh, o k. Stayros Dhmas eipe oti oi ellhnikes Arxes den zhthsan bohqeia apo ton koinotiko mhxanismo Politikhs Prostasias, opws qa ofeilan. Dedomenoy, loipon, oti oi tetrakosioi peripoy tonoi paramenoyn sto byqo ths Santorinhs, den prokyptoyn eyqynes gia oligwria ths politikhs hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias;

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate oti den isxyoyn oi isxyrismoi oti h kybernhsh janagrafei Istoria h oti h kybernhsh grafei Istoria...

ANTWNAROS: Einai asteiothtes ayta.

GKOYTZANHS: Asteiothtes kai perigracate kai mia diadikasia h opoia exei ginei. Mhpws mporeite na mas peite kiolas, an exete thn plhroforia, qa aposyrqei to biblio ths Istorias; Den apodidw eyqynes sthn kybernhsh. Rwtaw an jerete an qa aposyrqei to biblio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti otan ginoyn oles oi diorqwseis sto yparxon biblio, h ypoyrgos k. Giannakoy qa kanei anakoinwseis. Einai safes ayto to opoio lew. Exw thn entypwsh mono oti merikes fores, epeidh sas entypwnontai orismenes fraseis oi opoies den proerxontai apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, epanalambanete aytes tis fraseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Prospaqoyme na aposafhnizoyme, gia na mhn yparxoyn...

ANTWNAROS: Einai apolytws safh osa sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Mhpws jerete pote qa oloklhrwqoyn oi diorqwseis;

ANTWNAROS: 'Otan oloklhrwqoyn, qa to plhroforhqeite.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei xronodiagramma;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mporeite telika k. Ekproswpe na mas diabebaiwsete ean o k. Koyrhs apolambanei ths amerisths empistosynhs toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Pros arsin amfiboliwn, qa moy epitrecete na sas diabasw jana olh thn arxikh moy dhlwsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Oxi, oxi!

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti o k. Koyrhs diapragmateyqhke me epityxia ena daneio idiaitera epwfeles gia thn ellhnikh Politeia, to ellhniko dhmosio, toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw caxnw na brw tis mizes, dhladh pws egine kai dierreyse to pragma...

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh h kybernhsh kalyptei ton k. Koyrh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia kai kat epanalhch shmera se ayto to qema.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prin gia to biblio ths Istorias oti oi syggrafeis grafoyn ta biblia...

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, eipa oi syggrafeis oi istorikoi, oi eidikoi.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Poios desmeyei thn omada twn syggrafewn na labei ypoch ths parathrhseis ths Akadhmias h twn allwn forewn;

ANTWNAROS: Ma aytes akribws oi parathrhseis, oi opoies akribws epeidh proerxontai apo to anwtato pneymatiko idryma ths xwras, thn Akadhmia Aqhnwn, lambanontai ypoch apo th syggrafikh omada kai enswmatwnontai me th morfh diorqwsewn, allagwn, beltiwsewn sto en logw biblio. H diadikasia ayth brisketai se ejelijh. Exw thn aisqhsh oti oloklhrwnetai kai synepws otan oloklhrwqei kai einai etoimo to ponhma, qa kanei sxetikes anakoinwseis h k. Giannakoy.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Einai ypoxrewmenoi, omws, na laboyn ypoch toys...

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew oti ginontai ypodeijeis, exoyn ekfrastei diafores apoceis. H gkama twn ypodeijewn, twn apocewn, oi opoies exoyn ekfrastei gia to biblio einai para polles. Alloimono ean se mia dhmokratia kapoios den exei to dikaiwma na ekfrasei thn apoch toy gia kati.

Sas eyxaristw.

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