Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-14

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Aqhna, 14 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei shmera, stis 19.00, me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs k. Dhmhtrh Abramopoylo.

Ayrio Tetarth, 15 Martioy 2006, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei, stis 09.30, me thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh.

Epishs, ayrio, stis 12.15, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Belgioy k. Ferxofstant, o opoios pragmatopoiei episkech ergasias sthn Ellada. Amesws meta, stis 13.00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei geyma pros timhn toy Prwqypoyrgoy toy Belgioy kai twn synergatwn toy sto Megaro Majimoy.

Qa hqela na sas pw dyo logia mono, giati bebaiws ginontai synexeis anakoinwseis apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys, gia thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei ston Ebro, me thn yperxeilish ths koiths toy potamoy, se prwtognwra ych gia th xwra mas. H staqmh toy neroy exei jeperasei, opws gnwrizete, logw twn megalwn ydatinwn ogkwn, oi opoioi katebainoyn apo th Boylgaria, aisqhta to ycos twn 6 metrwn. Sygkritika, epishmainw oti to 2003, to anwtato ycos toy neroy eixe ftasei ta 5,83 metra. Brisketai se ejelijh enas plhrhs syntonismos olhs ths kratikhs mhxanhs. Epitopoy briskontai o Ypoyrgos Makedonias-Qrakhs k. Kalatzhs, fysika o Perifereiarxhs kai epishs o Genikos Grammateas Politikhs Prostasias k. Foyrlas. Syntonizoyn to ergo olwn twn synergeiwn apo diafora ypoyrgeia kai apo diafores yphresies ths kratikhs mhxanhs, ta opoia briskontai ekei. Ayth th stigmh, h katastash elegxetai. Opws sas eipa, omws, h kaqodos ydatinwn ogkwn apo to borra einai megalh. Gi` ayto h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh pleyra exei zhthsei apo th boylgarikh pleyra, apo opoy proerxontai ayta ta ydata, logw ths thjews twn pagwn kai twn broxoptwsewn, na perioristei, ei dynaton na stamathsei, h ekroh aytwn twn ydatwn pros thn ellhnikh pleyra, gia 24 wres.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Pws;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn tropoi. Qa hqela na prosqesw, gia mia akomh fora, oti prwto melhma olwn osoi metexoyn sthn prospaqeia h opoia ginetai epi topoy, einai na prostateyqoyn bebaiws oi katoikoi kai oi perioysies toys. Gia opoiesdhpote alles ejelijeis sto qema, qa exete bebaiws enhmerwsh apo ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo, o opoios enhmerwnei synexws ton Prwqypoyrgo, kai o opoios, ean parastei anagkh, qa metabei kai o idios shmera sthn perioxh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh, alla kai eseis se ayto to dietes diasthma, den exete parei ta katallhla metra gia th dieyqethsh ths koiths toy Ebroy se synergasia me tis dyo kybernhseis ths Boylgarias kai ths Toyrkias, me apotelesma kaqe fora na trexete ekei, o Prwqypoyrgos, oi ypoyrgoi k.lp. Na kanete, ti; Na stamathsete ta nera;

ANTWNAROS: H kratikh mhxanikh brisketai se egrhgorsh. Oi synennohseis, opws eixame pei kai palaiotera, me tis dyo geitonikes xwres briskontai se ejelijh. Den prokeitai gia qema to opoio lynetai apo th mia mera sthn allh. Oi dieyqethseis apaitoyn poly leptoys xeirismoys kai oi synennohseis aytes synexizontai. Ginontai, opws gnwrizete, kai mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy. Einai ena qema poy afora treis xwres. Aytes oi xwres, loipon, prepei na broyn koinh lysh se ena problhma poy yparxei.

SARANTAKOS: Telika poia einai h apofash ths kybernhshs, qa energopoihsei th dynatothta poy exei gia thn agora 10 prosqetwn polemikwn aeroskafwn; Giati h proqesmia lhgei, nomizw, stis 23 Martioy.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa sas eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos. Den exw na prosqesw tipote.

SARANTAKOS: Den eteqh to qema sth synanthsh poy eixan shmera to prwi o Prwqypoyrgos me thn k. Mpakogiannh kai ton k. Meimarakh; Htan allo to qema ths synanthshs toys;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe xqes o k. Roysopoylos gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

BLAXOS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma shmera ston ADESMEYTO toy k. Rizoy, poy milaei gia thn ypopth istoria me th dolofonia toy odhgoy enos forthgoy, to opoio qa metefere kapoia ylika ths Vodafone sth Qessalonikh. H kybernhsh ejetazei ean ayth h dolofonia toy odhgoy sxetizetai me to qema twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den kanei dikastikes ereynes, oyte bebaia astynomikes. Ayto einai qema twn astynomikwn arxwn kai ths Dikaiosynhs.

BLAXOS: Shmera diabazoyme stis efhmerides kati poy eipe o k. Boylgarakhs xqes, sto aeroplano, phgainontas me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, sth Libyh. Dhladh, epishmainetai oti ekane apajiwtikoys xarakthrismoys enantion toy G. Papandreoy kai toy M. Ebert, enw epishs apofainetai oti h aytoktonia Tsalikidh einai aytoktonia kai oti para ta epikoinwniaka kolpa toy k. Diwth, telika qa anagkastei na pei kai aytos oti einai aytoktonia. Eseis moy eipate oti h kybernhsh den kanei ereynes. Pws o k. Boylgarakhs exei ereynhsei kai exei katalhjei sthn apofash oti h aytoktonia Tsalikidh htan aytoktonia kai den sxetizetai me to qema twn ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Epikoinwnhsa me ton k. Boylgarakh, o opoios me enhmerwse oti eixe kata th diarkeia ths pthshs, synodeyontas ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, mia off the record syzhthsh me toys dhmosiografoys, h opoia en merei kai apo orismena Mesa, apodoqhke me diastreblwmeno tropo. To gegonos ths mh thrhshs toy off the record kai akomh perissotero to gegonos oti apodoqhkan osa eipe se mia xalarh syzhthsh poy eixe off the record o Ypoyrgos me toys dhmosiografoys kai malista me tropo diastreblwmeno einai apolytws antideontologiko.

BLAXOS: Rwthsate na sas pei, ti akribws@;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh moy einai safestath.

BLAXOS: To katalaba ayto. Afoy leei oti meteferan diastreblwmena ta osa eipe, ton rwthsate ti eipe gia na mas ta metaferete@

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo, profanws katagracate mono to prwto miso ths topoqethshs moy.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite, prosdwsate to xarakthrismo ``xalarh syzhthsh'' toy k. Boylgarakh@

ANTWNAROS: Eipa ``xalarh syzhthsh, off the record''.

SARANTAKOS: Gia mia allh xalarh syzhthsh poy eixe palaiotera ena melos ths kybernhshs apopemfqhke gi` ayto. O k. Markogiannakhs. Yparxoyn xalares kai mh xalares@

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes to ti eipa. Profanws, den qelete na to katagracete.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo to zhthma toy ``off the record'', o stoxos ths kybernhshs einai aytos akribws poy eipe o k. Boylgarakhs, na jexastei to zhthma stis epomenes 10-15 hmeres; Giati h kybernhsh enoxleitai apo to qema ths dhmosiothtas;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Den gnwrizw to periexomeno ths off the record syzhthshs toy k. Boylgarakh. Deyteron: H kybernhsh exei ena kai mono stoxo sto sygkekrimeno qema: Na xyqei apleto fws -to lew gia pollosth fora se ayth thn aiqoysa- sth sygkekrimenh ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. H kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths einai qymata ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs kai epimenoyn oti ola ta stoixeia prepei na apokalyfqoyn.

KAKALHS: Safws, alla o k. Mhtsotakhs prosqese shmera oti diafwnei me toys xeirismoys toy kai ara mhpws enoxlei thn kybernhsh oti anadeiknyetai h eyqynh ths, oson afora to qema twn xeirismwn.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio se dhlwseis toy epitimoy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw katanow thn antidrash sas se ayta. Alla, qa moy epitrecete na rwthsw, estw kai ws qyma, epitrepetai enas Prwqypoyrgos na einai qyma ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas pw kati poy exoyme pei kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa: Egklhmata, paranomes prajeis, oso kaloi kai na einai oi nomoi poy prostateyoyn mia Politeia, den mporoyn panta na apofeygontai. Ginontai. Oi ypoklopes einai ena egklhma poy egine kata ths kybernhshs kai kata toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den diafwnw.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh exei, ayth th stigmh, thn armodiothta na ereynhsei kai na katalhjei sta symperasmata ths.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epitrepetai, omws, enas Prwqypoyrgos na einai qyma ypoklopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den moy apantate.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai sas apanthsa. Sas eipa oti oso kaloi ki an einai oi nomoi, paranomes prajeis kai egklhmata, dystyxws gia oloys mas, ginontai.

SIDERHS: Den nomizete oti exei paratrabhjei ayth h istoria me ton k. Mhtsotakh poy den ton sxoliazete, k. Ekproswpe; O k. Mhtsotakhs den einai Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Den exei kanena tetoio qesmiko rolo, wste na mhn epidexetai kritikh gia na mhn diataraxtoyn oi politeiakes isorropies gia na apodwsete ton ofeilomeno sebasmo sto qesmo.

ANTWNAROS: Ti wra exete ekpomph k. Siderh;

SIDERHS: Einai aithma na milate gia ton k. Mhtsotakh, ektos ki an ton fobaste h den qelete na ton ereqisete, me ayth thn ennoia.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na kanete ta sxolia sas sthn ekpomph sas.

BLAXOS: Otan o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras einai qyma -kai einai qyma- ypoklopwn, shmainei oti kapoioi armodioi ypoyrgoi htan axrhstoi. Poioi einai aytoi oi axrhstoi ypoyrgoi poy den prostateysan akomh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parapemcw kai esas sth dikh sas ekpomph.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite. Erwthsh ekana. Lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos htan@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Kanete apreph sxoliasmo gia ypoyrgoys. Sas diabebaiwnw oti oloi oi ypoyrgoi kanoyn kala th doyleia toys.

BLAXOS: Wraia. Tote, poios ftaiei gia to gegonos oti@

ANTWNAROS: To poios ftaiei einai apostolh ths Dikaiosynhs na to brei. Einai kati poy dystyxws, para th synexh epanalhch poy kanoyme se ayth thn aiqoysa kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw, den qelete na to kanete apodekto. Den einai doyleia ths kybernhshs na brei toys enoxoys.

BLAXOS: Alla, poianoy einai;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Einai ths Dikaiosynhs.

BLAXOS: Ma, me sygxwreite. Einai allos o rolos ths kybernhshs kai allos o rolos ths Dikaiosynhs. Se ayth th xwra yparxei kai kybernhsh. Den exw katalabei. Eseis, dhladh, qewreite@

ANTWNAROS: Thn ereyna gia mia paranomh prajh th diejagei h Dikaiosynh.

BLAXOS: Den leitoyrgei kybernhsh se ayth th xwra;

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai leitoyrgei kai malista para poly kala.

BLAXOS: Yparxei, loipon, ena terastio qema, to opoio epishmainete. O Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras epese qyma ypoklopwn. Den einai kaneis ypeyqynos apo aytoys toys ypoyrgoys@

ANTWNAROS: Eseis qelete na breite toys ypeyqynoys prin oloklhrwsei thn ereyna ths h Dikaiosynh. Ayto prospaqw na sas pw. Thn ereyna th diejagei h Dikaiosynh.

KAKALHS: Ma, yparxoyn h EYP kai oi astynomikes arxes. Ti exoyn kanei olo ayto to diasthma; Den einai mono qema Dikaiosynhs na metakyleite tis eyqynes@

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn diafora stadia sthn ereyna. Jekina me thn astynomikh ereyna, oloklhrwnetai kai apo ekei phgainei@

KAKALHS: Den exei kataferei tipote.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai diko sas sxolio. Den exete dei ta apotelesmata. Ta apotelesmata qa ta deite otan oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna. Den exw na pw tipote allo panw se ayto.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw katanow thn epimonh sas na apantate stereotypws gi` ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy sas lew einai qema oysias, den einai kaqoloy stereotypo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi. Oi ekfraseis sas einai stereotypes.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na aposxw aytwn twn ekfrasewn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa staqoyme sto sygkekrimeno qema poy eseis anaferate oti o Prwqypoyrgos epese qyma ypoklopwn kai ayto to gegonos, ean symfwneite, exei treis diastaseis. Th nomikh, thn astikh kai thn astynomikh, me thn opoia asxoloyntai oi armodioi foreis, kata nomo. Emeis den qeloyme na mas apanthsete gi` ayta. Oyte edw einai ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs h Dikaiosynhs. Emeis -toylaxiston proswpika egw- endiaferomai na maqw thn politikh eyqynh aytoy toy egklhmatos kai thn antidrash ths kybernhshs. Se politiko epipedo, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs poy eiste.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, sas eipa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Na sebeste th nohmosynh mas.

ANTWNAROS: Den thn ypotimw kaqoloy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: E, ma, pws; Otan@

ANTWNAROS: Qelw na sas pw to ejhs: Gia na teqei endexomenws qema politikhs eyqynhs h opoiasdhpote allhs eyqynhs, prepei prwta na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna. Dioti, ayth th stigmh, polles parametroi toy sygkekrimenoy qematos, epeidh akribws den exei oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna, endexomenws den einai gnwstes. Prepei, loipon, na oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai meta qa milhsoyme gia otidhpote allo.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, qewreite oti to qema twn ypoklopwn den aggizei thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias sth xwra mas; Ayto mas lete twra;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai dika sas symperasmata.

BLAXOS: Den aggizei thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias, otan parakoloyqeitai to thlefwno toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo, den prokeitai na antapokriqw sthn prospaqeia sas na kanoyme syzhthsh me krayges entypwsiasmoy. Sas diatypwsa mia sygkekrimenh qesh, sas thn exei diatypwsei o k. Roysopoylos, sas thn exoyn diatypwsei oi armodioi ypoyrgoi.

BLAXOS: Egw, loipon, janarwtw: Aggizei thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias, opws leitoyrgei to qema twn ypoklopwn; Poia einai h qesh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Otan oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna, h opoia qa ginei, qa janamilhsoyme gia ola ta qemata poy sxetizontai.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Eipate oti gia na teqei qema politikhs eyqynhs prepei na teleiwsei h ereyna.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den to eipa akribws etsi. Sas eipa oti gia na syzhthqei, ean yparxei endexomenws qema politikhs eyqynhs, qa prepei prohgoymenws na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: ``Endexomenws''. Opote yparxei periptwsh na yparxoyn politikes eyqynes, ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ean den exei oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna, pws qa jerw ti eidoys eyqynes yparxoyn; Moy zhtate na katalogisw eyqynes prin oloklhrwqei h ereyna;

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Den qelw na katalogisete, to afhnete anoikto, omws. Oti mporei na yparxoyn politikes eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, o k. Papadopoylos, milhse molis pro oligoy gia astikes eyqynes, milhse gia diaforwn eidwn eyqynes. Pws qa milhsoyme gia eyqynes, ean den exei oloklhrwqei h ereyna;

SIDERHS: Pantws eisagete mia kainoyrgia qewria. Tosa xronia sthn antipoliteysh den perimenate na oloklhrwqoyn oi dikastikes ereynes gia na apodwsete politikes eyqynes, para zhtoysate paraithseis. Twra poy eiste sthn ejoysia den apodexeste thn prwhn praktikh sas kai thn antigyrizete.

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia kai ws antipoliteysh kai ws kybernhsh eixe kai exei apolyto sebasmo pros th Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Alla zhtoysate paraithseis kaqe ligo kai ligaki.

KAKALHS: Apo th Dikaiosynh perimenete na anadeijei tis politikes eyqynes; Synhqws h Dikaiosynh@

ANTWNAROS: Eidate pali; Sas dieykrinisa ti ennow kai speydete na moy apodwsete fraseis tis opoies egw den eipa. Eipa oti opoiasdhpote morfhs eyqynes, endexomenws yparxoyn, politikes, astikes -o k. Papadopoylos milhse molis prohgoymenws gia astikes- qa kriqoyn, ean yparxoyn, efoson oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna.

KAKALHS: Ypainisseste oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes, dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, pws qelete na katalhjw, na sas pw ean yparxoyn eyqynes, aytes h alles h trites, ean den exei oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna; Den prokeitai na katalhjw se symperasmata.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Basei twn oswn eipate, gia na mhn pelagodromoyme, qa isxysei, dhladh, o,ti isxyse kai sthn periptwsh toy Sinoyk; Ekei yphrjan, teleiwsan oi diadikasies twn ereynwn k.lp. gia na exoyme@

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Ayth th stigmh, den eimai se qesh na sas pw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Politika rwtw. Eimai poly eyaisqhtos se ayto kai oi erwthseis moy einai politikes pros ton Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs. Dioti meiwnetai h ajiopistia -gnwmh moy einai- otan me parapempete sto peras twn energeiwn ths Dikaiosynhs kai ths Astynomias k.lp. gia na bgei h politikh eyqynh. Sto Sinoyk bghkan ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai proxqes oti eite mas aresei, eite den mas aresei oi ryqmoi ths dikastikhs ereynas den einai dhmosiografikoi ryqmoi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epimenw sthn politikh erwthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Kai egw politika sas apantw, dioti emeis panw ap` ola bazoyme th Dikaiosynh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nai. Oi politikes eyqynes katalogisthkan sthn periptwsh toy Sinoyk;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa: Se tetoia qemata, panw ap` ola bazoyme th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs.

BLAXOS: Gi` ayto to dhmosieyma poy anaferei gia th dolofonia toy odhgoy toy forthgoy me ta proionta ths Vodafone, yparxei kapoia proqesh ths kybernhshs na dwsei gia peraiterw diereynhsh toy qematos stis dikastikes kai astynomikes arxes;

ANTWNAROS: Na dwsei ti h kybernhsh; Epanalambanw: Den kanei h kybernhsh thn ereyna.

BLAXOS: Na dwsei entolh na zhthqei h ejeyresh kapoias lyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Oi epifortismenoi me thn ereyna, eimai sigoyros oti diabazoyn efhmerides kai enhmerwnontai apo ta MME.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh einai anoikth sto endexomeno systashs ejetastikhs epitrophs gia to qema twn ypoklopwn h to exei aporricei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw tipota na sas pw panw se ayto.

KAKALHS: Hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos symmerizetai to orama toy Belgoy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn Enwmenh Eyrwph, opws ayto apotypwnetai sto biblio poy kykloforei.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqeite meta apo tis syzhthseis poy qa exoyn ayrio oi dyo Prwqypoyrgoi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws exete ypoch sas pote qa arqei h politikh epistrateysh twn naytergatwn kai epishs twn palaiwn ergazomenwn sta astika lewforeia;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Apeyqynqeite parakalw sta armodia ypoyrgeia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eixa ypobalei kai mia allh erwthsh pro polloy, alla o k. Roysopoylos me tis synexeis apoysies toy den mporese endexomenws na moy apanthsei. Plhroforoyme apo tis Bryjelles oti yparxei kapoia sxetikh anhsyxia, dioti mexri twra den exoyn labei apanthtikh epistolh apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se aithma toys na ton brabeysoyn ws proswpo toy 2005, sthn Enwsh Mikromesaiwn Epixeirhsewn. Exete kati neotero;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den yparxei kati neotero gi` ayto to qema.

Sas eyxaristw.

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