Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-02-21

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Aqhna, 21 Febroyarioy 2006

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia asxolhqhke kyriws me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Eidikotera syzhthqhkan zhthmata enswmatwshs koinotikwn odhgiwn. O armodios ypoyrgos k. Alogoskoyfhs proebh se sxetikes dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy.

Ek meroys ths kybernhshs, ekfrazw th lyph moy gia to xqesino tragiko dystyxhma poy stoixise th zwh tessarwn stelexwn twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, kaqws kai ta syllyphthria mas pros toys oikeioys toys. Gia th diereynhsh twn aitiwn kai twn synqhkwn ptwshs toy elikopteroy exei hdh diataxqei proanakrish apo ton stratiwtiko eisaggelea Qessalonikhs kai enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash apo ton dioikhth ths monadas. Epishs, exei oristei epitroph diereynhshs toy atyxhmatos, poy qa ejetasei se baqos olo to symban.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 9.30, qa exei synergasia sto Megaro Majimoy me thn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh kai stis 11.00 me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. Polydwra.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SARANTAKOS: Sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph egine kai syzhthsh gia to megalo qema me th synexizomenh apergia twn naytikwn kai ta problhmata poy ayth exei dhmioyrghsei sta nhsia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, to qema ayto syzhthqhke nwritera to prwi, metajy toy ypoyrgoy Emporikhs Naytilias kai toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Gia th synanthsh ayth qa yparjei analytikh anafora se dhlwseis poy qa kanei o k. Kefalogiannhs. Opws gnwrizete, ta qesmika aithmata ths PNO exoyn ikanopoihqei. Qelw na pw -kai to exw epanalabei polles fores- oti h kybernhsh einai pagiws yper toy dialogoy kai ths synaineshs. Entos ths hmeras, o k. Kefalogiannhs qa epidiwjei synanthsh me toys ekproswpoys ths PNO, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn ta aithmata poy exoyn hdh probalei. Me aformh to diko sas erwthma, moy dinete thn eykairia na kanw ena sxolio gia dhlwseis poy exei kanei o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs eidika gia ayto to qema, alla kai genikotera gia zhthmata ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs: Qelw na shmeiwsw oti ta problhmata ths oikonomias, ths koinwnias, twn ergazomenwn, se para polloys tomeis den proekycan jafnika se ayto ton topo. Dhmioyrghqhkan kai diogkwqhkan ta teleytaia xronia ws apotelesma kyriws ths adiejodhs politikhs twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Einai, loipon, toylaxiston ypokritiko na emfanizontai shmera to PASOK kai o Proedros toy ws timhtes. Kai einai politika aneyqyno na kaphleyontai, na epixeiroyn na ekmetalleytoyn kommatika tis diekdikhseis twn ergazomenwn. Ws pros to fainomeno ths sygkroyshs symferontwn metajy koinwnikwn omadwn, sto opoio anaferqhke o k. Papandreoy, asfalws gnwrizei poly kala poioi einai ekeinoi oi opoioi dieprecan se praktikes koinwnikoy aytomatismoy.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, qelete na mas peite oti einai kaqodhgoymenh h apergia twn naytergatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti hqela na pw, to exw pei hdh.

BLAXOS: Ayto, dhladh, poy lene kybernhtika stelexh oti einai kaqodhgoymenh, to apodokimazete h to yioqeteite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oti hqela na pw, to exw pei hdh.

SIDERHS: Exete allajei entelws th shmasia twn lejewn. Pws h kybernhsh einai yper toy dialogoy; An htan yper toy dialogoy, prin kataqesei opoiodhpote nomosxedio, qa kaloyse toys ergazomenoys, toys endiaferomenoys, prokeimenoy na parei th gnwmh toys. Edw, kateqese kati kai ek twn ysterwn erxetai kai toys leei stamathste thn apergia gia na syzhthsoyme. Ayto einai ekbiasmos, den einai koinwnikos dialogos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete megalo laqos sthn proseggish poy molis anaferate. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta qesmika aithmata toy kladoy exoyn ikanopoihqei katopin toy dialogoy poy yphrje. Apomenoyn oikonomika aithmata, ta opoia apoteloyn antikeimeno syzhthshs.

KAKALHS: Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na aposyrei to nomosxedio gia th naytikh ekpaideysh, opws zhtoyn oi naytergates, wste na ginei dialogos h emmenei se mia adiallakth stash pros ofelos twn efoplistwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh, opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, o armodios ypoyrgos qa zhthsei shmera syzhthsh metajy twn dyo pleyrwn, dhladh ths kybernhshs kai twn ergazomenwn. Den yparxei skech gia aposyrsh nomosxedioy.

KAKALHS: Qewrei h kybernhsh oti h apergia ypokineitai apo to KKE, opws grafoyn filokybernhtikes efhmerides, epikaloymenes to Megaro Majimoy h opws kai oles oi alles apergies ypokinoyntai@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai prohgoymenws apo synadelfo sas. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia, mias kai symplhrwsate to ``Megaro Majimoy'', na pw gia mia akomh fora -thn pollosth fora gia osoys qelhsoyn na entryfhsoyn kapoia stigmh istorika sta keimena toy press-room kai thn opoia ajia exoyn - pws apo thn prwth kiolas hmera poy mphka se ayth thn aiqoysa exw dhlwsei oti den ginontai diarroes oi opoies na anaferoyn ws phgh to Megaro Majimoy. Einai kati to opoio safws kai jekaqara exw pei para polles fores kai oydepote synebh sto perasma twn dyo peripoy etwn. Kata synepeia, qa parakaloysa osoys epikaloyntai to Megaro Majimoy, opoy ki an briskontai, na einai pio prosektikoi.

KAKALHS: Na synexisw. Mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai oti mporei oi apergies na ypokinoyntai apo ta problhmata twn ergazomenwn poy paramenoyn alyta; Giati, opws blepete, apergies yparxoyn se oloys toys kladoys. Den mporei ta panta na ta ypokinei to KKE.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy lete proypoqetei na exei yparjei topoqethsh apo thn kybernhsh peri ypokinoymenwn apergiwn k.t.l. Den exw pei kati tetoio. Den to exoyme pei pote. O monos o opoios exei ypainixqei oti qa mporoyse na ypokinhsei apergies -apo o,ti jerete ta teleytaia dyo xronia poy eimaste sthn kybernhsh- einai o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Eixe mia pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh kai eixe parei apanthsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Oydepote h kybernhsh eipe kati analogo me ayto poy lete twra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei endexomeno allaghs dioikhtwn kai proedrwn dhmosiwn organismwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws geniko sxedio, den yparxei tetoio endexomeno. Erwthqhka kai amesws meta ton anasxhmatismo gi` ayto to qema. Ean dhmioyrghqoyn oi opoiesdhpote dysleitoyrgies -opoy dhmioyrgoyntai dysleitoyrgies- ginetai prospaqeia apokatastashs twn problhmatwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Exei oristei neos genikos grammateas sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias sth qesh toy k. Mixaloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa anakoinwqei apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Ayth th stigmh, den exw kati na sas pw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Kai sxetika me to qema twn apergiwn poy anaferate prohgoymenws, dhladh h kybernhsh pisteyei oti oysiastika lyqhke to problhma me ta aithmata twn limenergatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw apo poy bgazete ayto to symperasma. Kati tetoio den prokyptei apo ayta poy exw pei egw. Eipa oti o k. Kefalogiannhs entos ths hmeras qa epidiwjei na exei mia nea synanthsh me toys ergazomenoys ths PNO.

MANH: O k. Alogoskoyfhs dhlwse prin apo ligo oti h kybernhsh qa syzhthsei ola ta logika aithmata, alla oxi ypo to kratos piesewn. Emmesws, ayth htan toylaxiston h ermhneia poy dwsame. Zhta na lyqei h apergia. Apo thn PNO den yparxei tetoia proqesh. Toylaxiston, den diafainetai mexri twra poy milame. Qa epimeinete se ayto; Dhladh, lyste thn apergia kai elate na syzhthsoyme; Kai deyteron, shmera mporoyme na rwthsoyme gia endexomeno politikhs epistrateyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h xqesinh apanthsh moy. H dhlwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh kalyptei plhrws thn kybernhsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eprepe na perasei toso megalo xroniko diasthma, na exoyn prokycei tosa problhmata, tosh megalh anataraxh metajy twn sxesewn naytergatwn-katanalwtwn kai paragwgwn, gia na afhsei to mpalaki apo thn ejedra o Prwqypoyrgos kai na prajei analogws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, exei yparjei mia seira syzhthsewn. Exoyn lyqei polla qesmika aithmata twn ergazomenwn. Ta oikonomika aithmata paramenoyn. Den exw na symplhrwsw tipote perissotero.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mhpws, omws, o poliths perimenei amesh parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy se tetoies dyskoles katastaseis kai se tetoia krisima problhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai pws ennoei kapoios thn amesh parembash.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Afhsame na perasoyn eji hmeres, omws kai pleon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti afhsate eseis. Eipa ``ejartatai pws ennoei kapoios thn kaqe parembash''.

IWANNOY: Eipate oti shmera anamenetai mia nea synanthsh. Qa kalesei o k. Kefalogiannhs thn PNO. Yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis se ayth th synanthsh ek meroys ths kybernhshs na ikanopoihsei kapoia apo ayta ta aithmata; Dhladh, o k. Kefalogiannhs kalei thn PNO, exontas kata noy se kapoia qemata na allajei stash, na ikanopoihsei kapoia aithmata; To gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean moy zhtate na prokatalabw to dialogo, den qa to kanw.

IWANNOY: Dhmoskophsh poy paroysiase, xqes, o ANT-1, paroysiazei ena elafry probadisma toy PASOK sth B@ Aqhnwn. H eikona bebaiws toy Prwqypoyrgoy paramenei isxyrh se sxesh me ayth toy k. Papandreoy. Qa hqela na rwthsw, pws eseis diabazete ayto to probadisma kai an anhsyxeite h an einai ena kampanaki -qa elega- gia thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas apanthsw, opws egw diabazw tis dhmoskophseis: Ws ergaleio doyleias kai tipota perissotero. To exw pei polles fores. Allwste, einai kati to opoio epi pentemish xronia synexws epanalambanw kai otan h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh kai twra poy einai kybernhsh.

IWANNOY: Gia to an sas anhsyxei@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tipote perissotero. Sas eipa me poio tropo diabazw tis dhmoskophseis.

POYLIDOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw k. Ekproswpe, ean h epilysh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn diaforwn einai mesa stis proteraiothtes ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei kati apo ta osa exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos kata kairoys se dhmosies dhlwseis toy, eite meta apo synanthseis me ton Toyrko omologo toy, eite meta apo syskeceis twn antistoixwn organwn ths kybernhshs.

POYLIDOY: Ara@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei tipote.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, alla den katalaba thn apanthsh sas sto erwthma an skefteste thn politikh epistrateysh twn naytergatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka kai xqes kai eipa oti den exw na symplhrwsw tipota kainoyrgio sta osa exw pei.

BLAXOS: Isxyei kai shmera ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akribws.

BLAXOS: H dhmoskophsh poy bghke xqes sto MEGA deixnei oti exei ypostei megalo plhgma h kybernhsh apo to xeirismo ths ypoqeshs twn ypoklopwn. Dhladh, lene oti to xeiristhke poly kaka kai oti den yphrje oyte mia paraithsh enos armodioy ypoyrgoy. Shmera, ypo to prisma twn oswn exoyn symbei, twn oswn exoyn apokalyfqei gyrw apo ayth thn ypoqesh, pisteyete oti eginan kakoi xeirismoi apo kapoioys ypoyrgoys sto prwto diasthma ths apokalychs twn ypoklopwn apo ton k. Korwnia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanalabw ayto poy exw pei: H kybernhsh kinhqhke qesmika kai ypeyqyna.

SIDERHS: Epeidh to eipa prin ayqaireta, mhpws qa htan pio apotelesmatikos tropos diakybernhshs, h kybernhsh prwta na chfizei ta nomosxedia kai meta na kalei toys endiaferomenoys gia dialogo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mias kai to eipate ayqaireta, opws gnwrizoyme kai opws gnwrizete, h nomimothta einai enantion twn ayqairetwn, eite ayta einai ktismata, eite symperasmata.

SARANTAKOS: Kata tis teletes paradoshs-paralabhs, dyo prwhn pleon ypoyrgoi o k. Sphliwtopoylos kai o k. Kaklamanhs milhsan gia kapoia praktika poy qa bgoyn. Ta praktika ths dietias. Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na organwsei kapoioy eidoys ekdhlwseis gia ta dyo xronia apo tis ekloges ths 7 Martioy toy 2004;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kapoios kentrikos sxediasmos. Eimai bebaios oti to kaqe ypoyrgeio qa dwsei ta stoixeia poy prepei sth dhmosiothta. Epishs, h kybernhsh qa topoqethqei, dia toy ekproswpoy ths, gia th dietia. Den exw kati perissotero ayth th stigmh.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, o kaqenas kineitai monos toy h yparxei enas kentrikos epikoinwniakos sxediasmos gia thn probolh toy ergoy ths kybernhshs sta dyo xronia poy perasan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote yparxei syntonismos gia thn probolh toy ergoy ths kybernhshs, opws yparxei syntonismos se para polla qemata. Giati gnwrizete oti sthn epoxh poy zoyme ta qemata einai allhlendeta metajy toys. Synarmodiothtes yparxoyn metajy twn ypoyrgeiwn, ginetai pantote syllogikh doyleia.

SARANTAKOS: Kai o syntonisths einai o Prwqypoyrgos, fantazomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeitai.

KAKALHS: Se krhtiko kanali emfanisthke xqes o Proedros ths Enwshs Agrotikwn Synetairismwn Hrakleioy kai ths Elaioyrgikhs k. Manwlhs Gabalas kai dhlwse ta ejhs: ``O boyleyths k. Diktakhs mas enhmerwse oti se anoikth akroash akoyse ton ypoyrgo Naytilias Manwlh Kefalogiannh na zhtei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo 3.000.000 eyrw gia na lysei thn apergia kai o Prwqypoyrgos apanthse arnhtika''. Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos, panw ap` ola, bazei to spasimo ths apergias, akomh kai sthn periptwsh poy ta aithmata twn naytergatwn stoixizoyn 3.000.000;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy metaferete ek metaforas kati poy ek metaforas metaferqhke. Den qa to sxoliasw. Qewrw oti opoiosdhpote ypoyrgos, milwntas me ton Prwqypoyrgo, den qetei se synakroash th synomilia toy.

SIDERHS: Mhn to lete. To parelqon alla edeije.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O k. Arhs Sphliwtopoylos, xqes, se megalo thleoptiko kanali, milwntas gia th qesh toy Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, milhse gia kallisteia. Ti exete na peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyden sxolio.

BLAXOS: Apanthsate sthn koinh gnwmh poy leei oti h kybernhsh den xeiristhke swsta to qema twn ypoklopwn, legontas oti h kybernhsh kinhqhke qesmika@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ypeyqyna.

BLAXOS: Yparxei kapoio arqro, s` ayto poy lete ``kinhsh qesmikh'', poy apagoreyei se enan armodio ypoyrgo, o opoios den prostateyse ton Prwqypoyrgo ths xwras kai alloys polites apo ypoklopes, na mhn paraiteitai; Yparxei ayto to arqro poy leei oti den mporei na paraiteitai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta symperasmata einai dika sas. H kybernhsh omws kinhqhke qesmika kai ypeyqyna. To exw epanalabei polles fores kai exw anaferei epishs kai toys tropoys me toys opoioys ennooyme to ``qesmika kai ypeyqyna''.

BLAXOS: Qelete na sas ypenqymisw oti san ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den qelw, den jerw an qelete na to ypenqymisete stoys thleqeates. An qelete, kante to.

BLAXOS: Na sas ypenqymisw, poses fores exete zhthsei paraithseis ypoyrgwn sto parelqon, poy den eprajan swsta th doyleia toys kai den paraithqhkan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei kai pali, ayto to opoio eipa. Yparxoyn orismenoi kai kyriws apo thn pleyra toy PASOK, oi opoioi prospaqoyn na mas peisoyn oti den ftanei poy parakoloyqeitai o Prwqypoyrgos, ftaiei kai apo panw. Ayta mono apo to PASOK, qa mporoysan na eipwqoyn.

BLAXOS: Eseis omws den mporeite ajiopista na mas peisete oti parakoloyqeitai mono o Prwqypoyrgos, giati o katalogos poy dwsate, htan katalogos poy sas edwse o k. Korwnias. Den elegjate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean metrhsw poses fores exete kanei ayth thn erwthsh, nomizw oti qa kanw laqos sto tessera h sto pente. Pantws ligoteres apokleietai.

BLAXOS: Eikosidyo fores, qa rwtaw synexws. Allwste den pairnw kai apanthsh. Emfanizeste qyma, xwris@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete rwthsei, kai sas exw apanthsei. Allh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Prepei na sas apanthsw se ayto poy eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qelw na moy apanthsete. Edw den eimaste gia na kanoyme dialogo. Ti qa moy apanthsete; Kanate erwthsh kai sas apanthsa. Den sas ikanopoiei; Diko sas qema.

KYRITSHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean opoiadhpote stigmh apo to Martio toy 2005 mexri twra, yphrje kamia kroysh pros thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, ap` aytoys toys opoioys ekanan tis parakoloyqhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS : Sygnwmh, den katalaba thn erwthsh sas.

KYRITSHS: To epanalambanw. Apo to Martio toy 2005 h kai nwritera, erwtw, ean egine kamia kroysh pros thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, ap` aytoys poy ekanan tis parakoloyqhseis. Kroyseis gia logoys ekbiasmoy, kroyseis gia logoys proeidopoihshs, kroyseis opoioydhpote eidoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Foboymai oti kai pali den katalaba to erwthma sas.

KYRITSHS: Na to kanw penhntarakia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete to opws qelete, alla sas parakalw, kanete to sobara kai ypeyqyna.

KYRITSHS: Sobara to kanw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite. Poioi einai aytoi poy ekanan tis parakoloyqhseis; Peite moy.

KYRITSHS: Den jerw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara loipon; Otan exw pei, polles fores, oti ginetai ereyna apo th Dikaiosynh, den katalabainw ti ypokryptei h diatypwsh toy erwthmatos sas. Eimaste arketa eyfyeis gia na to katalaboyme oloi.

KYRITSHS: Den ypokryptei kati.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epitrecte moy na pw, oti kati ypokryptei.

KYRITSHS: Oxi den ypokryptei tipote.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh einai arnhtikh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate prohgoymenws, oti ta perissotera qesmika exoyn epilyqei kai menoyn merika oikonomika aithmata twn naytergatwn. H kanw laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, ayto eipa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Yparxei ena erwthma krisews. Apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh kai exei lysei ta qesmika kai proxwrei kai sthn epilysh twn oikonomikwn, giati afhnei ayto to diasthma kai talaipwreitai kai h nhsiwtikh Ellada kai oi ergazomenoi s` aythn; Einai erwthma krisews. Afoy yparxei h proqesh kai h dynatothta, opws fainetai, opws mas to ejhgeite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Proqesh gia dialogo, yphrxe pantote kai qa yparxei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi, gia ta problhmata lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw: Proqesh gia dialogo, yphrxe kai qa yparxei. Kai ola ayta ta zhthmata apoteloyn antikeimeno dialogoy. Gia paradeigma, to diko sas swmateio jekinaei zhtwntas mia ayjhsh ths tajews A. Den shmainei oti den qa kanei dialogo to swmateio twn dhmosiografwn, me to swmateio twn idiokthtwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa eimai parwn stoys dhmosiografoys@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa paei sthn ayjhsh A+ h A- h A/2 h 3A. O dialogos einai sth zwh, einai sthn kaqhmerinothta. Kai stis ergasiakes sxeseis yparxei dialogos. Exoyn kapoia aithmata oi ergazomenoi. Emeis sebomaste to syndikalistiko kinhma, sebomaste toys ergazomenoys, sebomaste pantote ta aithmata toys kai leme oti ola ayta tiqentai se dialogo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den milw gia to dialogo. Milw gia thn epilysh twn problhmatwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katalaba giati milate.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eipate gia ta qesmika kai apo oti fainetai h kybernhsh qa ikanopoihsei toylaxiston kai ena meros twn oikonomikwn aithmatwn, ap` oti fainetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa perimenoyme na ginei h syzhthsh toy k. Kefalogiannh me thn PNO.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Giati tote olh ayth h talaipwria twn eji hmerwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To oti parakoloyqeite eseis to qema epi eji hmeres, den shmainei oti to qema einai anoixto mono gia eji hmeres. Mporei na ginontai oi syzhthseis gia ebdomades, mporei na ginontai gia mhnes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Akoma xeirotera. Oi limenergates lene oti dyo xronia lene ta idia pragmata kai o k. Kefalogiannhs den epilyei ta problhmata toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ejartatai ti leei o kaqenas, ejartatai ti zhtaei o kaqenas. Ta aithmata ypoballontai kai ayth einai h logikh twn syndikalistikwn enwsewn: Na ypoballei aithmata. H logikh ths kybernhshs den einai logikh syllhbdhn aporrichs twn aithmatwn. Oydepote to ekane kai den to kanei. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Tyxate martyres apokleismoy dyo fores toy press room. Gia poio aithma egine; Giati oi ergazomenoi s` ayto to xwro, to prwhn Ypoyrgeio Typoy, nyn Genikes Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs, epi seira etwn, zhtoysan ena epidoma to opoio oydemia kybernhsh toy PASOK toys edwse. Eixame desmeytei oti qa doqei. Wstoso egine apokleismos toy press room. Den shmainei oti h apodosh toy dikaioy aithmatos, opws eixa pei, egine epeidh apokleisthke to press room. Oi ergazomenoi ekrinan oti etsi eprepe na xeiristoyn th diekdikhsh aytoy toy aithmatos toys sthn poreia toy xronoy.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oi ergazomenoi einai eleyqeroi na ekfrazontai kai na diekdikoyn opws qeloyn ta aithmata toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto yposthrizoyme.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete, se oti afora thn kybernhsh, mhpws nomizete oti kaqystereite sthn ejeyresh lysewn; Ayto einai to epimaxo shmeio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw pws oxi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mhpws ayta ta dyo xronia den frontisate syntoma na dwsete lyseis se orismena qemata kai twra erxontai apanwta to ena panw ap` to allo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayta ta dyo xronia, ayth h kybernhsh frontise prwtistws na epilysei mia seira apo oikonomika problhmata, ta opoia, opws gnwrizete poly kala, mas fortwse h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Otan to elleimma htan panw apo 6% -ena apo ta megalytera elleimmata ths E.E.- antilambaneste oti ayto ws prwtisto melhma ths kybernhshs htan para poly shmantiko. Dioti to elleimma, opws gnwrizete kai eseis kai oloi mas, den to plhrwnei kapoios tritos. Den to antloyme apo enan proypologismo geitonikhs xwras. Oi Ellhnes polites to plhrwnoyn. Thn politikh ths oikonomikhs dyspragias thn opoia klhronomhsame apo to PASOK, thn klhronomhsame dioti akribws yphrje mia aneyqynh politikh, se oti afora ta oikonomika. Aytoi poy erxontai shmera kai prospaqoyn na isopedwsoyn ta panta yposxomenoi genikws kai aoristws -opws allwste ekanan sthn istoria toys epi seira etwn, jexnwntas poy eftasan ton topo- einai ypologoi apenanti ston Ellhna polith. H kybernhsh apenanti ston Ellhna polith, staqhke me sobarothta kai eipe apo thn prwth stigmh, poia einai ta megala problhmata poy klhronomhse kai prospaqei na epilysei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw ayta poy lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn to mperdecoyme omws se syzhthsh. Exete kapoia erwthsh na kanete;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ayta poy moy lete einai kapws yperbolika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy yperbolika. Exoyme na kanoyme me ena elleimma panw apo 6%, to opoio@

PAPADOPOYLOS: To erwthma einai giati den dinete lyseis se pio syntomo xroniko diasthma. Oxi an kanete swsta oikonomika thn politikh sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy sas ejhghsa, isws den to akoysate. Sas ejhghsa poia einai h oikonomikh politikh thn opoia parelabe h kybernhsh, poia einai h oikonomia toy kratoys thn opoia parelabe h shmerinh kybernhsh kai ti prospaqeies kanei.

KAKALHS: O Perifereiarxhs Krhths k. Tsokas, feretai na exei ypogracei ena eyrwsymfwno me ton efoplisth Fwth Manoysh, prokeimenoy ena apo ta ploia toy na xrhsimopoihqoyn ws apergospastikos mhxanismos. H kybernhsh enqarrynei h kineitai sthn kateyqynsh ths dhmioyrgias apergospastikoy mhxanismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw to qema. H kybernhsh menei s` ayto poy sas anefera xqes.

Sas eyxaristw.

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