Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-03-12

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 12 Martioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 62013074

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 12 Martioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema thn allagh toy klimatos kai tis epiptwseis poy exei sth xwra mas, kaqws epishs kai tis prwtoboylies poy exoyn hdh analhfqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Periballontos, mneia twn opoiwn ekane o Prwqypoyrgos thn perasmenh ebdomada, sth synenteyjh Typoy stis Bryjelles.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KYRITSHS: Epeidh eipate gia allagh toy klimatos, h kybernhsh einai sigoyrh oti ola ayta ta xhmika ta opoia rixnei stoys foithtes einai akindyna gia thn ygeia toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Ektos apo to oti symballoyn sthn allagh toy klimatos -na meinw sto qema- yparxei ena zhthma me th Mhlo, to gnwsto nhsi poy yparxoyn odhgies apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn periballontikh prostasia. Parola ayta, me diypoyrgikh apofash, doqhke h dynatothta na ginontai ergasies ekei kai se ploia-tsimentadika na fortwnoyn kai na jefortwnoyn. Yparxei kapoia ejhghsh gi` ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti exoyn ginei oloi oi aparaithtoi elegxoi apo ta synarmodia ypoyrgeia. Einai apolytws bebaio de, oti oloi oi synarmodioi ypoyrgoi einai sth diaqesh sas prokeimenoy na sas dwsoyn perissoteres plhrofories, efoson xreiasteite.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabasame th synenteyjh toy k. Polydwra shmera sthn ``APOGEYMATINH'', o opoios zhtaei synainesh me thn antipoliteysh gia na antimetwpistei to qema twn koykoyloforwn poy opws leei, einai foithtes. Profanws, exei synennohqei kai me to Megaro Majimoy gia na zhtaei ayto. Poia einai h logikh ths protashs toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsete ton k. Polydwra gia thn opoiadhpote dieykrinish. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei gia oles aytes tis kinhtopoihseis poy ginontai ayto to diasthma me aformh ton nomo-plaisio.

KAKALHS: Qa synexisei gia poly kairo h kybernhsh na xrhsimopoiei toys koykoyloforoys gia na xtypaei tis diadhlwseis kai na dikaiologei thn astynomikh bia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai mia apoch thn opoia exete ekfrasei polles fores se erwthsh sas se ayth thn aiqoysa. Exw apanthsei me ton idio tropo. Den qa allajw thn apanthsh moy.

KAKALHS: Yparxei antartiko polewn, symfwna me thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw se tipote perissotero. Se o,ti afora tis kinhtopoihseis, exoyme kanei dhlwseis oi opoies einai safeis.

SPYRAKH: Omws, peran twn kinhtopoihsewn, kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn symbanta ta opoia katagrafontai sto astynomiko deltio. Kai milw gia tis epiqeseis atomwn poy kryboyn to proswpo toys enantion astynomikwn dynamewn oi opoioi briskontai sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Qelw na rwthsw, an anhsyxei h kybernhsh apo thn ejelijh aytoy toy fainomenoy. Eixame dyo tetoies epiqeseis ta teleytaia dyo eikositetrawra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw logo na ekfrasw peraiterw anhsyxia. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti ginetai prospaqeia apo thn Astynomia, me ton kalytero dynato tropo, wste na antimetwpistoyn tetoioy eidoys fainomena.

SARANTAKOS: Thn epilogh toy k. Alabanoy na metabei sth Genikh Astynomikh Dieyqynsh, thn Pempth to brady kai na zhthsei kai synanthsh me toys syllhfqentes, pws th sxoliazei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw thn politikh prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe arxhgos kommatos.

SARANTAKOS: Exei th dynatothta na to kanei, kata th gnwmh sas, enas arxhgos kommatos ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To na analambanei politikes prwtoboylies exei kai dynatothta kai ypoxrewsh. Apo ekei kai pera, otan aytes mpainoyn sto xwro ths Dikaiosynhs... Yparxoyn arketa dhmosieymata poy aforoyn to sygkekrimeno peristatiko. Den hmoyn parwn gia na gnwrizw. Kai se kaqe periptwsh, den qa sxoliasw kati to opoio den gnwrizw pws synebh. Einai bebaio oti o Poinikos Kwdikas einai safhs gia to poioi episkeptontai h mporoyn na episkefqoyn kratoymenoys.

BLAXOS: O k. Alabanos kathgorei kai ton Prwqypoyrgo oti metexei se olo ayto to klima, opws leei ``akrodejio klima'' poy dhmioyrgeitai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika pali me th metabash toy k. Alabanoy sth GADA. Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Genikh Astynomikh Dieyqynsh Aqhnwn kai oi Eisaggeleis einai xwros ths Dikaiosynhs; H astynomikh proanakrish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sta basika maqhmata ths Nomikhs, sto prwto etos, mporeite na breite apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Oti oi Eisaggeleis den einai dikastes, einai h apanthsh, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti sta basika egxeiridia ths Nomikhs episthmhs mporeite na breite apanthsh. Den katalabainw giati moy qetete ayto to erwthma.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, etoimazetai h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se paketo paroxwn, to opoio qa yperbainei tis yposxeseis toy PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei pleistakis gia ta oikonomika kai o Prwqypoyrgos dhmosiws kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn se synenteyjeis Typoy. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

SPYRAKH: To erwtw kai me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai, dioti ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs emfanisthke na leei sthn ``Kyriakatikh ELEYQEROTYPIA'' oti ta 950 eyrw poy yposxetai o Giwrgos Papandreoy qa einai liga, katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias se tessera xronia kai afhnei safws na ennohqei oti h kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se parapanw xrhmatodothsh aytoy toy eidoys ths paroxhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti to symperasma poy bgazete, den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Gia na mh ginei parejhghsh, anaferomai sto ``safws na ennohqei''.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa sas epanaferw sthn ypoqesh me ton k. Polydwra, epeidh se mia synenteyjh toy shmera, ean moy epitrepete na kanw kai to sxolio, ekane ena logiko alma o k. Polydwras kai taytise se kapoies periptwseis toys foithtes h orismenoys foithtes me antiejoysiastes, me anarxikoys, afhnontas na ennohqei oti oloi aytoi sympyknwnontai sto proswpo enos koykoyloforoy. H kybernhsh yioqetei tis apoceis aytes toy k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai nwritera. Exw pei tis apoceis ths kybernhshs gia aytoys oi opoioi me ton tropo poy exoyn epilejei, dhladh me mia bia aney prohgoymenoy, prospaqoyn na kanoyn gnwstes tis apoceis toys, ean exoyn apoceis.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizete para poly kala ton orismo ``antartiko polewn''. Ena melos ths kybernhshs, ths dikhs sas, o k. Polydwras...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Leipate prohgoymenws; Eteqh h erwthsh.

MAYRIDHS: Egw qelw na thn epanadiatypwsw, me allo tropo. Leei loipon o k. Polydwras oti yparxei ``antartiko polewn''. Dedomenoy oti gnwrizete ton orismo, eseis symfwneite me thn apoch poy ekfrazei ena melos ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pera apo ta epeisodia, yparxei ena dedomeno poy leei oti ayth th stigmh oi panepisthmiakoi, mia merida twn panepisthmiakwn kai arketoi apo toys foithtes lene pws den qa efarmostei o nomos-plaisio. Kai polles apo tis sxoles paramenoyn kleistes gi` ayton akribws to logo. Pws qa kinhqei h kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema to opoio, kata thn proswpikh moy apoch, einai kai to shmantiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h Boylh twn Ellhnwn apofasise kai chfise ena nomo. Stis Dhmokraties, oi nomoi prepei na ginontai sebastoi.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn perasmenh Pempth eidame ena idiaitera sklhro xtyphma apo thn pleyra ths Astynomias, mia ojynsh, an to qelete, apenanti stoys diadhlwtes. Giati den synelhfqh kaneis koykoyloforos, diadhlwtes synelhfqhsan. Einai ayto politikh apofash h leitoyrghse h Astynomia apo monh ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Astynomia sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn poy exei na yperaspizetai th zwh kai thn asfaleia toy Ellhna polith, kaqws epishs kai th dhmosia kai thn idiwtikh perioysia, enhrghse kai proshgage mia seira apo proswpa ta opoia enexontai se epeisodia. Apo ekei kai pera, h Dikaiosynh exei to logo.

KAKALHS: Epeidh eipate oti prokeitai peri apochs h diasyndesh ths drashs twn koykoyloforwn kai h ajiopoihsh toys apo thn astynomia kai thn kybernhsh. Peite mas pws symbainei na droyn oi koykoyloforoi se ola ta syllalhthria kai to teleytaio kai parola ayta na syllambanontai foithtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw pws exete apolyth gnwsh toy ti einai kaqenas poy synelhfqh kai gia poia kathgoria barynetai. Profanws, exete kalyterh gnwsh toy qematos.

KAKALHS: Den einai oloi foithtes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me th lejh ``foithtes'' ti akribws qelete na peite; Oti, dhladh, den symmeteixan se epeisodia; Ti akribws ennoeite, gia na katalabw;

KAKALHS: Oxi. Eseis qelete na peite oti aytoi einai oi koykoyloforoi, oi foithtes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw poly na dieykrinisete to erwthma sas.

KAKALHS: Den exei shmasia ti lew egw, alla ean eseis lete oti oi foithtes einai koykoyloforoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola exoyn shmasia.

KAKALHS: Einai aytoi koykoyloforoi; Ayto lew. Aytoi poy synelhfqhsan einai koykoyloforoi; Ayth einai h erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Perimenontas na akoysw sygkekrimenh erwthsh den qa sas dwsw kamia allh apanthsh, plhn aytwn poy exw hdh dwsei.

KAKALHS: Nai. Den apantate, omws, ean oi foithtes poy synelhfqhsan einai koykoyloforoi kai me ayto apodeiknyetai oti h astynomia kanei kala th doyleia ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se seira erwthsewn. Malista, sto erwthma synadelfoy sas, ligo nwritera, katelhja na pw oti h Dikaiosynh exei to logo, opws se kaqe Dhmokratia. Fantazomai ayto na mhn to amfisbhteite.

BLAXOS: Ayth thn wra poy milame kapoia paidakia ths St' Dhmotikoy maqainoyn thn istoria ths Elladas. Pisteyete oti kalws th maqainoyn opws ayth katagrafetai sto biblio; Kakws th maqainoyn kai ara kati prepei na ginei; Kai ti einai ayto poy prepei na ginei kata thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia antiparaqesh h opoia qa hqela na meinei se episthmoniko epipedo. Ws ek toytoy: Prwton, den dikaioymai na parw dhmosia eite kai kat` idian qesh apo th stigmh poy den exw plhrh gnwsh toy qematos. Den eimai armodios episthmonas, istorikos. Omws, qa hqela na sas qymisw -kai shmeiwste to- ayto poy eipame otan ta biblia ayta prwtokykloforhsan kai estalhsan sta sxoleia. Tote, eixe eipwqei apo thn armodia ypoyrgo Paideias oti ta biblia ayta qa dokimastoyn sto pedio, sthn prajh. Apo ekei kai pera, oi episthmones qa apofasisoyn ean xreiazetai na ginei opoiadhpote allagh se opoiodhpote apo ta polla kainoyrgia biblia, poy briskontai hdh sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia.

POYLIDOY: Qelw na epanelqw sto erwthma ths k. Spyrakh. Profanws, eseis allo symperasma bgalate apo to synenteyjh toy k. Tsitoyridh. Qelete na mas peite ti katalabainete eseis otan o ypoyrgos leei oti einai liga ta lefta poy problepei to PASOK; Ara;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw synhqisei -kai nomizw oti to exw deijei sthn prajh- na aplopoiw nohmata h synenteyjeis oi opoies mporei na exoyn katalabei poly perissotero xwro apo ta oliga deyterolepta ths erwthshs kai mias apanthshs. Den qelw na adikhsw kanenan, oyte ton erwtwnta dhmosiografo, oyte ton apantwnta ypoyrgo. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero. O ypoyrgos exei dwsei tis dikes toy apanthseis. Profanws ejhgei toys logoys stoys opoioys anaferetai, dinontas thn kaqe apanthsh. Den exw na symplhrwsw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema me toys koykoyloforoys me aformh ta epeisodia kai epeidh ta teleytaia 24wra yparxei mia ojynsh, h opoia exei metaferqei kai sto epipedo twn arxhgwn apo thn pleyra toy proedroy toy SYN. Se ayto, omws, exei antapokriqei apo o,ti blepw kai o idios o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, o opoios afhse na ennohqei toylaxiston symperasmatika to lew ``afhse na ennohqei''- oti kapoies politikes dynameis poy den dieykrinizei eite anexontai, eite kalyptoyn tetoies energeies apo koykoyloforoys h telos pantwn apo akraia stoixeia. H kybernhsh symmerizetai tis apoceis aytes kai ean nai, tote poies politikes dynameis qewrei oti kalyptoyn tis akraies symperifores;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy moy anaferete einai dhlwsh;

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo ton k. Polydwra.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei ena apospasma sthn efhmerida ``Apogeymatinh'', ean moy epitrepete na sas to diabasw: ''Osoi toys ``kleinoyn to mati'' h toys kalyptoyn, den prosferoyn yphresies oyte sth Dhmokratia, oyte ston idio toys ton eayto. As to skeftoyn poly kala ayto''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Ti dieykrinish qelete apo emena;

PALAIOLOGOS: Ean yioqeteite oti kapoies politikes dynameis kleinoyn to mati h estw, telos pantwn, kalyptoyn me tis fteroyges toys tetoies akraies symperifores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h idia topoqethsh poy exw kanei kai sto parelqon gia antistoixa epeisodia kai analoges dhlwseis. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh symmerizetai h yioqetei thn apoch toy k. Meimarakh oti prepei ta adikhmata poy diaprattontai kata th diarkeia twn syllalhthriwn h sth diarkeia twn epeisodiwn na metatrapoyn se idiwnyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean exei ginei kapoia syzhthsh toylaxiston metajy twn armodiwn forewn. Ean enhmerwqw gia kati tetoio, qa sas pw.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw sthn apanthsh poy moy dwsate prohgoymenws. Epikalesthkate prohgoymenh dhlwsh ths k. Giannakoy, legontas oti qa dokimastei to biblio sthn prajh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola ta biblia. Gia polla sas eipa, oxi gia ena.

BLAXOS: Ara kai to epimaxo biblio. Ayto shmainei oti qa afhsoyme kapoia paidakia na maqoyn thn istoria strebla.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy lete proypoqetei na teleiwsei h ekpaideytikh diadikasia sthn E' Dhmotikoy. Epanalambanw, gia na mhn yparxoyn parejhghseis: Yparxoyn ejeidikeymenoi episthmones, istorikoi, oi opoioi exoyn asxolhqei me th syggrafh twn bibliwn. Sigoyra yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis, diaforetikes proseggiseis. Dhmosiws den mporw na pw tipote perissotero. Kai den qelw na pw tipote perissotero apo ayto poy exei pei h ypoyrgos Paideias: Ta biblia ayta, apo th stigmh poy exoyn eisaxqei sthn ekpaideytikh diadikasia, qa kriqoyn sthn prajh. Qa kriqoyn kai apo toys daskaloys, qa kriqoyn apo toys maqhtes. Krinontai en genei apo thn koinwnia kai sth synexeia aytoi poy analambanoyn th syggrafh, tyxon allages ean xreiazetai na ginoyn, einai ejeidikeymenoi episthmones h istorikoi.

BLAXOS: Mesa sthn koinwnia bazete kai osoys ezhsan ekeines tis stigmes kai exoyn metaferei tis martyries toys sthn Ellada, sta paidia toys, sta eggonia toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw na exoyme shmera, 200 xronia meta, kapoioys poy ezhsan thn Epanastash toy '21. Ara;

BLAXOS: Milaw gia th Smyrnh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw sth diadikasia na syzhthsoyme gia to poia einai h diatypwsh enos kommatioy se kaqe biblio Istorias h se kapoio biblio ths Istorias. Epanalambanw oti to Ypoyrgeio Paideias exei kanei apo thn arxh safh thn proqesh toy, poly protoy staloyn ta biblia  opws qymaste- sta sxoleia gia na didaxqoyn ta paidia toys.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apodexeste th diatypwsh toy erwthmatos oti didaskonta strebla ta paidia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apodexomai oti kaqe dhmosiografos mporei na kanei opoiadhpote erwthsh qelei.

POYLIDOY: Oxi. Lew sthn apanthsh sas. Apodexeste ayth th diatypwsh oti einai streblh h enhmerwsh (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas odhgei sto symperasma ayto tyxon tetoia dikh moy diatypwsh; Ekana kapoia tetoia diatypwsh kai to rwtate...

POYLIDOY: Oxi, den dieykrinisate, gi` ayto sas to rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... h emeine kati metewro;

POYLIDOY: Nai, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean diabasoyme to keimeno ths apanthshs, nomizw oti den qa exei meinei kati metewro kai den qa exei xreiastei sto metajy na kanw thn opoiadhpote parembash, ennoeitai sto keimeno.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan mia diadhlwsh dexetai epiqesh me gklomp kai xhmika, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, yparxei kapoios tropos na prostateyqei h na amynqei h prepei amesws na dialyqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti prospaqeite na ejagete symperasmata...

KYRITSHS: Erwthsh htan. Eixe kai erwthmatiko sto telos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... Prospaqeite na ejagete symperasmata, exontas topoqethsei mia sygkekrimenh optikh gwnia sthn erwthsh sas. Den shmainei oti mporoyme na symfwnoyme sthn optikh gwnia.

KYRITSHS: Apanthste apo th dikh sas. Den exw... Ama htan, qa eixame allajei roloys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me kalyptei h apanthsh thn opoia edwsa nwritera kai exw dwsei kai tis prohgoymenes meres s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, synolikotera kai politika an qelete, einai h prwth fora, ap` o,ti qymamai egw toylaxiston, toylaxiston apo thn periodo  90- 93, poy exoyme toshs entashs kai ektashs epeisodia enqen kai enqen kai apo toys astynomikoys kai apo toys koykoyloforoys h toys diadhlwtes. Den problhmatizetai h kybernhsh gi` ayto to qema; Den anhsyxei mhpws exoyme kati xeirotero;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti blepw to ena ``enqen''. Apo thn pleyra ths astynomias den blepw na exoyme ayto to opoio perigrafete. H astynomia sthn teleytaia diadhlwsh synelabe peri toys 50 h 60 -ean qymamai kala- oi opoioi odhghqhkan me th gnwsth diadikasia poy problepetai apo toys nomoys toy ellhnikoy kratoys sto aytofwro gia ta peraiterw.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti kai o k. Alabanos poy eixe paei sth GADA alla kai oi synhgoroi twn syllhfqentwn h prosaxqentwn, giati den eixe dieykrinistei, kataggelloyn oti den htan akribhs h diadikasia. Dhladh, paroti eipan oti einai prosaxqentes den toys epetrepan na doyn dikhgoro, den toys epetrepan na doyn toys goneis toys. Thn idia wra toys ekanan anakrish, dhladh, den htan kai toso nomotyph. H estw me eisagwgika, me erwthmatiko ayth h diadikasia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw oti sxedon sthn arxh ths syzhthshs mas shmera, akoysa oti enw epitrepotan se dikhgoroys h se syggeneis den epitrepotan se politiko arxhgo. Twra moy lete kati teleiws diaforetiko. Se kaqe periptwsh, exw empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh. To exw dhlwsei polles fores apo th qesh toy Ekproswpoy Typoy ths Neas Dhmokratias sthn antipoliteysh kai apo th qesh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Pisteyw oti kalo qa htan na exoyme oloi mas empistosynh sth Dikaiosynh. Ayth einai poy telika, me bash to Syntagma mas, qa apofasisei gia to an diepraxqhsan kapoia adikhmata kai poia htan ayta.

GKOYTZANHS: Epishs, ean moy epitrepete, yphrxe paroysia eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy ekei. Mia diadikasia h opoia den synhqizetai. Eixe proyparjei kapoia synennohsh toy me to Majimoy h me ton k. Papalhgoyra h me ton k. Polydwra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ennoeite legontas ean synhqizetai h den synhqizetai. Qa dexomoyn ena erwthma ean elege oti einai kati paratypo h paranomo apo thn pleyra ths Politeias. Ekeino poy prepei na synhqisoyme einai oti yparxoyn nomoi oi opoioi prepei na throyntai.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den blepete bia apo thn meria ths astynomias kai ayto to lete meta thn ypoqesh ths zarntinieras, ton agrio jylodarmo dhladh toy Kyprioy foithth, meta thn ypoqesh me ton pyrobolismo ston aera apo ton eidiko froyro poy apodeixqhke oti ceydontan h astynomikh dieyqynsh. Dhladh, poy odhgoymaste; Epanerxetai sthn epikairothta h frash toy Mhtsotakh ``to kratos eiste eseis'' pros toys astynomikoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo edw to phgate, apo ekei to ferate, jana sto idio symperasma to phgate. Eipa kati peri toy ``enqen kai enqen'' toy synadelfoy sas k. Gkoytzanh. Parakalw poly, na mhn pairnete ta logia moy kai ta bazete opws eseis qelete sto diko sas to stoma h opws to antilambaneste h opws -epeidh eiste eyfyhs- qelete na ta paroysiasete. Sthn ypoqesh thn opoia anaferate, sas qymizw oti eixame apo thn pleyra ths astynomias kai ereyna kai poines, aysthres malista, stoys astynomikoys oi opoioi yperebhsan to kaqhkon toys.

KAKALHS: Alla den eixame neo gia th ypoqesh me ton astynomiko, ton periorismo toy eidikoy froyroy. Yphrje plhrhs kalych.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h kybernhsh blepei eyqynes sto foithtiko kinhma gia ta epeisodia poy ginontai se kaqe poreia h diakrinei to foithtiko kinhma kai toys foithtes oi opoioi diadhlwnoyn giati zhtoyn kapoia pragmata apo toys ligoys koykoyloforoys poy pareisfryoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw aytonohth thn apanthsh oti to foithtiko kinhma einai ena kinhma to opoio exei prosferei sth Dhmokratia. Kai kaneis den dikaioytai, gia na paijei ta dika toy paixnidia, na to ekmetalleyetai pros th mia h thn allh kateyqynsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes h efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' eixe dhmosieyma gia thn syzygo toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy k. Boylgarakh oti ta teleytaia xronia exoyn ayjhqei ta symbolaia ths, epeidh einai symbolaiografos, kai antistoixa ta eisodhmata. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia dhlwsh toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy h opoia ejedoqh arga xqes to apogeyma kai nomizw oti kalyptei apolyta to qema. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto qema poy miloysame pio prin, gia th bia enqen kai enqen. Thn perasmenh Pempth polloi aytoptes martyres alla kai ta plana ths thleorashs katedeijan agrio jylodarmo kai se polloys diadhlwtes. Dhladh, oloi blepame oti otan kyklwnontan kapoia mplok, edarhsan agria kai diadhlwtes. Ayto ektimatai ws parapleyrh apwleia ths epixeirhshs na syllhfqoyn h einai bia kaqara astynomikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia ektimhsh. Qa parameinw se osa exw pei mexri twra.

MELIGKWNHS: Otan lete oti oydeis dikaioytai na ekmetalleyetai gia kapoioys skopoys to foithtiko kinhma, na ypoqesw oti milate mono gia toys koykoyloforoys h h kybernhsh blepei kai kapoioys alloys poy... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh aifnhs den to kanei. Den qa to ekane pote h Nea Dhmokratia.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes pali sthn efhmerida moy yphrxe ena dhmosieyma oti to grafeio sas eixe paraggeilei se dyo antitypa ena biblio ``Oi kata monas hdones''. Qelate na to xarisete se kapoioys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai mia poy hmaste sto xwro, edw sto briefing, yparxei kapoio sxolio ek meroys sas gia th symbolikh katalhch poy ginetai ejw apo to xwro toy briefing;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Arkei na afhsoyn toys dhmosiografoys na mpoyn kai na bgoyn eleyqera gia na kanoyn th doyleia toys eleyqera.

Sas eyxaristw.

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