Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-06-28

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Aqhna, 28 Ioynioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Tassos Papadopoylos qa pragmatopoihsei episkech ergasias sthn Aqhna, stis 10 Ioylioy 2006. O Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh gia na syzhthsoyn to Kypriako kai alla qemata amoibaioy endiaferontos. Oi diaboyleyseis aytes entassontai sto plaisio twn taktikwn epafwn kai ths synexoys synergasias twn dyo kybernhsewn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes ta ``akinhta stratiwtakia'' kata Polydwra, xtyphsan kai dhmosiografoys. Katarxhn den einai dogma, den leei kaneis oti h Astynomia, to xoyligkanismo eite podosfairiko eite politiko, den prepei na ton antimetwpizei. Exoyme omws to dedomeno oti xtypagan dhmosiografoys thn idia wra poy ekanan mia mono syllhch. Ti exete na peite gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei anakoinwsh ths Genikhs Astynomikhs Dieyqynshs Attikhs, me thn opoia gnwstopoieitai h dienergeia proanakrishs, prokeimenoy na diakribwqoyn oi synqhkes traymatismoy. Parallhla dietaxqh apo thn yphresia h dienergeia dioikhtikhs ereynas gia tyxon symmetoxh astynomikwn sthn ypoqesh.

SIDERHS: Ma, egw rwthsa allo. Den yperaspizomai apo syntexniakoys logoys toys dhmosiografoys poy xtyphqhkan. Allwste se katastash anampoympoylas mporei na xtyphqei kai dhmosiografos. Analwsimoi eimaste@

ANTWNAROS: Kanenas anqrwpos den einai analwsimos.

SIDERHS: Qewrw oti kai oi politikoi kai oi dhmosiografoi ek ths fysews ths doyleias mas@ Yparxoyn epaggelmata poy einai, ek twn pragmatwn.

ANTWNAROS: Kaneis anqrwpos kai kanena epaggelma den einai analwsimo.

SIDERHS: Giati mia syllhch; Den einai anikanothta ayto ths Astynomias; Den antanakla kai sthn politikh hgesia mia tetoia anikanothta;

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai gia diko sas sxolio poy egw den ensternizomai. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h Ellhnikh Astynomia einai epifortismenh me mia dyskolh apostolh: Na perifroyrei kai na ejasfalizei th dhmosia tajh kai as mhn to jexname ayto, na prostateyei ta dikaiwmata kai thn perioysia twn Ellhnwn politwn.

SIDERHS: Ta prostateyse xqes;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na prosqesw oti yparxoyn kapoioi ligoi -egw den qelw na kanw posotikh ajiologhsh- poy metexoyn s` aytes tis kinhtopoihseis, me proqesh na biaiopraghsoyn kai na proboyn se paranomes prajeis. Einai ypoxrewsh -sas to exw pei ki alles fores allwste- twn organwtwn aytwn twn ekdhlwsewn, opws symbainei se oles tis eynomoymenes koinwnies, na perifroyrhsoyn tis ekdhlwseis poy diorganwnoyn kai na apomonwsoyn apotelesmatika ayta ta akraia stoixeia.

BLAXOS: Kaleite toys polites na kanoyn syllhceis; Den exw katalabei.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti aytoi poy organwnoyn tis diafores ekdhlwseis, exoyn kai thn eyqynh, se megalo baqmo, ths perifroyrhshs. Na mhn epitrepoyn dhladh na eiserxontai stis tajeis toys atoma san kai ayta poy molis periegraca, enw oi idioi epiqymoyn eirhnika na diadhlwsoyn, na ekfrasoyn tis apoceis toys, h tis diafwnies toys.

BLAXOS: Ma, xqes den htan diadhlwsh ejw apo th Nomikh, htan aytoi oi ligoi toys opoioys eipate (den akoygetai) oi opoioi dielysan ta panta.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw stis anakoinwseis ths Astynomias, oi opoies perigrafoyn ta gegonota.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes omws eidame kai ena fainomeno prwtognwro: Koykoyloforoys stis diadhlwseis kai malista me opla, ayta poy rixnoyn tis sygkekrimenes fwtobolides, ta opoia omws einai kai para poly epikindyna kai mporoyn na afairesoyn kai th zwh@

ANTWNAROS: Enas logos parapanw loipon na apomonwqoyn ayta ta atoma.

KAKALHS: Alla toys koykoyloforoys poios toys sprwxnei stis diadhlwseis; Den toys sprwxnei h Astynomia me profaneis stoxoys...; Kai deyteron, giati den exei apokalycei kai syllabei enan koykoyloforo h Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti h eisagwgikh parathrhsh thn opoia kanate einai kainofanhs. Se kamia periptwsh, egw den apodexomai oti aytoys toys anqrwpoys toys ``sprwxnei'', opws eipate, stis diadhlwseis h Astynomia. Prokeitai gia akraia stoixeia.

SARANTAKOS: Se allo qema: Plhrofories anaferoyn shmera oti mexri to meshmeri qa exei anakoinwqei h paratash twn ergasiwn ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs. To epibebaiwnete h to diaceydete;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den qa ekdwsei to diatagma gia th lhjh ths Synodoy.

SARANTAKOS: Giati den qa to ekdwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws, oti ws kybernhsh qa kanoyme o,ti apaiteitai gia na apofeyxqei paragrafh tyxon adikhmatwn.

SARANTAKOS: Ayto shmainei oti qa anazhthqoyn politikes eyqynes proswpwn epi kybernhsewn PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw ep` aytoy toy qematos, to eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Ena politiko sxolio qa hqela na kanete gia ena politiko erwthma, pws syndeetai h diakhryjh ths kybernhshs peri ths synaineshs twn politikwn dynamewn, synennohshs kai thn idia wra, me thn praktikh ayth poy qa akoloyqhsei, opws lete, h kybernhsh, dhmioyrgoyntai aytomatws skies gia eyqynes politikwn proswpwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw kanena sxolio epi toy sxolioy to opoio molis kanate mesa se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SARANTAKOS: Erwthsh htan.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh kanete sxolia, en pash periptwsei, qa hqela na dieykrinisw oti h synainesh den apokleiei thn anazhthsh enoxwn h ypeyqynwn opoy yparxoyn adikhmata.

MANH: Se allo qema: O k. Abramopoylos, sthn protash toy gia diakommatikh symfwnia gia parakamch toy ASEP sthn proslhch twn 9.000 noshleytwn, epikalesthke to Syntagma, epikalesthke syntagmatikh diatajh poy epitrepei kati tetoio. Tetoia omws syntagmatikh diatajh den yparxei poy na leei oti me 200 ypografes boyleytwn parakamptetai to ASEP. Einai allo pragma politikh protash kai einai allo pragma, epikaloymai to Syntagma gia na th qwrakisw nomika. Enas Ypoyrgos ofeilei na gnwrizei to Syntagma;

ANTWNAROS: Enas Ypoyrgos ofeilei panw ap` ola na dinei lyseis apotelesmatikes, oysiastikes, xrhsimes gia to koinwniko synolo sta qemata toy tomea thn eyqynh toy opoioy toy exei anaqesei o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Katarxhn na pame sto qema se sxesh me thn paratash twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs. Exei prokycei kapoio sygkekrimeno stoixeio gia to opoio toylaxiston qa synexistoyn oi ergasies ths Boylhs;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to sygkekrimeno qema, to eipa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla edw den dieykrinizete kati. Lete oti qa parataqoyn oi ergasies, wstoso omws gia na ejetastei mia ypoqesh, gia na ginei ayto to pragma, prepei na yparxei kapoio stoixeio, dhladh estw@

ANTWNAROS: Katarxas, egw den milhsa gia ypoqesh. Eipa oti h kybernhsh, opws exei pei, qa kanei o,ti xreiazetai, wste na mhn epelqei paragrafh gia tyxon adikhmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia adikhmata, poias ypoqeshs tote, gia na katalaboyme kai me bash, ti stoixeia; Ayth einai h erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

BLAXOS: H diadikasia ayth einai synnomh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh kineitai pantote sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia na ginei omws kati tetoio eidika ayth thn epoxh, prepei na yparxei kapoios sygkekrimenos logos, kapoios sobaros apo xronoy logos, opws qa elegan oi nomikoi. Den mporei na ginetai etsi sta tyfla.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PEPONHS: Ean gnwrizete praktika, pws qa leitoyrgei h Boylh to kalokairi; Qa oristoyn kai qerina tmhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sth Boylh. Einai qema leitoyrgias ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Meta th xeiropiasth apodeijh apotyxias toy systhmatos prosbashs sta panepisthmia poy afhse ektos sxedon enan stoys dyo ypochfioys, h kybernhsh skeptetai na katarghsei th laimhtomo ths bashs toy 10% h qelei na dhmioyrghsei pelateia gia ta idiwtika kolegia kai panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina den antilambanomai thn antifash ayth poy molis diatypwsate. Sygkekrimena: Yparxei ena geniko aithma apo toys Ellhnes polites, apo thn akadhmaikh koinothta, apo oloys toys foreis, gia anabaqmish ths tritobaqmias dhmosias ekpaideyshs. Apo thn allh pleyra, moy metaferate eseis ayth th stigmh ena aithma, etsi to antilambanomai, na katarghqei h bash toy deka wste na eisaxqoyn sto panepisthmio oloi osoi exoyn gracei katw apo deka. Ayta ta dyo pragmata den symbibazontai. Qa hqela na pw kai kati akomh: Ayth h proseggish dhladh h eisagwgh oswn grafoyn katw apo th bash, einai adikh gi` aytoys toys maqhtes, oi opoioi katebalan megalh prospaqeia kai eixan kai poly kala apotelesmata. Ean deite de ta fetina apotelesmata twn eisagwgikwn ejetasewn gia ta panepisthmia, o mesos oros gia tis sxoles poy exoyn megalh zhthsh exei anebei. H poiothta twn ypochfiwn exei beltiwqei.

KAKALHS: Adikh den einai h kritikh. Adiko kai tajiko einai to systhma etsi opws to exete diamorfwsei poy afhnei apejw toys ftwxoys. Akribws ayth einai h pragmatikothta. Eidate poia sxoleia menoyn apejw.

SIDERHS: O baqmos aytos, to 10, den einai o sxolikos baqmos. Einai to orio poy qetei to ypoyrgeio. An prepei na einai chla oi baseis h oxi. An prepei na einai dyskola fetos ta qemata h oxi. Den anaferomaste sto baqmo toy sxoleioy.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, exoyme topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws se ayto to qema. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai jekaqarh. Den perimena na brw kapoion, edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, poy qa isxyrizotan oti qa eprepe oi ypochfioi me poly xamhloys baqmoys, me baqmoys katw apo th bash,na mpainoyn sta panepisthmia.

SIDERHS: Egw allo eipa k. Ekproswpe, oti o baqmos dyskolias einai gio-gio. Ton anebazei kai ton katebazei kaqe xrono to ypoyrgeio. Den einai h antikeimenikh ajia toy maqhth.

ANTWNAROS: Sto deytero skelos ths apanthshs moy sas edwsa sygkekrimenh apanthsh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Exoyme staqerh anodo ths poiothtas twn ypochfiwn fetos. Parakalw na elegjete toys baqmoys gia tis sxoles opoy epideiknyetai megalo endiaferon prokeimenoy na deite ti beltiwsh poiothtas yparxei.

KAKALHS: Gia toys ligoys omws. Paideia gia toys ligoys, ayto einai to orama sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti h ellhnikh Politeia parexei dwrean paideia stoys ligoys.

SARANTAKOS: Gia thn paratash twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs, hqela na rwthsw ean ayth thn apofash thn elabe proswpika o Prwqypoyrgos kai einai omofwnh apofash ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekana pro oligoy. Einai safes to ti eipa. Anaferqhka me safhneia sthn kybernhsh. Einai asteia pragmata ayta gia na ta syzhtame se ayth thn aiqoysa.

SARANTAKOS: Ti ennoeite oti einai asteio;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana sygkekrimenh dhlwsh, h opoia einai safhs. Ean exete kapoia dyskolia na thn antilhfqeite, to problhma den einai diko moy.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela parakalw, otan kanoyme kapoia erwthsh, mh sxoliazete tis erwthseis moy. Ekfraseis opws ``ean den katalabate'', ``einai asteio ayto''@

ANTWNAROS: Qelete na sas diabasw jana th dhlwsh;

SARANTAKOS: Me prosballete, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Mallon eseis prosballete th dikh moy nohmosynh.

SARANTAKOS: Elpizw na eisakoyomai.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh den qa ekdwsei to diatagma gia th lhjh ths Synodoy.

SARANTAKOS: To antilhfqhka. H enstash moy htan sto xarakthrismo peri asteiwn pragmatwn k.t.l@

ANTWNAROS: Oi erwthseis prepei na exoyn kai kapoia oysia, jerete.

SPYRAKH: Yphrxe h eikona oti h astynomia piezei toys katoxoys twn lewforeiwn, toys toyristikoys praktores, na yparjei mia eidikh asfalish sta lewforeia poy pane Lagonhsi. Mia asfalish poy perilambanei asfalish gia katastrofes, gia pyrkagia kai profanws gia tromokratikh energeia. Qelw na rwthsw, ean yparxoyn odhgies pros thn astynomia gia tetoioy eidoys energeies.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw kamia tetoia odhgia.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na epimeinw sto qema ths kontras -moy epitrepete na to lew etsi, einai diko moy sxolio- toy k. Abramopoyloy me ton k. Paylopoylo h mallon to antiqeto, se sxesh me to qema ths parakamchs toy ASEP. Kai milw gia th lejh ``parakamch'' giati sthn oysia ayto zhthse o k. Abramopoylos, bebaia me diakommatikh synainesh, alla opws shmera dhmosieyei h efhmerida ``TO BHMA'' yphrje ena aithma apo dyo boyleytes toy PASOK, oytws wste na parakamftei to systhma proslhcewn kai se ayto h apanthsh apo ton yfypoyrgo Proedrias k. Apostolo Andreoylako htan arnhtikh, legontas oti den yfistatai tetoia dynatothta, oyte proqesh nomoqetikhs parakamchs twn antikeimenikwn kai ajiokratikwn krithriwn toy N.2190/94. Pws einai dynaton apo th stigmh poy epishmws h kybernhsh mesw toy yfypoyrgoy exei aporricei ayto to aithma, na to epanaferei ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs meta apo kapoioys mhnes.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa, akribws logw toy piestikoy xarakthra toy qematos twn noshleytwn, oti kaqe protash h opoia ejasfalisei th diafaneia kai qa einai apotelesmatikh, alimono ean den mporei na syzhthqei.

BLAXOS: Kai th diafaneia qa thn ejasfalisei h diakommatikh Epitroph; Dhladh, boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn, oi opoioi dexontai kaqhmerina pieseis apo toys chfoforoys gia proslhceis; Ayth qa einai antikeimenikh epilogh twn proslhcewn;

ANTWNAROS: Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, exw empistosynh sthn krish twn melwn ths Eqnikhs Antiproswpeias.

KAKALHS: O Eidikos Grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias k. Kyriazidhs eipe ston OOSA oti h syzhthsh gia thn Anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos qa epitrecei thn energopoihsh idiwtikoy tomea sthn anwtath ekpaideysh. Giati h kybernhsh den leei eyqews oti einai yper twn idiwtikwn panepisthmiwn kai aytos einai o stoxos ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs kai mila gia kratika mh kerdoskopika panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw an kai ti eipe to en logw stelexos. Den exw kanena logo na amfisbhthsw oti moy metaferete me akribeia, ayto to opoio feretai na exei pei. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai krystallinh. Yposthrizei thn allagh, thn Anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16 toy Syntagmatos, etsi wste na epitrapei h leitoyrgia mh dhmosiwn, mh kerdoskopikwn Anwtatwn Idrymatwn.

KAKALHS: Dhladh idiwtikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exoyme ejhghsei oti einai diaforetiko to ena apo to allo. Ean exete kapoia dyskolia -pali qa to pw kai lypamai poy to epanalambanw- na antilhfqeite th diafora metajy mh dhmosiwn, mh kerdoskopikwn apo th mia meria, kai idiwtikwn apo thn allh pleyra, den mporw na kanw kati gi ayto.

KAKALHS: Den milw gi esas, kai o k. Kyriazidhs den to katalabainei, o opoios mila eyqews gia idiwtika. Eseis giati den to paradexeste;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete pali na sas pw oti ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos exw thn entolh na paroysiazw tis qeseis ths kybernhshs me apolyth akribeia.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema twn epeisodiwn kai qelw to sxolio ths kybernhshs, ektos toy oti oi astynomikoi den prostateysan toys synadelfoys dhmosiografoys kai operater, yphrje kai enas operater toy ``MEGA'', o opoios kahke apo molotof.

ANTWNAROS: Apo ti moy eipate oti kahke;

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Apo molotof.

ANTWNAROS: Kai exei thn eyqynh gi ayto h astynomia;

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate oti prostateyei toys Ellhnes polites.

ANTWNAROS: Exei ypoxrewsh na prostateyei toys Ellhnes polites kai na anazhtei, opoy yparxoyn, toys enoxoys paranomwn prajewn.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Pera apo ayto, to oti epiteqhkan se dhmosiografoys, den qelw na moy peite gia thn anakoinwsh ths astynomias. To sxolio ths kybernhshs poio einai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti, efoson yparxoyn epiqeseis kata twn dhmosiografwn, aytes tis epiqeseis h kybernhsh, asfalws, tis katadikazei aperifrasta.

IWANNOY: Yparxei ena qema apo xqes otan eginan ayta ta epeisodia. Giati sxedon kamia syllhch se toso ektetamena epeisodia, se ayto mporeite na mas apanthsete; Yparxei kapoia benteta metajy toy k. Polydwra kai twn foithtwn thn opoia plhrwnei telika@

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw poly. Den mporw na ypeiselqw kai na sas dwsw ejhghseis gia qemata poy aptontai twn epixeirhsiakwn drasthriothtwn ths astynomias. Prokeitai gia eidika qemata, ta opoia aforoyn sthn astynomia. Den exw tis texnikes gnwseis gia na sas dwsw apanthseis, oso ki an hqela.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na sas rwthsw, sta epixeirhsiaka sxedia ths astynomias, dinontai odhgies gia th dynatothta twn Ellhnwn politwn na plhroforoyntai ti akribws symbainei se aytoy toy eidoys tis diadhlwseis kai tis poreies;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

SPYRAKH: Dinontai dhladh odhgies, oytws wste na yparxei mia astynomikh prostasia stoys anqrwpoys poy ekeinh thn wra ergazontai sta epeisodia h h antimetwpish einai mono twn diadhlwtwn anejarthtws twn anqrwpwn poy ekteloyn to kaqhkon toys;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh se erwthsh synadelfoy sas. Qa hqela, epishs, na pw oti den mporw na dianohqw oti kaqe dhmosiografos, kaqe eikonolhpths, ektelwntas to epaggelmatiko toy kaqhkon, na parakoloyqei kai na katagrafei mia tetoia poly dyskolh stigmh, qa hqele na exei dipla toy ena h dyo h perissoteroys astynomikoys ws monimoys synodoys.

SPYRAKH: Arkei na mhn toys exei apenanti, k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: H ereyna ths astynomias akribws se ayto apoblepei. Na ejakribwsei ean yparxoyn eyqynes apo ta astynomika organa, gia to sygkekrimeno symban. Kai ean diapistwqoyn aytes oi eyqynes, na eiste sigoyroi oti qa apodoqoyn.

LEONTITSH: Qa hqela na mas ejhghsete to skeptiko ths protrophs sas, otan lete oti oi diadhlwtes prepei@

ANTWNAROS: Oi diorganwtes eipa, oxi diadhlwtes.

LEONTITSH: Oi diorganwtes qa prepei na perifroyroyn tis diadhlwseis toys, dhladh, protrepete toys foithtes h toys ekastote diadhlwtes na symplekontai me mikres omades poy exoyn akraies qeseis;

ANTWNAROS: Se olo ton kosmo, se oles tis eynomoymenes koinwnies, opoy pragmatopoioyntai tetoies kinhtopoihseis, ekdhlwseis, diadhlwseis, yparxoyn kai briskontai tropoi, wste ayta ta stoixeia na apomonwnontai, na einai ektos toy kormoy -an qelete- aytwn twn diadhlwsewn. To pws akribws ayto ginetai, den eimai se qesh egw na sas to pw.

BLAXOS: Yparxoyn kai tropoi stis astynomies poy anaferate, opoy h astynomia toys syllambanei kai toys apomonwnei kai den toys afhnei na dialyoyn to kentro ths Aqhnas treis fores thn ebdomada;

ANTWNAROS: H astynomia exei sygkekrimenh apostolh, sthn opoia kai prospaqei na antapokriqei, oso mporei kalytera.

IWANNOY: Sto synolo twn boyleytwn to lene oti aytoi oi gnwstoi agnwstoi, ayta ta stoixeia ta memonwmena poy gnwrizei h astynomia kai kata kairoys akoyme kai boyleytes kai ypoyrgoys na lene oti einai gnwstoi, einai toso dyskolo na apomonwqoyn epiteloys apo ta organa ths politeias;

ANTWNAROS: Moy zhtate na dieykrinisw ean kati einai dyskolo. Prokeitai gia eidika epixeirhsiaka qemata, gia ta opoia den mporw na sas dwsw sygkekrimenes, leptomereiakes apanthseis. Parakalw gi ayto to qema na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Eimai bebaios oti oi synadelfoi sas poy kalyptoyn ayta ta qemata, exoyn prosbash kai stis antistoixes phges.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kai oses fores exoyn apomonwsei oi diadhlwtes ayta ta stoixeia poy einai sthn oyra ths poreias, kai einai se ena mplok poy perifroyreitai apo astynomikoys synexizoyn na spane kai na kaine xwris na yparjei kamia syllhch, mprosta sta matia twn astynomikwn.

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws, exoyn ginei syllhceis. Eimai bebaios oti akoloyqoyntai ekeines oi diadikasies, poy epiballetai na akoloyqhqoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Molis prin apo liges meres o k. Polydwras eperrice eyqynes sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs, dioti enw eginan syllhceis, telika@

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa ep` aytoy prin dyo ebdomades. Den qa epanelqw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den diafwnw oti eixate apanthsei, epeidh ta epeisodia einai se ejelijh, sigoyra qa dexeste broxh erwthsewn, afoy den qa exoyme syllhceis.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto dinei apanthsh kai sto erwthma toy k. Blaxoy.

BLAXOS: Yponoei o synadelfos oti mhpws exoyme ``leykh'' stash apo thn pleyra twn astynomikwn kai apofeygoyn na kanoyn syllhceis kai akomh ki an kanoyn syllhceis, pane kai toys afhnoyn, opws eipe o k. Polydwras, eleyqeroys.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei h paramikrh endeijh oti parathreitai ena fainomeno san ayto poy molis eseis anaferate.

Sas eyxaristw.

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