Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-03-10

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Aqhna, 10 Martioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: O k. Korwnias isxyristhke xqes sthn akroash toy sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs oti oi xeirismoi toys opoioys ekane aytos, ypedeixqhsan apo thn kybernhsh. Ti apantate eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h kataqesh toy k. Korwnia, opws gnwrizete, synexizetai. Einai mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Deyteron, qa sas parakaloysa otan apodidete to periexomeno kataqesewn na eiste akribesteros. Tipote allo.

MIXAHL: Egw na eimai akribesteros h o k. Korwnias;

ANTWNAROS: Se esas apeyqynqhka.

MIXAHL: O k. Korwnias epishs isxyristhke shmera oti aytos paredwse th lista me ta thlefwna ta opoia epishmanqhkan oti parakoloyqoynto sthn kybernhsh. Kai apo kei kai pera, oi xeirismoi aforoyn thn kybernhsh. Ti apantate kai s` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Ekana epaneilhmmenes dhlwseis xqes, oi opoies isxyoyn sto akeraio. Lypamai poy den hsastan parwn sthn aiqoysa.

MIXAHL: To akoysa olo, to diabasa olo.

ANTWNAROS: Wraia. Isxyoyn, loipon, oi xqesines dhlwseis moy. Den exw na prosqesw tipota.

MIXAHL: Eipate xqes, kat` epanalhch, oti h kybernhsh epraje to kaqhkon ths molis eixe thn kataggelia me o,ti stoixeia, ta edwse sth Dikaiosynh. To ti qa kanei h Dikaiosynh h ti ekane, ayto einai mias allhs tajews syzhthsh, toylaxiston gia mena. To erwthma einai: Peran aytoy, peran toy oti edwse sth Dikaiosynh, eseis ws kybernhsh kanate opoiesdhpote alles energeies;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh ekane to kaqhkon ths kai qesmika, opws eixe ypoxrewsh, parepemce to qema sth Dikaiosynh.

GKOYTZANHS: Apo th shmerinh kataqesh toy k. Korwnia, to opoio to akoysa kai egine kai arketh syzhthsh sth Boylh, eipe oti apo thn pistopoihsh poy ekane h Vodafone twn ariqmwn twn thlefwnwn, proekyce ariqmos thlefwnoy poy htan sto onoma Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs. Sas qymizw oti sth synenteyjh Typoy poy eixan dwsei oi treis Ypoyrgoi, den eixan pei tetoio pragma. Eixan pei oti breqhke ena thlefwno to opoio htan sthn etaireia ths oikogeneias toy k. Karamanlh. Ti isxyei telika;

ANTWNAROS: Sth synenteyjh Typoy eipwqhkan alla pragmata apo ayta ta opoia metaferete. Eipan oti yphrxe metajy twn allwn kai ena thlefwno poy htan se etaireia ths oikogeneias Karamanlh. En pash periptwsei, epeidh h sygkekrimenh kataqesh synexizetai, opws sas eipa, den prokeitai na sxoliasw osa moy metaferete eseis edw.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qelw na to sxoliasete. To erwthma einai safes: Yphrxe onoma Kwnstantinos Karamanlhs se ekeina ta opoia edwse h etaireia;

ANTWNAROS: Sas doqhke ekeinh thn hmera sygkekrimenh lista.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi, den doqhke.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti periexetai se ekeinh th lista.

SIDERHS: Se kati allo, kyrie Ekproswpe: Pws niwqete poy katerreyse akomh mia strathgikh epilogh ths kybernhshs; Anaferomai sto qema ths peribohths apografhs gia thn opoia proswpika sas rwtoysa epi 1,5 xrono me monomaniakh syxnothta. Kai moy legate synexeia ``den jerw to qema kai oti kanw laqos''.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eipa tetoio pragma;

SIDERHS: Profanws kanei kai h Eurostat laqos. Oyte gi` ayth thn koroidia poy kanate sto lao, oyte gia th deinh qesh, sthn opoia ferate th xwra, den exei kaneis thn eyaisqhsia na paraithqei; O armodios ypoyrgos poy eishghqhke thn perifhmh apografh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia dikaiologia gia to oti oloi oi arxitektones ths parapoihshs twn ariqmwn, aytoi poy koroidecan gia para polla xronia ton ellhniko lao, oloys toys Ellhnes kai oles tis Ellhnides, alla kai toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys ths Elladas, den exoyn brei mia lejh metameleias. Kai aytoi einai oi kyrioi twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK, oi opoioi san klasikoi egklhmaties epistrefoyn twra ston topo toy egklhmatos kai zhtane kai ta resta.

SIDERHS: Den me noiazei ti kanoyn aytoi.

ANTWNAROS: Loipon, profanws, epeidh diabazete ki eseis, opws kai orismenoi alloi apo toys synadelfoys sas, anakoinwseis ths Eurostat epilektika kai kata to dokoyn, qa hqela na sas epishmanw orismena stoixeia: Prwta ap` ola, to PASOK se mia prospaqeia poly akomcoy entypwsiasmoy, mia apo aytes tis polles prospaqeies poy exei kanei ton teleytaio kairo kai peftoyn oles sto keno, aposiwpa kati poly aplo: Oti h apografh den htan mono gia tis amyntikes dapanes. Oi amyntikes dapanes htan ena mikro kommati ths apografhs. H apografh eixe stoxo tis alxhmeies kai thn katastrofikh dhmioyrgikh logistikh poy kata systhma oloi aytoi poy bgainoyn ws epikrites ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, efarmozan gia para polla xronia. Oi Ellhnes jeroyn para poly kala, poios ``mageireye'' toys ariqmoys. Kai ejakoloyqoyn na perimenoyn th metameleia, th safh sygnwmh toy PASOK gia thn parapoihsh twn stoixeiwn, ta megala elleimmata kai ta terastia xreh.

SIDERHS: Me kathgorhsate oti diabazw kata to dokoyn. Kai exw edw mprosta moy pinaka ths Eurostat, o opoios leei oti an den htan ayto to mikro kommati poy eipate eseis kai poy einai peripoy 70%, den qa eixe yperbei to elleimma to 3%. Qa hmastan mesa stoys stoxoys, den qa piezotan o laos@

ANTWNAROS: Pali den diabazete kala toys ariqmoys: To 2004 6,6%. Gia afaireste thn ypotiqemenh symmetoxh twn amyntikwn dapanwn. Qa peftame pote sto 1,5% poy isxyrizetai to PASOK;

SIDERHS: Den me noiazei ti isxyrizetai to PASOK. O pinakas leei exw ws to 2003 kai to anebasate sto 4,6%, enw htan 0,7%.

ANTWNAROS: Den diabazete kala toys ariqmoys. Thn Ellada, th dikh mas xwra, dysfhmisan oi aparadektes logistikes praktikes toy PASOK, twn ypoyrgwn toy kai toy tote Prwqypoyrgoy, poy ki aytos den briskei kanena logo na zhthsei sygnwmh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me aformh ta osa exete hdh pei, apantwntas ston k. Siderh, dierwtwmai giati to PASOK, afoy ebgale th ``mayrh biblo'' twn dyo xronwn ths Neas Dhmokratias, giati h Nea Dhmokratia den bgazei mia ``mayrh biblo'' twn 20 etwn toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Giati ta osa tragika ekane to PASOK, einai kala apotypwmena sth gnwsh twn Ellhnwn politwn.

SIDERHS: H Eurostat leei na ypologizoyme pleon tis amyntikes dapanes, me ton tropo poy tis ypologize to PASOK. Kai ekei ftaiei to PASOK; Den ftaite eseis poy allajate ton tropo kai erxetai twra h Eurostat kai dikaiwnei to PASOK; Den milw ek meroys toy PASOK. Ws dhmosiografos milaw. Alla kai shmera qa sas to pw gronqokopate thn alhqeia.

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK den ypologize megalo meros twn amyntikwn dapanwn kaqoloy, den tis enegrafe kan ston Proypologismo.

SIDERHS: Tis enegrafe sto dhmosio xreos giati htan me daneismo.

ANTWNAROS: Oi perissoteres amyntikes dapanes poy xrhmatodothqhkan ta teleytaia epta xronia ths diakybernhshs toy PASOK me daneismo, den katagrafhkan.

KAKALHS: O k. Korwnias xqes, amfisbhthse toys isxyrismoys ths kybernhshs se dyo shmeia. An hqelan eipe na broyn ton ypoklopea, as moy elegan na qesw jana to systhma se leitoyrgia. Deyteron, an hqelan, as phgainan ekeinoi sthn Arxh Aporrhtoy. Ayto, telika mhpws shmainei oti h kybernhsh exei kai th qelhsh na bgei sto fws olh h ypoqesh kai kaqodhghse kai ton k. Korwnia s` ayth thn kateyqynsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw ayto poy eipa kai xqes: H kybernhsh einai h prwth poy qelei na xyqei apleto fws se ayth thn ypoqesh. H kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths einai qymata ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs. Einai ta kyriws qymata ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs. Qeloyn na bgoyn ola sth fora, gia na sas to pw me apla ellhnika.

KAKALHS: Akribws ayth th qelhsh amfisbhthse o k. Korwnias, me aytes tis epishmanseis poy sas anefera.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes me safhneia.

KAKALHS: O k. Korwnias eipe epishs oti o ypoklopeas, pathse panw sto logismiko twn nomimwn synakroasewn ths Ericsson.

ANTWNAROS: Gia texnika qemata den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

KAKALHS: To erwthma einai kaqara politiko. Mporei h kybernhsh na elegjei shmera oti mesw twn logismikwn nomimwn synakroasewn twn etaireiwn kinhths thlefwnias den ginontai oles oi paranomes@

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh yposthrizei opoiadhpote bhmata einai na ginoyn, wste na diasfalistei apotelesmatika to aporrhto twn thlefwnikwn syndialejewn.

KAKALHS: O ypoklopeas prepei na einai kapoios organismos poy syndyazei megalh texnologia kai poly megala oikonomika mesa, eipe o k. Korwnias, afhnontas na ennohqei safws oti prokeitai gia kapoion organismo toy ejwterikoy h kai mystikes yphresies apo to ejwteriko. Mhpws meta apo aytes tis dhlwseis gia thn katastash toy k. Korwnia h kybernhsh ejetazei thn kathgorhmatikothta me thn opoia exei apokleisei thn emplokh ths amerikanikhs presbeias kai twn jenwn mystikwn yphresiwn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh perimenei thn ekbash ths ereynas poy dienergei h Dikaiosynh. O k. Korwnias h opoiosdhpote allos apo aytoys poy speydoyn na ekfrasoyn eikasies h isxyrizontai oti exoyn stoixeia, as pane na ta kataqesoyn sth Dikaiosynh. Giati den ta kataqetoyn; Ti einai ayto poy toys krataei;

KAKALHS: Dhladh, epanalambanete me kathgorhmatiko tropo oti den einai h amerikanikh presbeia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas lew, oti h kybernhsh perimenei thn ekbash twn ereynwn ths Dikaiosynhs. Isxyei o,ti sas eipa xqes.

KAKALHS: Nai, to legate kai apo thn arxh. Alla tote, eixate apokleisei thn emplokh ths amerikanikhs presbeias. Twra to epanalambanete;

ANTWNAROS: Tipote den exw na apokleisw h na prosqesw h na afairesw. Mia dikastikh ereyna brisketai se ejelijh. Opoios exei stoixeia na paei na ta kataqesei.

KAPRALOS: Ena sxolio qelw, gia th shmerinh dhmoskophsh, alla kai gia ta poiotika xarakthristika poy aforoyn toso sthn kaqarsh sto xwro ths Dikaiosynhs, oso kai sthn anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn.

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmena oti oi dhmoskophseis einai xrhsima ergaleia doyleias, afoy apotypwnoyn mia sygkekrimenh stigmh tis taseis ayths ths stigmhs. Gia th sygkekrimenh dhmoskophsh, qa hqela na sas pw oti xairomai idiaitera poy oi Ellhnes polites sto mesodiasthma mias systhmatikhs prospaqeias, poy ginetai apo th shmerinh kybernhsh, sthrizoyn me tropo jekaqaro thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai to metarryqmistiko ths ergo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den einai periergo, apo hmera se hmera na allazei toso poly eykola o ellhnikos laos; Giati th mia hmera, thn prohgoymenh ebdomada edeixnan alla, thn epomenh hmera edeixnan alla, twra deixnoyn alla. Pws allazoyn toso eykola oi dhmoskophseis; Den mporw na katalabw. Poioys rwtane;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai eidikos epi twn dhmoskophsewn. Qa hqela omws na epanalabw ayto poy anefera prohgoymenws. Apotypwnoyn mia sygkekrimenh stigmh, thn tash mias sygkekrimenhs stigmhs. Shmasia pantws exei oti koitwntas kaneis tis dhmoskophseis diapistwnei ayto poy sas eipa.

GKOYTZANHS: Ejakoloyqei na isxyei h dhlwsh toy k. Boylgarakh ``eyxaristoyme ton k. Korwnia'';

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa xqes. Profanws den hsastan parwn xqes.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Arxh Diasfalishs toy Aporrhtoy twn Epikoinwniwn, edwse prin apo ligo kairo, stoixeia gia nomimes parakoloyqhseis. Nomizw oti htan to prwto ejamhno toy 2004 kai htan gyrw stis 450 periptwseis@

ANTWNAROS: Einai ligo dyskolo, den leitoyrgoyse tote.

KYRITSHS: Twra edwse ta stoixeia.

ANTWNAROS: To 2004 moy eipate.

KYRITSHS: Gia to 2004. To ypenqymizw ayto, giati o k. Korwnias eipe xqes, oti toy aneteqh kata kapoio tropo apo thn kybernhsh, na ``carecei'' kai tis alles etaireies metajy twn opoiwn kai thn kratikh gia na dei an exoyn antistoixa problhmata. Egw dierwtwmai, me ti logismiko ginontan oi nomimes parakoloyqhseis apo tis alles etaireies, ektos an oles ginontan mesw ths Vodafone, kai mhpws me ayto ton tropo, apokleisqhke apo thn arxh kaqe dynatothta na ginei kai enas oysiastikos elegxos stis alles etaireies, dioti tis eixe proeidopoihsei o k. Korwnias. To sxolio sas panw se ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Ta stoixeia poy moy paraqetete den ta gnwrizw. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio. Apeyqynqeite sthn ADAE.

ARMENHS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti den epetraph stoys ekproswpoys twn MME na eiselqoyn sthn EAB kata thn episkech ths k. Jenogiannakopoyloy;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn xwroi se olo ton kosmo opoy epitrepetai h kinhmatografhsh kai xwroi opoy den epitrepetai. Fysika kai sth xwra mas. Kai oi xwroi poy den epitrepetai, ws gnwston, einai poly ligoi. An ginei pote h k. Jenogiannakopoyloy ypoyrgos Amynas, as epitrecei thn kinhmatografhsh stis stratiwtikes egkatastaseis. H shmerinh kybernhsh, qelw na prosqesw, den sterei to dhmokratiko dikaiwma twn boyleytwn kai fysika twn ekproswpwn twn kommatwn na proselqoyn sthn EAB, synodeyomenoi apo diapisteymenoys dhmosiografoys kai na enhmerwqoyn gia tis drasthriothtes ths etaireias kai na milhsoyn stoys ergazomenoys. Omws, h eisodos radiothleoptikwn Meswn sthn EAB, opws epibaloyn oi kanones diasfalishs toy aporrhtoy kai ypagoreyoyn ta enisxymena metra asfaleias poy efarmozontai kai pagkosmiws allwste -den gnwrizw kamia xwra poy na kanei ejairesh se ayto- orqws den epitrepetai.

KYRITSHS: Akoysa xqes toys ekproswpoys twn ergazomenwn poy eipan oti eprokeito gia to estiatorio. Den einai poly eyaisqhtos xwros. Hqela na rwthsw an phgaine o k. Meimarakhs mexri pro dekapenqhmeroy, qa ton afhnan ap` ejw me thn ntoyntoyka;

ANTWNAROS: Jerete, merikoi epimenoyn na meinoyn ejw me thn ntoyntoyka.

SIDERHS: An moy epitrepei o synadelfos na symplhrwsw, thn perasmenh fora ston OTE, oi kameres epitrepontan ston idio xwro na mpainoyn otan eixe genikh syneleysh o organismos kai den epetraphsan na mpoyne me ton k. Alabano, gia logoys asfaleias egkatastasewn eipan.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to geniko qema exw topoqethqei thn perasmenh ebdomada. Isxyei h topoqethsh moy ths perasmenhs ebdomadas. Topoqethqhke kai o k. Roysopoylos. Milhsa shmera gia sygkekrimeno qema opoy htan safhs h proqesh dhmioyrgias entypwsewn apo to PASOK.

XIWTHS: Eipate sth xqesinh sas dhlwsh oti h apokrych toy tritoy kentroy parakoloyqhshs apo ton k. Korwnia, endexomenws na ypokryptei skopimothtes. Ean epimenete akoma se ayth th dhlwsh, qa hqela na moy peite, ti eidoys skopimothtes qewreite oti metaferei o k. Korwnias;

ANTWNAROS: Moy teqhke akribws h idia erwthsh xqes. Den prokeitai na ermhneysw th dikh moy dhlwsh. O,ti eixa na pw to eipa.

XIWTHS: Antilambaneste omws oti den kathgoreite enan martyra poy h Epitroph qewrei akoma ajiopisto kai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ton egkalei gia skopimothtes, yparxei ena zhthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota se ayto poy eipa. H dhlwsh moy htan diejodikh kai akribhs.

XIWTHS: Eseis qewreite ajiopisto martyra ton k. Korwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Den krinw thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Alimono, ean krinw th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn.

XIWTHS: Den lew na krinete th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs. Lew na krinete thn kataqesh toy k. Korwnia.

ANTWNAROS: O en logw kyrios kataqetei se Epitroph ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn.

KAKALHS: Telika, se o,ti afora to qema twn ypoklopwn, se poio shmeio briskomaste; H Vodafone den jerei tipota gia to egklhma twn ypoklopwn. H Ericsson epishs. H kybernhsh exei anaqesei to qema sth dikaiosynh kai epishs den jerei tipota gia toys drastes. Moy lete, o ellhnikos laos apo poioys qa maqei thn alhqeia;

ANTWNAROS: Exw na sas kanw mia protash: Na epitrecete, opws symbainei se oles tis Dhmokraties, sth Dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths.

GKOYTZANHS: Argei poly.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh den leitoyrgei me dhmosiografikoys xronoys.

KAKALHS: Den moy apanthsate, omws, sto prohgoymeno erwthma, poy ston kosmo h dikaiosynh exei dialeykanei ypoqesh kataskopias.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei se idia erwthsh prin apo merikes hmeres. Se polles xwres toy omiloy twn xwrwn, ston opoio perhfaneyetai na anhkei h Ellada, h Dikaiosynh exei ejixniasei para polles periplokes, paranomes prajeis h ean protimate ton oro ``egklhmata''.

KAKALHS: Milw gia ypoqeseis kataskopias.

ANTWNAROS: H kataskopia einai paranomh prajh.

XIWTHS: Akoysa xqes ton Proedro ths Epitrophs Qesmwn kai Diafaneias k. Karamario na diatypwnei thn aporia toy gia to pws mia Anejarthth Arxh, prin oloklhrwsei thn ereyna, apostellei sth Boylh ena endiameso -opws to apokalei- porisma, prin apostalei to teliko ths. Qewreite oti h Anejarthth Arxh kanei kala th doyleia ths h kanei ki ekeinh kapoies skopimothtes;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den prokeitai na krinei th leitoyrgia twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn.

XIWTHS: Mporeite na kanete ena sxolio ean kanei h oxi kala th doyleia ths;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h kybernhsh den krinei th leitoyrgia twn Anejarthtwn Arxwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Mas doqhke, loipon, sth synenteyjh twn triwn ypoyrgwn enas katalogos onomatwn. Den mas eipan me poia diadikasia kai poios katelhje se ayta ta onomata, ayto mexri stigmhs menei keno. Exei shmasia to ejhs: Ean exei kanei ayth thn pistopoihsh h Vodafone, opws afhse na ennohqei shmera sth Boylh o k. Korwnias, tote katalabainete oti@

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete, loipon, prwton na mhn sxoliasw -opws sas eipa- kataqesh h opoia brisketai se ejelijh. Deyteron, na perimenw thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths en logw kataqeshs.

KAKALHS: Ta onomata ayta poios ta edwse sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Hsastan edw xqes. Moy eteqhsan panw apo 100 erwthseis gia to qema twn ypoklopwn kai edwsa diejodikes apanthseis.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den qa epanalabw tis xqesines apanthseis moy.

KAKALHS: H Vodafone edwse th lista sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Edwsa safh apanthsh se ayto xqes.

KAKALHS: Apo poy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas to eipa xqes. Oi astynomikes arxes ekanan thn prwth ereyna. Peratwqhke h astynomikh ereyna. Perase katopin, opws orizoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys, h ereyna stis dikastikes arxes. Peratwqhke to prwto stadio ths dikastikhs ereynas kai sas eipa xqes na mhn mpainoyme se nomikes orologies, qa mperdecoyn oloys mas. Egine h anakoinwsh apo thn kybernhsh kai amesws meta arxise h taktikh anakrish. H taktikh anakrish, h opoia einai ena shmantiko stoixeio ths ereynas, synexizetai. Brisketai se plhrh ejelijh. Qa prodikasoyme thn ejelijh ths dikastikhs ereynas; Se kamia periptwsh. H kybernhsh den prokeitai na to kanei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Korwnias eipe oti stoys ariqmoys poy edwse h Ericsson ston Prwqypoyrgo yphrxan kapoioi ariqmoi, metajy aytwn kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Aytoi oi ariqmoi einai aporrhtoi, opws fantazomai kai jeroyme oloi. Xreiazetai gia na ginei taytopoihsh, den eprepe na parei eisaggelikh adeia;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw einai eidiko qema, sto opoio den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: O k. Ebert xqes ekane mia dhlwsh, h opoia egine eymenws dekth apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, na erqoyn se antiparaqesh oi ekproswpoi ths Ericsson kai ths Vodafone thn protash ayth qa thn prowqhsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai qema ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Einai qema ths sygkekrimenhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, h opoia exei qesmoqethmenes Epitropes, poy leitoyrgoyn basei sygkekrimenoy plaisioy. Kaloyn martyres, leitoyrgoyn aytonoma. Kai ayto einai kati poy prepei na to apofasisei h sygkekrimenh Epitroph, opoy eginan aytes kai alles protaseis.

MIXAHL: Oi sygkekrimenes koinoboyleytikes diadikasies pagiws leitoyrgoyn me meiochfies kai pleiochfies, thn pleiochfia se oles tis Epitropes thn exei h ekastote kybernhsh. Kata synepeia, afora plhrws kai thn kybernhsh to ti qa poyn oi pleiochfoyntes sthn Epitroph boyleytes ths. Eipan, loipon, shmera kai apofasisthke, opws oi idioi anakoinwsan oti qa paei ekproswpos ths Ericsson na kataqesei, alla kai o k. Aggeloy. Eseis xqes den mas legate ti qa ginei. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw mhpws skeftontai oi boyleytes sas na zhthsoyn kai thn klhsh toy k. Papandreoy, opws grafetai shmera se prwtoselido dhmosieyma, me to skeptiko oti sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh, eipe oti ``peste mas ti stoixeia yparxoyn, gia na to jeroyme''.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete apo emena na pw sthn Epitroph poioys qa kalesei; Ean krinei h Epitroph oti prepei na kalesei kai ton k. Papandreoy, kalws qa kanei na ton kalesei.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh den krinei tis Anejarthtes Arxes, omws o k. Polydwras xarakthrise agoyrh thn ADAE xqes. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na kanw kanena sxolio, epi toy sxolioy toy ypoyrgoy, opws moy to metaferete. Qa kanw, omws, thn ejhs dieykrinish: Profanws, ekeino to opoio leei o k. Polydwras einai oti h sygkekrimenh Epitroph arxise kai leitoyrgei pragmatika prin apo ligoys mhnes. Exei ligo xrono zwhs. Kai fysika, opws oloi oi qesmoi, xreiazontai wrimansh. Ayto einai poly aplo pragma. Den nomizw oti ayto eixe mia apajiwtikh xroia h proseggish.

KAKALHS: Aytos einai kai o logos poy den anaqesate thn ereyna apo thn arxh sthn Epitroph ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqeite kai epimenete se kati sto opoio apanthsa xqes kai malista polles fores me ton idio tropo. H kybernhsh aneqese thn ereyna qesmika, ekei poy eprepe na thn anaqesei: Ston allo pylwna ths Dhmokratias kai toy dhmokratikoy mas politeymatos, sth Dikaiosynh. Etsi leitoyrgei h Dhmokratia eite aresei, eite den aresei se orismenoys.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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