Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-06-04

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 4 Ioynioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 76958709

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Ioynioy 2007

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa parastei, ayrio Trith 5 Ioynioy, stis 6.30 to apogeyma, sthn enarkthria teleth toy Dieqnoys Synedrioy ``O Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs ton 20o aiwna''. Stis 9 to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa egkainiasei thn ekqesh ``O Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs kai h epoxh toy'' sto Moyseio Mpenakh.

" Egkainiasthke, shmera, apo ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo to ergostasio Mhxanikhs Anakyklwshs kai Biologikhs Epejergasias Aporrimmatwn sta Anw Liosia. To ergostasio ayto arxise na kataskeyazetai to 1997. Ws to 2004, omws --kai para ta terastia posa poy eixan dapanhqei adiafanws-- h leitoyrgia toy htan anyparkth. Meta, loipon, apo polyeteis kaqysterhseis, mesa se tria molis xronia, oloklhrwqhke to ergostasio kai shmera epejergazetai panw apo 1000 tonoys aporrimmatwn hmerhsiws. Problepetai de oti efoson leitoyrghsei kai me epipleon bardies, qa mporei na epejergazetai mexri kai 2000 tonoys aporrimmatwn thn hmera.

H kybernhsh qewrei oti ayto to ergo einai pilotiko kai poly shmantiko gia thn epilysh toy problhmatos diaxeirishs twn sterewn apoblhtwn se oloklhrh thn Attikh. Etsi, ena problhma dekaetiwn me terastia epibarynsh gia to periballon kai thn poiothta zwhs twn katoikwn, bainei pros th lysh toy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos einai o politikos erwtas olwn twn Ellhnwn kai to asteri toy borra;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai, ti qelete na peite.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean den apatwmai, etsi ton prosfwnhse xqes o k. Cwmiadhs sth Qessalonikh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs einai Prwqypoyrgos olwn twn Ellhnwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia synafh erwthsh, moy epitrepete;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean yparxei kati gia ton tropo me ton opoio anaferqhke o k. Cwmiadhs ston k. Giwrgo Papandreoy, as mhn to epanalabw, kai gia to an ayto, symballei sthn omalothta kai sthn yperbash twn diaxwristikwn grammwn toy parelqontos, stis opoies epaneilhmmenws exei anaferqei...

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh kyrie Ekproswpe, esas sas ekfrazoyn ayta poy eipe o k. Cwmiadhs;

ANTWNAROS: Emena, ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, me ekfrazoyn asfalws ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, ta opoia htan poly shmantika. Kai eimai bebaios oti kai eseis, opws oi Ellhnes poy ton parakoloyqhsan, se ayta qa apodwsoyn megalh shmasia.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ena stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias milaei kai ekfrazetai etsi gia ton Proedro ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Eseis den to sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Tima kai sebetai th nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy o Prwqypoyrgos, otan apo th mia ekfwnei proeklogikes omilies kai kanei proeklogika egkainia kai apo thn allh apofeygei na anakoinwsei thn hmeromhnia diejagwghs twn eklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh thn opoia kai den symmerizomai kaqoloy. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke poly diejodika se sygkekrimena epiteygmata, se sygkekrimeno ergo, to opoio exei epitelesei h kybernhsh ston tomea poy htan kai to kentriko qema ths prosynedriakhs ayths synanthshs, sth Qessalonikh. Kai ayto einai pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Ginontai prajh oles oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Ayta akribws poy eipate, deixnoyn oti einai proeklogika ola ayta poy lete. Einai apologismos mias kybernhtikhs qhteias kai osa ejhggeile o Prwqypoyrgos. Oloi, telos pantwn, antilambanontai oti ekane proeklogikh omilia, ektos apo esas.

ANTWNAROS: Eseis epimenete, profanws, sthn apoch oti den exoyn dikaiwma h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos na paroysiazoyn ayta poy pragmatika exoyn kanei.

KAKALHS: Mh moy bazete sto stoma logia poy den lew. Egw lew to ejhs: Giati den lete, thn hmeromhnia twn eklogwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oi ekloges qa ginoyn sthn wra toys.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to exei pei h kybernhsh me poly jekaqaro tropo.

MELIGKWNHS: Aplws, yparxoyn kapoia pragmata ta opoia qewroyntai ligo ypopta, dhladh, afenos o k. Paylopoylos, ap` o,ti maqainoyme, exei arxisei telos pantwn thn proetoimasia toy kratikoy mhxanismoy, oytws wste na einai panta etoimos gia ekloges, afeteroy h etairia DELTA SINGULAR exei kanei aithsh gia tis epiprosqetes thlefwnikes grammes poy synhqws xreiazontai thn hmera twn eklogwn. Ola ayta den einai deigmata gia kati;

ANTWNAROS: Den to ``maqainete'', to eipe o idios o k. Paylopoylos...

MELIGKWNHS: Akribws.

ANTWNAROS: Synepws kai o k. Paylopoylos topoqethqhke panw se ayto to qema, me apolyta jekaqaro tropo. Eipe oti to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, ana pasa stigmh, prepei na einai etoimo. Ayth einai kai h apostolh, metajy twn allwn, toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Einai ston programmatismo ths kybernhshs to na mas anakoinwnete, ean egkainiasthke mia xwmaterh h oxi;(Den akoygetai) mexri tis ekloges ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den antilhfqhkate th megalh shmasia toy sygkekrimenoy ergoy.

GKOYTZANHS: An oi anafores toy k. Paylopoyloy den htan ypoptes, tote giati den tis ekane prin apo tria xronia, na mas pei oti ana pasa stigmh einai etoimo gia ekloges to Ypoyrgeio; H prin apo dyo xronia.

ANTWNAROS: O Ypoyrgos topoqethqhke, sas eipa, me apolyth safhneia. Sas apasxolei para poly to qema twn eklogwn kai sas apasxolei sxedon apo ton prwto xrono ths diadromhs ayths ths kybernhshs. H kybernhsh, opws exw pei kai alles fores, exei ergo na kanei akomh, to kanei, paragei sygkekrimena apotelesmata kai ta apotelesmata ayta ta katagrafoyn oi Ellhnes polites.

TSIOYFOS: Dhmosieyma ths ``Hmerhsias'' to Sabbato, anaferetai ston paratypo, ws pros to xrono ths symbashs, toy diorismoy toy k. Panagopoyloy sthn ERT. Symfwna me to dhmosieyma, o k. Panagopoylos antikatesthse ton prokatoxo toy kai h prokhryjh ths qeshs anaferotan, opws problepei kai o nomos oti qa kalypte to ypoloipo toy xronoy toy prokatoxoy toy. Antiqeta, o k. Panagopoylos ypegrace mia symbash pentaetoys diarkeias, enw qa eprepe h symbash ayth na einai dieths. Exete kapoia apanthsh gia to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy to qema.

TSIOYFOS: Den to gnwrizete to qema gia th symbash toy k. Panagopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa to syzhthsw me ton k. Roysopoylo kai eimai bebaios oti o k. Roysopoylos qa sas enhmerwsei.

PEPONHS: Mias kai h wra exei mpei sthn politikh orologia entona, thn anaferate kai prohgoymenws, poia qa einai ayth h wra twn eklogwn; Qa einai h syntagmatikh wra h kapoia wra poy qa thn orisei o Prwqypoyrgos, opws exei to dikaiwma;

ANTWNAROS: Ta exoyme pei ayta. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas exete pei polles fores oti to qema twn omologwn exei kleisei gia thn kybernhsh. Koitwntas to xqesino kyriakatiko Typo, synexizete na exete thn idia aisqhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei polles fores oti h syzhthsh gia to qema twn omologwn exei ejantlhqei kai exei parei to dromo toy gia th Dikaiosynh kai tis armodies Arxes. Se ayth th dhlwsh menw.

KAKALHS: H arsh ths monimothtas twn neodiorizomenwn sto steno dhmosio tomea einai h epomenh megalh metarryqmish ths kybernhshs amesws meta tis ekloges, mazi me to Asfalistiko;

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy synagete ayto;

KAKALHS: Apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den th diabasate kala. Dioti, qema arshs ths monimothtas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn den tiqetai.

KAKALHS: Twn yphretoyntwn.

ANTWNAROS: Thn eggyatai to Syntagma...

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy;

KAKALHS: Qema arshs gia toys yphretoyntes. Gia th synexeia; Gia toys neodiorizomenoys ti ginetai; Ayto einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Qema arshs ths monimothtas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn den tiqetai. Thn eggyatai to Syntagma kai den thn aggizei kanenas. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe, gia mia akomh fora, ayto poy kai o idios kai o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos exoyn pei epaneilhmmena kai exei sxesh me thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos kai sygkekrimena toy Arqroy 103 toy isxyontos Syntagmatos. Se ti apoblepei h sxetikh protash; Mesa sto dhmosio tomea, mesa sto Dhmosio, yparxoyn kai ayth th stigmh polloi ergazomenoi, oi opoioi den exoyn kaqestws monimoy ypallhloy. Aytoi oi ypallhloi den exoyn dikaiwma anelijhs, den exoyn dikaiwma proagwghs, den exoyn dikaiwma ypografhs. Me thn protash thn opoia exei kataqesei h Nea Dhmokratia --kai einai pentakaqarh pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, den einai kati kainoyrio-- didetai h dynatothta se aytoys toys ypallhloys na exoyn akribws ayth thn anelijh mesa sthn ierarxia. Gi` aytoys milame. Yparxoyn, hdh, sto Dhmosio, gia osoys den qeloyn na to syneidhtopoihsoyn, ypallhloi oi opoioi den einai monimoi. Den exoyn to kaqestws toy monimoy. Aytoi oi ypallhloi yparxoyn shmera kai qa yparxoyn kai sto mellon. Gia logoys eswterikhs dikaiosynhs kai kalyterhs leitoyrgias ths dhmosias dioikhshs, prepei kai aytoi oi ypallhloi na apokthsoyn ayta ta dikaiwmata poy sas anefera prohgoymenws. Se ayto apoblepei h protash ths Neas Dhmokratias, h protash ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla me poio kaqestws qa proslambanontai oi neodiorizomenoi sto dhmosio tomea;

ANTWNAROS: Opws proslambanontai mexri shmera.

KAKALHS: Den exei protash h kybernhsh na allajei ayto to kaqestws;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ayto sas ejhgw.

KAKALHS: Ma, ayth einai h protash ths sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Den exete diabasei kala thn protash gia anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Sas lew akribws peri tinos prokeitai.

KAKALHS: Mhpws qa moy peite alliws meta tis ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia kai h kybernhsh h opoia sxhmatisthke meta thn eklogikh nikh ths Neas Dhmokratias, prin apo tria xronia kai treis mhnes, exei meinei apolyta pisth sta osa exei ejaggeilei.

KAKALHS: Tote, den exoyn thn idia gnwmh 250.000 symbasioyxoi.

ANTWNAROS: Se omhria para pollwn etwn kratoysan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis toys symbasioyxoys gia politikoys logoys. Ayth h kybernhsh einai poy edwse lysh sto qema twn symbasioyxwn. Epeidh monos sas anaferate toys symbasioyxoys, oi 33.000 symbasioyxoi, poy ekanan xrhsh twn dikaiwmatwn poy toys dinoyn oi ryqmiseis, einai metajy ekeinwn oi opoioi qa epwfelhqoyn apo aytes tis ryqmiseis poy sas anefera prohgoymenws. Qa mporoyn na exoyn thn anelijh ekeinh, thn opoia mexri twra oi mh monimoi dhmosioi ypallhloi den mporoyn na thn exoyn mesa sto Dhmosio.

MELIGKWNHS: Se synenteyjh toy, xqes, o eyrwboyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Antwnhs Samaras eipe oti den dexetai o idios h den qelei o idios mia synqeth onomasia ws lysh sto qema ths onomasias ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias. Ayth einai kai qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth. Thn exoyme paroysiasei. Den allazei tipota. H kybernhsh yposthrizei thn ejeyresh mias amoibaias apodekths lyshs sto qema toy onomatos mesa apo th diadikasia toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, sthn opoia, opws gnwrizete, h Ellada exei metasxei mexri shmera me poly epoikodomhtiko tropo.

KYRITSHS: Oso den brisketai ayth h amoibaia apodekth lysh, h Ellada prokeitai na synainesei sthn eisdoxh ths P.G.D.M. sto NATO me thn onomasia ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Kai se ayto, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai apolytws jekaqarh. Exoyn topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Septembrio toy 2005 yparxei dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo thn Praga oti ta Skopia den mporoyn na proxwrhsoyn aproskopta stoys eyrwatlantikoys qesmoys, ean prohgoymenws den breqei mia amoibaia apodekth lysh sto qema ths onomasias. Isxyei ayth h qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei poly prosfata. Oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy isxyoyn.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe qa mporoysame na poyme oti o k. Samaras meta apo 15 xronia dikaiwnetai afoy apo to 93 elege oti ta Skopia mporoyn na qesoyn qemata alytrwtikwn ajiwsewn kai shmera to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn milaei gi ayto to pragma;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia tis dhlwseis aytes.

GKOYTZANHS: H qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ontws einai gnwsth thn epanelabe arketes fores kai sthn Aystralia. Kalese ta Skopia na kanoyn ta dika toys bhmata giati h Ellada exei kanei ta dika ths. Wstoso to qema poy yparxei edw einai ean ta Skopia qa entaxqoyn sto NATO me thn proswrinh toys onomasia h oxi. Ws pros ayto pote qa jekaqarisei thn qesh ths h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei topoqethsh toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn apo xqes gia to qema ayto.

MELIGKWNHS: Pragmati diabasame aythn thn topoqethsh, wstoso qa eidate, yparxoyn analyseis oi opoies lene oti meta apo ayton ton eligmo, opws ton xarakthrise kai o k. Koymoytsakos toy k .Tsebenkofski einai pio dyskolh h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs. Qewreite oti einai pio dyskolh h qewreite ayton ton eligmo ws mia ypoxwrhsh apo thn pleyra twn Skopiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh Politeia, h Ellada symmetexei me poly epoikodomhtiko tropo --kai ayto anagnwrizetai apo oloys-- sth diadikasia h opoia exei symfwnhqei sta plaisia toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

MELIGKWNHS: Qewreite wstoso oti einai ypoxwrhsh h dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias oti dexetai na mpei h xwra toy sto NATO me thn proswrinh onomasia;

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw sth dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe xqes h efhmerida moy eixe ena qema gia ton Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs ton k. Panoyrh o opoios ta teleytaia xronia, exei ftiajei treis billes sthn Mykono kai ektos apo ayto o yios toy einai diorismenos se dyo nomoparaskeyastikes epitropes toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs enw kai h korh toy einai topoqethmenh sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs. Ola ayta gia ton k. Panoyrh sas fainetai oti synadoyn me to yfos kai hqos thn neas diakybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw o Genikos Grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs qa aposteilei pantws epistolh sthn efhmerida sas sxetika me ayto to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Ara gia thn Kybernhsh den yparxei qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia thn diarrhjh poy egine sto grafeio toy k. Shmith kai qa hqela na moy peite to ejhs : Ean alhqeyei to dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ta ``NEA'' poy leei oti sthn froyra toy k. Mhtsotakh exoyn apospastei 30 antres ths Astynomias enw stoy k. Shmith 15; Kai an ginetai ayto giati; Afoy kai oi dyo einai prwhn. Epeidh o enas einai ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw pws katalhgete se tetoia symperasmata. Sas parapempw pantws sthn anakoinwsh thn opoia exei ekdwsei to Arxhgeio ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Eimai bebaios oti an apeyqynqeite sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia qa sas dwsei kai gia th sygkekrimenh pleyra toy qematos ta stoixeia ta opoia epiqymeite.

MELIGKWNHS: H kybernhsh pws sxoliazei th logokrisia poy synebh sthn ekqesh ART AQHNA; Epishs, exete kapoio sxolio gia tis plhrofories oti o poliths poy kathggeile to gegonos feretai na einai stelexos toy LAOS;

ANTWNAROS: Sto deytero qema den exw kamia plhroforia. Sthn prwth sas erwthsh h kybernhsh sxoliazei me thn dhlwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy toy k. Boylgarakh.

KAKALHS: H epistrofh toy k. Sabba Tsitoyridh sthn prwth seira toy prosynedrioy ths Neas Dhmokratias sth Qessalonikh shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos anagnwrizei oti ekane laqos me thn apopomph toy;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai ayqaireta symperasmata sta opoia den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw.

KAKALHS : Ti den mporeite na parakoloyqhsete; Einai poly aplo. Ti shmainei na epanelqei sthn prwth seira toy prosynedrioy ths Neas Dhmokratias o k. Tsitoyridhs o opoios apopemfqhke prin apo ligoys mhnes gia sygkekrimenoys logoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

MELIGKWNHS: Mia poy epanhlqame stis prosynedriakes diadikasies, o k. Nikhtas Kaklamanhs ti ennooyse otan elege oti kapoia stelexh poy katexoyn dhmosies qeseis exoyn koyrastei kai kapoia pasxoyn apo proioysa barhkoia;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den ton rwthsate akomh;

GKOYTZANHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me th dhlwsh toy k. Kaklamanh gia ta kybernhtika stelexh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, oi synedriakes diadikasies, einai diadikasies opoy oloi oi symmetexontes, sta plaisia ths Dhmokratias poy xarakthrizei to Politeyma mas, ekfrazoyn eleyqera tis apoceis toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati jerete oti mporei na dhmioyrghqei parejhghsh. Ekeinos poy pasxei apo barhkoia sthn kybernhsh, opws einai gnwsto, einai o Giwrgos Soyflias. Yparxoyn kai alloi;

ANTWNAROS: Ti einai ayta poy lete;

Sas eyxaristw.

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