Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-12-06

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 6 Dekembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 44830871

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 2006

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.00, qa milhsei sth Boylh, sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia synedriazei, opws pantote, sthn Aiqoysa ths Geroysias. Ws ek toytoy, opws kaqe fora, den qa ginei enhmerwsh Typoy to meshmeri.

" Qa hqela, na moy epitrecete na epanelqw se mia dhlwsh -gia thn opoia edwsa mia prwth apanthsh xqes- toy ekproswpoy Typoy toy PASOK, sxetika me tis kataxwrhseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias stis efhmerides. Kat` arxas, qa epanalabw oti o stoxos twn drasewn aytwn einai h plhresterh enhmerwsh twn politwn se qemata meizonos, gia toys idioys, shmasias, opws einai h forologikh metarryqmish. Tonizw oti se oles tis dhmosies yphresies einai anarthmeno to keimeno, opws sas eipa kai xqes, me ta dikaiwmata kai tis ypoxrewseis twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn. Einai ypoxrewsh toy dhmosioy, ths Politeias, kaqe ypoyrgeioy xwrista na enhmerwnei toys polites. Qa ofeile o ekproswpos Typoy toy PASOK na einai pio prosektikos, giati ta osa isxyrizetai, diaceydontai kai apo ta gegonota. Ton Martio toy 2003, epi kybernhsews PASOK, to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, ejedwse kai kykloforhse to fylladio -to opoio mporw na sas dianeimw sth synexeia- ws enqeto stis efhmerides, me thn ypografh toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, me titlo ``Enisxysh eisodhmatos misqwtwn kai syntajioyxwn- sthrijh ths oikogeneias''. Den qa kanw kanena peraiterw sxolio. Nomizw oti ta gegonota miloyn apo mona toys.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs sxetika me to arqro 16 toy Syntagmatos; Protiqetai na to eisagei pros syzhthsh sthn Epitroph prin apo ta Xristoygenna h argotera, opws arxikws eixe anakoinwqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti den metaferw edw ta osa syzhtoyntai sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, h sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Prin apo ligo, eixame mia synedriash ths Epitrophs ths Boylhs gia thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Gnwrizete poly kala, opws eipe kai o proedreywn k. Tragakhs, oti katopin aithmatos toy PASOK eixe symfwnhsei h kybernhtikh pleiochfia na syzhthqei to arqro ton Ianoyario. Akoloyqhse mia synedriash prin apo mia h dyo ebdomades, sthn opoia to PASOK zhthse na proxwrhsoyme sth diadikasia ayth to Dekembrio. Emeis symfwnhsame gia to kalo ths synaineshs kai ths eyryterhs dynaths synaineshs -opws exoyme pei- sto qema toy Syntagmatos. Den gnwrizw poy qa katalhjei h Epitroph. Diapistwnw oti yparxei mia diaforetikh apoch entos twn kolpwn toy PASOK. Qa prepei na apofasisoyn oi idioi. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayto poy endiaferei emas, einai na proxwrhsei h Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos me thn eyryterh dynath synainesh. Gi` ayto kai se o,ti afora thn kybernhtikh pleiochfia, opws eipe o k. Tragakhs prohgoymenws, h dikh mas apoch einai oti qa prepei na breqei koinos xronos gia na ginei h syzhthsh, koinos topos, na synennohqoyme dhladh metajy mas, gia to kalo ths Anaqewrhshs. Moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw mia epishmansh, paroti den synhqizw na sxoliazw se ayth thn aiqoysa ta legomena ths opoiadhpote synedriashs eite ths Olomeleias eite Epitrophs ths Boylhs: Na xarakthrisw ws aparadekth th dhlwsh ekproswpoy toy PASOK poy anaferqhke se mena proswpika ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo. Alla den einai h dhlwsh poy afora emena, afora dhmosiografoys. Gia mia akomh fora, enas boyleyths toy PASOK epitiqetai enantion dhmosiografoy, enantion ths dhmosiografias, pragma to opoio qewrw aparadekto.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Se poion anafereste;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa to maqete.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Afoy pisteyete oti exete th synainesh toy PASOK kai ara, na eikasw kai thn pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy, giati proxwrate me synoptikes diadikasies kai paramones twn Xristoygennwn sthn anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den yparxoyn synoptikes diadikasies sth Boylh. Sth Boylh yparxoyn diadikasies oi opoies akoloyqoyn ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs, edw kai kapoia xronia. Ara, loipon, h parathrhsh sas den me briskei symfwno, den exei sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Ekeino to opoio leme, einai oti qa prepei, me thn eyryterh dynath synainesh, na proxwrhsei h anaqewrhsh. H anaqewrhsh afora oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mexri prin apo merikes hmeres, eixame thn aisqhsh oti to PASOK htan ayto poy eixe zhthsei na anablhqei h syzhthsh kai na metateqei gia ton Ianoyario, an katalaba kala, kati sto opoio eixe speysei na symfwnhsei, an qymamai, o k. Tragakhs...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrxe epishmo aithma, eggrafws malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai twra dhladh, giati akomh den exw dieykrinisei sto myalo moy, meta apo aithma toy PASOK ephlqe ayth h symfwnia, na metateqei pali nwritera o xronos gia th syzhthsh gia to arqro 16;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An deite ta praktika ths Boylhs, qa diapistwsete oti se prohgoymenh synedriash zhthqhke na pame me th xronikh seira, me thn ariqmhtikh seira twn arqrwn, ara na ginei syzhthsh entos toy Dekembrioy. Se kaqe periptwsh, shmasia exei na breqei se ena meizon qema, opws einai to arqro 16, h megalyterh dynath synainesh gia thn kalyterh leitoyrgia twn Panepisthmiwn sto ejhs.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw eyqews, ean exoyn bash oi kathgories toy boyleyth toy PASOK, alla kai twn ypoloipwn boyleytwn toy PASOK, toy k. Mixalh Karximakh enantion toy Yfypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas k. Mixaloliakoy. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs kai an exoyn bash, telos pantwn, ola ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa ta dhmosieymata poy anaferontai se erwthsh boyleytwn toy PASOK. H erwthsh qa parei bebaiws apanthsh sth Boylh. Wstoso, qewrw oti einai shmantiko na ypomnhsw kai na epishmanw orismena qemata: Prwton, einai adiamfisbhthto gegonos oti ton Ianoyario toy 2001, o k. Mixaloliakos epese qyma epiqeshs, edexqh dolofonikh epiqesh. Deyteron, na ypenqymisw oti to 2002, to Prwtodikeio Peiraiws, apefanqh oti o traymatismos ofeiletai se tromokratikh energeia agnwstwn drastwn. Ws ek toytoy, symfwna me to nomo, o k. Mixaloliakos eklhqh na ejetastei apo toys armodioys, prokeimenoy na tyxei twn eyergethmatwn toy nomoy ws qyma tromokratikhs epiqeshs. Triton, o k. Mixaloliakos oydepote ekane xrhsh aytwn twn eyergethmatwn. Tetarton, o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, se prohgoymenes abasimes kataggelies, eixe xarakthrisei to xtyphma ws anandrh kai tromokratikh epiqesh kata toy boyleyth tote Basilh Mixaloliakoy, opws proekypte apo ta eyrhmata kai tis endeijeis kai ta synolika stoixeia poy epejergasthke tote, h Antitromokratikh Yphresia. Se synafh dhlwsh gia to xarakthrismo ths epiqeshs eixe probei kai o tote Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalhs Xrysoxoidhs. Pempton, h eyprepeia sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh toy koinoboyleytikoy feresqai, exei jeperastei apo aytoys oi opoioi ekanan, me th sygkekrimenh fraseologia malista, thn erwthsh poy ekanan. Sto koinoboyleytiko mas politeyma kaqenas dikaioytai, entos toy plaisioy ths Boylhs -poly perissotero oi boyleytes- na erwta. Alla den payei kapoios na ofeilei, apenanti se opoiondhpote allon boyleyth, se opoiodhpote polith, na xeirizetai ta qemata me eyprepeia. Edw nomizw oti yperebh kaqe orio, o h oi erwtwntes.

LEONTITSH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera, o Proedros twn ergazomenwn sth xwmaterh dhlwse oti teleiwnei h zwh ths, oti ta Xristoygenna den qa ginei h apokomidh twn skoypidiwn kai periegrace thn katastash me melana xrwmata. Ti sxediasmo exei h kybernhsh gia to epomeno diasthma, efoson kleinei h xwmaterh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero apo ta osa exoyn eipwqei, kata kairoys, apo toys armodioys. Kai egw exw erwthqei palaiotera se ayth thn aiqoysa. Den exw na pw kati perissotero, ayth th stigmh. Mporw na enhmerwqw kai an yparxei kati kainoyrgio, na sas apanthsw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, telika Gallia, Germania taxqhkan se 18mhnh anastolh twn entajiakwn ths Toyrkias kai na epanaektimhqei meta apo ayto to diasthma. O Toyrkos Prwqypoyrgos milhse gia istoriko laqos ean symbei kati tetoio. H k. Mpakogiannh, xqes, eipe oti qa prepei na doqei ena kaqaro mhnyma sthn Toyrkia. Exw mplejei. Mporeite na me jemplejete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas epanalabw, opws sas apanthsa kai xqes, oti yparxoyn dhlwseis dhmosiws kai ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Ekana mia mikrh paroysiash aytwn twn dhlwsewn. Den qa pw shmera tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Ean isxyei h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia 18mhno xronodiagramma symmorfwshs ths Toyrkias kai ean h qesh ths k. Mpakogiannh gia na yparjei eniaia stash ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs odhghsei thn kybernhsh sto minimum, sthn apodoxh oysiastika ths protashs ths Komision h toy gallogermanikoy ajona, dhladh sth mh epibolh kyrwsewn sthn Toyrkia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn kyrwsewn kai synakoloyqa gia to erwthma poy moy qetete shmera, ekana xqes sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. Den qa pw tipote perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Sto qema toy k. Mixaloliakoy, kat` arxhn yparxei -ean alhqeyei to dhmosieyma, einai apo to BHMA- aporrhth ekqesh ths EL.AS., poy mila gia kyklwmata ths nyxtas poy toy epiteqhkan. Kai ena deytero: Yparxei mia ekqesh ths anwtaths Ygeionomikhs Epitrophs toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Stratoy, h opoia anaferei oti o k. Mixaloliakos pasxei apo cyxikh agxwdh syndromh, h opoia proklhqhke apo thn ekrhjh ekeinh. Dhmioyrgeitai ena erwthma. Etsi den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti erwthma dhmioyrgeitai sth dikh sas skech. Ta shmeia poy anafera prohgoymenws, ena pros ena, pisteyw oti dinoyn apolytws thn apanthsh. Eipa oti qa yparjei apanthsh kai sth Boylh bebaiws, opws ofeilei na dwsei kapoios apanthsh kai sth Boylh, afoy yparxei erwthma. Epishs ekrina to yfos kai to hqos toy keimenoy ths erwthshs.

GKOYTZANHS: Basika eyxomaste oloi na exei ginei kala o anqrwpos, na mhn exei tipota. Alla, ean pasxei akomh apo agxwdh syndromh, yparxei ena zhthma se sxesh me thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw apanthsei. Den yparxei kanena zhthma sxetika me thn askhsh twn kaqhkontwn toy Yfypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas k. Mixaloliakoy. Opws sas eipa, h erwthsh -kai to yfos ths erwthshs- exei jeperasei ta oria ths koinoboyleytikhs eyprepeias.

LEONTITSH: O k. Karpoyzas, boyleyths Pierias, eipe kapoia stigmh oti h Boylh exei katalhfqei apo dhmosiografoys, aqlhtes, kallitexnes, gi` ayto exei ftasei se ayto to xali poy exei ftasei. O k. Kwnstantaras, xqes, epishmws me anakoinwsh toy milhse gia aprepeia kai zhthse apo ton k. Karpoyza na zhthsei o idios dhmosiws sygnwmh. Tiqetai qema gia ton k. Karpoyza;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh toy synadelfoy boyleyth. Den mporw na kanw kamia topoqethsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwna me to reportaz, to PASOK feretai na exei apofasisei na zhthsei th systash ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. H kybernhsh eixe pei oti meta thn ereyna ths ypoqeshs apo th Dikaiosynh endexomenws na apodexotan ena tetoio aithma. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, poia qa einai h stash ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipote perissotero, giati h idia erwthsh egine kai prin apo 20 hmeres h ena mhna. Exw apanthsei polles fores sto erwthma ayto. Den exei allajei tipota apo tote. Mporeite na anatrejete stis dhlwseis, poy isxyoyn apolytws.

MANH: Mexri stigmh, to Symboylio ths Epikrateias exei eishghqei yper ths akyrwshs oktw proagwgwn dieyqyntikwn stelexwn sto Dhmosio, logw problhmatwn sth diadikasia ths proforikhs synenteyjhs. Einai sygkekrimenes oi yphresies poy anaferomai. O ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, xqes, kataqetontas sth Boylh to dhmosioypallhliko kwdika, enetaje aifnidiws kai mia ryqmish poy parateinei th qhteia twn dieyqyntikwn stelexwn mexri to 2008, akomh ki an stadiaka apo twra, dhladh mexri to telos toy 2007, oloklhrwnetai h qhteia toys kai eprepe na mpoyn se nea fash epanakrishs.

Ta erwthmata einai dyo. To ena einai, gia poio logo, efoson prohghqhke enas terastios dialogos me thn ADEDY gi` ayto to keimeno, thn wra poy to fernei sth Boylh bazei kai ayth thn aifnidiastikh ryqmish kai deyteron kai oysiastikotero, efoson yparxoyn apodedeigmena problhmata me ayth th diadikasia, giati parateinetai h qhteia toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn anafora sto StE, gnwrizete oti den kanw pote kriseis gia to StE h alla dikasthria h dikastikes apofaseis. Se o,ti afora thn oysia toy qematos, o k. Paylopoylos exei dwsei analytikh apanthsh, xqes, sth Boylh. Egw qa sas pw en perilhcei oti oloi qeloyn thn amesh efarmogh ths ajiologhshs. Kai gia na th qeloyn -kai milw gia ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, toylaxiston gia to komma ths meizonos antipoliteyshs- shmainei oti symfwnoyn me ta krithria. O logos gia ton opoio mphke h metabatikh diatajh einai dioti me to neo systhma krisewn prepei na etoimastoyn apo tis yphresies ola ekeina ta stoixeia ajiologhshs toy kaqenos ypallhloy xwrista, poy shmainei oti xreiazetai mia diadikasia eji ews oktw mhnwn. Anti loipon na oristei o Aygoystos h o Septembrios, oristhke ws hmeromhnia enarjhs h 1/1/2008. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti epi ths oysias den yparxei kamia diafwnia se o,ti afora thn ajiologhsh. Ayth h metabatikh diatajh egine mono kai mono gia na prolaboyn oi yphresies na einai etoimes sthn proetoimasia twn fakelwn twn ypallhlwn, twn dieyqyntwn gia thn krish.

XIWTHS: Prin apo treis mhnes shmainonta stelexh toy kommatos sas ejefrazan thn ikanopoihsh toys gia thn apofash ths Dikaiosynhs na profylakistoyn ta tria stelexh poy eixan emplakei sthn ypoqesh MEBGAL. Qymamai malista th frash ``an eidame tis xeiropedes'' kai ola ayta. Qelw na moy peite, ean sas apogohteyei h apofash na apofylakistoyn dyo apo ta tria stelexh. Ekana ayto to makry prologo gia na apofygw to sxolio sas oti den sxoliazete apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den qa to apofygete, giati molis twra anaferqhka se ayto. Opws antilambaneste, eimai Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs, oxi toy anakrith, toy eisaggelea. Kai bebaiws den sxoliazw apofaseis anakritwn, eisaggelewn h dikastikwn organwn.

XIWTHS: To lew, giati eixate sxoliasei thn apofash na profylakistoyn. Ara, twra poy exoyn thn apofylakish, endexomenws ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti qa breite dhlwsh na sxoliazei thn apofash na profylakistoyn.

XIWTHS: ``Tis xeiropedes tis eidate'' toy k. Zagorith, ti htan; Den htan ena epidokimatiko sxolio ths apofashs gia thn profylakish twn triwn aytwn anqrwpwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kamia periptwsh den htan dikastikh krish, h opoia dhlwsh toy opoioy stelexoys toy kybernwntos kommatos.

XIWTHS: Sxolio htan. Alla sxolio sth dikastikh apofash.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den htan, se kamia periptwsh, dikastikh krish.

XIWTHS: Den sas zhtw dikastikh krish. Sas zhtw politiko sxolio epi ths ejelijhs ayths, me dedomeno to dedikasmeno poy ta idia sas ta stelexh dhmioyrghsan epixairontas gia thn profylakish toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora sas me ta epiqeta poy xrhsimopoihsate den me briskei symfwno. Isxyei ayto to opoio polles fores exw pei se ayth thn aiqoysa -kai to exoyme kanei prajh- oti den sxoliazw tis apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, egw den zhtw na sxoliasete thn apofash ths Dikaiosynhs. Wstoso, omws, dhmioyrgeitai mia entypwsh poy exei na kanei me thn politikh atmosfaira. Dhladh, akoysthkan hdh epikritikes fwnes oti ayth h prowrh apofylakish twn sygkekrimenwn anqrwpwn synista orismo ths sygkalychs. Ep` ayths ths krishs, dhladh, qa hqela na topoqethqeite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete hdh kanei dyo kriseis sthn erwthsh sas poy aforoyn th Dikaiosynh. Den eiste oyte eseis dikasths, oyte egw. Kata synepeia, as afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh anejarthth na xeiristei ta qemata.

KAKALHS: Tis xeiropedes tis eidame, opws kai to jekleidwma toys. Ayto poy den exoyme dei akoma einai to politiko stigma ayths ths ypoqeshs. An dhladh yparxei kartel sto gala. Akoma na apofanqei eite h Epitroph Antagwnismoy, poly perissotero h kybernhsh, h opoia apo thn arxh, mallon, fanhke na symfwnei oti yparxoyn kartel.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fanhke na symfwnei oti;

KAKALHS: Fanhke na symfwnei me th qesh toy SEB oti den yparxoyn kartel.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh, dhladh o armodios Ypoyrgos einai ekeinos o opoios, otan hrqan oi plhrofories sta xeria toy, esteile thn ypoqesh sthn Epitroph Antagwnismoy. Dhladh, h kybernhsh xeiristhke apo thn prwth stigmh me apolytws diafanh kai nomimo tropo olh ayth thn istoria.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dedomenoy oti oi plhrofories anaferoyn oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs eixe proteinei xqes sthn kybernhtikh epitroph na paei ena meros twn esodwn apo tis klhseis stoys astynomikoys, ws epidoma astynomeyshs. Qelw na rwthsw pws antimetwpizei ayth thn protash h kybernhsh se sxesh me ta esoda poy qa proerqoyn apo ta nea ychla prostima.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xqes, egine mia syzhthsh epi nomosxedioy gia to neo Kwdika Odikhs Kykloforias poy eishgeitai to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn. H syzhthsh qa ginei sth Boylh. Qelw na epishmanw, opws eipa kai xqes, oti den milame gia enan aplo kanonismo, enan mono nomo -xwris na shmainei oti o nomos ypotimatai ws aytajia- alla milame gia tis zwes twn Ellhnwn politwn poy xanontai kata xiliades, dystyxws, stoys dromoys kaqe xrono. Se ayto to nomosxedio, h kybernhsh qa epidiwjei th megalyterh dynath synainesh, opws to exei kanei kai se polla alla. Eidika se ayto, h syzhthsh einai anoixth. Oi protaseis apo thn antipoliteysh qa lhfqoyn sobara ypoch apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo, opws kai o idios dhlwse xqes dhmosiws kai bebaiws to dhlwse kai sthn kybernhtikh epitroph. Kata synepeia, qa perimenoyme th syzhthsh sthn armodia epitroph kai sthn olomeleia.

SPYRAKH: Sas rwthsa kati poly sygkekrimeno. An antimetwpizete qetika h arnhtika to endexomeno na epidotoyntai me epidoma astynomeyshs oi astynomikoi mesw twn esodwn apo tis klhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa, epishs kati poly sygkekrimeno: Yparxei ena grapto keimeno nomoy to opoio eishgeitai h kybernhsh sth Boylh. Ep` aytoy toy keimenoy, efoson ginoyn protaseis, akoma kai pros thn kateyqynsh poy lete, qa syzhthqoyn sth Boylh kai qa epidiwjoyme na yparjei symfwnia olwn twn kommatwn. Kyriws giati, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, den einai ena qema poy afora mono to PASOK h th Nea Dhmokratia h ton SYN h to KKE. Einai ena qema poy afora tis zwes twn Ellhnwn politwn poy xanontai kaqe xrono stoys dromoys.

SIDERHS: Akoyga polloys sygkoinwniologoys to prwi se diafora radiofwna na qewroyn asteia ayta ta metra. Giati ekeino poy proexei den einai to ycos twn prostimwn, an qa plhrwseis gia mia parabash ena misqo, alla oti den yparxei oytws h allws astynomeysh kai oti me mikrotera prostima, an yphrxe astynomeysh, qa apofeygontan ta dystyxhmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti epi enos qematos yparxoyn polles apoceis. H diadikasia thn opoia akoloyqhse to Ypoyrgeio Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn, opws eixa thn eykairia na sas pw xqes, htan h diadikasia syzhthshs metajy pollwn forewn, metajy pollwn eidikwn, ara kai sygkoinwniologwn. Akoloyqhse anoixtos dialogos. Eteqh dhladh to nomosxedio se dhmosia diaboyleysh kai eftase sth shmerinh toy morfh me thn opoia katatiqetai sth Boylh. Efoson syzhthqoyn sth Boylh diaforetikes apoceis, gia tis opoies o armodios Ypoyrgos dei oti exoyn thn eyryterh synainesh, eimai bebaios, opws eipa kai prin, oti qa tis entajei sto nomosxedio. Se o,ti afora ton xarakthrismo, qa moy epitrecete na mh sxoliasw. Sebomai th gnwsh kaqe epaiontos, arkei kai aytoi na sebontai th gnwsh allwn epaiontwn, giati akomh kai stoys idioys xwroys, opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn polles kai diaforetikes apoceis.

SIDERHS: Bebaia. Apla enhmerwtika, o proedros twn Ellhnwn sygkoinwniologwn eipe oti den ekklhqhsan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa kai pali oti meteixan sygkoinwniologoi, opws meteixan eidikoi apo diaforetikes kathgories kaqws kai ekproswpoi pollwn swmateiwn.

SPYRAKH: Logw toy oti, opws lete, einai anoixto to qema me thn ennoia oti qa yparjoyn allages kai tropopoihseis toy nomosxedioy, an antimetwpizete to endexomeno kai ths meiwshs twn prostimwn poy problepei to nomosxedio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson h pleiochfia ths Boylhs proteinei kai symfwnhsei se kati tetoio, einai kai ayto ena apo ta qemata ta opoia tiqentai sto dialogo entos ths Boylhs. Antilambanomai oti mporei ayto na projenei orismenes apories. Einai omws, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, mia eidikh periptwsh gia thn opoia kalo qa htan na symfwnhsoyn ola ta koinoboyleytika kommata, ws pros thn telikh diatypwsh eite twn prostimwn eite allwn stoixeiwn toy nomosxedioy.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn limaniwn sto opoio bebaia exete anaferqei idiaitera tis teleytaies hmeres qa hqela na rwthsw: Aytos o dialogos, prokeimenoy na breqei mia lysh, poso mporei na krathsei; Kai en ocei twn giortwn poy parathroyntai shmantika problhmata se kapoia eidh sthn agora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa thn eykairia xqes na kanw mia anafora se ena sygkekrimeno qema. Qa sas pw oti ta shmantika problhmata ta opoia epikaleiste, den parathroyntai ws shmantika problhmata. Kai o armodios Yfypoyrgos k. Papaqanasioy ekane sygkekrimenes dhlwseis xqes, me poly sygkekrimena stoixeia. Ena ej` aytwn einai oti to 17% twn proiontwn ths synolikhs agoras diakineitai apo ta limania kai to ypoloipo, dhladh to 83% diakineitai apo alles arthries, kyriws odikes h aerometafores. Kata synepeia den exw na symplhrwsw kati perissotero epi twn elleicewn poy anaferate. Se o,ti afora to dialogo, h kybernhsh exei apodeijei kai qa to apodeijei gia mia akomh fora -den to kanei gia na to apodeijei aplws, alla to kanei giati to ennoei- oti syzhtoyme me oloys toys endiaferomenoys foreis. Syzhtoyme me toys ergazomenoys toys opoioys prospaqoyme kai na peisoyme oti den qigontai sto elaxisto ta dikaiwmata toys, ta opoia dikaiwmata katoxyrwnontai allwste apo thn ellhnikh nomoqesia epi seira etwn.

PAPAHLIOPOYLOS: Xroniko periqwrio yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei megalo xroniko periqwrio. O k. Kefalogiannhs arxika eixe milhsei, prin apo 20 - 25 meres, otan jekinhse ayth h istoria, gia ena trimhno. Nomizw oti einai arketa megalo to xroniko periqwrio gia na mporesoyn na breqoyn koinoi dromoi. Na peistoyn, na katanohsoyn oi ergazomenoi sto limani toy Peiraia oti oi proqeseis ths kybernhshs den exoyn tipota perissotero h tipota ligotero apo ayto poy diatypwqhke kai apo ton k. Kefalogiannh apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs se antistoixh syzhthsh, alla kai apo emena aytes tis meres edw.

SIDERHS: Enhmerwtika, an jerete, an sas eipe o armodios Ypoyrgos, an me thn allagh toy KOK yparxei kai allagh sxedioy prolhchs twn atyxhmatwn kai twn parabasewn. Dhladh, an apo monos toy o kwdikas apotelei to pedio sto opoio qa kinhqei to armodio Ypoyrgeio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete to keimeno toy nomoy -einai kai mia symplhrwsh sthn apanthsh poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws- h ypoqesh ths prolhchs den antimetwpizetai mono me prostima wste na leitoyrghsoyn ws fobhtro. Gia paradeigma yparxoyn prostima ta opoia apaleifontai. Qymaste oti epi seira etwn, ean allaze kapoios to xrwma toy aytokinhtoy eprepe na to dhlwsei kai an den to dhlwne eixe ena prostimo. Ayto den qewreitai oti ephreazei thn odikh asfaleia kai kata synepeia einai ena apo ta mikrotera h megalytera qemata ta opoia antimetwpizei me realismo h nea nomoqesia.

SIDERHS: An kai den aptetai twn dikwn sas armodiothtwn, sas rwthsa giati prin apo 3-4 xronia, ena apo ta armodia aytokinhtistika periodika, dhmosieyse ton xarth ths Elladas kai me kokkines koykides ta merh poy th sthnoyn oi astynomoi gia na kocoyn klhseis. Kai leei oti den to kanoyn gia na doyn oi odhgoi, na profylassontai, alla gia na katalabei h Troxaia oti prepei na allajei qesh, epeidh jeroyn oi odhgoi ta shmeia, ekei stamatoyn h pane siga kai meta epitaxynoyn. Apo osa merh exw perasei kai eixan tsekaristei me kokkinh koykida, ekei pali th sthnoyn meta apo 3-4 xronia oi astynomikoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai bebaio oti exei prosteqei, gia paradeigma, megalyterh astynomeysh kai sto petalo toy Maliakoy. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn prosteqei kai kameres. Yparxoyn pantote prolhptika metra ta opoia isxyoyn se olo ton politismeno kosmo. Dystyxws, emeis exoyme mia prwtia poly asxhmh. Kai an deite toys deiktes, toys pinakes ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs qa diapistwsete oti eimaste poly makran prwtoi se ayth thn arnhtikh prwtia sta dystyxhmata. H prospaqeia sigoyra xreiazetai thn enisxysh apo thn pleyra ths Astynomias h opoia kanei o,ti einai dynato. Ta mesa ta opoia diaqetei h Astynomia kai h Troxaia Eqnikwn Odwn genikotera se olh thn Ellada, einai periorismenoy ariqmoy. Den mporei na einai xiliades ta peripolika h oi astynomikoi poy qa astynomeyoyn toys dromoys. Xreiazetai mia prospaqeia eyaisqhtopoihshs ths koinhs gnwmhs, eyaisqhtopoihshs twn odhgwn wste na mporoyn na katanohsoyn kai oi idioi kai na dwsoyn kai stoys synepibates toys na katanohsoyn thn anagkh lhchs orismenwn metrwn. Gia paradeigma h ypoqesh ths zwnhs asfaleias h toy kranoys toy motosikletisth einai toso poly symfyta me thn enhmerwsh epi seira etwn se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai th dikh mas, fobamai omws oti sth dikh mas xwra den exei ginei akomh h megalh anatroph sth nootropia. Ekei, loipon, xreiazontai kapoioy eidoys metra. Den qelw na mpw se leptomereies. Exete diabasei to nomosxedio toy armodioy Ypoyrgeioy, kai exoyn rwthsei polloi dhmosiografoi poy kalyptoyn to reportaz.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pisteyete oti me ton diplasiasmo twn prostimwn qa meiwqoyn ta atyxhmata; Ayto pisteyei h kybernhsh h to ekane gia eispraktikoys logoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas diabebaiw oti oson afora to deytero den yparxei kamia tetoia logikh. Qelw na ypenqymisw oti anaprosarmogh twn prostimwn exei na ginei apo to 1999. Einai h prwth fora meta apo 7 xronia poy ginetai anaprosarmogh. Kai ayto einai mia logikh alla den einai ayth h apofash, den elhfqh h apofash epi th basei toy oti eixame 7 xronia na anaprosarmosoyme ta prostima, ara as ta anaprosarmosoyme gia na ayjhqei to esodo. Ayto einai to ligotero. Giati ta ejoda ths kaqe Politeias poy exei para polla troxaia kai qymata, einai poly shmantikotera. Kai den milw me oikonomikoys oroys mono. Milw me koinwnikoys oroys.

KAKALHS: H filosofia toy KOK arxizei kai teleiwnei sto zhthma twn odhgwn. Dhladh tipote allo ejw apo ayto den yparxei, oyte oi dromoi poy einai aqlioi, oyte o tropos poy aponemontai ta diplwmata odhghshs, oyte tipote allo. Dhladh den katalabainw, ta ypoloipa pws ta antimetwpizei h kybernhsh; Gia paradeigma dhladh den yparxei problhma me toys dromoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete to nomo, qa deite oti anaferontai kai ta dyo qemata: Kai to qema ths ekpaideyshs twn odhgwn ekpaideytwn kai to qema twn diplwmatwn kai ths diadikasias gia na parei kapoios diplwma. Sto qema twn dromwn, exei ginei prospaqeia ta teleytaia xronia - kai ginetai akomh megalyterh prospaqeia  prokeimenoy na beltiwqoyn oi synqhkes poy exoyme stoys odikoys mas ajones. Ta perissotera atyxhmata  kai to lew ayto apo th xqesinh syzhthsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, opoy mas enhmerwse o armodios Ypoyrgos  ginontai pia se perifereiakoys dromoys. Oxi se megaloys odikoys ajones, se dromoys oi opoioi exoyn mikro platos, sxediasmenoi apo to parelqon. Epishs, qelw na pw oti h eyqynh den anaferetai mono ston odhgo. Gia paradeigma, h eyqynh toy ean o synodhgos den foroyse zwnh asfaleias, epibaryne mexri twra ton odhgo, o opoios kai epibarynotan me kapoia moria sto legomeno point system. H eyqynh twra epibarynei atomika ton epibath - synodhgo poy den foraei, opws ypoxreoytai apo to nomo, zwnh asfaleias. Den ftaiei se tipota o odhgos taji wste na toy katebasei kaneis ta moria ta opoia exei h na toy prosqesei arnhtika moria sto diplwma toy, ean o synepibaths den qelei na foresei th zwnh. Wstoso, ginetai mia prospaqeia na peistei kai o men kai o de oti o kaqenas exei th dikh toy eyqynh. Dhladh, opws symbainei sth Germania: O odhgos toy taji den jekinaei to taji toy ean o synodhgos den foraei th zwnh efoson kaqetai mprosta. Qa yparxei loipon eyqynh kai sto synodhgo kai ston synepibath pleon.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh eipate oti ginetai prospaqeia na beltiwqoyn kai oi synqhkes stoys dromoys. Fysika periorismenh dynatothta yparxei na beltiwqoyn oi dromoi. Yparxoyn xiliades xiliometra sthn eparxia. Alla, yparxoyn kai kapoia kommatia twn eqnikwn odwn, ths PAQE gia paradeigma to kommati apo thn Korinqo mexri ton Pyrgo sto opoio, an den apatwmai, den exei paradoqei oyte ena kainoyrgio metro dromoy kai apo oti fainetai den qa paradoqei kai entos ths 4etias. Kapoia analoga pali sthn PAQE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Memonwmena kapoia shmeia qa mporoysan na exoyn, opws exw pei kai allh fora, xilia dikia. Den eimai se qesh na apanthsw sygkekrimena gia to sygkekrimeno kommati dromoy, alla gnwrizete poly kala oti h prospaqeia kai ayths ths kybernhshs einai poly shmantikh gia na oloklhrwqoyn, oso pio grhgora ginetai, tmhmata toy odikoy ajona poy exoyn problhma. To petalo toy Maliakoy einai ena qema sto opoio jerete poly kala oti o Ypoyrgos PEXWDE k. Soyflias exei dwsei idiaiterh barythta kai exoyn proxwrhsei para poly ta erga poy ginontai ekei. Eixe paei sthn Egnatia prin apo dyo mhnes peripoy, me synadelfoys sas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy Ypoyrgeioy Periballontos Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn. Epi dyo h treis hmeres eixan thn eykairia na doyn ola ta erga kai malista ta dyskola erga ta opoia den eixan jekinhsei prin apo to 2004 - opws einai oi megales koiladogefyres, oi shragges - eidan na exoyn jekinhsei kai na briskontai se ena poly kalo stadio. H prospaqeia poy exei ginei sto tmhma toy odikoy diktyoy einai para poly megalh. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti se megala erga, opws eipe prosfata o k. Soyflias kai to epanelaba kai egw edw, exoyn diateqei se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma poly perissotera kondylia, apo oti ta teleytaia eji h oktw xronia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qa rwthsw sxetika me ton OTE. Exei anakoinwqei apo thn kybernhsh kai exei eipwqei kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo oti yparxei mia skech, oxi skech, proqesh ekxwrhshs kai toy manatzment mazi me thn pwlhsh paketoy metoxwn. Yparxoyn kapoies plhrofories poy lene oti ayth h proqesh paei pisw, anastelletai kai malista xqes sthn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy se melh ths epixeirhmatikhs koinothtas akoysame mia anafora gia ton OTE, alla den yphrxe kamia anafora gia thn ekxwrhsh toy manatzment.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos stis omilies toy den anaferetai pantote me leptomereies se ola ta qemata. Oi apoceis ths kybernhshs topoqetoyntai ws genikoi ajones se kapoia oikonomikh omilia, eite einai programmatikes desmeyseis, eite sthn poreia exoyn analhfqei dhmosiws. Pisteyw oti den exei allajei kati se sxesh me ta osa exoyn eipwqei mexri twra.

MELIGKWNHS: O Epitropos k. Makribi apantwntas se erwthsh toy eyrwboyleyth Dhmhtrh Papadhmoylh, tonise kathgorhmatika oti den mporoyn na diasfalistoyn ta eqnika zwtika symferonta me th symfwnia metoxwn gia to qema toy OTE. To sxolio ths kybernhshs poio einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw thn apanthsh thn opoia moy lete. Kata synepeia den qa sxoliasw.

XIWTHS: Qa hqela dyo dieykriniseis sxetika me to problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei sta limania. Katarxhn h kybernhsh epimenei sto xronodiagramma toy trimhnoy poy arxika eixe qesei; Giati apo oti exw katalabei o Ypoyrgos to eixe proteinei sthn enarjh toy dialogoy kai sth synexeia apesyre thn protash toy epeidh den eide na proxwraei h diadikasia dialogoy. Ara h kybernhsh shmera epanaferei ayth thn protash toy dimhnoy, trimhnoy h ejamhnoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei parelqei sxedon enas mhnas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla to problhma paramenei. Kai epeidh fantazomai oti h kybernhsh perissotero apo kaqe allon qa hqele thn ektonwsh ayths ths krishs, anarwtiemai ean einai proqymh na epanaferei thn protash ths gia pagwma twn diadikasiwn mexri ena shmeio gia na mporesei na synexistei pio hrema o dialogos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh einai bebaio oti qelei ena plaisio synennohshs me oloys toys koinwnikoys foreis h tis koinwnikes omades, eite einai poly megales, eite einai poly mikres  ariqmhtika milw  asxetws ths epirrohs poy mporei na exoyn sto synolo ths koinwnias kai einai kati to opoio exei kanei prajh. Exei parelqei sxedon enas mhnas apo tote poy jekinhse ayth h istoria. Exoyn ginei kapoies synanthseis toy Ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias. Nomizw de oti shmera qa exei akomh mia synanthsh me toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn ston Organismo Limenos Peiraiws. H kybernhsh, se kaqe periptwsh, einai diateqeimenh na dwsei ekeino to xroniko diasthma to opoio den parapempei to qema stis kalendes, alla dinei th dynatothta stoys ergazomenoys ston OLP na katanohsoyn poia einai h safhs proqesh ths kybernhshs. Me bash ayth th safh proqesh polla qa symboyn, alla toylaxiston dyo tina einai ta pio shmantika: To ena poy apasxolei toys ergazomenoys einai oti den qigetai h doyleia toys, den qigontai ta dikaiwmata ta opoia exoyn katoxyrwsei epi seira etwn kai me sygkekrimenh ergatikh nomoqesia apo to geniko kanonismo proswpikoy toy OLP. To deytero oti den einai dynaton na afhsei h shmerinh kybernhsh mia terastia eykairia, poy dieqnws dhmioyrgeitai, gia anabaqmish toy limanioy toy Peiraia, etsi wste na mporei na dexetai perissotera emporeymatokibwtia, na dexetai dhladh megalytero ogko proiontwn. Kai kata synepeia na exei megalytera esoda afenos h eqnikh oikonomia, alla kai na enisxyetai gewstrathgika to limani toy Peiraia ws pylh ths Anatolhs pros th Dysh. Ayto loipon einai ejisoy safes opws einai safes kai to prwto. Me olh thn kalh qelhsh  ayto exei ejhghqei hdh mia fora kai qa ejhghqei kai pali kai pali stoys ergazomenoys  exei bebaiws kapoio xroniko periqwrio. Den qa trabhjei para poly ayto.

XIWTHS: Poso einai ayto to xroniko periqwrio poy proteinei h kybernhsh etsi wste na diejaxqei o dialogos, alla na mhn parapemfqei to zhthma stis kalendes opws eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti den mporei na einai panw apo ena, dyo h treis mhnes to argotero.

XIWTHS: To perissotero treis mhnes einai. Pws qa proteinei h kybernhsh apo shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Exei hdh proteinei treis mhnes edw kai ena mhna.

XIWTHS: Den katalaba kala apo tis dhlwseis toy Ypoyrgoy, an h kybernhsh qewrei toys ergazomenoys sta limania pronomioyxoys poy apolambanoyn yperbolika pronomia h an aplws toys qewrei kaloplhrwmenoys epeidh askoyn mia baria kai anqygieinh ergasia. Ti apo ta dyo qewrei h kybernhsh oti isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa pw tipota perissotero, shmera, gia to qema.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema twn eyrwtoyrkikwn. H kybernhsh apo poia afethria jekinaei tis diaboyleyseis ths sta koinotika organa to epomeno diasthma; Dhladh exei skopo na dwsei kapoia maxh gia to dikio ths Kyproy h paei me thn proqesh na ta brei me thn kyriarxh qesh poy epikratei shmera sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. As poyme gia to xronodiagramma twn 18 mhnwn h kybernhsh qa epimeinei mexri teloys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa kanw mono dyo anafores. H mia einai oti sas eipa kai xqes, oti dhladh, briskomaste se ena lepto stadio diaboyleysewn kai diapragmateysewn kai ej aytoy toy logoy den qelw na kanw kanena peraiterw sxolio apo osa exoyn ginei. H deyterh parathrhsh me aformh ena shmeio ths erwthshs sas: Bebaiws h kybernhsh pantote eixe, exei kai qa exei skopo - opws ekane kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh se ayto  na symmetexei sth diekdikhsh toy dikaioy ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias. Ayto den tiqetai ypo amfisbhthsh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei taytish apocewn stoys xeirismoys metajy ellhnikhs kai kypriakhs kybernhsews se ola ayta poy symbainoyn ayth th stigmh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei diarkhs synergasia kai ayto to gnwrizete. Se kaqe fash twn diapragmateysewn h synergasia einai oxi aplws diarkhs, kati parapanw apo monimh kai entonh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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