Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-07

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 7 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 56069682

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Febroyarioy 2007

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.30, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro k. Miltiadh Ebert.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayth thn wra ston Areio Pago, h k. Papandreoy kai o k. Flwridhs kataqetoyn mhnythries anafores gia ypoqeseis ths P ... K Xrhmatisthriakhs, Finansbank, Agrotikh kai Germanos. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs, parakalw.

ANTWNAROS: As paei to PASOK opoy qelei.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sxoliasete thn proklhtikh qesh, ean qelete, toy ceydokratoys, to opoio proxwraei se energeies gia entopismo koitasmatwn petrelaioy kai fysikoy aerioy, sto ceydokratos. Antilambaneste oti to ceydokratos den exei xwrika ydata h yfalokrhpida. Qa hqela na to sxoliasete ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den moy einai gnwsta ta sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia moy anaferete. Einai gnwsto oti h Kypriakh Dhmokratia einai h monh nomimh kybernhsh, h opoia anagnwrizetai dieqnws ws h kybernhsh h opoia ekproswpei oloys toys Kyprioys. Synepws, monon ekeinh diaqetei ola ta kyriarxa dikaiwmata, ta kyriarxa xarakthristika poy diaqetei ena dieqnws anagnwrismeno kratos.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, apo to kentriko deltio eidhsewn toy MEGA paroysiasame to porisma toy efeth anakrith k. Zerbompeakoy poy aposynedee thn epiqesh kata toy Yfypoyrgoy Amynas Basilh Mixaloliakoy me th drasthriothta ths ``17 N'' kai thn tromokratia. Dedomenoy oti o Yfypoyrgos exei kanei dhmosia dhlwsh oti an yparjei kapoia tetoia diapistwsh dikastikoy leitoyrgoy, qa paraithqei, qewreite oti yparxei qema;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Exei dwsei apanthseis o k. Mixaloliakos, oi opoies kai isxyoyn.

GKOYTZANHS: Me tis synexeis ypoqeseis toy o k. Mixaloliakos ekqetei thn kybernhsh. Den apasxolei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. Den exw na pw tipote allo sto qema ayto.

KAKALHS: Meta thn eklogologia, blepoyme twra oti h politikh zwh mpainei kai se fash skandalologias. Dhladh, pali me ta pragmatika problhmata toy laoy sto epikentro, qa paei se ekloges o dikommatismos;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete mia proseggish me thn opoia den symfwnw. Qa sas ypenqymisw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh, sta tria xronia peripoy afotoy h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn ths exei anaqesei th diakybernhsh toy topoy, me ypeyqynothta, sobarothta, synepeia efarmozei to programma ths, to kala gnwsto, se oloys toys Ellhnes polites, programma ths. H kybernhsh qa synexisei mexri to telos ths tetraetias na to efarmozei aparegklita. Kinhseis entypwsiasmoy, san kai ayth poy ekane to PASOK to perasmeno Sabbatokyriako kai epese sto keno kai kinhseis entypwsiasmoy san kai ayth poy apopeiratai na kanei to PASOK shmera, den einai ikanes na allajoyn se tipote apolytws th staqerh grammh thn opoia akoloyqei h shmerinh kybernhsh, h opoia asxoleitai me thn epilysh kai th dieyqethsh sygkekrimenwn qematwn kai problhmatwn.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei ejaggeilei gia thn katapolemhsh ths ftwxeias thn epomenh pentaetia kondyli 2 disekatommyriwn eyrw. Twra omws poy qa plhrwsoyme 4 disekatommyria eyrw anadromika gia thn ayjhsh toy Akaqaristoy Egxwrioy Proiontos, poso qa ftwxynoyn oi hdh ftwxoi kai poso qa ftwxynoyn kai aytoi poy einai sto metaixmio.

ANTWNAROS: Biazeste, blepw, kaqe mera na ayjanete to poso to opoio anaferete.

KAKALHS: Peste mas poso einai...

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa poly, na diabasete oles tis sxetikes dhlwseis oi opoies exoyn ginei. Biazeste na prokaqorisete posa, ta opoia dhqen qa plhrwqoyn h prokeitai na plhrwqoyn kai den perimenete na deite ta apta apotelesmata, ta opoia paragei kai qa synexisei na paragei h synephs oikonomikh politikh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, h opoia kanei ayto to opoio prepei na kanei -kai den ginotan sto parelqon- kaqe ypeyqynh kybernhsh: Na leei thn alhqeia stoys polites, na leei thn alhqeia stoys etairoys ths xwras kai na frontizei wste h eikona poy exoyn oi polites kai oi etairoi ths xwras gia ta oikonomika ths xwras, na antapokrinetai plhrws sthn pragmatikothta. Etsi katoxyrwnetai kai h ajiopistia kai to kyros ths xwras.

KAKALHS: Epeidh lete thn alhqeia stoys etairoys, mporeite na peite kai ston ellhniko lao posa qa plhrwsoyme anadromika gia thn ayjhsh toy AEP; Ayto leme.

ANTWNAROS: Otan erqei h wra kai efoson prokycei tetoio qema, h shmerinh kybernhsh qa sas dwsei ola ta stoixeia.

MELIGKWNHS: Pantws, sxetika me ayto poy eipate gia to kyros ths xwras, den fainetai na symfwnoyn jena MME, kaqws kai h Financial Times, alla kai to CNN exoyn milhsei gia ``gkafa'' sxetika me thn anaqewrhsh toy AEP.

ANTWNAROS: Apanthse ep` aytoy, xqes, o k. Roysopoylos. Den qa sxoliasw egw kapoia istoselida enos eidhseografikoy organismoy. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora: Fainetai oti to PASOK, to opoio eixe anagagei thn paragwgh ceydwn stoixeiwn gia thn oikonomia se systhma askhshs ths politikhs toy, fobatai thn alhqeia. Qa hqela, omws, na sas ypenqymisw kati to opoio profanws dielaqe ths prosoxhs sas. Molis prin apo liges hmeres, h pio egkyrh isws dieqnws oikonomikh efhmerida, egrace se ektenes arqro ths me titlo: ``O Eyrwpaios ``asqenhs'' qerapeyetai. H Ellada meiwnei to elleimma, diathrei isxyrh anaptyjh. Mhpws qa eprepe na apotelesei maqhma gia alloys;''

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, twra ti kanete; Sxoliazete kati poy egrace enas dieqnhs eidhseografikos organismos;

ANTWNAROS: Mhn amfisbhteite osa sas lew. Kapoioi profanws isxyrizontai oti osoi exoyn thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras qa prepei na dinoyn ceydh stoixeia. H shmerinh kybernhsh den pisteyei, den kanei, oyte prokeitai na kanei kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, oxi. Kaqe allo kai den amfisbhtw ayta poy lete. Apla, eipate prohgoymenws gia to site kai ayta poy egrafe peri ``gkafas'' to CNN oti den sxoliazete ayta poy leei enas dieqnhs eidhseografikos organismos kai amesws meta sxoliasate kati allo poy leei enas dieqnhs...

ANTWNAROS: Sas pareqesa sygkekrimena stoixeia, omws, oikonomikoy periexomenoy.

LEONTITSH: Poia einai;

ANTWNAROS: Ean epiqymeite, qa sas ta dwsw meta.

KAPRALOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa pragmatopoihsei periodeia sth xwra enocei ths prosynedriakhs diadikasias.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kati programmatismeno ayth th stigmh.

GKOYTZANHS: Stis 31 Ianoyarioy eginan synomilies metajy twn ekproswpwn Elladas-Skopiwn kai toy eidikoy diamesolabhth k. Nimits. To apotelesma toys den dhmosiopoihqhke. Gia poio logo kai ean mporeite na mas peite twra.

ANTWNAROS: Opws me enhmerwse to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, aytes oi synomilies poy diejagontai sta plaisia twn synexwn epafwn, tis opoies exei o epifortismenos me ayto to qema -gia tis epafes me tis dyo pleyres- k. Nimits, sthn edra toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, einai taktikes. O k. Nimits pragmatopoiei aytes tis synanthseis mesa se ena plaisio -qa elega- diakritikothtas. Den yparxei tipota kainoyrgio pros anakoinwsh. Ean yphrxe, na eisaste bebaioi oti emeis apo thn pleyra mas qa to eixame anakoinwsei. H kybernhsh sthrizei ayth th diadikasia, opws allwste exoyme pei kai apo thn arxh, giati einai mia diadikasia h opoia exei stoxo akribws ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme kai prepei na epidiwkoyn fantazomai oloi oi Ellhnes polites, thn ejeyresh mias koinws kai apo tis dyo pleyres apodekths onomasias gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na mhn rwthsw ean eiste aisiodojos, na rwthsw ean yparxoyn endeijeis oti mporei na katalhjei ayth h diadikasia.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia mia diarkh diadikasia. Den exw kati epiprosqeto na sas pw ayth th stigmh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Gkioyl episkeptetai tis Hnwmenes Politeies opoy eixe synanthsh me thn k. Rais kai me alloys ajiwmatoyxoys ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs. Syzhthqhkan qemata poy aforoyn thn Ellada, to Kypriako kai to qema twn koitasmatwn petrelaioy. Exete kapoia idiaiterh enhmerwsh gia to ti phre kai ti exase endexomenws h Toyrkia apo ayth th synanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

MELIGKWNHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh kapoies kataggelies poy exoyn ginei sxetika me parembaseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn stoys dhmosiografoys. Yparxoyn kataggelies oti o k. Abramopoylos, o Ypoyrgos Ygeias, ekane parembash sth dieyqynsh ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqeros Typos'' gia to reportaz mias syntaktrias kai pws h k. Giannakoy exei epikoinwnhsei me thn armodia syntaktria toy Ypoyrgeioy Paideias ths kratikhs thleorashs kai ths eipe ``prosexe ti les, giati ergazesai sthn kratikh''.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy ta stoixeia poy epikaleiste. Sas exw pei epaneilhmmena -kai gnwrizete oti einai pagia qesh ayths ths kybernhshs- oti sebetai thn anejarthsia sth dhmosiografikh leitoyrgia kai ths dhmosias thleorashs kai bebaiws olwn twn meswn enhmerwshs.

POYLIDOY: Peri aytoy prokeitai, sas leei oti den einai...

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tetoia stoixeia. H kybernhsh den exei dwsei kamia endeijh peri toy antiqetoy. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai staqerh kai aparegklith.

KAKALHS: Me aformh ayto to qema, mhpws jerete giati apoysiazei o k. Siderhs apo thn aiqoysa ton teleytaio kairo;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai ths armodiothtas moy na krinw poios synadelfos sas ekproswpei se ayth thn aiqoysa poio meso.

KAKALHS: Kai lew ean exei yparjei politikh parembash.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly. Ti einai ayta poy lete;

BLAXOS: Me aformh thn erwthsh qa apeyqynqeite stoys Ypoyrgoys na toys rwthsete ean exoyn parembei;

ANTWNAROS: Qa toys rwthsw. Den exw kamia epifylajh.

BLAXOS: Eyxaristw poly.

KAKALHS: Me aformh ayto to kroysma ekdoshs taytothtas katazhtoymenoy apo thn ELAS, h kybernhsh poia symperasmata bgazei gia th sxesh ths ELAS me ton ypokosmo. Deyteron, se sxesh me thn topoqethsh toy k. Polydwra proxqes sth Boylh oti o prwtos stoxos toy astynomikoy ergoy einai h antimetwpish twn diadhlwsewn.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, qa hqela na pw oti to sygkekrimeno symban einai opwsdhpote aparadekto. Exei ekdoqei ep' aytoy kai sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy kai eimai bebaios oti otan oloklhrwqei h ereyna, amesws, qa plhroforhqeite kai ta apotelesmata. Deyteron, den symfwnw me ton tropo me ton opoio qesate to erwthma oson afora th diasyndesh ths astynomias genikws kai syllhbdhn me to organwmeno egklhma. Memonwmenes periptwseis den mporoyn se kamia periptwsh na amayrwsoyn to ergo ths ellhnikhs astynomias, h opoia -- opws sas exw pei kai alles fores -- exei ena dyskolo ergo: Th diafylajh ths tajhs kai thn prostasia ths zwhs kai ths perioysias twn Ellhnwn politwn. Opoy yparxoyn fainomena ta opoia parekklinoyn apo ayth th symperifora, h timwria qa einai aysthrotath. Kai triton, qa hqela na sas pw: Diabaste prosektika osa eipe se 20lepth -- an den apatwmai  omilia toy o armodios Ypoyrgos sth Boylh. Anaferqhke se polla qemata, metajy twn allwn de kateqese sth Boylh kai ena polyselido ypomnhma me stoixeia gia thn egklhmatikothta sthn Ellada, to opoio an den exete, mporeite asfalws na to breite sthn istoselida toy Ypoyrgeioy h an epiqymeite na to bgalw se fwtotypies kai na sas to dwsw. Htan polles oi anafores poy ekane o k. Polydwras se polla qemata.

BLAXOS: Enhmerwqhkate gia mia synenteyjh Typoy poy doqhke xqes gia to qema ths ejafanishs toy nearoy Alej me kataggelies gia plektanh stis opoies emplekontai mesa koinwnikoi politikoi paragontes kai astynomikoi paragontes;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den gnwrizw kamia tetoia synenteyjh. En pash periptwsei, den einai apostolh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy na asxoleitai me to astynomiko deltio, par' olh thn eyaisqhsia poy oloi mas deixnoyme kai prepei na deixnoyme gia thn ejafanish opoioydhpote synanqrwpoy mas kai poly perissotero mikrwn paidiwn.

BLAXOS: Edw h kataggelia emplekei kai politika proswpa.

ANTWNAROS: Opoios exei kapoia kataggelia, den exei para na thn kanei epwnyma kai opoios feretai emplekomenos prepei na exei to dikaiwma na apodeijei to antiqeto. Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio.

KAKALHS: Den prokalei kamia entypwsh oti ena xrono twra h astynomia den exei tipota anakalycei se ayth thn istoria;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh astynomia asxoleitai me polles ypoqeseis kai opws jerete exei ejixniasei polles apo aytes tis ypoqeseis. Den mporei omws kaneis na apokleisei oti se kapoia dedomenh stigmh qa yparxoyn kai anejixniastes ypoqeseis. As afhsoyme thn astynomia se mia ereyna h opoia synexizetai na kanei th doyleia ths. Eseis asfalws exete to dikaiwma kai to kaqhkon ws dhmosiografoi na asxoleiste me to qema opws eseis kai ta mesa mazikhs enhmerwshs poy ekproswpeite, krinete. Qa moy epitrecete omws na sas pw gia mia akomh fora oti ayto den einai qema sto opoio topoqeteitai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

BLAXOS: Ti exei ginei me thn istoria me th zarntiniera kai toys astynomikoys poy edeiran to foithth; Yparxei ejelijh sto qema ayto; Qa timwrhqoyn oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi ebgalan thn anakoinwsh oti ftaiei h zarntiniera, enw apedeixqh se 24 wres oti ton foithth ton edernan astynomikoi;

ANTWNAROS: Ean to epiqymeite, qa enhmerwqw gia thn ejelijh ths ypoqeshs kai na sas enhmerwsw kai egw akoloyqws.

Sas eyxaristw.

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