Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-12-18

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 18 Dekembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 46969721

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 18 Dekembrioy 2006

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, thn perasmenh ebdomada, otan erwthqhkate gia th dienejh toy k. Soyflia me ton k. Alogoskoyfh, mas eipate oti h kybernhsh threi eniaia stash. Apo ayta poy eida to Sabbatokyriako den katalaba thn eniaia stash ths kybernhshs sto qema ayto. Anarwtiemai, ti exete na mas peite shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kamia diaforetikh proseggish ws pros thn oysia toy qematos.

SPYRAKH: Wstoso, kyrie Ypoyrge, oi apoceis twn dyo koryfaiwn diatypwnontai dhmosiws, eyqews pleon, se prwto proswpo, kai einai safws antikroyomenes, exoyn malista xarakthra proswpikhs diamaxhs. Ayto einai ena stoixeio to opoio ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia thn kybernhsh to qema exei kleisei. Den qa pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: H dhlwsh toy k. Kefalogiannh, me thn opoia kalei se paraithsh ton k. Soyflia kai me dedomeno oti o k. Kefalogiannhs einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, egine katopin synennohsews me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yparxei tetoia dhlwsh. Den yparxei kanena qema paraithshs toy k. Soyflia h opoioydhpote alloy Ypoyrgoy.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na sxoliasete ena shmerino prwtoselido qema toy EQNOYS, me titlo ``Toyrkiko by pass sto Aigaio'', poy epikrinei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh oti ekryce prwtofanh proklhsh panw apo Skyro  Xio opoy leei metajy twn allwn, dyo oplismena F16 ths Agkyras anaxaitisan kai katerrican eikonika ellhniko C130.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa me to Ypoyrgeio Amynhs kai to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. To gegonos pragmati synebh. Dyo toyrkika F16 parabiasan ton ellhniko enaerio xwro. To dhmosieyma omws einai ejairetika diogkwmeno. Oyte parenoxlhsh yphrje, alla oyte kai anaxaitish toy ellhnikoy C130 apo toyrkika F16, toy opoioy h asfaleia den eteqh pote se kindyno. Symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, dyo toyrkika F16 proseggisan to ellhniko C130, sxedon se apostash 3 xiliometrwn kai anaxaitisthkan amesws apo ellhnika miraz. Enhmerwqhke to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, to opoio akoloyqwntas tis synhqeis diadikasies, proebh stis aparaithtes energeies diabhmatos.

SARANTAKOS: Ep` aytoy, oi synhqeis diadikasies poy proebh to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, poies einai; Prwton kai deyteron, giati den anakoinwqhke tote ayto to gegonos, oytws wste na apofeyxqoyn diogkwseis, opws eseis eipate, dhmosieymatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaia, qa mporoyse kaneis na anarwthqei kai giati den yphrje diastayrwsh twn plhroforiwn, wste na apofeyxqoyn oi diogkwseis aytes.

SARANTAKOS: H kybernhsh omws qewrhtika anakoinwnei otan symbainei ena gegonos, na yparxei estw proseggish dyo maxhtikwn aeroskafwn panw apo ta nera toy Aigaioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoio prohgoymeno.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh qa einai eyqeia, kyrie Ypoyrge, me aformh thn kontra...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws kai twn ypoloipwn synadelfwn sas, eyqeies einai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Bebaiws. Opoios Ypoyrgos diafwnei me thn kentrikh politikh grammh ths kybernhshs, paraiteitai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei hdh sto erwthma prohgoymenws, nomizw o k. Blaxos to eqese.

BLAXOS: Meta th dhlwsh ayth toy k. Kefalogiannh, yparxei qema Kefalogiannh gia thn kybernhsh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia dhlwsh, opote den yparxei kai qema.

BLAXOS: Ennoeite oti den exei kanei th dhlwsh epeidh den th gnwrizete eseis; Den shmainei ayto oti den eixe kanei mia dhlwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kai deytero skelos h apanthsh moy. Krathste to deytero skelos.

SIDERHS: Se allo qema. Thn Paraskeyh rwthsa ton k. Antwnaro gia to gegonos oti efygan kapoioi syllhfqentes apo to Metagwgwn. Thn Pempth eixame thn epiqesh sto Astynomiko Tmhma stoy Papagoy. Se treis wres meta thn erwthsh, eixame th lhsteia sto IKA. Otan hsastan sthn antipoliteysh kai eixate eykoles tis kataggelies, den qa legate an synebainan ayta ta mazika gegonota epi PASOK oti einai mia kybernhsh epikindynh gia th dhmosia asfaleia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi prospaqeies gia meiwsh ths parabatikothtas einai diarkeis kai emfaneis. H parabatikothta den ejaleifetai, dystyxws, apo kamia sygxronh xwra.

XIWTHS: Eipate oti to qema gia thn kybernhsh exei kleisei. Pws akribws ekleise kyrie Ypoyrge; Koyrasthke na xtypaei o enas ton allo kai ekleise; Dioti to problhma me ton OTE den einai aplws ena problhma dienejhs dyo koryfaiwn Ypoyrgwn. Einai ena problhma poy akyrwnei sthn oysia kai thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na anazhthsei to strathgiko etairo. Anarwtiemai, loipon, pws exei kleisei ayto to qema mono me mia dhlwsh dikh sas h toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn Paraskeyh oti den yparxei zhthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti perissotero qa qelate eseis kyrie Xiwth. Antilambanomai thn parathrhsh sas ws sxolio.

XIWTHS: Th dikh sas den antilambanomai ws apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Meta ta dhmosieymata ths Kyriakhs poy eixan tis dhlwseis kai ta pyra twn dyo Ypoyrgwn, yphrje epikoinwnia twn dyo Ypoyrgwn me ton k. Karamanlh h me esas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy gnwrizw einai oti h epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Ypoyrgoys toy einai synexhs.

KAKALHS: To PASOK idiwtikopoihse ton OTE kata 62%. Mporeite na mas peite epishma to pososto poy qa ekxwrhsei twra h kybernhsh stoys idiwtes kai ti qa ginei telika me ton elegxo toy dhmosioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh poy exei ginei apo th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph stis 6 Septembrioy toy trexontos etoys kai stis 9 Septembrioy. Einai analytikes anakoinwseis, tis exw epanalabei ki alles fores sthn aiqoysa ayth. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na tis epanalabw.

KAKALHS: ... (den akoygetai) den prosdiorizete to pososto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn aiqoysa ayth me rwthsate kai sas eipa gia ta pososta.

BLAXOS: Eseis proswpika, milhsate shmera me ton k. Soyflia gia na diereynhsete profanws tis proqeseis toy h gia na dieyqethsete to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo th qesh moy, epikoinwnw kaqhmerina sxedon me oloys toys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Me to pneyma poy eipa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa gia pneyma. Egw eipa pws askw ta kaqhkonta moy. Ofeilw apo th qesh poy eimai, na epikoinwnw kaqhmerina me oloys toys ypoyrgoys. Yparxoyn mia seira apo qemata, sta opoia prospaqw na proetoimastw oso kalytera ginetai.

BLAXOS: Opws to endexomeno paraithshs toy k. Soyflia; Ayto einai ena apo ta qemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exw kleisei hdh, ayto to endexomeno.

BLAXOS: To kleisate meta apo epikoinwnia me ton k. Soyflia; Ayto rwtw kyrie Ekproswpe.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: An ypoqesoyme oti eimai strathgikos ependyths, den eimai bebaia, kai qelw na proxwrhsw se mia agora. Blepw dyo koryfaia stelexh ths kybernhshs kai tsakwnontai. Pws qa proxwrhsw otan blepw oti den yparxei ajiopistia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala, oti den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

MAYRIDHS: To Sabbato o k. Soyflias ebgale mia grapth anakoinwsh poy leei diafora ekei. Ena shmeio milaei gia thn tropologia, h opoia kata th gnwmh toy den problepei ayto poy problepei to programma ths Neas Dhmokratias, peri strathgikhs symmaxias kai peri apo koinoy manatzment dhmosioy ependyth.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, de nomizw oti diabazete swsta thn anakoinwsh. Deyteron, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, exw erwthqei edw, prin apo liges hmeres kai exw apanthsei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate, qema paraithshs toy k. Soyflia den yparxei. Qema apopomphs yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Xqes, o k. Gewrgiadhs o boyleyths sas, apantwntas sto PASOK poy kathgoroyse gia yperxrewsh twn noikokyriwn, eipe oti ta noikokyria daneizontai epeidh einai aisiodoja gia thn eqnikh mas oikonomia. Kai oi trapezes ta daneizoyn epeidh kai aytes einai aisiodojes gia thn eqnikh mas oikonomia kai jeroyn oti qa toys epistrafoyn ta xrhmata. Exete thn idia proseggish;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O dialogos sth Boylh, opws gnwrizete, einai eleyqeros. Antiparatiqentai apoceis kai sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, h eytyxhs sygkyria fernei thn kybernhsh na antiparaqetei apoceis me to komma toy PASOK, to opoio, kaqe xrono allazei tis probleceis toy se sxesh me ton proypologismo. Hdh eixan thn eykairia xqes, kai o genikos eishghths alla kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn na anaferoyn me enargeia ta osa eixe problecei to PASOK -kai bebaiws diaceysqhkan- kai sth syzhthsh to 2004 kai to 2005 gia toys proypologismoys twn etwn 2005 kai 2006. Den yparxei logos na pw tipote perissotero. Nomizw oti h apanthsh htan katalytikh.

SIDERHS: Aytes poy sas proanefera tis briskete arkoyntws sobares;

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Alogoskoyfhs, diabazw, h ypoqesh toy OTE einai ena dyskolo egxeirhma ths kybernhshs poy apaitei syllogikh doyleia kai omocyxia. Kata synepeia, logikes pempths falaggas den xwroyn. Ean ayth h dhlwsh den ferei to entona synaisqhmatiko fortio tote poioi ekproswpoyn thn pempth falagga sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oyte egw omws antilambanomai th dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Leei, logikes pempths falaggas den xwroyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy mporw na prosqesw sta osa exw pei mexri twra, einai oti epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Alogoskoyfh, o opoios me diabebaiwse oti se kamia periptwsh den edwse o idios thn ennoia thn opoia blepw na didete eseis, sthn erwthsh poy kanate h kai orismena dhmosieymata shmera, me aformh th xqesinh dhlwsh.

BLAXOS: Sas ejhghse, ti ennoia edwse; Einai poly shmantiko na mas peite ti ennoia didei o k. Ypoyrgos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh biazeste, den prokeitai na fygw. Edw qa eimai. Amesws meta qa sas apanthsw.

SARANTAKOS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean epibebaiwnete ayto poy leei o k. Soyflias oti sto periqwrio ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, metajy ymwn, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy k. Alogoskoyfh kai toy k. Soyflia, syzhthqhke to qema ths tropologias gia ton OTE kai poia htan h kateyqynsh poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero gia to qema.

SARANTAKOS: Rwtw ean sympiptei...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero gia to qema.0

SARANTAKOS: Den to eixame pei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada gia thn tropologia. Den mas eixate anakoinwsei ti syzhthqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristw.

BLAXOS: Profanws, apo thn apanthsh sas, katalaba oti rwthsate ton k. Alogoskoyfh ti ennooyse me thn pempth falagga. Eipe oti den edwse, opws mas eipate, ayth thn ennoia poy doqhke apo ta dhmosieymata. Sas ejhghse poia einai h ennoia thn opoia dinei sthn anafora toy se pempth falagga sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiasthke peraiterw syzhthsh apo th stigmh poy moy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs ayto, na sas to metaferw. Den exei kanena nohma na syzhthsoyme perissotero.

BLAXOS: Exete xasei kai thn periergeia sas, ws dhmosiografos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Twra, apo polla xronia.

GKOYTZANHS: An yparxoyn logikes ths pempths falaggas mesa sthn kybernhsh, anejarthta apo ti ejefraze h ti hqele na pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kamia periptwsh.

KAKALHS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs zhta anaqewrhsh sygkekrimenwn arqrwn toy Syntagmatos, opws to 106 kai to 79, prokeimenoy  opws anaferei  na yposthrixqoyn oi ependyseis. Ayth einai proswpikh toy qesh h thn exei yioqethsei h kybernhsh kai einai epishmh qesh ths, enocei ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta pros anaqewrhsh arqra toy Syntagmatos, gnwrizete poly kala, oti gnwstopoihqhkan apo ton Prwqypoyrgo se armodia synedriash ths koinoboyleytikhs omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias edw kai polloys mhnes.

KAKALHS: Paramenei se aytes tis qeseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na pw tipota perissotero. Kanw mia parenqesh se ayto poy eipe o k. Kakalhs gia na qymisw oti yparxei diadikasia me thn opoia 50 boyleytes mporoyn na zhthsoyn na anaqewrhqei kapoio arqro.

MELIGKWNHS: Shmera to prwi se synenteyjh toy o k. Panos Kammenos dhlwse oti ean eisai ypoyrgos poy diafwneis me thn politikh ths kybernhshs paraiteisai kai pas spiti soy. Symfwneite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio. Exw hdh apanthsei sto qema ayto.

XIWTHS: Epistrefw sth dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh giati den katalaba ayto poy apanthsate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan toso safes.

XIWTHS: Gia na mhn yparjei kamia parermhneia to lew. Lete oti ayto poy yposthrizei o k. Alogoskoyfhs se kamia periptwsh den isxyei. Dhladh logikes pempths falaggas den isxyoyn gia thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti exw apanthsei hdh kai me eykrineia.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw pws krinete thn paroysia arketwn ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs sta mpoyzoykia me megaloepixeirhmatia poy einai kai ekdoths, kaqws epishs pws krinete kai thn paroysia shmantikoy ariqmoy ypoyrgwn se ekdhlwsh, epishs, megaloepixeirhmatia poy asxoleitai kai meta toy Typoy; Sas qymizw oti sto parelqon gia antistoixes periptwseis otan htan to PASOK kybernhsh tis eixate apo thn antipoliteysh sthliteysei h estw kritikarei. Kai bebaiws pantote oi dhlwseis Prwqypoyrgoy peri semnothtas kai tapeinothtas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. O dromos toy kaqenos einai diayghs, eidika otan einai sthn politikh.

BLAXOS: Telika o k. Soyflias gnwrize thn tropologia; Telika o k. Soyflias leei cemata h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto qema ayto. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Oxi se ayto den exete apanthsei. An gnwrize.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero apo ayta ta opoia sas exw pei.

BLAXOS: An leei cemata h oxi oyte se ayto exete apanthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den pisteyw oti yparxei kanenas ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs poy leei cemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos meleta to qema toy anasxhmatismoy aytes tis hmeres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

XIWTHS: Exw mia erwthsh poy endexomenws na mhn gnwrizete. Ean den gnwrizete parakalw na to ereynhsete kai na pas peite. Plhrofories apo diplwmatikes phges anaferoyn oti h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh syzhta aytes tis hmeres episkech toy k. Gkioyl sthn Aqhna entos toy Ianoyarioy. Qelw na rwthsw kat'arxhn an gnwrizete kai ean epibebaiwnete ayth thn plhroforia kai deyteron ean h episkech toy k. Gkioyl - poy ypoqetw oti ean den einai mesa ston Ianoyario qa einai poly syntoma - qa syndyastei me mia episkech toy sth Qrakh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw perissoteres leptomereies. Nomizw rwthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos thn perasmenh ebdomada stis Bryjelles kai apanthse. Se o,ti afora ti epishma isxyei gia to xronodiagramma xwris na pei sygkekrimena to pote, ayto einai qema to opoio qa kaqoristei metajy twn dyo Ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos sas, h Ellada den exei na fobhqei apolytws tipota. Yparxei h dynatothta kaqenos apo toys jenoys politikoys eite einai se epipedo Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn h alloy Ypoyrgoy h Prwqypoyrgoy, na episkeptetai opoiodhpote meros ths xwras mas.

XIWTHS: Den kanw kritikh, den kanw sxolio sthn erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den parejhgw thn erwthsh.

XIWTHS: Einai shmantiko na jeroyme pote qa erqei o k. Gkioyl sthn Aqhna, dedomenoy malista oti gnwrizoyme oti entos toy Ianoyarioy qa erqei kai o k. Papadopoylos sthn Aqhna gia epafes me thn kybernhsh. Kai to deytero epishs einai ean yparxei tetoio aithma apo thn Toyrkia, kalo einai na gnwrizoyme oti yparxei kai oti exei ginei apodekto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan oristikopoihqoyn oi leptomereies toy tajidioy eimai bebaios oti qa anakoinwqoyn.

XIWTHS: Kat' arxhn den gnwrizete ean yparxei episkech entos toy Ianoyarioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti menw se ayta poy exei dhlwsei o Prwqypoyrgos thn perasmenh Paraskeyh. Otan ta dyo Ypoyrgeia Ejwterikwn oloklhrwsoyn tis leptomereies toy tajidioy qa tis anakoinwsoyn.

XIWTHS: Moy epitrepete, Sygnwmh gia thn epimonh. O Prwqypoyrgos, pragmati, einai safes ayto poy eipe thn Paraskeyh, alla shmera einai Deytera kai apo oti katalabainw aytoy toy eidoys oi epafes ejelissontai. Qa hqela loipon h entos ths hmeras h ayrio na aposafhnisoyme to pote qa erqei o k. Gkioyl sthn Aqhna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei yparjei topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Thn epanalambanw shmera edw. Ean yparxei kati apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn eimai bebaios oti qa anakoinwqei sthn wra toy.

GKOYTZANHS: Se prohgoymenh erwthsh moy eipate oti o dromos toy kaqenos einai diayghs. Egw den ypainixqhka oti den einai diayghs. Allo rwthsa. Ean h paroysia arketwn ypoyrgwn se ekdhlwseis megaloepixeirhmatiwn poy sxetizontai kai me ton Typo dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis kai ean einai se antiqesh me ayta ta opoia elege prohgoymenws h idia h Nea Dhmokratia gia toys tote ypoyrgoys toy PASOK. Einai politiko to erwthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qewrw oti einai se antifash h se antiqesh dioti den mporoyn na einai sygkrisima ayta ta gegonota ta opoia lete twra me kati to opoio eikazw oti ypainisseste gia to parelqon. Ena h dyo sygkekrimena qemata.

BLAXOS: Pws einai ta kefia toy Prwqypoyrgoy meta thn htta toy Panaqhnaikoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allo erwthma. Prepei na sebastoyme kai tis ypoloipes omades, opote ean me rwthsete gia ton Panaqhnaiko qa prepei na me rwthsete kai gia ton Olympiako k.l.p..

SIDERHS: Sto erwthma toy k. Gkoytzanh. Poia einai h poiotikh diafora stis koinwnikes epafes twrinwn ypoyrgwn me toys tote ypoyrgoys epeidh aytes tote ginontan se kotero;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prwth apanthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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