Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-03-05

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 5 Martioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 60769556

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 5 Martioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Yparxei tis epomenes hmeres, sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, synanthsh me thn POSDEP;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KORAH: To metwpo ths Paideias ejelissetai se mia anwmalia h opoia qa odhgoyse se prowres ekloges gia eqniko logo, opws eipe o epikefalhs ths omadas Eyrwboyleytwn ths N.D. o k. Barbitsiwths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw dhlwseis. Spaniws kanw ejairesh se ayto ton kanona. Se o,ti afora to erwthma peri eklogwn, exei apanthqei eparkws. Isxyei h idia apanthsh.

KORAH: Ma, etsi opws ejelissetai to metwpo sthn Paideia, sas anhsyxei, ojynetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den symfwnw me th diatypwsh oti ejelissetai kapoioy eidoys metwpo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa mas dwsete toylaxiston mia ejhghsh. Eseis kaqe ebdomada bgainete kai lete oti to qema twn eklogwn exei apanthqei kai kaqe ebdomada kapoioi ypoyrgoi h ychlobaqma stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos milane gia ekloges. Ti ginetai; Den pisteyoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Nomizw oti pro kairoy eixa erwthqei akribws to idio pragma.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai epishs den eixate kanena sxolio...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws.

KAKALHS: Twra poy apodeixqhke oti o eidikos froyros aproklhta kai anaitia eixe pyrobolhsei ston aera kata th diarkeia toy syllalhthrioy thn perasmenh Pempth, h kybernhsh giati den anakalese thn politikh sthrijh kai kalych poy eixe prosferei toso sthn anakoinwsh ths ELAS, thn ceydh, oso kai se ayto kaqayto to gegonos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw pws bgazete ayta ta symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Den eidate to binteo sta kanalia eseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bgazete kapoia symperasmata ta opoia, kata th gnwmh moy, einai ayqaireta.

KAKALHS: Den einai ta symperasmata ayqaireta. Milhsan me gegonota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi diatypwseis tis opoies kanate sthn erwthsh sas.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai) Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn exei pei o k. Antwnaros thn perasmenh ebdomada.

BLAXOS: Otan lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei poly aneptygmeno to aisqhma toy timing, ti akribws ennoeite; Oti mporei ana pasa stigmh, o Prwqypoyrgos na krinei oti mporei akomh kai na paei se ekloges h akomh kai na dromologhsei th diadikasia diadoxhs mesa sthn epomenh tetraetia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthqei to qema twn eklogwn. H prwth erwthsh htan ayth. To exw pei para polles fores. Den yparxei tipote to opoio na krybetai pisw apo ayth th dhlwsh. Nomizw oti einai jekaqarh.

BLAXOS: Kai h diadoxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gi` ayto rwthqhka. Ekei einai poy profanws anafereste, se mia dikh moy synenteyjh, thn Kyriakh.

BLAXOS: Nai. Mporeite na mas ejhghsete ti ennoeite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto htan to erwthma kai h apanthsh einai ayth h opoia exw dwsei.

BLAXOS: To timing, apo ti ejartatai kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epeidh den diabazoyme efhmerides ths Kyriakhs, mporeite na mas to peite kai emas kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas to pw kat` idian.

BLAXOS: To timing poy lete, oti exei aisqhsh toy timing o k. Karamanlhs se o,ti afora th diadoxh toy, apo ti ejartatai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anaferomai genika se o,ti afora thn proseggish toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta diafora qemata, mikra h megala kai nomizw oti ayto prokyptei apo tis apanthseis sth sygkekrimenh synenteyjh. Oxi mono sto sygkekrimeno qema.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to gegonos oti oi dynameis oi opoies antitiqentai sto nomo-plaisio kai prohgoymenws sto arqro 16, enisxysan shmantika tis qeseis toys sto synedrio kaqhghtwn toy Panepisthmioy se syndyasmo me to gegonos oti oi perissoteres sxoles paramenoyn ypo katalhch kai oi katalhceis aytes epibebaiwnontai mesa apo genikes syneleyseis, se ti symperasma odhgei thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na kanete ligo pio safes to erwthma sas;

KYRITSHS: Pate na chfisete ena nomo-plaisio. Oi dynameis poy lene ``oxi'', metajy aytwn kai oi prytaneis, alla kai oi kaqhghtes twn Panepisthmiwn kai oi foithtes lene ``oxi'', me poion qa to efarmosete ayto to nomo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exete mia idiaiterh antilhch peri ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias.

KYRITSHS: Oxi peri twn maqhmatikwn omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Peri twn maqhmatikwn.

KYRITSHS: Enisxysan tis dynameis toys, oi dynameis aytes sto synedrio ths POSKEP. Anebhke h symmetoxh poy legate oti den yparxei symmetoxh. H ypotiqemenh siwphrh meiochfia den phge ekei na sthrijei tis epiloges ths kybernhshs, oi foithtes chfizoyn na parameinoyn oi sxoles ypo katalhch, ara eisaste apolytws apomonwmenoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete pragmatika idiaiterh antilhch peri twn maqhmatikwn.

KYRITSHS: Peite moy th dikh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste, loipon, ena mikro stoixeio poy exei na kanei me ta maqhmatika kai me th zwh, me thn pragmatikothta: Exei stis dynameis ths h POSDEP -kata dhlwseis twn idiwn twn stelexwn ths- peri ta 3.000 melh DEP. Ta melh DEP sta Panepisthmia ths xwras mas yperbainoyn tis 12.000. Apo tis 3.000, peripoy to 60% chfise yper twn katalhcewn. Dhladh akomh mikroteros ariqmos, kati ligotero apo 2.000 sta pleon twn 12.000 melwn Didaktikoy Proswpikoy twn Panepisthmiwn. Ayto ennow otan lew oti mallon exete idiaiterh antilhch peri twn maqhmatikwn.

KYRITSHS: Sygnwmh, exei melh kai toys 12.000. H siwphrh meiochfia thn opoia epikaleiste, den phge na sthrijei thn politikh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H syntriptikh pleiochfia den phge na chfisei, basei twn ariqmwn poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws.

KYRITSHS: Nai, ara den phge na sthrijei thn politikh ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws. Einai mia idiaiterh antilhch ayth thn opoia exete...

KYRITSHS: ... (Den akoygetai) gia thn kybernhtikh paratajh h opoia patwse sto synedrio ayto. Den apeixate apo ayto. H de Ypoyrgos Paideias den ekane kan thn timh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan balete erwthmatiko, enhmerwste me gia na dwsw apanthsh.

KYRITSHS: Loipon, qa balw erwthmatiko kai teleiwnw thn erwthsh ayth h opoia einai makra. Qelw na sas rwthsw kai giati - mh moy apanthsete mono se ayto- h Ypoyrgos Paideias den phge sto synedrio twn kaqhghtwn toy Panepisthmioy kai protimhse na paei se mia hmerida ths DAKE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, apanthse hdh ekeinh thn hmera h Ypoyrgos Paideias. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos, oi ariqmoi dinoyn syntriptikh apanthsh sto erwthma sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw ena erwthma oysias se o,ti afora th dhlwsh ths neas pleiochfias poy exei diamorfwqei sthn POSDEP. Oi kaqhghtes aytoi, oi panepisthmiakoi, lene oti den qa epitrecoyn na efarmostei o nomos-plaisio. Ayto praktika shmainei gia thn kybernhsh oti mporei na yparxei dyskolia sto na efarmostoyn oi pronoies toy nomoy poy qa isxysoyn apo to Septembrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sth Dhmokratia apofasizei h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, h opoia exei eklegei me dhmokratiko tropo apo thn pleiochfia twn politwn. Apo ekei kai pera, opoios dhlwnei oti den qa efarmosei ena nomo, aytos krinetai, opws krinontai kai oloi oi ypoloipoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, para to gegonos oti h kybernhsh kai proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos emfanizontai apofasismenoi na proxwrhsoyn sthn chfish toy epimaxoy nomosxedioy gia thn Paideia, gia ta Panepisthmia, en toytois akoygontai synexws fwnes apo toys panepisthmiakoys gia anabolh ayths ths syzhthshs. Einai ena erwthma poy to eixa qesei se geniko epipedo. Yparxei kapoios problhmatismos gia ena tetoio endexomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, ayrio arxizei h syzhthsh toy nomosxedioy sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Qa oloklhrwqei ston prokaqorismeno xrono poy problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs.

BLAXOS: Otan lete aytos krinetai, yparxei praktika kati poy h kybernhsh qa efarmosei prokeimenoy oi panepisthmiakoi na efarmosoyn to nomo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh me to nomo ayto  kai moy dinete thn eykairia na dwsw mia akoma genikoterh apanthsh gia olo to qema  oysiastika proxwraei se mia seira apo lyseis problhmatwn kai ikanopoihsh apaithsewn pollwn etwn. H aytonomia toy Panepisthmioy, to aytodioikhto toy Panepisthmioy orizetai apo to Syntagma toy '75. Einai h prwth fora poy ginetai ena toso megalo bhma pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Na sas to dwsw me ena paradeigma, to opoio se merikoys apo esas mporei na to exw pei, eite milwntas sto thlefwno, eite sto periqwrio kapoias apo tis kaqhmerines mas synanthseis: Katargeitai o elegxos skopimothtas apo to Elegktiko Synedrio. Qa doyme ti shmainei ayto sto Dhmosio. Gia na proxwrhsei h opoiadhpote dhmosia yphresia h opoiosdhpote ypoyrgos, opoiodhpote ypoyrgeio se promhqeia - eite einai ylikoy, eite einai sthn agora stoixeiwn poy xreiazetai na leitoyrghsei kalytera to Dhmosio, eite na proxwrhsei se programmata - xreiazetai enas elegxos skopimothtas apo to Elegktiko Synedrio. Ayto, polles fores odhgei se mia grafeiokratikh diadikasia. Den apajiwnei kaneis - to antiqeto malista - to Anwtato ayto Dikasthrio, alla odhgei se mia diadikasia poy den einai toso eyelikth. Erxetai h kybernhsh kai katargei ton elegxo skopimothtas sta Panepisthmia. Leei, loipon, oti to prytaniko Symboylio, o prytanhs, h dioikhsh toy Panepisthmioy, exei th dynatothta na proxwrhsei stis kinhseis ekeines poy qelei, poy krinei oti einai swstes, gia na mporesei na leitoyrghsei pio eyelikta, pio kala to idio to Panepisthmio. Deytero stoixeio to opoio einai shmantiko, kai afora thn aytodioikhsh twn Panepisthmiwn: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxoyn kwdikoi ston proypologismo kaqe ypoyrgeioy, kaqe dhmosioy organismoy, oi opoioi prepei na thrhqoyn aparegklita. O kwdikos poy exei na kanei me tis promhqeies ylikoy, o kwdikos poy afora sthn amoibh twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, o kwdikos poy exei na kanei me thn plhrwmh enoikiwn  ean h dhmosia yphresia sthn opoia anaferomaste exei noikiasei ktirio  einai kwdikoi aysthra prosdiorismenoi. Den epitrepetai h metafora kondyliwn apo ton ena kwdiko ston allo. Erxetai h kybernhsh, loipon, kai kanei ena deytero shmantiko bhma, se oti afora ta panepisthmia, legontas oti to 20% twn xrhmatwn twn panepisthmiwn, kaqe xrono, mporoyn na metaferontai me apofaseis toy prytanikoy symboylioy apo kwdiko se kwdiko, eleyqera. Den exei to dikaiwma ayto kanenas ypoyrgos, kamia dhmosia yphresia. Didetai mono sta panepisthmia kai einai ena deytero poly shmantiko bhma sthn kateyqynsh dhmioyrgias eyeliktwn diadikasiwn, etsi wste, na mporei exontas thn eyqynh to panepisthmio, oi prytanikes arxes, na kanei tis kinhseis poy prepei. Na krinei dhladh ean xreiazetai na anaptyjei ena neo ereynhtiko programma, ean xreiazetai na agorasei ena neo ergasthrio, an xreiazetai na promhqeytei hlektronikoys ypologistes h opoia alla zhthmata ekeino krinei. Exoyme amesws  amesws dyo stoixeia, ta opoia odhgoyn sthn anejarthsia toy panepisthmioy se o,ti afora thn opoia diadikasia kwlysiergias yparxei apo dhmosies diadikasies poy isxyan mexri twra. Trito shmantiko stoixeio: H aytonomia se oti afora thn eyqynh ths dioikhshs. H dioikhsh eklegetai apo ta idia ta panepisthmia. Gnwrizete oti emeis ekeino poy kanoyme einai oti dieyrynoyme to eklektoriko Swma, eklegetai apo ta idia ta panepisthmia kai h monh ypoxrewsh poy exei einai na efarmosei ena eswteriko kanonismo leitoyrgias toy panepisthmioy. Exw pei kai allh fora se ayth thn aiqoysa kai qa to epanalabw oti h teleytaia polykatoikia sthn Ellada exei eswteriko kanonismo leitoyrgias. Polykatoikia me dyo, tria, pente diamerismata exei ena eswteriko kanonismo leitoyrgias oktw, deka, dwdeka daktylografhmenwn selidwn. Den noeitai oloklhro panepisthmio na mhn exei eswteriko kanonismo leitoyrgias. Kai omws yparxoyn panepisthmia poy den exoyn. Leei, loipon, h kybernhsh oti qa dhmioyrghqei ena protypo eswterikoy kanonismoy leitoyrgias, efoson prohgoymenws ta idia ta panepisthmia den proxwrhsoyn apo mona toys sth dhmioyrgia aytoy toy eswterikoy kanonismoy. Tetarto shmeio: To asylo. Sto qema toy asyloy didetai plhrhs aytonomia sta panepisthmia na apofasisoyn. Prwton, poioi einai oi xwroi toy asyloy kai deyteron, pote nomizoyn oi prytanikes arxes oti prepei, ean prepei, na arqei to asylo. Poia einai h megalh diafora metajy toy ti isxyei shmera kai toy ti qa isxyei meta to nomo, o opoios erxetai sth Boylh pros chfish; O shmerinos nomos problepei thn omofwnh apofash olwn twn symmetexontwn sto prytaniko symboylio poy apofasize thn arsh h oxi toy asyloy, poy shmainei oti ean apoysiaze monon enas den qa mporoyse pote na sygklhqei ayto to organo. Enw shmera, o neos nomos problepei thn pleiochfia twn parontwn. Yparxei se kamia Dhmokratia apofash poy prepei na lambanetai omofwna kai oxi kata pleiochfia; Egw gnwrizw oti mono se oloklhrwtika kaqestwta oi apofaseis lambanontai me omofwnia kai oxi kata pleiochfia. Pempto shmeio, se oti afora thn aytodioikhsh kai pali twn panepisthmiwn: Zhta o nomos apo tis prytanikes arxes, oi opoies eklegontai pleon gia tessera xronia, na orizoyn enan programmatismo drashs 4etias. Kai toys zhta - to mono poy prepei na kanoyn - mia fora to xrono, sto telos ths drashs toys, na phgainoyn sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs kai na anaferoyn enwpion olwn twn kommatwn poies htan oi draseis stis opoies proxwrhsan. Na dinoyn dhladh th legomenh koinwnikh logodosia sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn enwpion olwn twn boyleytwn kai oxi sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Sas anefera pente apo ta basika shmeia enos nomosxedioy to opoio odhgei me maqhmatikh akribeia sthn anabaqmish toy dhmosioy panepisthmioy kai sthn aytodioikhsh toy, kanontas prajh, epiteloys, 32 xronia meta, to perifhmo arqro toy Syntagmatos toy 1975. Antilambanomai oti yparxoyn kai diaforetikes apoceis. Pisteyw  kai pisteyei h kybernhsh, kai nomizw ayto einai emfanes  oti h syntriptikh pleionothta twn Ellhnwn politwn tassontai yper aytwn twn allagwn kai oti sthrizei aytes tis allages. Apo ekei kai pera, h Dhmokratia ofeilei sebasmo sthn allh apoch, eite einai meiochfia eite einai pleiochfia.

BLAXOS: Allh htan h erwthsh moy kyrie Ekproswpe. Ean eseis qa exete kapoia peiqarxika metra h kapoia alla metra enantion twn panepisthmiakwn poy den qa efarmosoyn to nomo poy mas perigracate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan sas ekana oloklhrh analysh peri toy aytodioikhtoy toy panepisthmioy, sas eipa oysiastika oti ayto poy to Syntagma zhtoyse edw kai xronia, to kanei prajh ayth h kybernhsh. O kaqenas analambanei tis eyqynes toy.

BLAXOS: Aytoi omws lene oti den qa ton efarmosoyn, asxeta ean eseis blepete qetika...

ROYSOPOYLOS: O kaqenas analambanei tis eyqynes toy.

BLAXOS: Ti qa kanete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Problepetai gia paradeigma ston eswteriko kanonismo leitoyrgia;. Ean den efarmostei entos etoys o eswterikos kanonismos leitoyrgias, tote qa efarmostei to protypo eswterikoy kanonismoy leitoyrgias to opoio qa ftiajei to Eqniko Symboylio Paideias. Oti qa leitoyrghsoyn ta panepisthmia me kanonismo kai oxi anarxa, ayto einai bebaio. Ekeino poy lew kai pali einai oti sth Dhmokratia sebetai kapoios thn meiochfia, sebetai kai thn pleiochfia.

KYRITSHS: Efoson ola ayta ta opoia perigracate - htan mia syntomh perigrafh toy nomoy ton opoio proteinate  h ekpaideytikh koinothta sxedon sto synolo ths ta aporriptei kai sas zhtaei peraiterw dialogo. Giati den dexeste ayth thn protash; Sas kynhgaei kaneis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti exoyme diaforetikh antilhch peri toy ti shmainei pleiochfia kai meiochfia. Ayth einai h prwth parathrhsh. H deyterh parathrhsh einai: Sas qymizw oti o dialogos aytos diarkei peri ta 2,5 xronia. Sas qymizw oti kaname poly megalh syzhthsh se ayth thn aiqoysa ton Ioynio me aformh tis tote kinhtopoihseis kai malista h kybernhsh dexqhke mia seira apo kathgories giati den epekteinei akoma perissotero to dialogo. Egine, apo ton perasmeno Ioynio, neos gyros dialogoy. Sas qymizw oti egine me th symmetoxh ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn kai ths armodias Epitrophs. Sas qymizw oti eklhqhsan osoi metexoyn se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Sas qymizw, epishs, oti ligoi htan ekeinoi oi opoioi phgan kai pantws ligoteroi ekeinoi oi opoioi edwsan apoceis eite graptws eite proforikws. Tines ej' aytwn arnhqhkan na pane kai sto dialogo enwpion ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, kai eixame prosfato paradeigma sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs thn perasmenh ebdomada, otan syzhteito to antistoixo nomosxedio. Yphrje melos DEP apo ta epifanh stelexh toy kinhmatos enantion twn metarryqmisewn, to opoio enw paresth sth Boylh, dhlwse oti den exei na pei tipota kai den prokeitai na dexqei erwthseis dioti den symfwnei me tis diadikasies aytes. Sth Dhmokratia omws kyriarxo stoixeio einai o dialogos. Otan, loipon, kapoios o opoios arneitai to dialogo mesa sth Boylh, den paei oyte prin apo merikoys mhnes, phgainei de thn perasmenh ebdomada kai apoxwrei arnoymenos na kanei dialogo, me pio hqiko baros mporei na egkalei ton opoiondhpote allon oti o allos einai poy den kanei dialogo;

KYRITSHS: Den jerw poios egkalei poion. Eji prytaneis xqes sas zhthsan xrono gia dialogo. Ti ekane o enas h o allos apo to DEP, emena den me apasxolei. Egw lew gia toys eji prytaneis oi opoioi ekanan mia sygkekrimenh protash xqes. Ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora se emena kai thn pleiochfia  pisteyw- twn Ellhnwn poy thn apasxolei, epanalambanw: Otan kapoioi zhtoyn dialogo qa prepei na ton ennooyn kiolas. Na mhn einai, dhladh, ena prosxhma mono kai mono gia na kaqysterhsoyn oi opoies metarryqmiseis sthn Paideia. Gnwrizete oti sthn koinoboyleytikh mas Dhmokratia orizontai me safh tropo oi leitoyrgies toy politeymatos. Orizetai me safh tropo h leitoyrgia ths Boylhs. Me bash ton kanonismo ths, ena nomosxedio eisagetai sthn armodia Epitroph. Eishxqh, chfisthke sthn armodia Epitroph, eisagetai en synexeia sthn Olomeleia kai zhta thn chfo ths Olomeleias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epimeinw sto erwthma ayto efoson milate gia meiochfia kai pleiochfia. Edw yparxei omws kai mia pragmatikothta. Kapoioi arnoyntai estw na proselqoyn sto dialogo, kata thn tapeinh moy ektimhsh. Eite den exoyn hqiko baros na egkaloyn toys alloys, eite oxi, to qema einai oti qa odhghqoyme anagkastika omws etsi, estw makroxronia se mia sygkroysh. Ennow sygkroysh h opoia mporei na exei kai diafores anepiqymhtes parenergeies. Ekei pws qa lyqei to problhma; Eipate oti o eswterikos kanonismos qa yparjei apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias. Kai ean akomh aytos den efarmostei sthn prajh poy qa pame; Mhpws telika  qelw na pw- h lysh prepei na doqei kai na einai politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H monh sygkroysh h opoia einai orath einai h sygkroysh me palaioliqikes antilhceis oi opoies qeloyn na krathsoyn to ellhniko dhmosio Panepisthmio xamhla. H kybernhsh kai h syntriptikh pleionothta twn Ellhnwn politwn qeloyn na doyn ena anabaqmismeno dhmosio Panepisthmio, qeloyn na doyn toys foithtes, paidia Ellhnwn, na diaprepoyn kai edw kai sto ejwteriko kai oxi mono sto ejwteriko otan phgainoyn ekei. Qeloyn na doyn ena allo panepisthmio to opoio qa einai poiotika anabaqmismeno sto epipedo poy ajizei se kaqe Ellhna polith.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh qelw na kanw kai mia allh se allo qema. Otan lete oti apofasizei h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, aytos poy dhlwnei oti den qa efarmosei to nomo kai aytos krinetai, ennoeite profanws oti ektos apo th dhmosia topoqethsh, krinetai kai apo toys synadelfoys toy, melh DEP.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo olh thn koinwnia.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela se ena allo qema na sas rwthsw poy apodidete to aqroisma dhmosieymatwn poy eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas to Sabbatokyriako poy mas perase kai sta opoia emfanizotan o Prwqypoyrgos na exei enoxlhqei me energeies ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Qewreite oti ayto proerxetai apo allo kentro; Dioti ta sygkekrimena dhmosieymata epikaloyntan tis phges toy Megaroy Majimoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh, dhmosieyma poy epikaleitai phges toy Megaroy Majimoy einai analhqes dhmosieyma. Ayto to exw pei polles fores sto parelqon, se kat' idian synomilies mas, to exw pei kai dhmosiws kai to epanalambanw. To prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas apantatai apo thn prwth frash ths dhlwsews poy ekana to Sabbato.

KAKALHS: Meta kai apo thn dhlwsh poy kanate to Sabbato, qelw na rwthsw poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia thn egkatastash twn amerikanikwn pyraylwn se Tsexia kai Polwnia poy bazoyn sto stoxastro th Rwsia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kamia dhlwsh ep' aytoy toy qematos. Sas parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

KAKALHS: Mporeite mhpws na mas peite pote qa ypografei h symfwnia Mpoyrgkas- Alejandroypolh, poy arxika htan programmatismeno gia ayrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas kanw enhmerwsh ayrio, kata pasa piqanothta.

POYLIDOY: Apo poio Ypoyrgeio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws einai apo thn arxh: Apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe gia thn epimaxh anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn htan enhmerwmeno to Megaro Majimoy; Htan se symfwnia ayth h anakoinwsh; Prwto erwthma. Deyteron, yphrje oxlhsh apo thn pleyra ths rwsikhs presbeias h allwn rwsikwn paragontwn pros to Diplwmatiko Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Triton, efoson dhmioyrghqhke diplwmatikh emplokh, einai ikanopoihmeno to Megaro Majimoy apo to xeirismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se oti afora ta dyo teleytaia erwthmata, exw dwsei apanthsh thn perasmenh ebdomada. Qa meinw se ayth akoma kai ean den sas ikanopoiei. Se oti afora to prwto erwthma, h anakoinwsh ekdoqhke apo ton omiloynta ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Antilambaneste oti ekfrazei thn kybernhsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Den exete pei gia thn anakoinwsh. Lew, thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn thn perasmenh Pempth poy topoqeteito gia prwth fora se sxesh me thn egkatastash twn amerikanikwn pyraylwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayto to qema, akoma kai ean den sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh, arnhqhka na sxoliasw thn perasmenh ebdomada, dis h tris. Se oti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, an afora th dikh moy anakoinwsh to Sabbato, sas apanthsa hdh.

GKOYTZANHS: To ``oyden sxolio'' den kalyptei thn anakoinwsh ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa: Akomh kai ean den sas ikanopoiei.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa sthrijete eseis h kybernhsh h o k. Karamanlhs proswpika ton Giwrgo Papandreoy sthn epiqesh poy dexetai opws eipe apo symferonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Den katalabainw to erwthma sas.

BLAXOS: O k. Papandreoy dhlwse xqes oti kapoia symferonta prospaqoyn na ton qesoyn ypo omhria. Qa hqela na moy peite an o k. Karamanlhs skeftetai na sthrijei enan politiko arxhgo, poy opws kathggeile dexetai epiqesh apo diafora symferonta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy kai ws epi seira etwn energos politikos exei th dynamh toy logoy. Kai poly perissotero ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, poy shmainei oti ean yparxei kati to opoio prepei na pei dhmosiws gia na gnwrizoyn oi polites, nomizw oti qa to kanei.

BLAXOS: Eiste ``kybernhsh  paragka'' poy sas xarakthrise;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xqesinh moy anakoinwsh kalyptei ta osa exei pei o k. Papandreoy.

MARKOTSAK: Prin apo liges hmeres h efhmerida ``TA NEA'' dhmosieyse ena binteo poy emfanizontai Ellhnes stratiwtes se mia askhsh me antialbanika tragoydia kai synqhmata. Malista, apo to perasmeno Sabbato, ola ta albanika mintia exoyn prwto qema ayto kai xqes eixame epeisodia me qyella antidrasewn apo Albanoys diadhlwtes ws prosbolh toy eqnoys. Eseis ws kybernhsh pws to exete antimetwpisei to qema kai poies einai oi antidraseis sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei analytikh kai jekaqarh anakoinwsh apo ton Ekproswpo Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas poy kalyptei apolytws thn kybernhsh. Qa parakalesw na th diabasete.

MANH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Ypoyrgeio Amynas epejergazetai protash gia ypoxrewtikh strateysh sta 18. To sxetiko reportaz ths KYRIAKATIKHS ELEYQEROTYPIAS den diaceysthke apo to Ypoyrgeio. Exei syzhthqei to qema sthn kybernhtikh epitroph; Yparxei to prasino fws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai plhrofories poy exoyn dhmosieyqei polles fores ston Typo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti diejagetai mia megalh syzhthsh gia th metejelijh twn Enoplwn Dynamewn -ayto exei dhlwqei kai apo ton idio ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynhs- kai thn prosarmogh toys sta nea dedomena. Sto plaisio ayto, exei akoystei mia seira apo protaseis. Tipota den exei apofasistei.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to dhmosio symferon mporei na epibalei ekloges prin apo to kalokairi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti qa brw diaforetikh diatypwsh gia na apanthsw se ena erwthma, sto opoio exw apanthsei polles fores.

NASOPOYLOS: To rwtaw, giati eipate twra oti kai se ayth thn aiqoysa exei apanthqei eparkws ayto to erwthma. Polles fores, fantazomai se ayto parapempete, exei eipwqei oti ekloges qa ginoyn sto telos ths tetraetias. Wstoso, sth xqesinh synenteyjh sas sto BHMA poy thn mnhmoneysan kai oi synadelfoi nwritera, sto sxetiko erwthma lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos akoyei tis eishghseis kai aytos qa apofasisei pote einai to kalytero gia to kalo toy topoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na janadiabasete th synenteyjh, giati sto sxetiko erwthma apantw oti mia nea diatypwsh, se ena erwthma poy exei apanthqei apo mena polles fores, den qa prosferei tipota. H apanthsh thn opoia anaferete einai se allo erwthma.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete ypoch sas thn omilia toy k. Papandreoy sto synedrio toy kommatos. Gia to programma qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean yparxei sxolio apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs eidika gia to qema ths paragkas sto opoio o proedros toy PASOK estiase ta pyra toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h xqesinh moy dhlwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epimeinw sto qema ths omilias toy k. Papandreoy. Nomizw oti ki eseis qa exete thn idia aisqhsh oti mallon anebase katakoryfa toys tonoys o k. Papandreoy xrhsimopoiwntas mia idiaitera sklhrh fraseologia, alla ekane mia eidikh anafora sto qema toy epikoyrikoy tameioy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, epirriptontas ap` o,ti katalaba proswpikes eyqynes ston Prwqypoyrgo. Giati toy apeyqynqhke ston prwto eniko. Ep` aytoy, ti apantate; Qewreite oti yparxoyn politikes eyqynes poy aggizoyn thn kybernhsh se ayto to skandalo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me kalyptei apolytws h dhlwsh poy exei kanei o k. Tsitoyridhs gia to qema.

KAKALHS: Sto sxoliasmo ths omilias toy k. Papandreoy den sas akoysa na ton egkaleite na katonomasei ta symferonta sta opoia anaferqhke o k. Papandreoy. Mhpws giati einai ta idia symferonta ta opoia kataggellate ki eseis san antipoliteysh; Dhladh, o eqnikos ergolabos, o eqnikos promhqeyths kai oi ntabatzhdes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa se sxetiko erwthma toy k. Blaxoy. An o k. Papandreoy qelei na pei kati perissotero, apo th qesh poy brisketai alla kai meta tosa xronia poy exei sthn politikh, fantazomai oti qa to pei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sthn omilia toy k. Papandreoy yphrxe mia afisa poy elege ``katw h xoynta toy Karamanlh''. Dierwtwmai ti mporei na shmainei ayto to pragma. Ti mporei na yponohsei kaneis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na meinw sth xqesinh moy dhlwsh h opoia anaferetai kai sto sygkekrimeno qema. To erwthma mporei na apeyqynqei ston Ekproswpo Typoy toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: Profanws exete enhmerwqei apo toys synergates sas gia tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Kiltidh. Yparxei kontra Kiltidh - Tsitoyridh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw tis dhlwseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: H prohgoymenh apanthsh sas gia tis sxeseis toy Majimoy me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn kai thn k. Mpakogiannh, me ebale ston peirasmo na rwthsw -kai epikaloymai th dikh sas frash- gia epityxeis parembaseis ths k. Mpakogiannh poy mono oi eqelotyfloyntes den mporoyn na doyn. S` aytes tis epityxeis parembaseis epimenete na sygkatalegete kai thn anakoinwsh sxetika me th Rwsia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afoy mphkate ston peirasmo qa sas pw oti yparxoyn polles epityxhmenes parembaseis sth diarkeia ths trietias kai sth diarkeia toy teleytaioy etoys opoy h k. Mpakogiannh einai Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati den mas tis lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas pw merikes, giati qa koyrasteite an sas pw polles. Otan apantw analytika moy lete oti apantw me polla logia: Prwton, h syzhthsh poy egine kai o tropos poy diaxeiristhke h Ellhnikh Proedria th syzhthsh ston Organismo Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, ton Septembrio toy 2006 sth synodo gia to Mesanatoliko. Deyteron, h poly epityxhmenh diaxeirish ths krishs sto Libano poy anedeije thn Ellada ws ena sobaro kai ajiopisto synomilhth olwn twn merwn sthn perioxh. Triton, gia prwth fora sthn istoria twn dieyrynsewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs ton perasmeno Dekembrio, apofasisan oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn thn epibolh kyrwsewn. Kai htan idiaitera shmantikh h symbolh ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Tetarton, sas qymizw th symmetoxh ths Serbias meta apo epipones diapragmateyseis poy eginan apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn me alloys Ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn sth synergasia gia thn eirhnh. Endeiktika sas anefera orismena apo ta qemata ta opoia xeiristhke me epityxia h k. Mpakogiannh ayto to diasthma.

PALAIOLOGOS: Thn anakoinwsh omws den thn sygkatalegete se ayth thn istoria twn epityxwn parembasewn.

KYRITSHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh einai antiqeth sth forologhsh twn anwterwn eisodhmatikwn strwmatwn prokeimenoy na xrhmatodothqoyn koinwnikes politikes gia ta asqenestera. Giati ayto to symperasma ebgala akoygontas dhlwseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn metajy twn opoiwn kai dikes sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh me th forologikh ths politikh, exei apodeijei oti sebetai toys mikromesaioys, toys xamhlomisqoys. Exei elafrynei kata poly ta barh ta opoia plhrwnan mexri shmera. O k. Papandreoy, opws eipa, kanei mia politikh yposxesewn. Den qa pw tipota perissotero. Nomizw oti einai analytikes oi anafores poy ekana sth dhlwsh moy, apo aythn edw thn aiqoysa, thn perasmenh Paraskeyh.

KYRITSHS: Nai, alla egw sas rwthsa gia toys ploysioys. Den sas rwthsa oyte gia toys mikromesaioys, oyte gia toys ftwxoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na apeyqynqeite sto PASOK gia na sas poyn akribws me leptomereies ayta ta opoia ennooyn, an jekaqarisoyn, epakribws kostos, yposxeseis k.o.k.

KAKALHS: Mhpws meta apo ayth thn ypoqesh me th xrhmatisthriakh kai ta apoqematika toy epikoyrikoy tameioy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn h kybernhsh skeptetai na stamathsei to tzogarisma twn apoqematikwn twn tameiwn sto xrhmatisthrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei proxwrhsei se mia seira apo ryqmiseis. Malista aytes tis meres  an oxi shmera- anakoinwnontai nees ryqmiseis gia thn kalyterh leitoyrgia twn tameiwn. Se kamia periptwsh den prepei na poinikopoiei kaneis th xrhmatisthriakh drash. Se kaqe periptwsh xreiazetai megalyterh dynath prosoxh giati yparxei diaxeirish twn dhmosiwn organismwn, eite tameiwn eite allwn, twn xrhmatwn twn Ellhnwn forologoymenwn.

NASOPOYLOS: Na epanelqw ligo sto qema me thn egkatastash twn amerikanikwn pyraylwn stis xwres ths anatolikhs Eyrwphs. H alhqeia einai oti den exw antilhfqei poy akribws phgainei ayto to ``oyden sxolio'' poy epanalabate shmera. Oi qeseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn opws diatypwqhkan thn perasmenh ebdomada, einai kai qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia thn egkatastash twn amerikanikwn pyraylwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Mia aporia: Giati mesa sta osa mas eipate prin gia tis epityxhmenes parembaseis ths k. Ntoras Mpakogiannh den bazete kai thn parembash sto qema ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa eisagwgika se erwthma synadelfoy sas.

BLAXOS: To bazete dhladh; Den exw katalabei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti apanthsa eisagwgika.

Sas eyxaristw.

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