Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-28

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Aqhna, 28 Febroyarioy 2006

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

IWANNOY: H kybernhsh yioqetei th dhmosia dhlwsh poy ekane xqes o k. Karaxalios, o opoios eyqews amfisbhthse thn prosfath dhmoskophsh ths ALCO;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes gia tis dhmoskophseis. Sas eipa oti einai ena xrhsimo ergaleio, gia mia dedomenh stigmh poy katagrafei, tis taseis mias dedomenhs stigmhs. Ayto isxyei. Sas eipa epishs kai to epanalambanw oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, yposthrizei to metarryqmistiko ergo ths kybernhshs.

IWANNOY: Wstoso h dhmosia dhlwsh toy k. Karaxalioy qetei ena sobaro zhthma se sxesh me th sygkekrimenh dhmoskophsh. Rwtw ean yioqeteite ayth thn apoch.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw tipote parapanw. Sas ejeqesa th qesh ths kybernhshs gia tis dhmoskophseis.

KAKALHS: Gia poio logo oi ergazomenoi na proselqoyn sto dialogo gia to Asfalistiko, afoy xqes, o k. Tsitoyridhs afhse safws na ennohqei oti qa syzhthqoyn h ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias kai h meiwsh twn syntajewn. Eipe, oti qa einai qemata toy dialogoy poy jekina. Pragma poy eixe apokleisei proeklogika kai mexri prosfata h Nea Dhmokratia.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas proskaloysa na diabasete me megalh prosoxh th synenteyjh toy k. Tsitoyridh. Ayto to opoio moy metaferete h o tropos me ton opoio paroysiasthke ena meros ths synenteyjhs, den antapokrinetai sta pragmatikws lexqenta apo ton k. Tsitoyridh. Isxyei oti exoyme pei. Anoije enas dialogos metajy twn koinwnikwn forewn. H kybernhsh pisteyei pws aytos o dialogos prepei na synexistei, wste na anadeixqoyn ola ta problhmata poy yparxoyn ston asfalistiko xwro kai na arxisei h ejeyresh lysewn. Prepei na dhmioyrghqoyn ekeines oi staqeres, wste na syzhthsoyme to qema, to opoio h dikh mas h genia den mporei na to afhsei alyto stis epomenes genies.

KAKALHS: Den epanalambanete omws, oyte eseis th diabebaiwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias@

ANTWNAROS: Eipa eisagwgika: Isxyei o,ti exoyme pei. Ayto einai mia jekaqarh topoqethsh.

KAKALHS: Dhladh den tiqetai qema ayjhshs twn oriwn hlikias kai meiwshs twn syntajewn sto dialogo.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh moy htan safhs.

BLAXOS: Den akoysa xqes, ton k. Karamanlh na apanta se ayto poy eipe o k. Papandreoy, poios einai o katalogos twn onomatwn poy parakoloyqoyntan apo th Vodafone. Yparxei enas katalogos, poy sas ton exei dwsei o k. Korwnias. Ayton gnwrizoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Speydw na sas diakocw. Exete kanei ayth thn erwthsh, merikes dekades fores, se ayth thn aiqoysa, ston k. Roysopoylo kai se emena. H apanthsh exei doqei. Einai jekaqarh. Yparxei o katalogos, ton opoio edwsan apo thn prwth hmera kai htan apolytws safeis oi treis ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi enhmerwsan toys Ellhnes polites, gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

BLAXOS: Egw diabasa ta praktika ths Boylhs, sthn Epitroph Qesmwn, opoy o tote armodios ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs k. Boylgarakhs, eixe pei stoys boyleytes, sto Koinoboylio, oti ton katalogo ayto ton phrame apo ton k. Korwnia. To idio epanelabe kai se ayth thn aiqoysa prin apo kairo o k. Roysopoylos. Egw rwtw: Giati einai egkyros aytos o katalogos, afoy ton phrate apo ton k. Korwnia;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to erwthma exei apanthqei epaneilhmmenws. H dikastikh ereyna allwste brisketai se ejelijh. Otan oloklhrwqei h mystikh dikastikh ereyna tote ta eyrhmata ths ereynas qa paroysiastoyn kai den qa yparjei nomizw kamia allh amfibolia gyrw apo ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Ara moy lete, mexri na oloklhrwqei ayth h ereyna, einai ypo amfisbhthsh o katalogos.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Ayto einai diko sas sxolio. Sas eipa oti den prokeitai na sxoliasw tipote peran twn oswn eipan oi treis ypoyrgoi kai enhmerwsan mesw ymwn toys Ellhnes polites gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

BLAXOS: Oxi, einai poly shmantiko ayto na dieykrinistei. H dikastikh ereyna diereyna kai to an yparxoyn kai alla onomata metajy aytwn.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exoyme pei apo thn arxh, oti h dikaiosynh ereyna oles tis ptyxes ths sygkekrimenhs ypoqeshs. Ayto einai to antikeimeno mias dikastikhs ereynas gia ena qema to opoio einai poly synqeto.

IWANNOY: Xqes to brady, o k. Boylgarakhs ston `` ANTENNA'', paradexqhke oti ayth h lista pragmatika htan mia lista poy doqhke apo th sygkekrimenh etaireia kai parepemce kai ekeinos opws lete kai eseis sta apotelesmata ths dikastikhs ereynas. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean apo th dikastikh ereyna apodeixqei oti yphrxan kai alla thlefwna, ta opoia parakoloyqoynto to idio xroniko diasthma h se ekeinh thn epimaxh xronikh periodo, h kybernhsh pws qa antidrasei; Qa to dexqei; Qa to amfisbhthsei;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme to apotelesma ths dikastikhs ereynas, afoy h erwthsh poy moy kanete, einai oytws h allws ypoqetikh. Mporw na prodikasw egw to apotelesma mias dikastikhs ereynas se ena tetoio qema poy brisketai ayth th stigmh se plhrh ejelijh;

IWANNOY: Qa qewrhsete oti sas koroidece kapoios ean apodeixqei oti yphrxan kai alla proswpa;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na dwsw apanthseis se erwthmata poy arxizoyn me ``qa'', ``ean'' kai ``efoson''.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Ektos apo ton k. Karaxalio, xqes kai enas yfypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, o k. Giakoymatos, anaferomenos sthn ereyna ths ALCO, thn amfisbhthse, eipe oti den ginetai stis 61 dhmoskophseis, h 1 na fernei pisw th Nea Dhmokratia kai eipe malista oti den qa milhsw twra gia th sygkekrimenh etaireia, qa milhsw argotera. Ti exete na peite ep` aytoy, giati einai kai ypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, eipa o,ti eixa na pw xqes se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ta opoia epanalambanw xwris na allazw apolytws tipota shmera.

KAKALHS: Trianta epixeirhmatikoi omiloi to 2005, apo tis eishgmenes etaireies, kerdisan 4 dis eyrw, me ryqmoys ayjhshs 40%. Poio einai to merisma poy symfwna me ton Prwqypoyrgo prepei na paroyn oi ergazomenoi s` aytes tis epixeirhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete bebaia apo emena na sas dwsw noymera dioti den einai apostolh moy na kanw ypologismoys. To nohma ths poly safoys topoqethshs thn opoia ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, den einai allwste na dinoyme noymera kai na kanoyme maqhmatikes prajeis. Ekeino poy exei shmasia, einai ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos me apolyth safhneia kai to opoio isxyei sto akeraio. Eimai bebaios oti oi apodektes toy qa to laboyn ypoch.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla yparxoyn kai kratikoy endiaferontos epixeirhseis, oi opoies eixan kerdh. As poyme, ta ELPE eixan 161% ayjhsh kerdwn. Poio einai to merisma poy qa eishghqei h kybernhsh h poy proteinei mesw toy diorismenoy@

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H kybernhsh den eishgeitai tetoia pragmata. O Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios ekane mia safh topoqethsh, edwse to pneyma, to nohma me to opoio proseggizei h kybernhsh to sygkekrimeno qema.

KAKALHS: Oi koinwnikoi etairoi exoyn sygkekrimenes qeseis. O SEB proteinei ayjhseis 2,8% gia tis kerdofores kai gia tis zhmiogones meiwsh toy misqoy. H kybernhsh ti leei;

ANTWNAROS: Thn oikonomikh politikh se ola ta epipeda, thn kaqorizei kai thn efarmozei h kybernhsh. Kaneis allos.

BLAXOS: Akoysa, xqes, sth Boylh kai ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton k. Papandreoy na symfwnoyn se ena pragma, oti to qema twn ypoklopwn einai to megalytero egklhma meta thn metapoliteysh, poy exei telesqei se ayth th xwra. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs, mporei na moy diafeygei bebaia, yparxei kapoios poy na exei metasxei se ayth thn egklhmatikh energeia kai ayth th stigmh einai ypo krathsh, ypo kathgoria; Einai ena egklhma poy lene oi dyo arxhgoi oti exei telesqei toso megalo kai mexri ayth th stigmh den yparxei kaneis apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs na qewreitai kathgoroymenos;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas h kybernhsh den diatypwnei, den apeyqynei kathgories kai den askei poinikh diwjh. Den qa hqela, se ayth thn aiqoysa se kamia periptwsh, na kanw maqhmata nomikhs episthmhs. Oi endexomenes kathgories gia mia paranomh prajh poy exei diapraxqei, apaggellontai meta apo oles tis astynomikes kai dikastikes ereynes apo th Dikaiosynh. Epanalambanw, gia mia akomh fora, oti ayth h dikastikh ereyna brisketai se ejelijh. Parakalw ki esas na anameinete to apotelesma, thn peratwsh ayths ths ereynas. Den mporei kapoios h kapoioi na pane sth fylakh xwris na toys apaggelqei kathgoria. Gia na apaggelqei mia kathgoria qa prepei na oloklhrwqei mia ereyna.

BLAXOS: Qelete na moy peite, dhladh, oti apo oloklhrh thn kybernhsh o monos ypoyrgos poy exei to qarros na pei ta pragmata me to onoma toys einai o k. Papalhgoyras. Giati diabasa ta epishma praktika apo thn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs, opoy ekei htan oi kyrioi Papalhgoyras kai Boylgarakhs kai ap` o,ti katalaba o monos politikos se ayth th xwra poy eipe me to onoma toys ta pragmata einai o k. Papalhgoyras. Diabaste ta kai nomizw oti qa bgalete kai symperasmata nomikhs fysews.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti adikeite kai ton k. Papalhgoyra kai oloys toys alloys ypoyrgoys.

BLAXOS: Antiqeta, ton epainw.

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Blaxo, afhste me na teleiwsw. Profanws apodidete ston k. Papalhgoyra pragmata, ta opoia apokleietai na eipe o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs me ton tropo me ton opoio eseis ta metaferete.

BLAXOS: Ta exete diabasei ta praktika;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papalhgoyras apokleietai na eipe oti qa prepei na syllhfqei kapoios prin oloklhrwqei h ereyna.

BLAXOS: Eipe gia tis eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: Prin oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai prin apaggelqoyn kathgories h prin askhqei poinikh diwjh; Gi ayto sas lew oti adikeite profanws ton k. Papalhgoyra, alla kai ola ta alla melh ths kybernhshs poy eixan kapoia sxesh me thn ypoqesh.

BLAXOS: Den eipa oti o k. Papalhgoyras eipe na syllhfqei kapoios. Eipe, omws, o k. Papalhgoyras onomastika tis eyqynes poy yparxoyn. O k. Papalhgoyras einai o monos ypoyrgos poy exei milhsei mexri twra gia tis eyqynes onomastika.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti to sygkekrimeno qema, h sygkekrimenh paranomh prajh, brisketai sto stadio ths dikastikhs diereynhshs, h opoia qa oloklhrwqei me ton tropo me ton opoio ginontai ayta ta pragmata.

IWANNOY: Eipate oti den mporei na paei kapoios sth fylakh ean den apaggelqei sygkekrimenh kathgoria.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws, ean den apaggelqei kathgoria.

IWANNOY: Ean apo th dikastikh ereyna den breqei kapoios ekqetos, oytws wste na ginei ayto poy leme, dhladh, na yparjei kapoios telika poy qa kathgorhqei gi ayto to egklhma h to skandalo, eseis pws to krinete; Dhladh, mporei na teleiwsei ayth h istoria xwris na breqei kaneis ypeyqynos;

ANTWNAROS: Giati prokatalambanete thn ekbash ths dikastikhs ereynas; Egw qelw na thn perimenw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy, xqes, zhthse thn apelash toy Amerikanoy presbeyth. Eseis ti lete;

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti stis sygkekrimenes aitiaseis, isxyrismoys toy k. Papandreoy edwse apostomwtikh apanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Zhthse kai ayto, oti eprepe na ton diwjete. Den eipe;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Sygkalych yphrje me to egklhma toy xrhmatisthrioy kai tis paranomes ellhnopoihseis eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos. H erwthsh einai, giati dyo xronia twra den yphrje apokalych apo th N.D. se sygkekrimena skandala. Kai deyteron, h sygkalych den egine mesw dikastikwn apofasewn kai se ayta ta skandala;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe kai kati allo sto sygkekrimeno qema: Oti opote zhthse h tote antipoliteysh, h Nea Dhmokratia, th dhmioyrgia kai systash ejetastikwn epitropwn, wste na diereynhqoyn ta sygkekrimena qemata, h tote kybernhtikh paratajh, to PASOK, den synainese. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti apo thn prwth stigmh, h shmerinh kybernhsh, otan anelabe thn ejoysia ekane ola ta aparaithta bhmata, wste ayta ta ekkremh kai alla qemata na diereynhqoyn dikastika, opws eprepe. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti se orismena pragmata -ayth einai h nomikh pragmatikothta- yparxoyn oi paragrafes. To egklhma toy xrhmatisthrioy, opws akribws to apokalese o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn oysia toy ejakoloyqei na yparxei. Den yparxei, omws, se orismenes ptyxes toylaxiston, ayth th stigmh, h dynatothta dikastikhs diereynhshs.

IWANNOY: Qa qelame na mas sxoliasete thn epistolh poy esteile xqes o k. Ebert pros thn Anejarthth Arxh, me thn opoia deixnei ws ypeyqyno h emplekomeno thn INTRAKOM kai kat` epektash ton k. Kokkalh.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sxoliasw tipota poy exei sxesh me to qema twn ypoklopwn. Ola ayta ta qemata poy syndeontai me tis ypoklopes einai antikeimeno dikastikhs diereynhshs.

BLAXOS: (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Opoiadhpote ptyxh yparxei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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