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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 15 Noembrioy 2006

Ariqmos Deltioy: 41067019

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 15 Noembrioy 2006

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.00, qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo kai stis 11.00' qa exei synergasia me ton Geniko Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Leyterh Zagorith.

" O Prwqypoyrgos xqes elabe thn akoloyqh epistolh apo ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Xose Manoyel Mparoso:

``Agaphte Prwqypoyrge, agaphte moy Kwsta, syzhthsame ton Ioynio sxetika me to ryqmo aporrofhshs apo thn Ellada twn xrhmatodothsewn ths eyrwpaikhs perifereiakhs politikhs sto plaisio toy G' Koinotikoy Plaisioy Sthrijhs kai to aithma ths Elladas gia paratash kata ena xrono ths proqesmias efarmoghs toy mexri to 2008. Ejhghsa toys logoys, gia toys opoioys h Epitroph den qa mporoyse na efarmosei mia tetoia paratash, alla apo thn allh, symfwnhsame oti h Epitroph qa ejetaze me thn kybernhsh soy enallaktika mesa epitaxynshs ths aporrofhshs twn koinotikwn xrhmatodothsewn, symperilambanomenhs mias tropopoihshs twn epipedwn sygxrhmatodothshs. Stis 10 Ioylioy, h Epitropos Ntanoyta Xoympner kai o Ypoyrgos Giwrgos Alogoskoyfhs symfwnhsan epi enos plaisioy metrwn poy qa epetrepan sthn Ellada na epitaxynei thn aporrofhsh twn koinotikwn xrhmatodothsewn. En synexeia, ta stoixeia toy plaisioy syzhthqhkan metajy twn yphresiwn ths kybernhshs soy kai ths Epitrophs. Ayto mas odhgei sthn akoloyqh protash.

-H Epitroph qa symfwnhsei se anaqewrhseis twn ellhnikwn programmatwn sto plaisio toy G'KPS, etsi wste h Ellada na mporesei na eisagagei enan ariqmo newn programmatwn, ektimwmenhs ajias 0,5 dis eyrw ws pros thn koinotikh syndromh.

-H Epitroph qa symfwnhsei na dexqei gia sygxrhmatodothsh ellhnikes dapanes gia peripoy 180 programmata, ta opoia den qa exoyn oloklhrwqei mexri to telos toy 2008. H oristikh lista aytwn twn programmatwn exei katartistei apo tis yphresies ths kybernhshs soy kai ths Epitrophs. To poso twn dapanwn poy me ton tropo ayto epitrepetai na dhlwqei apo thn Ellada ypologizetai se 1 dis eyrw ws pros thn koinotikh syndromh. H Epitroph proteinei na apallajei thn Ellada apo th sygxrhmatodothsh ths doshs toy 2006 sto G'KPS, epitrepontas ychlotera epipeda sygxrhmatodothshs apo ta mexri shmera se baqmo symbato me tis katastatikes orofes se sygkekrimena eidh programmatwn. Ayto ypologizetai oti qa exei mia eyergetikh epiptwsh ston eqniko proypologismo ths Elladas ths tajhs toy 1,7 dis eyrw kai synepagetai ena oikonomiko ofelos gia thn Ellada toy 1,2 dis eyrw ws pros thn koinotikh syndromh. Kaqws qa exei ws apotelesma mia synolikh meiwsh ths diaqesimhs xrhmatodothshs, oi yphresies ths kybernhshs soy kai ths Epitrophs exoyn katartisei mia lista programmatwn poy qa ejaireqoyn apo to G'KPS.

Proteinw oi leptomereies toy parapanw paketoy, to opoio exei symfwnhqei apo tis yphresies mas, na enswmatwqoyn se ena metajy mas mnhmonio katanohshs, symfwnws pros to aithma gia tropopoihsh toy ellhnikoy G'KPS, to opoio exei ypoblhqei stis 10 Noembrioy apo tis yphresies ths kybernhshs soy gia na egkriqei apo thn Epitroph stis arxes Dekembrioy.

Ta problepomena metra qa apoferoyn ena synoliko ofelos sthn Ellada ths tajhs twn 2,7 dis eyrw ws pros thn koinotikh syndromh, to opoio se genikes grammes einai isodynamo me enan epipleon xrono efarmoghs gia to G'KPS. Qa syneisferoyn, epishs, se taxyterh aporrofhsh sta enapomeinanta xronia mexri to telos toy 2008.

Epitrece moy, se ayto to plaisio, na xairetisw thn apofash soy na oriseis mia diypoyrgikh syntonistikh omada gia to G' K.P.S. Eimai pepeismenos oti oi koines mas prospaqeies apoteloyn ton katallhlo tropo gia thn antimetwpish toy zhthmatos ths aporrofhshs poy syzhthsame ton Ioynio kai gia thn epiteyjh toy koinoy mas stoxoy gia th diasfalish ths kalyterhs dynaths ajiopoihshs twn koinotikwn xrhmatodothsewn sthn Ellada. Eilikrinws Xose Manoyel Mparoso''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas:

XIWTHS: An katalaba kala apo thn epistolh poy molis diabasate, qa perikopoyn kapoia erga poy eixan symfwnhqei na sygxrhmatodothqoyn apo ton eqniko proypologismo kai apo koinotika kondylia, alla apo thn allh pleyra o kratikos proypologismos qa dhmioyrghsei ena pleonasma peripoy 1,7 dis eyrw. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai prwton, ta erga poy qa perikopoyn an qa einai erga ths perifereias h erga astikwn kentrwn kai deyteron, poy qa diaqesei h kybernhsh to pleonasma ayto toy 1,7 dis eyrw poy prokyptei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, sas anegnwsa thn epistolh gia na gnwrizete, dioti einai ena qema to opoio einai bebaio oti me ton alfa h bhta tropo qa erxotan sth dhmosiothta tis prosexeis hmeres. Kata synepeia qa hqela na gnwrizete oloi mazi, thn idia wra, to qema ayto. Deyteron, qa parakalesw gia opoiesdhpote alles texnikes alla shmantikes leptomereies na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Triton, qelw na shmeiwsw oti paralabame ws kybernhsh to 2004 thn aporrofhtikothta toy G'KPS sto 21%, ton Martio toy 2004. Eprepe na einai - giati eixan hdh symplhrwqei tessera xronia apo tote poy jekinhse to G'K.P.S - toylaxiston sta misa h konta sta misa. Exoyme ftasei se ena poly ychlo epipedo: Programmata poy parelhfqhsan sto 7% h to 10% einai shmera sta epipeda toy 40%. Shmera h aporrofhsh toy G'KPS jeperna to 48% kata meso oro kai beltiwnetai kaqhmerina. H prospaqeia ths kybernhshs, htan mia prospaqeia, se synergasia pantote me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, na mh xaqoyn xrhmata. Na mporesoyn na aporrofhqoyn oso to dynaton perissotera xrhmata. Kai ayth h epistolh mila apo monh ths gi' ayth thn prospaqeia.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw ean eixe enhmerwqei h Genikh Grammateia ths kybernhshs sxetika me thn apoysia xqes toy k. Soyflia apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai xqes meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai apanthsa qetika.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei kapoios sygkekrimenos logos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean gnwrizw kala  kai gnwrizw kala dioti rwthsa to Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy  o k. Soyflias eniwse mia mikrh adiaqesia.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ``samoyrai syndikalisths'' k. Polydwras qa dwsei timhtikh diakrish ston astynomiko poy xqes toy phran to pistoli;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

SIDERHS: Oxi, qa synexisw me allh erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa synexisw egw to briefing oso eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, didontas to logo stoys dhmosiografoys poy anaferw. Den sas apokleiw pote. Milate synexws. Parakalw h k. Korah. Qa sas janadwsw to logo argotera.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ston Proypologismo toy 2007 yparxei mia problech gia 8,8% ayjhsh, dhladh kata 650 ekatommyria stis dhmosies ependyseis. Yphrje plhrhs symfwnia anamesa ston Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai ston Ypoyrgo PEXWDE k. Soyflia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala - exei ginei allwste Ypoyrgiko Symboylio sto parelqon - oti ta qemata toy Proypologismoy exoyn syzhthqei, epi seira mhnwn, metajy olwn twn Ypoyrgwn kai exei epelqei symfwnia edw kai para poly kairo.

BLAXOS: Mhpws exete thn eygenh kalosynh na mas ejhghsete gia poio logo enas Genikos Dieyqynths me mia hmera yphresia mporei na parei 1200 eyrw epipleon syntajh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ej oswn gnwrizw anafereste sth ryqmish h opoia ginetai gia thn apokatastash adikiwn apo to parelqon, se sxesh me th qesh toy Genikoy Dieyqynth.

BLAXOS: Rwtaw giati endiaferomai na ginw Genikos Dieyqynths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazomai oti oloi qa poyn mia kalh koybenta ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy...

BLAXOS: Oxi san kybernhsh mporeite na me proslabete. Ama einai na doylecw mia mera kai na parw 1200 eyrw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prepei na doylecete polla xronia sto dhmosio. Gia tis ypoqeseis aytes exei apanthsei hdh sth Boylh o armodios Ypoyrgos. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: To qewreite dikaio k. Ekproswpe; Epeidh epikaleiste to teleytaio diasthma thn kakh oikonomikh katastash kai kanete kai paraineseis pros toys dikastikoys kai alloys syntajioyxoys kai symbasioyxoys, qewreite dikaio enas Genikos Dieyqynths me mia mera na parei 1200 eyrw epipleon syntajh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti einai parelkystiko, opws qetete to qema. Den yparxei Genikos Dieyqynths poy qa meinei mia mera sth qesh toy. Epanalambanw: Einai apokatastash adikiwn apo to parelqon. Exei anaferei analytika to qema o armodios Ypoyrgos sth Boylh. Den exw na symplhrwsw tipota perissotero.

KAKALHS: Kaqe xrono o Proypologismos einai anaptyjiakos, koinwnika dikaios, ergaleio koinwnikhs synoxhs kai alla tetoia megalepibola. To apotelesma einai omws oti kaqe xrono oi koinwnikes anisothtes dieyrynontai kai hdh panw apo to 20% toy ellhnikoy plhqysmoy  opws eipe kai xqes o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados  einai katw apo to orio ths ftwxeias. Mhpws diakrinete na yparxei kapoia anantistoixia anamesa sta logia, tis diakhryjeis, thn pragmatikothta kai ta erga;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas koyrasw epanalambanontas polla apo ayta ta opoia eipwqhkan xqes sthn aiqoysa ths Boylhs, alla kai ta osa eipe sthn eishghtikh toy omilia sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy o Prwqypoyrgos. Qa sas pw oti ylopoioyntai oi desmeyseis ths kybernhshs gia thn enisxysh ths koinwnikhs synoxhs, kaqws, opws gnwrizete poly kala  exei anakoinwqei allwste  ayjanontai oi syntajeis toy OGA, to epidoma Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs kai to epidoma anergias, symfwna akribws me tis desmeyseis mas. Sas qymizw oti oi syntajioyxoi agrotes toy OGA qa eisprattoyn perissotera xrhmata, opws akribws exoyme desmeyqei. To idio qa symbei kai me to EKAS, to idio symbainei kai me to epidoma anergias. Oi ayjhseis einai orismenes, kaqorismenes kai erxontai na ylopoihsoyn tis proeklogikes mas desmeyseis.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla pisteyete oti ena eyrw ayjhsh poy dinetai me to EKAS mporei na beltiwsei ...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa diamartyrhqei o k. Siderhs kai me to dikio toy ean epitrecw na kanete kai deyterh erwthsh. Amesws meta qa sas dwsw to logo.

MAYRIDHS: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema ths epistolhs toy Mparoso kai na rwthsw h prospaqeia poy exei kataballei  opws eipate - h kybernhsh petyxainontas ayjhsh ths aporrofhtikothtas sas kanei na elpizete pws qa mporesete me ayth th dieyqethsh na aporrofhsete ola ta enapomeinanta kondylia kai qa hqela ean den ta kataferete yparxei allh dieyqethsh h einai oristiko kai telesidiko kai qa xaqoyn oristika ta ..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero. Exw apanthsei me safhneia sto erwthma sas. H prospaqeia poy egine apo thn hmera poy giname kybernhsh, einai na ayjhqei h aporrofhsh, na mh xaqoyn alla kondylia. Sas eipa oti mesa se tessera xronia xaqhke polys xronos. Nomizw oti to G' KPS den jekinhse to 2000, opws qa ofeile na jekinhsei, alla jekinhse me ena xrono kaqysterhsh. H prospaqeia, loipon, mexri stigmhs, exei apodwsei se ena poly kalo pososto kai pisteyoyme oti ta pragmata qa pane poly kalytera.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera jekinoyn oi trihmeres ekdhlwseis gia to Polytexneio. Me aformh ayto poy egine xqes me ton astynomiko me thn apwleia toy oploy toy, alla kai me ena mparaz emprhsmwn poy eixame stis trapezes, genika pws qa antimetwpisete twra to qema ths poreias kai twn endexomenwn epeisodiwn; Sas anhsyxei kaqoloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti ekane xqes mia dhlwsh xqes o k. Polydwras. Thn epanalambanw: H ellhnikh astynomia merimna gia to akwlyto kai eirhniko ths pragmatopoihshs twn ekdhlwsewn kata th diarkeia toy eortasmoy ths epeteioy toy Polytexneioy. Qa moy epitrecete na symplhrwsw: Mias epeteioy enothtas, perisylloghs kai fysika giorths ths Dhmokratias. Oloi, o kaqenas apo to xwro eyqynhs toy, ofeiloyn na frontisoyn wste ayth h giorth na mhn metatrapei se panhgyri oligwn taraxopoiwn. Qa hqela na kleisw ayth thn epishmansh me thn eyxh na metasxoyme oloi eite me th skech, eite me thn paroysia sthn epeteio ayth ths Dhmokratias mas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to antimetwpisate apajiwtika to erwthma moy...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydepote apajiwnw kapoion.

SIDERHS: Apla zhthsate allh erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lypamai ean edwsa ayth thn entypwsh.

SIDERHS: To problhma einai allo. Oti exoyme astynomikoys poy toys pairnoyn ta opla. Exoyme astynomikoys poy toys bgazoyn apo ta peripolika kai ta kaine. Exoyme astynomikoys poy ejw apo ta astynomika tmhmata kapoioi mporoyn na kaine amajia kai oi idioi oi astynomikoi na mpainoyn mesa sto tmhma. Synebh sta Ejarxeia. Einai epipedo astynomias ayto; Kai qa kanete kati; Einai genikh h erwthsh moy an qa kanete kati, alla blepoyme syn tw xronw proioysa apodiorganwsh. Gi' ayto anefera ton syndikalisth ypoyrgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa elega oti yparxei proioysa apodiorganwsh, qa elega oti h antimetwpish twn peristatikwn ginetai oloena kai me pio epityxhmeno tropo. Exoyme mia seira apo peristatika - den qa hqela na ta qymisw se ayth thn aiqoysa, ta gnwrizoyme oloi  ta opoia h astynomia xeiristhke me epidejiothta, me leptothta, me apotelesmatikothta. Na mhn jexname ta kala ta opoia exei prosferei h astynomia sthn asfaleia toy topoy, sthn asfaleia twn politwn.

SIDERHS: An phgate sto strato qa sas legane oti otan hsastan skopia htan qema timhs na mhn sas paroyn to oplo. Aytoy toy astynomikoy toy to phran kati paidarelia. Qa exei epiptwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to qema. Qa hqela na parakalesw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, me thn ennoia oti den jerw ti akribws synebh sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, oyte mporw na gnwrizw. H erwthsh sas ayth einai mia kalh aformh na pw oti dystyxws, polles fores, perimenoyme apo toys astynomikoys na einai yperanqrwpoi. An dhladh kanoyn to a, kathgoroyntai giati den ekanan to b. An kanoyn to b, kathgoroyntai giati den ekanan to a. Anatrejte sthn kritikh h opoia exei ginei kata kairoys se ayth thn omada twn sympolitwn mas oi opoioi exoyn taxqei, exoyn orkistei sto Syntagma na yperaspizontai thn asfaleia kai thn perioysia twn Ellhnwn politwn kai skefqeite ti eidoys epiqeseis exoyn dexqei kata kairoys.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla h kritikh afora ena meros toy politikoy kosmoy. Den afora thn pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dystyxws mia diarkhs apajiwsh apo polloys, h opoia den tairiazei oyte sto Swma ths Astynomias, oyte kai sthn prosfora poy exei kai h opoia einai shmantikh.

SIDERHS: Afenos, h kritikh einai ekkwfantikh, alla apo mikro tmhma ths koinhs gnwmhs kai afeteroy to mono poy qeloyme einai na einai ekpaideymenoi, na antapokrinontai sthn apostolh toys kai den antapokrinontai. Eite prokeitai gia diarrhktes ths nyktas poy einai sta proastia, eite gia astynomikoys poy droyn sto kentro kai toys pairnoyn ta pistolia. Se eji mhnes, treis fores synebh paromoio peristatiko.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos thlefwnhse ston k. Soyflia na toy eyxhqei perastika; Ton brhke spiti h sto grafeio; To rwtw ayto giati o k. Soyflias entopisthke 8.30 to brady xqes  mia xara o anqrwpos, kotsonatos  na mpainei sto aytokinhto toy kai na feygei apo to ypoyrgeio toy. O anqrwpos poy ton eide me diabebaiwse shmera to prwi oti htan mia xara. O k. Prwqypoyrgos toy thlefwnhse na toy pei perastika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na kanw allo sxolio. Sas eipa prohgoymenws, apantwntas se erwthsh synadelfoy sas, gia to logo ths apoysias toy k. Soyflia, xqes, apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

BLAXOS: Endiaferomai na maqw ean endiaferqhke o k. Karamanlhs gia thn ygeia toy Ypoyrgoy toy kai ean toy thlefwnhse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai endiaferetai o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn ygeia olwn twn Ypoyrgwn toy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Drattomai ths eykairias me aformh ta epeisodia kai thn epeteio toy Polytexneioy, endexomenws na einai ligo probokatorikh h erwthsh moy, epeidh to teleytaio diasthma ston Typo grafthkan kamposes apoceis gia katarghsh toy asyloy h gia endexomenes skeceis poy yparxoyn stoys kolpoys ths kybernhshs na katarghqei to akadhmaiko asylo, anarwtiemai ean einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na epanejetasei to qema toy asyloy giati kata tis apoceis orismenwn arqrografwn einai enas mesaiwnikos qesmos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Grafei kapoy o Mprext oti en antiqesei me toys maqhtes oi opoioi jexnoyn ta laqh twn daskalwn, ekeinoi ta qymoyntai akoma. Einai h tetarth h h pempth fora poy moy kanete thn idia erwthsh tis teleytaies hmeres sto press room. Exw apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Moy epitrepete na kanw dyo erwthseis; H prwth afora se ayto poy sas rwthse o synadelfos prohgoymenws ean exete genikh eikona, ean ta erga poy bgainoyn apo to G'KPS logw kai ths ayjhmenhs koinotikhs symmetoxhs alla se mia prospaqeia symbibasmoy, apo o,ti katalabainw, aforoyn se erga ths armodiothtas toy YPEXWDE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na apanthsw gi' ayth thn ypoqesh, to eipa prohgoymenws.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy hqela na rwthsw einai an h kybernhsh meta thn arnhsh twn symbasioyxwn na apodexqoyn th lysh poy toys proteine xqes o k. Paylopoylos dia ths katalhchs twn monimwn qesewn mesw diagwnismwn apo toys OTA, alla kai th dedhlwmenh apo sygkekrimenoys OTA adynamia toys na prokhryjoyn diagwnismoys logw problhmatwn me toys eswterikoys kanonismoys kai logw xronodiagrammatwn, antimetwpizei to endexomeno na proxwrhsei gia toys sygkekrimenoys symbasioyxoys, aytoys poy ergazontan epi ergw stoys OTA kai dikaiwqhkan apo th Dikaiosynh sth sygkekrimenh ryqmish prokeimenoy na epanaproslhfqoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthse o k. Paylopoylos xqes se oles tis erwthseis. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

KAKALHS: O Toyrkos YPEJ, o k. Gkioyl, xarakthrise shmantiko zhthma twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn to qema ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas. Qelw na rwthsw ean qa to syzhthsei san tetoio sth synanthsh poy qa exei sthn Aqhna me thn k. Mpakogiannh. H kybernhsh qewrei oti einai dimeres qema to qema ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai dimeres qema. To exoyme pei polles fores. Ekeino to opoio isxyei ws dhlwsh - oxi mono apo emena se ayth th aiqoysa, alla kai apo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn kai ton Prwqypoyrgo, polles fores sto parelqon kai apo alles kybernhseis - oti h ellhnikh Politeia akoloyqei mia politikh protypo apolytoy sebasmoy twn dikaiwmatwn olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn kai bebaiws kai ths moysoylmanikhs meionothtas.

KAKALHS: Fainetai oti den exete peisei toys Amerikanoys. O arxhgos toy Steht Nthpartment dhlwse xqes oti yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis. Mporeite na ejhghsete giati den sympiptoyn oi apoceis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa ta dhmosieymata kai diabasa en synexeia kai to briefing apo to Internet kai diapistwnw oti yparxei mia mikrh apoklish. Yparxei diaforetikh apoch sthn proseggish. Oxi opws anaferqhke se orismena dhmosieymata. Kai den krinw ta dhmosieymata, kalopista isws oi dhmosiografoi to egracan. H diaforetikh ermhneia twn HPA sto qema twn meionothtwn den afora mono thn Ellada, afora kai alles eyrwpaikes xwres, dioti yparxei antistoixh apoklish kai ekei. Bebaiws kai yparxei safhs anafora gia to sebasmo twn HPA sth Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs.

XIWTHS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths epistolhs toy k. Mparoso gia na sas apeyqynw mia paraklhsh giati katalabainw oti den einai logiko na gnwrizete oles tis leptomereies ths symfwnias. Qa hqela, an einai dynaton, ayrio h shmera to apogeyma na exoyme th lista twn ergwn poy perikoptontai. Apo o,ti gnwrizw einai se symfwnia twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn kai kyriws toy YPEXWDE kai toy Metaforwn poy afora dhmosia kai sygkoinwniaka erga, alla nomizw oti prepei na gnwrizoyme poia erga egkataleipontai estw kai ean ta ypoloipa poy prokrinontai qa proxwrhsoyn me megalyterh taxythta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na kanw dyo parathrhseis: Prwton, eipa oti qa dwsei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn perissoteres leptomereies se opoion apeyqynqei ekei kai eimai bebaios oti oi syntaktes toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn qa rwthsoyn. Deyteron, kai se ayth thn erwthsh sas proseggizete to qema me arnhtiko tropo. Den to proseggizw etsi...

XIWTHS: Kaqoloy arnhtiko, giati to lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora sas, h diarkhs anafora se erga poy perikoptontai erxetai oysiastika na tonisei ta laqh poy eixan ginei sto parelqon.

XIWTHS: Giati na qewreitai arnhtiko gia esas ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio qa epanalabw kai qa to epanalabw me plhrh gnwsh toy qematos, einai: H shmerinh kybernhsh otan anelabe, parelabe to 2004, meta apo tessera xronia opoy h prohgoymenh kybernhsh qa eprepe na eixe aporrofhsei erga se pososto sxedon 50% - kai htan akribws ta misa  mia aporrofhsh ths tajews toy 21% sthn kalyterh periptwsh. Egine para poly doyleia se ayto to diasthma. Egine poly megalh prospaqeia stis syzhthseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia na mporesoyme na ejasfalisoyme kondylia ta opoia qa xanontan. Kai ayto epitygxanei h shmerinh kybernhsh: Ejasfalizei kondylia poy qa xanontan. Ayth einai mia pio qetikh, alla kai h pragmatikh proseggish twn pragmatwn.

BLAXOS: Prepei gia politikoys logoys na to dwsete, afoy einai...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Eipa jekaqara, apantwntas se erwthma toy k. Siderh, oti qa hqela na to exete oloi thn idia stigmh. Dioti ean ayrio to eixe kapoia efhmerida h kapoio thleoptiko kanali, qa me egkaloysate.

BLAXOS: Th lista lew. Th lista me ta erga poy perikoptete, exete enan epipleon logo na th dwsete sth dhmosiothta gia na doyme ti laqh ekanan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis.

XIWTHS: Akribws ayto qelw kai egw na tonisw: Den kathgorei kaneis thn kybernhsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den einai kako na kathgoreite thn kybernhsh. H kritikh, oytws h allws, einai dekth.

XIWTHS: ... oti egkataleipei erga. Einai profanes oti egkataleipontai erga poy eixan emfanisei poly xamhlh aporrofhtikothta ta prohgoymena xronia. Wstoso, epeidh eikazw basimws oti einai erga poy aforoyn thn perifereia gia thn opoia h kybernhsh sas exei diatympanisei, apo to fqinopwro, oti strefetai pros aythn, einai kalo na plhroforhqei h koinh gnwmh poia erga den qa proxwrhsoyn kai ant` aytwn poia qa proxwrhsoyn. Den exei kanena stoixeio kritikhs h erwthsh moy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa me enoxloyse kaqoloy na exei stoixeio kritikhs. Milhsa gia ton arnhtismo ton opoio dieida sth diatypwsh ths erwthshs. Einai dikaiwma toy kaqe dhmosiografoy na diatypwnei opws qelei thn erwthsh toy. Ayth einai h parathrhsh thn opoia ekana. Gia na milhsw ligo gia thn perifereia, sas qymizw oti h kybernhsh den diatympanizei aplws, giati to ``diatympanizw'' einai ena rhma to opoio mallon einai keno periexomenoy ws pros thn praktikh, ws pros to apotelesma toy...

XIWTHS: Twra kanete eseis kritikh sth dikh moy diatypwsh. Exete eseis to dikaiwma, alla den exw egw to dikaiwma na xrwmatizw thn erwthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To exete. Alla exei kapoios to dikaiwma na sxoliasei. Ypotiqetai oti egw mporw na dwsw apanthseis kai na sxoliasw. Kai eseis mporeite na to kanete sthn efhmerida sas. H kybernhsh den diatympanizei aplws. H kybernhsh exei milhsei gia to D' K.P.S. me poly sygkekrimena pososta. Sas qymizw to 80%, to poso to opoio qa diateqei sthn perifereia.

BLAXOS: En katakleidi, san symperasma, qa mas dwsete telika th lista; Nai h oxi, giati den katalaba.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Diabasate sto prwtotypo to sxetiko briefing toy Steit Ntipartment. Ekei den yparxei safhs anafora, prowqhmenh apoch, gia thn anabaqmish ths telikhs prajhs toy Elsinki, h opoia ypobaqmizei th Lwzanh kata toys Amerikanoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekana to sxolio to opoio eixa na kanw. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epanelqw ligo sto erwthma toy k. Blaxoy, giati den exw katalabei thn antifatikh logikh poy kata th gnwmh moy pali  sygxwrhste me gia to xarakthrismo- diakrinei th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia se sxesh me tis eyergetikes diatajeis gia to syntajiodotiko. Den mporw na katalabw pws einai dynaton h kybernhsh na anagnwrizei adikies se anqrwpoys poy exoyn xrhmatisei genikoi dieyqyntes h dhmarxoi kai mia ebdomada nwritera na exei aporricei analogh diatajh poy aforoyse boyleytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete xrhmatisei koinoboyleytikos syntakths, exete thn anesh na prosfygete sta praktika ths Boylhs, opoy qa deite olh thn epixeirhmatologia ths kybernhshs diatypwmenh apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

XIWTHS: Den yparxei sta praktika ths Boylhs epixeirhmatologia giati aporrifqhke telikws h tropologia gia toys boyleytes. Aposyrqh xwris na aitiologhqei, gi` ayto sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, milame gia to qema poy rwthse o k. Blaxos prohgoymenws. Se ayto, loipon, to qema yparxei topoqethsh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy sth Boylh. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

XIWTHS: Den yparxei k. Ekproswpe. Moy epitrepete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw.

XIWTHS: Prin apo mia ebdomada yphrje mia diatajh opoy elyne diafores tetoioy eidoys adikies...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Peite tote oti me rwtate kati allo. Allo qema me rwthse o synadelfos sas prohgoymenws, se allo apanthsa. Symplhrwnete twra ti egine, oxi prin apo mia ebdomada, prin apo dyo ebdomades, gia na eimaste kai akribeis sto xrono.

XIWTHS: Den exei shmasia ean einai prin apo mia ebdomada h prin apo dyo ebdomades.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy den exei apanthsei h kybernhsh kai gi` ayto sas rwtw einai gia poio logo aposyrqhke h diatajh gia toys boyleytes, otan paremeine h diatajh gia toys genikoys dieyqyntes kai gia toys dhmarxoys. Qewreite oti oi boyleytes einai ligotero adikhmenoi sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, toy na mhn exoyn oloklhra ta xronia poy xreiazontai gia th syntajiodothsh toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipote perissotero apo ta sxolia poy eginan ekeines tis hmeres apo toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys.

XIWTHS: Ma, den eginan sxolia, k. Ekproswpe.

BLAXOS: Pantws, oyte boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias peisthkan apo tis ejhghseis poy edwse xqes to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, giati yparxoyn antidraseis kai apo thn k. Papakwsta kai apo ton k. Manwlh kai apo alloys, apo o,ti katalabainw. Qa tis sxoliasete aytes tis antidraseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Den sas aforoyn; San kybernhsh ennow, den sas problhmatizoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Allh erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh to qema twn symbasioyxwn: Epeidh h kybernhsh apo o,ti fainetai exei apofasisei na mhn ylopoihsei tis dikastikes apofaseis meta thn apofash toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gia th monimopoihsh twn symbasioyxwn  den jerw posoi einai, kapoioi lene oti einai 350 me 500- gia toys OTA, thn idia stigmh o yfypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Giakoymatos, se shmerines radiofwnikes toy dhlwseis, entassei 367 ypallhloys toy ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs, oi opoioi htan symbasioyxoi, se ena Proedriko Diatagma kai me to opoio dinei th dynatothta na monimopoihqoyn. Den einai ligaki antifatiko ayto to pragma apo th mia, apo th stigmh poy stoys men arneiste th monimopoihsh h th lysh mesw twn dikasthriwn kai toys de toys monimopoieite mesa apo ena Proedriko Diatagma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwta qa hqela na dw ean katalaba kala thn erwthsh sas: Eipate oti h kybernhsh arneitai na...

PALAIOLOGOS: Na ylopoihsei dikastikes apofaseis se o,ti afora toys symbasioyxoys stoys Dhmoys. Dhladh, sthn oysia leei oti ``sas dinoyme mono ta dedoyleymena. Apo ekei kai pera, den... ''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mplejate kapws kai to Elegktiko Synedrio. Qelete na moy to epanalabete;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Lew oti xreiasthke h apofansh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gia na mhn ginoyn ektelestes oi apofaseis twn dikasthriwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, kathgoreite thn kybernhsh giati threi thn apofash toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy. Giati, dhladh, den paranomei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi. Den thn kathgorw. Egw kanw mia sygkrish, oti apo th mia me toys symbasioyxoys twn Dhmwn toys arneiste th monimopoihsh kai apo thn allh o yfypoyrgos Apasxolhshs k. Giakoymatos monimopoiei symbasioyxoys kai malista -apo o,ti toylaxiston elege shmera se radiofwnikes toy dhlwseis- 367 atoma, ypallhloys toy ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw o,ti eipa thn perasmenh Paraskeyh se ayth thn aiqoysa: Ayth h kybernhsh einai h monh h opoia elyse to problhma twn symbasioyxwn. Kai elyse to problhma me jekaqaro tropo. Apo to 1999 yphrxe odhgia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, thn opoia epi pente xronia h prohgoymenh kybernhsh ekane pws den gnwrize. Otan prospaqhse na to lysei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, sas qymizw oti katerrifqh to Proedriko ths Diatagma, dioti eixe mia seira apo lanqasmenes probleceis. Sas qymizw, epishs, oti apo toys prwtoys mhnes poy egine kybernhsh h Nea Dhmokratia, me to Proedriko Diatagma  gnwsto ws Proedriko Diatagma Paylopoyloy- elyse ayto to zhthma. Kai sas qymizw oti kapoies dekades xiliades anqrwpwn, oi opoioi mexri tote htan omhroi twn diaqesewn ths politikhs ejoysias, eginan monimoi ypallhloi, ypallhloi aoristoy xronoy. Epishs, sas qymizw oti oi Dhmoi exoyn th dynatothta na zhthsoyn th systash organikwn qesewn kai na prokhryjoyn qeseis mesw toy ASEP, etsi wste na kalyfqoyn oi opoies anagkes exoyn. Ayta einai pragmata jekaqara apo toys nomoys poy aporreoyn apo to ellhniko Dhmosio.

BLAXOS: Otan yparxei mia apofash enos dikasthrioy kai yparxei kai mia apofash Elegktikoy Synedrioy, poy einai antiqetes, ti yperisxyei gia thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Elegktiko Synedrio sas qymizw oti einai Anwtato Dikasthrio.

BLAXOS: Yperisxyei, dhladh, to Elegktiko Synedrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti to Elegktiko Synedrio einai Anwtato Dikasthrio.

BLAXOS: Malista. O fakelos me aytes tis periptwseis twn symbasioyxwn, apo o,ti plhroforhqhka, poy afora orismenoys dhmarxoys poy exoyn emplakei sto qema twn symbasioyxwn, exei paei ston k. Sanida. Ara, mporoyme na doyme poinikes diwjeis enantion dhmarxwn poy ejapathsan symbasioyxoys, toys proselaban, den eixan xrhmata na toys plhrwsoyn kai ayth th stigmh toys exoyn afhsei sto dromo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kai den qa mporoysa na gnwrizw to qema -otan ena qema einai sth Dikaiosynh- dioti gnwrizete poly kala oti h Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei me anejarthto tropo apo o,ti h kybernhsh. Ara, den mporw na gnwrizw.

KAKALHS: Thn apofash toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy thn efarmozete kata to hmisy. Kanonika den qa eprepe na kataballete oyte ta dedoyleymena, ean qelate na symmorfwqeite mexri teloys me tis dikastikes apofaseis. Giati, enw thn parabiazete kata to hmisy, den to oloklhrwnete kai na toys monimopoihsete, afoy kalyptan pagies kai diarkeis anagkes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai etsi. Dioti ean kalyptan pagies kai diarkeis anagkes h ean oi sygkekrimenoi Dhmoi ontws kalyptan pagies kai diarkeis anagkes toys, den qa toys proslambanan gia oktw mhnes, qa toys ediwxnan gia alloys tesseris kai oysiastika qa leitoyrgoysan me logikes epoxikwn ypallhlwn. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti to Proedriko Diatagma elege ``ean doyleyoyn kat` elaxiston dyo xronia''. Kai akoyw periptwseis anqrwpwn poy doyleyoyn poly perissotero apo dyo xronia. Ara, ti synebaine epi tosa xronia; Proslambanontan apo to Dhmarxo gia kapoioys mhnes, sth logikh toy epoxikoy ypallhloy, toys zhtoyse en synexeia na apoxwrhsoyn, toys ediwxne gia kapoioys mhnes kai sth synexeia toys janaepairne k.o.k. Ean htan ontws me pagies kai diarkeis anagkes, ean dhladh eixan akoloyqhqei oi diadikasies poy eginan se alles yphresies  gnwrizete toys synadelfoys sas sthn ERT kai anefera ayto to paradeigma giati gi` mas einai pio oikeio- tote bebaiws aytoi oi anqrwpoi qa eixan monimopoihqei me to Proedriko Diatagma Paylopoyloy. As anatrejei kapoios, loipon, sth logikh pisw apo thn opoia kryfthkan  ponhra qa elega- orismenoi gia na ependysoyn panw ston pono orismenwn sympolitwn mas, na ependysoyn panw sthn anagkh toys gia doyleia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh eipate gia thn ERT twra, kai h ERT kanei kapoies proslhceis, toys krataei treis symbaseis kai meta toys diwxnei, toys afhnei treis mhnes kai toys janapairnei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai to Proedriko Diatagma Paylopoyloy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na mhn toys monimopoihsei. Gia na mhn toys kanei aoristoy xronoy kai na toys exei jekremastoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gnwrizete to qema. Epanalambanw: Mexri mia orismenh xronikh stigmh oi anqrwpoi aytoi proslambanontan gia ligo kairo. Eginan proslhceis symbasioyxwn, epi symbasei ergoy. Efeygan. Janagyrizan k.o.k. h ananewnontoysan aytes oi symbaseis. Hrqe h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph to '99 kai eipe oti edw yparxei mia famprika kai ayth h famprika einai enantion twn ergazomenwn, eis baros kaqe ennoias swsths antimetwpishs toy opoioydhpote ergazomenoy. Prospaqhse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh -den ta katafere- na kanei ena Proedriko Diatagma, to opoio na lynei to problhma. To elyse ayth h kybernhsh. Kai ti eipe; Oti apo edw kai sto ejhs mia dhmosia yphresia exei th dynatothta, efoson exei anagkh, na parei anqrwpoys na ergastoyn me symbash ergoy. Dhladh gia ena sygkekrimeno ergo to opoio qa teleiwsei, na to prajei ayto, ananewnontas th symbash toy ews dyo xronia. Sth synexeia, yparxei h dynatothta, ean diakopei gia treis mhnes h symbash, na ananewqei gia allh mia dietia kai telos. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Exei, dhladh, mia dhmosia yphresia anagkh gia ena sygkekrimeno ergo, to opoio qa teleiwsei se dyo xronia. To anaqetei se kapoion. Ean den teleiwsei se dyo xronia, exei th dynatothta, afoy parelqoyn treis mhnes, na anaqesei gia alla dyo xronia mia symbash ergoy. Kai meta den exei kamia allh dynatothta. Dioti eixame to fainomeno opoy symbaseis ergoy metetreponto tois pragmasi se symbaseis ergasias. To jerete poly kala ayto to qema.

MAYRIDHS: Ayth h famprika sthn opoia anaferqhkate dhmioyrgeitai logw ths aisqhshs poy exoyn oi perissoteroi oi opoioi phgainoyn kai ginontai symbasioyxoi. Proslambanontai kai gnwrizoyn ek twn proterwn oti ypografontas mia symbash ergoy ayth kapoia stigmh qa teleiwsei. To gnwrizoyn, alla exoyn mesa toys thn aisqhsh oti ayto qa einai o proqalamos ths monimopoihshs. Mporei shmera h kybernhsh na jekaqarisei rhta kai kathgorhmatika se oloys aytoys toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi prosdokoyn kai perimenoyn oti kapoia stigmh mesw ayths ths diadikasias qa monimopoihqoyn, oti den prokeitai pote na monimopoihqoyn gia na teleiwsei olo ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn xrhsimopoieite enestwta, dioti einai pleon parelqontas o xronos ton opoio qa prepei na xrhsimopoieite. Den xreiazetai na to jekaqarisei h kybernhsh shmera, giati to jekaqarise prin apo dyo xronia. To exei jekaqarisei me ton pleon rhto kai kathgorhmatiko tropo. Me nomimo tropo, o opoios kriqhke. Dhladh me to Proedriko Diatagma. Ara, giati na to jekaqarisei kai pali shmera kai ayrio kai meqayrio; Na to kanoyme gia logoys mnhmhs, giati kapoioi tyxon exoyn jexasei ti shmainei ayto. Opws endexomenws kai eseis poy me rwtate. Den to katakrinw poy me rwtate. Alla einai dynaton dyo xronia meta, afoy einai jekaqaro to topio, na moy lete ``prepei twra na jekaqaristei gia to mellon'';

MAYRIDHS: Oxi. Den to lew me ayth thn ennoia. To lew, dioti polla legontai, alla pali epanerxomaste sto idio qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lypoymai ean epanerxeste sto idio qema. Jekaqara lew oti h kybernhsh phre mia apofash prin apo dyo xronia. Thn eipe ston ellhniko lao. Eipe stoys Ellhnes polites oti ayto poy synebaine mexri twra, dhladh h omhria orismenwn anqrwpwn gia politikes h kommatikes skopimothtes, teleiwnei. Den qa yparxei pleon. Apo toyde kai sto ejhs osoi eixan dikaiwma, ejaitias twn pollwn etwn poy emeinan me aytes tis symbaseis, me to Proedriko Diatagma Paylopoyloy na monimopoihqoyn, monimopoihqhkan. Osoi pairnoyn twra mia qesh gia na kanoyn ergo, ypografoyn mia symbash ergoy, gnwrizoyn ek twn proterwn oti ayth h symbash ergoy exei hmeromhnia lhjhs. Ayto pleon ennoeitai.

MAYRIDHS: Pisteyete oti ayto poy lete exei ginei pepoiqhsh se oloys aytoys toys anqrwpoys poy bgainoyn kai diamartyrontai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw poly kala oti h kybernhsh to exei pei jekaqara. To exei pei me to Proedriko Diatagma, to exei pei para polles fores dhmosiws.

KAKALHS: Yparxei kai h nea genia galaziwn symbasioyxwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei allh erwthsh;

BLAXOS: Diapistwsame k. Ekproswpe, perpatwntas sto kentro ths Aqhnas, oti apokthsate politiko grafeio sthn Akadhmias 33. Apofasisate kai se poia eklogikh perifereia qa politeyqeite telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mallon to diapistwsate, diabazontas kapoio dhmosieyma.

BLAXOS: Oxi, eidame to onoma sas kollhmeno me ena seloteip.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tipota akoma. Eyxaristw gia to endiaferon sas.

BLAXOS: Qa katebeite sto ypoloipo Attikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan yparjei, qa to maqete.

Sas eyxaristw.

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