Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-15

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 15 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 51958719

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 15 Ianoyarioy 2007

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, opws gnwrizete, qa metabei se ligo sth Lioympliana, thn prwteyoysa ths Slobenias, opoy to meshmeri qa parakaqhsei se geyma poy paratiqetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Slobenias k. Giansa, pros timhn twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn poy briskontai ekei. Argotera, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metasxei se teleth gia thn entajh ths Slobenias sth zwnh toy eyrw. Telos, to brady qa metasxei se deipno ergasias me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Slobenias.

Ayrio, Trith, 16 Ianoyarioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei sto Beligradi, opoy qa exei diadoxikes synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Serbias k. Tantits kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Serbias k. Kostoynitsa. Amesws meta o Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes o k. Polydwras sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse, ypainixqhke oti epikeitai syllhch, mia- dyo, den jerw poses. Exei enhmerwsei sxetika thn kybernhsh o,ti yparxei se ayth th diadikasia, se ayto to dromo h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio sxetika me epixeirhsiaka qemata.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw an o k. Polydwras xairei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

SPYRAKH: Epishs qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an h kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn epixeirhsiakh ikanothta ths astynomias, dedomenoy oti oles oi ektimhseis sygklinoyn sto oti ta metra asfaleias gyrw apo thn Amerikanikh Presbeia htan diatrhta.

ANTWNAROS: Den symmerizomai tis ektimhseis tis opoies molis paroysiasate.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ta radiothleoptika mesa aneferan to teleytaio trihmero, sxedon ola kai sxedon se ola ta reportaz, oti ginetai analysh stoixeiwn apo ta kinhta thlefwna ta opoia yphrxan th laqos stigmh sto laqos shmeio, gia na to pw etsi. To epibebaiwnei ayto h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws kai qa to epanalabw gia mia akomh fora oti den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio, kamia topoqethsh se qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn epixeirhsiakh proseggish kai thn ejixniash toy sygkekrimenoy tromokratikoy peristatikoy.

KYRITSHS: Exei enswmatwqei sto eqniko dikaio h odhgia h opoia dinei th dynatothta se etaireies kinhths thlefwnias kai tis ypoxrewnei kiolas na kratoyn stoixeia gia ta kinhta thlefwna mexri kai dyo xronia;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh na sas apanthsw gi' ayto to eidiko qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

KYRITSHS: Prokeitai na doqei sth VODAFONE adeia na kanei tetoioy eidoys ypoklopes, kyrie Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kyritsh, synexizete na ypoballete erwthseis me ena yfos poy den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizete na mas epibebaiwsete, an briskontai hdh sthn Aqhna stelexh jenwn mystikwn yphresiwn poy bohqoyn tis ellhnikes arxes sth dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs ths tromokratikhs epiqeshs;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, oi ereynes diejagontai ypo thn eyqynh ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias kai twn ellhnikwn diwktikwn arxwn. H synergasia me stelexh apo alles xwres, opws ginotan allwste kai sto parelqon, den einai kati kainoyrgio.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Briskontai, hrqan meta thn Paraskeyh poy yphrje to tromokratiko xtyphma h briskontai sthn Ellada stelexh eite twn Amerikanwn eite twn Bretanwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na anaferqw se kanena qema poy exei sxesh me thn ereyna h opoia diejagetai gia th dialeykansh toy symbantos. Otan yparxoyn leptomereies pros anakoinwsh, qa topoqethqei ep' aytwn h Ellhnikh Astynomia.

SIDERHS: O k. Polydwras, sthn anakoinwsh toy, anaferei oti h Antitromokratikh epi twn hmerwn toy anabaqmisthke. Qa systhnate sta endexomena ypochfia qymata na koimoyntai hsyxoi;

ANTWNAROS: Apo thn Paraskeyh, tolmw na pw, exete ton idio tropo proseggishs aytoy toy sobaroy qematos, sthn opoia bebaiws, proseggish, den prokeitai na sas akoloyqhsw.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Amerikanikh Presbeia edw kai kairo exei parabiasei dhmosioys xwroys gia logoys asfaleias, exei epekteinei thn asfaleia ths sta tetragwna gyrw apo thn Presbeia, parola ayta, synebhsan ayta poy synebhsan. Kata thn ektimhsh sas, ta metra asfaleias poy pairnei h idia h Amerikanikh Presbeia, kriqhkan eparkh;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai to periexomeno ths erwthshs sas. Ekeino to opoio omws gnwrizw einai pws einai ypoxrewsh ths ellhnikhs Politeias na parexei kai stis diplwmatikes antiproswpeies oi opoies briskontai sth xwra mas, metra prostasias.

POYLIDOY: Kai lew loipon oti ayta ta metra prostasias ta opoia exei labei kai apo monh ths h Amerikanikh Presbeia...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ektimhsh, thn opoia den symmerizomai.

POYLIDOY: Otan exoyn kleisei oloi oi dromoi gyrw kai den epitrepetai h kykloforia...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Einai dikh sas ektimhsh ws pros thn ermhneia poy dinete, thn opoia kai den symmerizomai.

POYLIDOY: Den symmerizeste, ti akribws kyrie Ekproswpe; Oti exei apagoreytei h kinhsh sthn odo Kokkalh;

ANTWNAROS: Den symmerizomai ton tropo me ton opoio perilambanete orismenoys isxyrismoys ws dhqen pragmatika peristatika sthn erwthsh sas.

POYLIDOY: To erwthma, loipon, einai: Arneiste na sxoliasete ta metra asfaleias poy pairnei h ellhnikh pleyra. Ta metra asfaleias poy exoyn parei...

ANTWNAROS: Den arnoymai na sxoliasw ta metra ta opoia pairnei h ellhnikh pleyra. Topoqethqhka allwste molis pro oligoy.

POYLIDOY: Kai pws to sxoliasate; Eipate oti den symmerizeste thn apoch oti htan diatrhta. Ara;

ANTWNAROS: Memonwmena tetoia peristatika mporoyn na symboyn. To eipe kai o k. Roysopoylos thn Paraskeyh kai qa hqela, parakalw, na mh genikeyete kai na mh dinete mia eikona h opoia den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta gia thn asfaleia h opoia epikratei sth xwra mas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prepei na dieykrinistei apo thn pleyra sas, giati prohgoymenws apantwntas se ena erwthma eipate ``den symmerizomai tis apoceis oti den htan swsta ta metra'', qelw na mas dieykrinisete apo thn pleyra sas, me safestato tropo, an qewreite oti htan petyxhmena ta metra fylajhs ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Apanthsa molis prohgoymenws oti h Ellhnikh Astynomia kanei o,ti einai dynaton prokeimenoy na ejasfalistei h asfaleia kai twn diplwmatikwn apostolwn sth xwra mas. Memonwmena peristatika -kai egw ayto to sygkekrimeno peristatiko, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, to qewrw memonwmeno- den mporoyn na apokleistoyn.

BLAXOS: To erwtw kyrie Ekproswpe, dioti efoson pairnete ayth th qesh, einai oysiastika san na akyrwnete sthn prajh thn Enorkh Dioikhtikh Ejetash poy exei diatajei o Arxhgos ths EL.AS.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio ep` aytoy.

MPOTSARAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jerete na mas peite ean, meta thn epiqesh sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia, ayjhqhkan ta metra asfaleias apo thn EL.AS.;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia tetoia lepta epixeirhsiaka qemata.

KALARITHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, efoson symfwna me ton k. Polydwra h antitromokratikh leitoyrgoyse kalws kai eparkws, giati kriqhke anagkaia h epanafora toy k Syrroy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis analytikes dhlwseis toy k. Roysopoyloy, se aythn edw thn aiqoysa thn Paraskeyh tis opoies profanws den gnwrizete. O k. Roysopoylos htan apolytws safhs.

MELIGKWNHS: Kai eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos xarakthrisate to peristatiko ths Paraskeyhs memonwmeno. Exete kapoies plhrofories oti apokleietai na yparjei mellontikh alysida tetoiwn energeiwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti se mia xwra asfalh, opws einai h Ellada  kai qelw na pisteyw oti kaneis se ayth thn aiqoysa den amfisbhtei ayth th diapistwsh- tetoia memonwmena peristatika den mporei na apokleistoyn.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh protiqetai na proxwrhsei se nomoqetikh ryqmish, prokeimenoy na xrhsimopoieitai sto mellon to periexomeno, to yliko to opoio katagrafoyn oi kameres poy ryqmizoyn thn kykloforia kai qa hqela kai ena deytero erwthma ep` aytoy, ean moy epitrepete.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe o k. Roysopoylos, se ayth thn aiqoysa, thn Paraskeyh.

SPYRAKH: Den apanthse se ena tetoio erwthma, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh exei kanei mia prosfygh sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias kai perimenei th diatypwsh ths apofashs toy.

SPYRAKH: Ayto einai mia dieykrinish poy thn edwse o k. Roysopoylos pragmati, alla afora to parelqon.

ANTWNAROS: Den afora to parelqon. Afora th xrhsh twn kamerwn gia to mellon.

SPYRAKH: Na rwthsw kati deytero. Eisaste ikanopoihmenoi, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, oi ellhnikes arxes einai ikanopoihmenes apo to epipedo synergasias me tis yphresies twn HPA kai to klimakio toy FBI poy brisketai edw, dedomenoy toy oti apo thn pleyra twn astynomikwn epibebaiwnetai oti stis ellhnikes arxes doqhke mono h mish poreia ths royketas apo thn ektojeysh ths kai meta mexri th stigmh poy eplhje to qyreo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti oso kai na prospaqhsete me diaforoys tropoys na me peisete na sxoliasw qemata poy einai antikeimeno ths ereynas, h opoia diejagetai kai brisketai se ejelijh, den prokeitai na to kanw.

SPYRAKH: Den rwtw gia thn ereyna, gia to epipedo rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas anaferetai sthn ereyna dioti perilambanei kai isxyrismoys, oi opoioi endexomenws apoteloyn meros ths ereynas.

SPYRAKH: To epipedo synergasias, sas ikanopoiei ayth th stigmh; Ginetai h antallagh plhroforiwn, ws eiqistai.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei synergasia. Einai poly kalh.

XIWTHS: Pera apo tis kameres, yparxei kai ena allo zhthma poy qetoyn oi diwktikes arxes sthn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toys kai ayto einai to asfyktiko plaisio prostasias twn epikoinwniwn poy yparxei sthn Ellada. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh, meta th nea epoxh sthn opoia eiserxomaste meta to ktyphma ths Paraskeyhs, meleta thn epanejetash toy plaisioy poy diepei thn prostasia twn epikoinwniwn sthn Ellada.

ANTWNAROS: Qemata poy aforoyn sta atomika dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn politwn, opws gnwrizete, einai qemata ta opoia einai adiapragmateyta. H prostasia aytwn twn dikaiwmatwn einai adiapragmateyth.

XIWTHS: Ayto einai to ena zhtoymeno. Opws fantazomai oti adiapragmateyta einai kai stis alles eyrwpaikes xwres opoy den isxyoyn toso asfyktika plaisia prostasias twn epikoinwniwn. Ayto poy qetoyn oi diwktikes arxes, apo o,ti plhroforoymai, einai na ejomoiwqoyn ta metra ayta kai oi odhgies poy isxyoyn se o,ti isxyei stis alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Gia paradeigma, oi diwktikes arxes kataggelloyn oti den mporoyn na parakoloyqhsoyn epikoinwnies akomh kai otan yparxoyn safeis endeijeis egklhmatikhs h tromokratikhs drashs.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw poy ta kataggelloyn ayta poy isxyrizeste.

XIWTHS: Nomizw oti ta kataggelloyn armodiws, k. Ekproswpe. Yparxoyn anafores.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tetoies anafores.

MAYRIDHS: H dhlwsh toy k. Polydwra ``oydeis anantikatastatos'' afora kai ton idion;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka molis pro oligoy gia ton k. Polydwra kai apanthsa. Qa hqela na enhmerwsw osoys den to gnwrizoyn, oti molis pro oligoy o Prwqypoyrgos ekane sto Zagkremp mia dhlwsh me thn opoia topoqeteitai gia ton tropo me ton opoio h ellhnikh Politeia antimetwpizei ta qemata tromokratias. Sas parakalw na th diabasete prosektika.

KAKALHS: Pera apo thn prosfygh sto StE gia th leitoyrgia twn kamerwn, h kybernhsh sxediazei na analabei kai kapoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia symplhrwmatika gia thn ajiopoihsh twn proiontwn apo tis kameres;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, rwthqhka prohgoymenws kai sas eipa oti h kybernhsh anamenei -opws sas eipe allwste o k. Roysopoylos- thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias.

KAKALHS: O k. Mperns ejefrase thn ektimhsh oti h epiqesh ejapolyqhke apo mia omada anarxikwn. Exete tetoies plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio, oso afora qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn diejagomenh ereyna.

KAKALHS: Ma, prokeitai gia dhlwsh toy yfypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn twn HPA.

ANTWNAROS: Egw topoqetoymai, omws, se ayth thn aiqoysa, ws Ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Nai, ayth akribws th dhlwsh qelw na sxoliasete. Den einai politiko qema;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw qemata poy aforoyn sthn ereyna. Otan yparjoyn sygkekrimena apotelesmata, ayta qa gnwstopoihqoyn armodiws.

SARANTAKOS: Epibebaiwnete h diaceydete mia plhroforia poy dhmosieyqhke oti sthn teleytaia synanthsh poy eixe o Amerikanos presbeyths sthn Ellada k. Ris me ton k. Polydwra epixeirhse na toy paradwsei mia lista me ypoptoys, symfwna me thn apoch twn Amerikanwn, mia lista thn opoia arnhqhke na paralabei o k. Polydwras. Isxyei ayth h plhroforia h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy tetoia plhroforia.

KALARITHS: Epeidh anaferqhkate epaneilhmmenws se memonwmeno peristatiko, h kybernhsh exei bgalei to symperasma oti prokeitai peri memonwmenoy peristatikoy ontws h oti briskomaste pro epanaforas mias genikoterhs tromokratikhs drashs;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h arxikh moy dhlwsh, opws akribws thn ekana.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate gia memonwmeno peristatiko. Eipate, swsta kata th gnwmh moy, oti h Ellada einai mia asfalhs xwra. Apo to xtyphma ayto ths perasmenhs Paraskeyhs, alla kai apo ola ta prohgoymena, den yphrjan oyte sobares katastrofes, oyte poly perissotero traymatismos, opote giati h kybernhsh exei ayth thn ``premoyra'' na mas parakoloyqei me tis kameres; Den exei ``anoijei myth'' ta teleytaia xronia.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh topoqethsh gia to qema sto opoio anaferqhkate. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn ependyqei terastia posa gia to sygkekrimeno...

KYRITSHS: Kai prepei na ta aposbesei panw mas;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly! H kybernhsh exei diaforetikh topoqethsh apo ayth poy exete eseis...

KYRITSHS: To katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: ... kai h qesh ths kybernhshs, opws exei ekfrastei epaneilhmmena, einai safhs. Asfalws, exete dikaiwma na diathreite th dikh sas apoch.

BLAXOS: Na pame sth dikh sas qesh gia tis kameres. Edw ftasame sto paradojo h ellhnikh kybernhsh na anazhtei plhrofories gia to ti egine se ellhniko edafos, opws einai h odos Lamcakoy, apo kameres poy exoyn egkatastaqei se amerikaniko edafos, dhladh, sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia. Dhladh, to ellhniko kratos pia, perimenei apo toys Amerikanoys na maqei ti egine sto ellhniko edafos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw poly, poy enisxyete akribws th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla einai paradojo to ellhniko kratos na perimenei apo ena jeno kratos na toy pei ti egine sto ellhniko edafos.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws, dioti basei ths sygkekrimenhs apofashs enantion ths opoias exei askhsei prosfygh h ellhnikh kybernhsh, emeis pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na ginetai ajiologhsh twn sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn apo tis ellhnikes kameres. Synepws, ayto opws to perigrafete, enisxyei th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

SPYRAKH: Qa hqela na epimeinw ligo ston oro poy xrhsimopoieite, to memonwmeno peristatiko, gia na rwthsw ean problhmatizei thn kybernhsh h drasthriothta ths sygkekrimenhs organwshs poy emfanizetai na exei analabei thn eyqynh se diaforetikwn epipedwn kai epixeirhsiakwn dynatothtwn epiqeseis. Qa ypenqymisw thn epiqesh ejw apo to spiti to Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews kai nyn Politismoy. Qa ypenqymisw thn epiqesh sto Royf, epishs thn epiqesh sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias. Na rwthsw, oles aytes oi epiqeseis gia tis opoies analambanei thn eyqynh mia sygkekrimenh omada, den sas anhsyxoyn sth diadikasia ths klimakwshs efoson efqasan na xtyphsoyn mexri to qyreo ths presbeias;

ANTWNAROS: Proswpika apo th dikh moy qesh kai eimai bebaios oti kai eseis qa kanete to idio, qa afhna tis diwktikes arxes na oloklhrwsoyn aperispasta to ergo toys.

SIDERHS: Dieykrinistika, den jerw ean gnwrizete ayto to aithma ths ellhnikhs Politeias gia na ajiopoioyntai oi kameres, afora kameres poy einai se epimaxa shmeia, endexomenoys stoxoys h synolika se olh thn Aqhna;

ANTWNAROS: Mporw na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw. Alla, fantazomai oti ean anatrejete sthn prosfygh thn opoia exei kanei h ellhnikh Politeia, asfalws qa breite thn apanthsh sto erwthma sas.

SIDERHS: Den to jerame.

ANTWNAROS: Ma sas to eipe o k. Roysopoylos thn Paraskeyh.

MAYRIDHS: H amerikanikh pleyra den exei anaferqei se tromokratiko xtyphma. H ellhnikh pleyra anaferetai se tromokratiko xtyphma h einai memonwmeno peristatiko; Th fraseologia qelw.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh exei topoqethqei me safh tropo. Parakalw, na diabasete tis anakoinwseis toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy k. Polydwra, ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh, toy k. Roysopoyloy kai sas parapempw gia mia akomh fora, sth shmerinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

BLAXOS: Akoysa oti oi Amerikanoi exoyn zhthsei apo ton k. Polydwra, epaneilhmmenws na episkefqei thn Oyasigkton. Mia apo tis dikaiologies poy leei o k. Polydwras gia na mhn paei ekei sthn Oyasigkton, einai na katarghqei h biza stoys Ellhnes polites. Ayto einai kai epishmh qesh;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw na xrhsimopoiei o Ypoyrgos k. Polydwras ayton ton isxyrismo ton opoio eseis probalete. Ayto poy egw gnwrizw einai oti edw kai kairo einai se ejelijh mia syzhthsh metajy twn dyo kybernhsewn akribws gia thn katarghsh ths bizas gia toys Ellhnes polites kata thn eisodo toys stis HPA. Syndeete, synepws, dyo qemata ta opoia den exoyn sxesh metajy toys.

BLAXOS: Qa dieykolyne pantws th synergasia metajy twn dyo xwrwn ena tajidi toy k. Polydwra sthn Oyasigkton;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ean yparxei kan prosklhsh. Jekinate apo mia ypoqesh thn opoia...

BLAXOS: Oi Amerikanoi exoyn kalesei polles fores ton k. Polydwra.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ean to exoyn pei se sas...

BLAXOS: Oxi, ta metedwsan ta radiofwna kai oi thleoraseis.

ANTWNAROS: Aytes tis meres, metadidontai polloi isxyrismoi arketoys apo toys opoioys qa sas elega, xwris na ekfrazw kamia amfibolia gia thn eparkeia twn synadelfwn sas, kalo qa htan na toys antimetwpizoyme kai me ligh periskech.

KYRITSHS: Pairnontas aformh apo prohgoymenh erwthsh synadelfoy, qelw na rwthsw ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h paroysa h h prohgoymenh exei dwsei adeia stis HPA na egkatasthsoyn kameres me tis opoies katopteyoyn ellhniko eqniko edafos.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite na epimenete sto epixeirhma sas gia to opoio sas eipa oti den exei isxyrh bash.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, den exw epixeirhma, aporia ejefrasa.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Pws einai dynaton to ellhniko kratos, na perimenei apo ena jeno kratos na to enhmerwsei gia to ginetai se ellhniko edafos. Aporia ejefrasa.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai mia dikh sas ypoqesh kai enas dikos sas isxyrismos.

BLAXOS: Egw akoyw oles aytes tis meres...

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy to akoyte;

BLAXOS: Apo oloys hmwn. Oti perimenete tis kameres. Na doqei sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs to binteo apo tis kameres poy einai egkatesthmenes se amerikaniko edafos, dhladh sthn amerikanikh presbeia.

ANTWNAROS: Apo poy to akoyte, den moy apanthsate akoma.

BLAXOS: Apo pantoy.

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite, apo pantoy;

BLAXOS: Apo to Ypoyrgeio, apo pantoy.

ANTWNAROS: Emena moy einai gnwstes k. Blaxo oi epishmes topoqethseis twn armodiwn Ypoyrgwn.

BLAXOS: Ektos kai an mas lete oti exete dikes sas kameres kai dikh sas kaseta. Ean mas to lete ayto...

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti ayto to epixeirhma to opoio xrhsimopoieite eseis, einai enisxytiko akribws ths qeshs ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oti prepei na xrhsimopoioyntai se tetoia peristatika, se tetoia parabatikh symperifora ta eyrhmata twn kamerwn ths ellhnikhs Politeias.

SPYRAKH: Exw dyo erwthmata na kanw. To prwto, epeidh briskomaste mprosta se ena paradojo, dhladh, yparxoyn eyrhmata apo tis kameres, den jeroyme ean einai ajiopoihsima h oxi, ta opoia einai sth diaqesh ths Troxaias. Kanw laqos; Einai oi kameres parakoloyqhshs ths kykloforias aytes poy dinoyn sthn Troxaia ta dedomena toys. Etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Oti problepetai apo thn ellhnikh nomoqesia.

SPYRAKH: Ta opoia den mporei na ta xrhsimopoihsei h Antitromokratikh h allh pleyra ths astynomias.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa oti problepetai apo thn ellhnikh nomoqesia.

SPYRAKH: Malista. Sthn kateyqynsh ths arshs aytoy toy paradojoy, epanerxomai. Qa arkesteite mono sto apotelesma ths prosfyghs poy yparxei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias, h mhpws etoimazete kai nomoqetikh ryqmish;

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka epaneilhmmenws kai h apanthsh thn opoia edwsa, htan safhs. H kybernhsh anamenei thn apofash toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias.

SPYRAKH: To allo poy hqela na sas rwthsw, einai to ejhs: Yparxei mia allhloyxia episkecewn Ellhnwn Ypoyrgwn Dhmosias Tajews sthn Oyasigkton. H allhloyxia ayth jekina apo thn periodo toy M. Xrysoxoidh kai synexizetai xwris diakoph mexri thn periodo toy B. Polydwra. Giati den qewrhse skopimo o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, na synexisei ayth th synergasia;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den eimai se qesh na sas pw -- epeidh eseis anaferqhkate profanws se mia xronikh allhloyxia tetoiwn episkecewn -- ayth th stigmh se ti xronikes apostaseis eginan oi prohgoymenes episkeceis. Deyteron, qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti exoyn ginei polles episkeceis Ypoyrgwn ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, se ola ta epipeda, pros tis Hnwmenes Politeies ths Amerikhs. Prospaqeite synepws na breite, na anadeijete ena ypotiqemeno problhma, ekei poy den yparxei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa hqela na kanw dyo erwthseis. Se prohgoymenh erwthsh gia to ean exei doqei adeia apo tis ellhnikes arxes sthn presbeia thn HPA na katopteyoyn eqniko edafos, apanthsate ``den gnwrizw''. Ayto qa pei oti mporei kai na exei doqei adeia kai na mh to gnwrizete; Kai to deytero, thn Paraskeyh o k. Polydwras bgainontas apo to Megaro Majimoy, milhse gia prospaqeia anabiwshs ths tromokratias, enw epishmws h kybernhsh milaei gia memonwmeno peristatiko. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei telika;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h topoqethsh thn opoia ekana molis pro oligoy se ayth thn aiqoysa kai thn opoia eixe kanei thn Paraskeyh kai o k. Roysopoylos, epishs se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean yparxei synantilhch metajy Aqhnwn kai Oyasigkton se zhthmata antitromokratias kai symperilambanw to Gkoyantanamo thn Air  CIA kai ola ta alla ...

ANTWNAROS: Exw thn entypwsh oti metaferete th syzhthsh se entelws diaforetikh qematologia h opoia den exei sxesh me to zhthma poy syzhtame mexri stigmhs edw.

KYRITSHS: Den paw makria, sthn antitromokratia eimai.

ANTWNAROS: Emeis milame gia peristatiko to opoio afora th xwra mas. Kai opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, tetoia qemata apaitoyn sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta sthn antimetwpish toys. Kai se ayton ton agwna gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias eimaste asymbibastoi kai ameiliktoi.

KYRITSHS: Sygnwmh, epi toy idioy. O Prwqypoyrgos kata pagia taktikh den anaferetai se eswterika qemata otan leipei sto ejwteriko. Ti htan ayto poy ton ekane na kanei mia tetoia dhlwsh, afoy malista eseis to ypobaqmizete kiolas;

ANTWNAROS: H topoqethsh thn opoia ekana egw se ayth thn aiqoysa den exei kanena stoixeio ypobaqmishs...

KYRITSHS: Oxi, den rwtaw gia sas.

ANTWNAROS: ... exei thn ennoia topoqethshs toy peristatikoy sta pragmatika toy plaisia. O Prwqypoyrgos, merikes fores, otan brisketai sto ejwteriko exei topoqethqei gia qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn trexoysa eswterikh epikairothta.

MAYRIDHS: Epitrecte moy, alla den exoyme parei apanthsh sto qema ayto poy qesame prohgoymenws. H topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy milaei genika gia thn tromokratia. Einai eynohto mia kybernhsh na einai ameilikth ston agwna kata ths tromokratias. Ayto einai mia genikh topoqethsh. Emeis milame gia ena sygkekrimeno peristatiko, memonwmeno, den jerw ti, to opoio den exei xarakthristei akoma. H amerikanikh pleyra den exei pei oti prokeitai gia tromokratiko ktyphma.

ANTWNAROS: H topoqethsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, ths opoias egw eimai Ekproswpos, einai safhs. H ektojeysh mias royketas enantion toy ktirioy mias diplwmatikhs antiproswpeias, nomizw oti einai apolyta safes to ti einai. Sas to eipa allwste sthn arxh ths shmerinhs enhmerwshs.

BLAXOS: Ti einai;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai ena tromokratiko ktyphma; Den einai mia tromokratikh prajh;

BLAXOS: Giati prepei na ginoyn deka xiliades erwthseis gia na mas to peite;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na anatrejete stis arxikes moy apanthseis. Sas to exw pei.

BLAXOS: Ma deka xiliades erwthseis k. Ekproswpe. Peristatiko mas to anebazete, peristatiko mas to katebazete. Twra to eipate tromokratiko ktyphma. H aplh koinh logikh se ayto odhgei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw. Den akoyte prosektika ta osa sas lew.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo tis epidoseis toy arxhgoy ths Astynomias; Sxediazei na parateinei th qhteia toy stis kriseis toy Martioy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipota panw se ayto. Se paremferes erwthma topoqethqhke epi toy qematos o k. Roysopoylos thn Paraskeyh. Den prokeitai egw na prokatalabw, se kamia periptwsh, tis kriseis toy Martioy, opws eipate.

KYRITSHS: Kata th diarkeia toy Sabbatokyriakoy eginan se diafora shmeia ths Aqhnas, sthn odo Peiraiws, ta Ejarxeia, thn Hlioypolh, polywres sygkroyseis astynomias me nearoys me spasimata aytokinhtwn, molotof k.l.p.. Ayta h kybernhsh ta qewrei tromokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs.

KAKALHS: Genikotera, pisteyete oti xreiazetai symplhrwsh to isxyon nomoqetiko plaisio poy yparxei gia thn antimetwpish ths tromokratias; Kai an sto plaisio ayto pisteyete oti oi diadhlwseis dhmioyrgoyn kapoio problhma sthn kybernhsh.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh Politeia exei eparkes nomiko kai qesmiko plaisio prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei tetoia fainomena.

KALARYTHS: Gnwrizete ean apo prohgoymena tromokratika ktyphmata exei doqei apozhmiwsh gia ylikes zhmies, opws nomizw oti problepei h ellhnikh nomoqesia, se katasthmatarxes kai ean exei parei apozhmiwsh o Ypoyrgos poy eixe pesei qyma ktyphmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs gia tis sxetikes plhrofories.

MELIGKWNHS: Xqes sth synenteyjh toy o k. Adamopoylos, o prwhn Genikos Dieyqynths ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy, eipe oti eixan diatypwqei kata th diarkeia ths qhteias toy apeiles kata ths zwhs toy apo ton Proedro ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy. Qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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