Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-05-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 25 Maioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Katateqhke, shmera, apo to Geniko Grammatea ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Apostolo Stayroy sthn Proedro ths Boylhs k. Anna Mpenakh-Caroyda h protash ths Neas Dhmokratias gia th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh, ypogegrammenh apo to synolo twn 163 boyleytwn ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, me prwth thn ypografh toy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias kai Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Qa akoloyqhqei h diadikasia poy problepetai.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epiptei sthn kathgoria twn stratiwtikwn mystikwn h kaseta ths sygkroyshs twn dyo aeroskafwn, kaqws kai h kaseta toy Puma otan plhsiase ton Toyrko piloto;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite;

SIDERHS: Qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta;

ANTWNAROS: Ennoeite ean yparxoyn ta sxetika binteo;

SIDERHS: Apo o,ti jeroyme einai pagia diadikasia na yparxoyn tetoia binteo.

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn me plhroforhse to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas yparxoyn binteo. Den jerw, omws, poso eykrinh einai. Parakalw gia perissoteres leptomereies apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

SIDERHS: Nai, alla einai kai qema politikhs apofashs. Den einai texniko.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

IWANNOY: Kai gia to an qa doqoyn fantazomai, mas parapempete ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

IWANNOY: Xqes, bghkan ena-dyo stoixeia kainoyrgia. An mporeite na mas ta epibebaiwsete h na mas ta diaceysete. Gia paradeigma, ean isxyei ayto poy akoysame xqes apo polloys stratiwtikoys syntaktes oti to SUPER PUMA to ellhniko eftase prin apo to Panameziko karabi.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas exw pei. Sas parapempw sthn arxikh anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

IWANNOY: Apo ta toyrkika mesa shmera legetai oti oi Toyrkoi komantos poy katebhkan sto Panameziko ploio einai ekeinoi poy ekanan thn olh fasaria sth diapragmateysh kai apaithsan na paroyn ton Toyrko piloto mazi toys. Jerete ean isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h diadikasia poy sas anefera, xqes.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos kalese, xqes, thn Agkyra na anaqewrhsei th stash ths. Den eipe, omws, poia stash prepei na anaqewrhsei. Me dedomeno oti h Toyrkia krata thn idia stash edw kai xronia, thn idia stash poy exei epibrabeysei o Prwqypoyrgos, eite sthrizontas ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo, eite enqarrynontas mpiznes sth geitonikh xwra. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h stash poy prepei na anaqewrhsei h Toyrkia; Giati den topoqeteitai eyqews h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai staqerh. Exei paroysiastei, epaneilhmmenws, apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Sas parapempw se aytes tis topoqethseis. H Toyrkia prepei na sebastei kai na efarmosei, prokeimenoy na ginei melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, oles tis proypoqeseis oi opoies tis exoyn teqei apo ta 25 krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KAKALHS: Qelw na moy peite mia dhlwsh toy k. Karamanlh ws Prwqypoyrgoy pleon, oxi ws Proedroy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, poy na leei oti yparxei qema parabiashs twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn sto Aigaio. San Prwqypoyrgos den exei qesei kanena tetoio qema.

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabazw th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy apo th synenteyjh Typoy poy eixe dwsei sthn Ekqesh Qessalonikhs ton perasmeno Septembrio: ``Yparxei h anagkh h Toyrkia na sebastei plhrws tis desmeyseis poy exei analabei''. Oi desmeyseis poy exei analabei h Toyrkia -kai den mporw egw ayth th stigmh na sas kanw analysh twn sxetikwn keimenwn, ta opoia eseis ws dhmosiografoi asfalws ta gnwrizete- anaferontai se sygkekrimena qemata, perigrafoyn sygkekrimenh symperifora, thn opoia h Toyrkia prepei na akoloyqhsei, prokeimenoy na ginei melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. H symperifora ayth parakoloyqeitai, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai synektimatai apo oles tis 25 xwres poy einai melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

PAPAMIXAHL: Qelw na rwthsw, ean ayth h xqesinh anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros thn Toyrkia na egkataleicei symperifores poy den synadoyn me tis sxeseis kalhs geitonias, mporei na ermhneytei, kata kapoio tropo, ws krithrio-proypoqesh gia thn synexish ths entajiakhs poreias ths Toyrkias. An dhladh qa qesei h Ellada kapoia eidikh proypoqesh gia th synexish ths entajiakhs ths poreias.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai poly safhs. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei qesei sygkekrimena krithria basei twn opoiwn qa dexqei thn Toyrkia stoys kolpoys ths. Merika apo ayta ta krithria einai oi sxeseis kalhs geitonias, h eirhnikh dieyqethsh diaforwn, h proseggish me toys geitones. Sas lew me apla logia oti ayta einai ta krithria ta opoia exei qesei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh sthn Toyrkia. Emeis eimaste mia apo tis 25 xwres-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. O Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, htan para poly safhs. Synektimwntai ola ayta. Poio periektikh lejh den mporei na xrhsimopoihsei kaneis gia na perigracei ayto akribws poy ginetai.

PAPAMIXAHL: Pantws, ean den ekplhrwqoyn ayta ta krithria, mporei na teqei kai zhthma beto apo thn pleyra ths xwras mas.

ANTWNAROS: Mh moy ypoballete ypoqetikes erwthseis tis opoies den prokeitai bebaiws na apanthsw. H qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy den nomizw oti afhnei kamia amfibolia gia th synektimhsh olwn akribws twn stoixeiwn ths symperiforas ths Toyrkias sto dromo poy prepei na akoloyqhsei gia thn Eyrwph.

BLAXOS: Exete ena sxolio gia th qesh yper twn toyrkikwn ajiwsewn sto Aigaio poy ejefrase prin apo ligo o ekproswpos toy Steit Ntipartment;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw th qesh ayth. Synepws, den exw kanena sxolio. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

BLAXOS: Sygnwmh, nomiza oti thn jerate. Egw thn jerw, alla den thn jerw akribws@

ANTWNAROS: Synepws, efoson den th gnwrizete akribws, parakalw na plhroforhqeite to akribes periexomeno ths kai katopin na thn ypobalete pros sxoliasmo sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

BLAXOS: Yparxei dhlwsh toy ekproswpoy toy Steit Ntipartment, o opoios mila gia to epeisodio sto Aigaio kai pairnei qesh yper twn ajiwsewn ths Toyrkias.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh h erwthsh sas emperiexei sxoliasmo, ton opoio egw den mporw na dextw ek twn proterwn oti periexetai sthn topoqethsh, parakalw na ypobalete to erwthma sas sto ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws ``eirhnikh dieyqethsh diaforwn''. Exoyme polles diafores me thn Toyrkia;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme mia diafora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: O oros ``eirhnikh epilysh diaforwn'' @

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exei shmasia.

ANTWNAROS: O oros ``eirhnikh epilysh diaforwn'' einai oros ths dieqnoys diplwmatikhs praktikhs. Einai genikh diatypwsh, den leme pote ``eirhnikh epilysh diaforas''. ``Diaforwn'', ston plhqyntiko einai o synhqhs dieqnhs oros. Ayto akribws ennooysa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Katalaba ti qelete na moy peite, alla omws prepei kai eseis prepei na katalabate giati rwthsa.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto poy sas lew

GKOYTZANHS: H lejh ``beto'' yparxei sto lejilogio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalaba ti ennoeite.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean h lejh ``beto'' sta ellhnotoyrkika, yparxei sto lejilogio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos -den qymamai ayth th stigmh thn akribh diatypwsh- oti h askhsh toy beto einai h askhsh enos dikaiwmatos poy ginetai otan exoyn apotyxei oi synennohseis. Ekfrazomai me epifylajh gia thn akribh diatypwsh. Alla to nohma einai safes. Sthn Eyrwph oi lyseis anazhtoyntai kai briskontai me syzhthsh, me diapragmateyseis, gyrw apo ena trapezi. Exete dei polles xwres na askoyn beto; Oxi qa einai h apanthsh. Ginontai diaboyleyseis, syzhthseis, synennohseis, prospaqeies gia na epilyqoyn me synainetiko tropo ta problhmata poy yparxoyn. Etsi synhqizetai sth dieqnh diplwmatia, sthn opoia h Ellada metexei energa.

BLAXOS: Ti ginetai me to qema twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tipote na prosqesw, peran twn oswn sas exw pei. Yparxei diereynhsh se dikastiko epipedo.

BLAXOS: Qewreite oti h Dikaiosynh kwlysiergei;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh anamenei thn ekbash ths dikastikhs diereynhshs toy qematos.

BLAXOS: Oso xrono ki an parei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa k. Blaxo.

BLAXOS: Ara, yparxei qema me th Dikaiosynh. Ayto mas lete.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Mporeite na mas peite jekaqara ean yphrje parabiash h parabash apo toyrkika F-16 kai to Fantom;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa periexontai sthn anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

KYRITSHS: Hqela na rwthsw, ean exei kapoia ektimhsh h kybernhsh sxetika me to poioi einai oi stoxoi ths Toyrkias sxetika me to FIR Aqhnwn kai an to proxqesino peristatiko entassetai se aytoys toys stoxoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den protiqemai na kanw analysh ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths Toyrkias se ayth thn aiqoysa.

KYRITSHS: Exei kapoia analysh h ellhnikh kybernhsh ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kamia analysh tetoioy eidoys.

KYRITSHS: Sxetika me thn proslhch sthn agrofylakh, stoys katalogoys poy exoyn kykloforhsei den yparxoyn kaqoloy gynaikes. Ayto erxetai se eyqeia antiqesh me tis odhgies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai thn ish metaxeirish twn gynaikwn sthn apasxolhsh. Kai epeidh syzhteitai sth Boylh ayto to nomosxedio hqela na moy peite, ean protiqetai h kybernhsh na to diorqwsei, wste kai na einai symfwno me thn koinotikh nomoqesia kai na mhn yparxei kai h profanhs adikia na mhn yparxoyn gynaikes sto Swma ayto, asxeta me to an kaneis qewrei oti prepei na sygkrothqei h oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kata poso ayto poy lete isxyei kai qa sas enhmerwsw.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kalh geitonia kai h eirhnikh epilysh twn diaforwn symperilambanontai sta krithria ths entajiakhs poreias ths Toyrkias, ontws etsi einai, dhladh h kybernhsh exei anaqesei kai perimenei th lysh twn ``diaforwn'' sto Aigaio apo tis Bryjelles;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den exete antilhfqei pws leitoyrgei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite@.na analabei h kybernhsh opoiadhpote prwtoboylia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, oson afora ta problhmata poy yparxoyn sto Aigaio.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai oyte o xronos, oyte o topos gia na kanw seminaria peri eswterikhs leitoyrgias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai na sas analysw pws leitoyrgei h arxh ths allhleggyhs kai pws synergazontai ta krath-melh metajy toys.

KAKALHS: To exoyme dei.

ANTWNAROS: Sxolia mporeite na kanete ekei opoy ergazeste. Den mporeite, omws, na me empodisete na kanw thn topoqethsh thn opoia qelw, me endiameses parembaseis.

KAKALHS: Dialogos ginetai. Syzhthsh ginetai.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, kanete laqos. Den ginetai dialogos se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ypoballete erwthseis kai dinw apanthseis. Den einai xwros dialogoy. Einai xwros enhmerwshs.

KAKALHS: An moy epitrepete, mia erwthsh akomh. An h kybernhsh einai yper ths epidiaithsias twn diaforwn, yper ths parapomphs mallon twn problhmatwn toy Aigaioy sthn epidiaithsia opws eipe o boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Gewrgiadhs.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw thn en logw dhlwsh. Oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai safeis. Tis exoyme paroysiasei epaneilhmmenws. Sas parapempw s` aytes gia na tis melethsete.

SIDERHS: Lete oti o k. Gewrgiadhs den tis exei melethsei;

ANTWNAROS: Oi boyleytes, opws gnwrizete -kai to exw pei epaneilhmmenws- exoyn to dikaiwma, ws eklegmenoi ekproswpoi toy ellhnikoy laoy, na ekferoyn tis proswpikes toys apoceis sta plaisia toy Syntagmatos kai ths keimenhs nomoqesias.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthmata. To ena einai an htan grapto h proforiko to aithma twn Toyrkwn gia na paralaboyn ton piloto toys.

ANTWNAROS: Xqes den hsastan edw. Exw apanthsei ep` aytoy. Parepemca gia to eidiko ayto qema sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Den gnwrizw posoi apo osoys parepemca ekei xqes, eqesan to erwthma sto armodio Ypoyrgeio. Exw thn aisqhsh oti kanenas den to ekane, dioti to mono poy toys endiefere htan na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis sthn aiqoysa@

KORAH: Afoy opws eipate xqes, exete asxolhqei toso poly, giati den mas to lete; Gia na exoyme agwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipa kai xqes, shmasia exei oti ypeblhqh toyrkiko aithma. Ayto, allwste, perilambanetai kai sthn arxikh anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Eqnikhs Amynas.

KORAH: Epeidh eqesa sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn to erwthma kai den phra apanthsh, dioti epeidh diabasa me megalh prosoxh ta osa eipate xqes edw kai epeidh kai ekei den yparxei apanthsh, qa hqela na jerw an qa mas dwsei h kybernhsh mia apanthsh ean htan grapto h proforiko to erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eipa na apeyqynqoyn osoi endiaferontai sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

KORAH: Dedomenoy oti to teleytaio symban den ephreazei to tajidi ths k. Mpakogiannh sthn Agkyra, to opoio qa pragmatopoihqei kanonika, opws kai h idia eipe, stis 10 Ioynioy. Exoyme kati neotero gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h prwth proseggish ths ellhnikhs pleyras, dhmosiws dia toy ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, efoson synebh h sygkroysh, einai oti eprokeito gia atyxhma. Shmera erxontai sto fws ths dhmosiothtas stoixeia kai deixnoyn oti oi Toyrkoi eixan programmatisei na proxwrhsoyn sth fwtografhsh twn qesewn twn S-300. Qelw na rwthsw an h telikh ektimhsh ths kybernhshs einai an prokeitai gia atyxhma h gia eskemmenh energeia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa kai xqes oti prokeitai gia ena dysaresto symban, toy opoioy oi akribeis synqhkes diereynwntai.

IWANNOY: Sto idio qema qelw na kanw dyo erwthseis. Eipame oti h Toyrkia zhthse adeia. Xqes o ANT1 paroysiase ena eggrafo me bash to opoio h Toyrkia aplws anakoinwse stis ellhnikes arxes oti qa probei se diaswsh kai ereyna sta dieqnh ydata. To gnwrizete ayto to xarti;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw kai sas parapempw jana se ayto, einai h anakoinwsh toy ekproswpoy Typoy toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Eqnikhs Amynas, me hmeromhnia 23 Maioy 2006, opoy anaferetai metajy twn allwn: ``Sth synexeia, katopin aithmatos ths toyrkikhs pleyras epetraph h paralabh toy Toyrkoy xeiristoy apo to toyrkiko elikoptero, to opoio katefqase metepeita sthn perioxh''. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

IWANNOY: To xarti poy sas lew afora thn ereyna kai th diaswsh. Oti den zhthsan, alla apla enhmerwsan oti qa proboyn@

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

IWANNOY: Wraia. Kai to deytero erwthma: Xqes akoysame oloi stis thleoraseis mas, apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias na legetai oti telika eftaige o Ellhnas pilotos. Rwtw an symmerizetai h kybernhsh ayth thn ekdoxh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas diabazw: ``O toyrkikos sxhmatismos apoteloymenos apo ena aeroskafos RF-4 kai dyo F-16'' -kai den kanw tipota allo apo to na sas diabazw thn epishmh anakoinwsh toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Eqnikhs Amynas- ``eishlqe sto FIR Aqhnwn, xwris kataqesh sxedioy pthsews kai kinhqhke pros thn perioxh boreiws ths nhsoy Krhths, parabiazontas etsi toys kanones enaerioy kykloforias. Ellhnikos sxhmatismos apoteloymenos apo dyo aeroskafh F-16, symfwna me tis diatajeis toy ICAO gia th diasfalish ths dieqnoys aeroploias, ekinhqh me skopo thn anagnwrish twn agnwstwn ixnwn''. Apo to edafio poy sas diabasa molis ginetai perissotero apo safes poios ferei thn eyqynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Eipate kai eseis prohgoymenws, to exete pei kai alles fores oti olh h symperifora ths Toyrkias qa synektimhqei ton Oktwbrio.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sth xqesinh moy eisagwgikh topoqethsh, h opoia htan safhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai emfanes oti h kybernhsh prosdoka kapoia pragmata, polla h liga, apo olh ayth th diadikasia. Ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai ean skeftetai parallhla kai kapoies alles politikes enanti ths Toyrkias. Opws gia paradeigma, endexomenws, o apeyqeias dialogos kai den ennow sto epipedo twn texnokratwn, ennow se epipedo ychlotero kai politiko.

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa, oti o dialogos metajy xwrwn oi opoies einai melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai xwrwn oi opoies einai ypochfia melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, einai synexhs. Ypoyrgoi twn dyo aytwn pleyrwn synantwntai sxedon kaqe mhna, me diafores aformes. Synepws, oi epafes ginontai. Jerete, allwste, oti o Prwqypoyrgos synanthse prosfata dyo fores ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias. Synepws, den antilambanomai ti diaforetiko yponoeite oti qa mporoyse na ginei.

GKOYTZANHS: Ejartatai apo to ti syzhtoyn. Giati syzhthsan ontws gia tis toyristikes antallages, gia tis oikonomikes sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Katalabainete oti ypo ayth th sygkyria poy briskomaste, einai ligo diaforetiko twra to plaisio.

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino poy exei shmasia kai sto opoio emeis apoblepoyme kai qeloyme na pisteyoyme oti ekei qa prepei na apoblepei kai h geitona xwra, einai h plhrhs ejomalynsh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

SIDERHS: Me kaqe timhma;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada den plhrwnei kanena timhma sthn ejwterikh politikh ths. Qelw, omws, na staqw sto oti sebomaste aperiorista oloys ekeinoys poy me aytoqysia, me olh thn epaggelmatikh eparkeia poy diaqetoyn, yperaspizontai ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths xwras. Kai den pisteyw oti kaneis mesa se ayth thn aiqoysa qa prepei na amfisbhthsei oti h Ellada exei thn ypoxrewsh, exei to kaqhkon na yperaspizetai me ola ta mesa poy diaqetei, ta kyriarxika ths dikaiwmata. Kai gi` ayto akribws, to proxqesino symban einai idiaitera dysaresto. Dioti sth diarkeia ayths ths yperaspishs twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn yphrje enas foros aimatos, yphrje mia apwleia.

BLAXOS: Gia to BBC qa kanete sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Sxetika me ti;

BLAXOS: To BBC exei paroysiasei ena reportaz me to opoio amfisbhtei thn asfaleia twn pthsewn twn politikwn aeroskafwn sto Aigaio kai exei mia dhlwsh enos eidikoy, ypotiqetai, o opoios leei oti einai qema xronoy na pesei ena stratiwtiko aeroskafos, eite ths Ellados eite ths Toyrkias, panw se ena politiko aeroskafos. Den to jerete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ayto to opoio moy metaferete. Ekeino to opoio qa sas pw einai oti h Ellada me idiaiterh prosoxh, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn poy ths exoyn anateqei dieqnws, frontizei gia thn asfaleia ths aeroploias s` ayto to xwro o opoios akribws logw ths gewgrafikhs toy domhs einai stayrodromi pollwn pthsewn politikwn aeroskafwn, ta opoia dierxontai pros diaforoys dieqneis proorismoys. Kai en pash periptwsei, as apofeygoyme thn epanalhch tetoiwn anohtwn ypoqesewn, poy opws moy metaferete periexontai se jena reportaz.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Ti leei h kybernhsh gia ta osa eipe o k. Maniatakhs, oti prepei na diplasiastei h timh toy hlektrikoy reymatos;

ANTWNAROS: To erwthma ayto exei teqei para polles fores. Epanalambanw oti isxyei sto akeraio h apanthsh poy exei dwsei o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs o k. Sioyfas, oti dhladh ta timologia ths DEH kaqorizontai apo thn kybernhsh kai malista me apofash toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy Anaptyjhs.

PAPAMIXAHL: Ti apanta h kybernhsh sto PASOK poy kanei logo gia ypoxwrhtikothta, gia gymnia ths kybernhshs sthn ejwterikh politikh kai gia egkataleich ths symfwnias toy Elsinki;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei staqerh qesh. Sas eipa kai prohgoymenws oti xaris akribws sth staqerh ayth topoqethsh ths kybernhshs, sthn atalanteyth politikh poy akoloyqoyme, h Toyrkia brisketai ypo diarkh elegxo, kata th diadromh poy kanei me stoxo thn entajh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synanthqei me toys Prytaneis kai eipate oti yphrje kai taytish apocewn tote.

ANTWNAROS: Einai h deyterh h h trith fora poy moy ginetai h idia erwthsh. Den edwsa akribws ayth thn apanthsh. Apanthsa gia taytish stoys basikoys ajones. Ayto sas eixa pei, an qymamai kala.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, taytish apocewn stoys basikoys ajones.

ANTWNAROS: Akribws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai apo thn epomenh arxise apergia, ekleisan ta Panepisthmia. Ti qa kanei h kybernhsh gi` ayto to pragma;

ANTWNAROS: Sta qemata ths Paideias qa topoqethqei ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh poy ginetai sth Boylh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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