Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-12

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 12 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 51415726

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 12 Ianoyarioy 2007

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Shmera to prwi, opws gnwrizete, shmeiwqhke epiqesh me royketa enantion toy ktirioy ths Presbeias twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, sthn odo Basilisshs Sofias, apo thn opoia epiqesh projenhqhkan periorismenes ylikes zhmies. H kybernhsh, opws kai oloklhros o ellhnikos laos, katadikazei me apolyto apotropiasmo energeies opws h shmerinh poy stoxeyoyn enantion ths Dhmokratias, alla kai twn symferontwn ths xwras. Tonizw kathgorhmatika oti draseis opws h shmerinh, den briskoyn kamia apolytws yposthrijh sthn ellhnikh koinwnia. O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwqhke apo thn prwth stigmh kai brisketai se diarkh epikoinwnia me thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Oi armodies arxes diereynoyn thn ypoqesh me thn apaitoymenh sobarothta kai cyxraimia. Kai prepei na qewreitai apo oloys dedomenh h apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na dialeykanqei plhrws h ypoqesh kai na odhghqoyn oi ypeyqynoi sth Dikaiosynh. O agwnas kata ths tromokratias kai twn ekfrastwn ths einai diarkhs kai anendotos. H k. Mpakogiannh kai o k. Polydwras synanthqhkan shmera to prwi me ton presbh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, ston opoio ejefrasan ton apotropiasmo ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ton enhmerwsan gia thn poreia twn ereynwn, ereynes poy diejagontai se synergasia me eidikoys apo tis Hnwmenes Politeies kai alles xwres. Exoyn hdh ginei analytikes dhlwseis apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs. Qa akoysw kaqe erwthma sas, ws ek toytoy, parakalw na sebasteite oti h ereyna einai se ejelijh kai den mporw na dwsw polles apanthseis.

SIDERHS: Poies yphresies antimetwpizoyn to qema me apofasistikothta kai cyxraimia, kyrie Ekproswpe; H antitromokratikh poy eixate dialysei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na parakalesw na eimaste pio sobaroi se mia tetoia ypoqesh. H kathgoria thn opoia apeyqynete pros thn kybernhsh einai oxi mono ahqhs, alla kai entelws anakribhs. Allh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, epibebaiwqhke...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den sas sygxwrw, kyrie Siderh. Allh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: O k. Polydwras eipe shmera oti qa (den akoygetai) ton Syrro. Ayto den einai apodeijh... ;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Kwnstantinidhs exei to logo.

SIDERHS: Kathgoreite emena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na sebasteite toys kanones kyrie Siderh.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla moy prosdwsate xarakthrismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ...

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h ellhnikh kybernhsh fobatai oti ayth h energeia twn tromokratwn, piqanon na exei epiptwseis sta ejwterika mas qemata, idiaitera sto Skopiano poy ayth thn wra einai se ejelijh, erxetai o k. Nimits kai bebaia makroxrona kai sto Kypriako;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa, tetoies epiqeseis blaptoyn th Dhmokratia kai blaptoyn kai thn eikona ths xwras sto ejwteriko.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na mas enhmerwsete mexri twra gia thn poreia twn ereynwn. An yparxoyn estw kapoies prwtes endeijeis gia thn taytothta twn drastwn, an einai Ellhnes h an einai apo to ejwteriko kai to deytero poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw einai an yphrxan kameres sthn perioxh poy exoyn katagracei kinhseis poy endexomenws na bohqhsoyn sthn ereyna h opoia diejagetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto, exei dwsei mia apanthsh o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs me ta mexri stigmhs dedomena. Antilambaneste oti otan oloklhrwqoyn oi ereynes h otan proxwrhsoyn se epomena stadia, qa ginei enhmerwsh apo to armodio ypoyrgeio, apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Se o,ti afora to deytero, qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti yparxei apofash ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, symfwna me thn opoia apagoreyetai h lhch opoiwndhpote allwn stoixeiwn apo tis kameres poy briskontai stoys dromoys. To Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei prosfygei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias gia na epitrapei h dynatothta na xrhsimopoihqoyn aytes oi kameres gia logoys asfaleias, peran twn logwn kykloforias. Se o,ti afora kai ta dyo qemata, gnwrizw oti ekkremei eishghsh h exei ginei eishghsh, alla den exei yparjei apofash apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy, qelete na peite oti oi kameres poy leitoyrgoyn sthn perimetro ths Amerikanikhs Presbeias den katagrafoyn tipote allo pera apo thn kykloforia twn aytokinhtwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa poia einai ta erwthmata poy exei qesei to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs sthn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Apanthsa poia einai h apofash ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, apanthsa sto oti to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei prosfygei sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias.

KAKALHS: Den apanthsate omws sto ti isxyei, sthn pragmatikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Gkoytzanhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ypoqetw oti epikriseis peri aposaqrwshs h peri xalarwshs ths Antitromokratikhs Yphresias meta toys Olympiakoys Agwnes exete janakoysei. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia shmasia ean exw janakoysei h oxi epikriseis. Exei shmasia poia einai h doyleia h opoia ginetai.

GKOYTZANHS: Ennow oti einai ena sobaro erwthma gia na tiqetai. Den exei na kanei me opoiadhpote skopimothta, ean isxyei, ean den isxyei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den eqesa pote ypo amfisbhthsh th sobarothta erwthmatwn, akoma kai an ekana diatypwseis sklhres gia th diatypwsh twn erwthmatwn. Deyteron, oydepote milhsa gia skopimothtes kanenos dhmosiografoy se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SIDERHS: An to rhma poy xrhsimopoihsa htan toso bary, qa hqela na rwthsw, ti ekane o k. Polydwras, otan shmera kiolas, en brasmw, anakoinwse thn epistrofh toy k. Syrroy. Den einai paradoxh ayto poy dikaiwnei emena na xrhsimopoihsw mia tetoia lejh; Giati yparxoyn plhrofories apo syndikalistika stelexh ths Astynomias oti h Antitromokratikh, ta ekpaideymena stelexh poy htan prwhn twn Olympiakwn, se xwres poy exoyn kalh astynomia kai empeiria tromokratias, opws sth Bretania, sth Germania kai sthn Amerikh, ayta ta stelexh phgan se tmhmata kai hrqan alloi asxetoi. Ayth einai h kataggelia kai den einai ahqeis aytoi poy to kataggelloyn to kanoyn apo endiaferon gia thn yphresia toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti agnoeite pws o k. Syrros einai Yparxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Ara, loipon, den omiloyme peri kamias epanaforas. O Yparxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias, me entolh toy Ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajews, analambanei epikefalhs mias omadas gia th dialeykansh ths ypoqeshs sthn opoia bebaiws ton kyrio rolo paizei h Antitromokratikh Yphresia. H diatypwsh toy erwthmatos sas, odhgoyse sigoyra polloys apo thn aiqoysa poy den gnwrizoyn oti o k. Syrros einai Yparxhgos -ean den to gnwrizoyn h en pash periptwsei se opoion ton akoyei- sto symperasma oti einai sthn apostrateia kai epaneferqh. Einai, loipon, o Yparxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. H sobarothta ths ypoqeshs antimetwpizetai me thn idia sobarothta apo thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai etsi loipon, den einai kaqoloy asynhqes o Yparxhgos ths Astynomias na analambanei epikefalhs mias drasthriothtas. Oyte einai diakosmhtikh h qesh toy Yparxhgoy ths Astynomias.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh ayth thn tromokratikh energeia, h kybernhsh ektima ws piqanh th skiash twn sxesewn anamesa sthn Aqhna kai thn Oyasigkton;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi sxeseis aytes metajy twn dyo xwrwn einai ejairetikes kai qa parameinoyn ejairetikes.

SPYRAKH: Yphrjan ektos apo tis epikoinwnies poy exoyn hdh dhmosiopoihqei kai ennow ths k. Mpakogiannh me ton k. Ris kai toy k. Polydwra me ton k. Ris, yphrjan alles epikoinwnies se anwtero epipedo, peran toy presbews;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Ws yparxhgos ths Astynomias o k. Syrros mexri twra den eixe epopteia twn antitromokratikwn, na to pw etsi, epixeirhsewn; Giati kriqhke skopimh twra h epanafora toy s` ayth thn omada drashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kriqhke skopimh -opws to qetete- oyte klhqhke se epanafora. Einai o yparxhgos ths Astynomias. O yparxhgos ths Astynomias analambanei to syntonismo ths drashs. Epanalambanw, oti o yparxhgos ths Astynomias den einai diakosmhtikh qesh. Exei armodiothtes, exei apofasistiko rolo.

KAKALHS: Ayto lew. Mexri twra ti ekane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei mia seira apo armodiothtes. Analambanei, loipon, gia ena xroniko diasthma na asxolhqei kyriws me ayto. Dhladh, eseis an eisaste Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai eixate yparxhgo ths Astynomias enan anqrwpo o opoios einai ejeidikeymenos ston tomea, den qa zhtoysate th syndromh toy yparxhgoy ths Astynomias, na analabei epikefalhs mias omadas h opoia leitoyrgei hdh -kai leitoyrgei apodedeigmena kala- gia na enisxyqei ayth h drash, gia na mporesei na erqei ena apotelesma pio grhgora; Edw taytizetai h qesh toy yparxhgoy ths Astynomias me ena proswpo to opoio exei eydokimh qhteia ston tomea ths antitromokratias. Phre anabaqmish o k. Syrros. Den einai sto baqmo poy htan prin apo dyo  tria xronia. Exei anabaqmistei, exei allo baqmo.

BLABIANOS: Ta mexri stigmhs stoixeia ypodeiknyoyn egxwria tromokratia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei dwsei mia apanthsh o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Den qa pw kati perissotero.

XIWTHS: Epistrefw sto erwthma poy sas ekana prin giati den katalaba to ejhs: Peran apo tis kameres poy katagrafoyn thn kinhsh stoys dromoys gia thn opoia ap o,ti katalaba qa synexisete na piezete thn Arxh Prostasias Dedomenwn, den yphrxan alles...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa piesoyme kanenan. Emeis exoyme zhthsei apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias na krinei kata poso mporei na ginei xrhsh twn texnikwn dynatothtwn poy exoyn doqei apo to 2004 me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, apo thn kaqe kamera poy exei topoqethqei, na ginei xrhsh kai gia logoys asfaleias peran twn logwn kykloforias. Ap` o,ti plhroforoymai h eishghsh toy eishghth einai qetikh apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias. Alla, ayth einai mia plhroforia poy den mporw na th dwsw ws epishmh phgh, giati einai plhroforia poy exei dhmosieytei, exei graftei, exei kykloforhsei apo to dhmosiografiko reportaz. Egw ofeilw na meinw sto oti to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei zhthsei apo to Symboylio ths Epikrateias na skeftei oti yparxoyn kai logoi asfaleias oi opoioi qa epebalan thn xrhsimopoihsh, sta shmeia poy exoyn topoqethqei, ths kameras h twn kamerwn -an mporoyme na xrhsimopoihsoyme genikh plhqyntikoy gi` ayth thn jenh lejh- etsi wste na mporesei na bohqhqei to ergo ths Astynomias se tetoies periptwseis.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy hqela symplhrwmatika na sas rwthsw einai: Peran aytwn twn kamerwn, briskomaste teleiws sto skotadi h yparxoyn katagegrammenes kinhseis apo tis kameres ths Presbeias, apo kameres trapezwn, idiwtikwn forewn poy briskontai sthn perioxh; Exete eikona apo kei, an yparxei kati to opoio mporei na bohqhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exw eikona. Fantazomai oti an yparxei kati qa einai antikeimeno apo thn idiwtikh fylajh h apo th fylajh ths Astynomias sthn perimetro. Se o,ti afora tis kameres aytes poy exoyn topoqethqei, sas eipa oti einai diaxeirishs kykloforias. Den xrhsimopoioyntai gia allo logo. Qa einai sigoyra sto yliko poy exei h anakritikh epitroph.

XIWTHS: Sygxwrhste me gia thn epimonh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, alla qa doqei h entypwsh oti prokeitai gia diakritikh metaxeirish.

XIWTHS: Mporw na synexisw to erwthma me thn anoxh twn synadelfwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Argotera.

MAYRIDHS: O k. Polydwras eipe: Ektimoyme oti yparxei piqanothta egxwrias drasthriothtas. Piqanothta, milhse gia piqanothta egxwrias drasthriothtas. Eseis apofeygete na peite an einai egxwria drasthriothta. Edw yparxei ena krisimo qema: An einai egxwria drasthriothta, apokleietai h piqanothta ths probokatsias. To oti den to lete jekaqara kai eseis, parapempete ston Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs kai den to lete, ekeinos leei piqanothta egxwrias drasthriothtas. Den afhnete kapoia skia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ap` olo to syllogismo sas, qa symfwnhsoyme sto oti einai ena krisimo qema. Kata ta loipa, den qa pw tipota perissotero. Exei pei o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs o,ti aytos krinei, me bash ta stoixeia ta opoia exei mexri stigmhs kai thn ereyna poy diejagetai.

SPYRAKH: Mporw na rwthsw kati poy aptetai ths astynomikhs ereynas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti den mporw na sas apanthsw, alla rwthste.

SPYRAKH: H royketa poy ektojeyqhke symfwna me thn eikona poy yparxei ayth th stigmh, katarxhn rwtw kai an thn epibebaiwnete, den sygkatalegetai stis royketes ths klapeises apo to stratopedo toy Sykoyrioy. Einai etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egine erwthsh ston k. Polydwra kai edwse apanthsh.

SPYRAKH: To gnwrizw ayto. Qelw na rwthsw an exete eikona gia to se poies kateyqynseis diejagetai h ereyna, wste na breqei h proeleysh ths royketas. Antimetwpizete to endexomeno h royketa ayth na hrqe sthn Ellada apo to ejwteriko mesw allhs odoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyste kai apeyqynomai se oloys toys synadelfoys sas: Antilambanomai to meizon endiaferon. Pistecte me oti einai kai diko mas endiaferon, kai diko moy endiaferon kai bebaiws kai ths kybernhshs. Antilambanomaste oloi oti den eimai se qesh na apanthsw se ola ta erwthmata, eite giati den mporw na gnwrizw tis apanthseis sta erwthmata, eite giati yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia apoteloyn meros toy proanakritikoy ylikoy kai briskontai sth diaqesh twn armodiwn poy kanoyn ayth thn ereyna. Mporoyn na ypoblhqoyn opoies erwthseis nomizete. Qa hqela na parakalesw na dexqeite ayth th dhlwsh, thn opoia ekana allwste, meta to kleisimo ths eisagwgikhs moy anakoinwshs.

ROYMELIWTHS: Gnwrizoyme oti h Amerikanikh Presbeia fylassetai panta me drakonteia metra. Wstoso, o k. Polydwras shmera eipe oti qa diereynhqei kai piqanh oligwria sth fylajh ths Presbeias poy odhghse sto xtyphma. Ti ennooyse o k. Polydwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na pw kati perissotero. Nomizw oti einai arketa safes ayto poy eipe.

PEPONHS: O k. Polydwras eipe oti eginan dyo thlefwnhmata ta opoia ajiologoyntai. Mporeite na mas peite pros ta poy eginan ayta ta thlefwnhmata kai an exei kai kati...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti h Astynomia entos ths hmeras qa dwsei perissoteres plhrofories.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti h Astynomia ta ereyna me eidikoys apo tis HPA kai alles xwres. Aytoi oi eidikoi htan edw h eklhqhsan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, yparxei mia synergasia, sta qemata tromokratikwn epiqesewn, edw kai polla xronia, me yphresies apo diafores xwres toy dytikoy kosmoy. Den einai prwtofanhs synergasia. Einai mia synergasia...

SIDERHS: Oxi, den antilegw. Einai gnwsto ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den shmainei oti yphrxan kapoy 10 h 15 anqrwpoi kleismenoi h krymmenoi h perimenan gi` ayth th mia epiqesh. Shmainei oti yparxei mia diarkhs synergasia, antallassontai stoixeia k.o.k. Ayto ennow.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean den kanw laqos kai qymamai kala, ayto to xtyphma einai h prwth megalh tromokratikh energeia poy exoyme san drash meta thn ejoydeterwsh ths 17N. Fobatai h kybernhsh oti mporei na exoyme mia anazwpyrwsh, mia anaqermansh ths tromokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw mia dhlwsh poy eixa kanei kai prin apo merikoys mhnes, me aformh thn epiqesh enantion toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy. Eixa pei tote -kai isxyei ayth h dhlwsh- oti h tromokratia sthn Ellada, sta basika ths shmeia me tromokratikes organwseis oi opoies edrasan gia para polla xronia, exei ejaleifqei. Sthn Ellada, opws kai se kaqe xwra -eipa tote kai epanalambanw- einai dynaton na antimetwpisoyme kai sto mellon memonwmena peristatika. Egw ekei entassw ayth th shmerinh epiqesh.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy hqela na rwthsw prohgoymenws einai, eji wres meta thn epiqesh h Amerikanikh Presbeia poy fylassetai apo enan idiwtiko forea kai profanws katagrafei tis kinhseis ston peribolo me kameres, den exei dwsei akomh stoixeia sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh ti kinhseis kategrace; Giati mas lete oti akomh den yparxei tipota. Ara, anarwtiemai ean yparxei gonimh kai eilikrinhs synergasia tis prwtes wres ths synergasias. Ayto einai to ena poy qelw na rwthsw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na apanthsw gia na mhn to jexasw. Einai dyo oi dieykriniseis poy prepei na ginoyn edw. Prwton, den eipa pote oti den yparxei tipota. Eipa se opoiodhpote qema kai ean rwthqhka oti ta opoia stoixeia yparxoyn -den gnwrizw poia einai ta stoixeia ayta- briskontai sth diaqesh ths Astynomias, h opoia ereyna. Gnwrizete poly kala, apo dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs, oti thn ereyna exei analabei h ellhnikh Astynomia, kati to opoio allwste den xreiazetai na epibebaiwsei o Amerikanos presbhs. To eipe kai o Amerikanos presbhs. Den perimena bebaiws thn epibebaiwsh apo kanena jeno paragonta gi` ayto to qema. Deyteron, den yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia na gnwrizw egw, dioti den eimai egw epikefalhs ths ereynas. Ara, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, otan erwtwmai ti gnwrizei h kybernhsh, sas apantw oti yparxoyn eidikes yphresies poy asxoloyntai me thn ereyna. H kybernhsh, di` emoy ws ekproswpoy ths, topoqeteitai politika panw sto qema. Ekana mia eisagwgikh dhlwsh kai opoy mporw na bohqhsw th doyleia sas, qa to kanw me opoia stoixeia diaqetw. Perissotera den diaqetw. H Astynomia, opoia stoixeia diaqetei kai krinei oti mporoyn na dhmosiopoihqoyn, qa ta dhmosiopoiei. Antilambaneste oti se tetoies periptwseis bebaiws yparxoyn kai stoixeia ta opoia mporei na diateinontai kai na krinei h Astynomia oti den prepei na dhmosiopoihqoyn.

XIWTHS: Aytos o typos ths royketas poy xrhsimopoihqhke gnwrizoyme oti den klaphke apo to Sykoyrio. Exete epibebaiwsei oti den yparxei aytos o typos ths royketas se kamia apoqhkh toy ellhnikoy stratoy, twn Enoplwn Dynamewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na sas dwsw apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Synhqws meta apo tetoia tromokratika xtyphmata erxontai neoi ``tromonomoi'' poy plhttoyn ta dikaiwmata twn politwn. H kybernhsh meta apo ayto to xtyphma sxediazei kapoia epiprosqeta nomoqetika metra sto onoma ths antimetwpishs ths tromokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh o,ti eixe na pei, to exei pei. Giati den einai ena qema to opoio anefyei aifnhs. Einai ena qema to opoio apasxolei, opws gnwrizete, th dieqnh koinothta, oxi mono th xwra mas.

SIDERHS: Ektos apo ton k. Syrro, qa epilhfqoyn kai alla palia stelexh ths Antitromokratikhs; Sygnwmh poy epimenw, estw kai ean to qewrhsete ahqes, alla einai katalytikh h dynatothta parembashs kai ajiopoihshs twn stoixeiwn apo dokimasmena stelexh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn adikeite oyte ton eayto sas, oyte thn antilhch th dikh moy. To ``ahqhs'' htan xarakthrismos poy anaferotan...

SIDERHS: Sto yfos moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... sto yfos to opoio xrhsimopoihsate, diatypwnontas ena erwthma peri dialysewn yphresiwn k.o.k. En pash periptwsei, qewrw oti exw apanthsei sto erwthma. Mhn to koyrazoyme.

MELIGKWNHS: O k. Polydwras, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, ekane logo gia th sygkrothsh mias dynamhs kroyshs, task force, eipe sygkekrimena. Ektos apo th symmetoxh ths ellhnikhs Astynomias kai ths Antitromokratikhs, yparxei periptwsh na symballoyn se ayth thn omada kai jenes mystikes yphresies h jenes dynameis asfaleias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw rwthqei nwritera kai exw apanthsei dyo fores.

STAQOPOYLOS: To gegonos oti den yparxei akoma prokhryjh gia thn analhch eyqynhs, sas anhsyxei, mhpws yparjei kai neo xtyphma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai eidikos. H antistoixh omada -efoson isxyei oti einai ayth h organwsh, h omada, opws mporei na th xarakthrisei kapoios- kai sthn prohgoymenh epiqesh ths, sto prohgoymeno xtyphma enantion toy prwhn ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs ejedwse mia prokhryjh liges hmeres argotera.

SPYRAKH: Dyo erwthseis exw: H prwth einai ean yparxei politikh ektimhsh gia thn epixeirhsiakh ikanothta ths omadas poy emfanizetai na analambanei thn eyqynh gia thn epiqesh sthn presbeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei mia dhlwsh o k. Polydwras. Parakalw na meinw se ayth.

SPYRAKH: H deyterh erwthsh einai, ean qewreite oti se sxesh me tis omades poy eixan drasthriopoihqei sto parelqon sth xwra mas, h omada ayth apotelei synexeia h neoterh genia se sxesh me ta proswpa poy briskontai hdh ston Korydallo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh moy den moy epitrepei na kanw kamia krish epi toy qematos, poly perissotero mia grhgorh, proxeirh krish.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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