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Greek Government Press Briefing, 06-01-16

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 16 Ianoyarioy 2006

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, sto Megaro Majimoy, sthn opoia syzhthqhke h epikeimenh anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Egine mia poly kalh syzhthsh. Stoxos kai proqesh ths kybernhshs, opws dhlwse o Prwqypoyrgos kai ston k. Papandreoy, einai h prospaqeia ejeyreshs koinwn topwn metajy olwn twn kommatwn, etsi wste h syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh na ginei me thn eyryterh dynath synainesh sta shmantikotera qemata poy pisteyoyme oti prepei na allajoyn sto Syntagma mas.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei ayrio, gia to idio qema, sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia synedriazei stis 10:30 to prwi. Oi boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias qa topoqethqoyn, efoson to epiqymoyn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to Sabbatokyriako poy perase yphrje mia megalh dhmosiothta sxetika me mia ypoqesh sthn opoia eixe dikhgorhsei h k. Xristina Balhnakh, h syzygos toy Yfypoyrgoy twn Ejwterikwn. Shmera doqhke kai apo to epishmo PASOK kai politikh diastash. H k. Diamantopoyloy kanei logo se synenteyjh ths gia enoxh siwph toy Majimoy. Exete na kanete kanena sxolio sxetika me olh ayth thn atmosfaira poy dhmioyrgeitai kai poy fainetai pws pia, toylaxiston apo ta dhmosieymata, deixnei na afora kai ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh, thn opoia exw kanei me aformh erwthsh boyleytwn toy PASOK, isxyei se kaqe periptwsh. Ekeino poy epishmainw gia mia akomh fora einai oti h Nea Dhmokratia eite ws antipoliteysh eite ws kybernhsh sebotan kai sebetai th Dikaiosynh. Kaloyme oloys toys politikoys foreis, ta politika proswpa, ta kommata, na epideiknyoyn ton idio sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh, stoys qesmoys, stoys leitoyrgoys.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh yioqetei ta osa eipe o epitimos Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias sth synenteyjh toy xqes sth dhmosia thleorash sxetika me ton tropo ekloghs toy k. Papoylia; An dhladh eklegotan apo to lao, opws proteinei o k. Mhtsotakhs, den qa eixe kamia tyxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw, dhlwseis toy epitimoy Proedroy.

MIXAHL: Epi ths oysias, epitrecte moy na kanw mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh. Gia sas qema allaghs twn sxetikwn diatajewn toy Syntagmatos poy aforoyn ton tropo ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias h thn apodesmeysh ths ekloghs apo tis prowres ekloges, an den epiteyxqoyn oi pleiochfies poy problepei to Syntagma, yparxei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos exei qesei to plaisio, se genikes grammes, sth syzhthsh poy egine sth Boylh thn teleytaia hmera gia thn chfish toy proypologismoy. Ayrio sthn omilia toy qa dwsei analytikotera stoixeia, skeceis kai protaseis kai h syzhthsh gia th Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh anoigei. H Nea Dhmokratia exei pei se poia qemata -ws titloys milaw panta- skeptetai na proteinei allages sto Syntagma mas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eytyxeite stis diakhryjeis kai stis diabebaiwseis, alla den einai to idio me tis prajeis sas. Lete oti anazhtate koinoys topoys me ola ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs. Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs -kai ta tria- qetoyn aixmiako shmeio tis sxeseis kratoys - ekklhsias. Qa aposteite twn diakhrygmenwn qesewn sas, na mhn akoymphsete kan ayto to qema; Ayto qa htan synainesh, ayto qa htan apodeijh oti synaineite kai anazhteite koinoys topoys. Giati oi koinoi topoi einai amfipleyrh ypoxwrhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei gia eyryterh dynath synainesh. Ayto isxyei kai qa isxyei. H Nea Dhmokratia se polla megala qemata exei anaferqei sthn eyryterh dynath synainesh kai thn exei epidiwjei polles fores. H syzhthsh gia th Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh molis arxizei. Ara, loipon, se kaqe periptwsh, den exoyn ginei safeis protaseis apo ta alla kommata, opws gnwrizete. Eseis kanate mia anafora h epiklhsh, alla molis prin apo 10 lepta, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs eipe oti akomh den exoyn katateqei oi protaseis. Kai einai kai logiko dhladh. Den krinw ayth th stigmh ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Entos twn epomenwn ebdomadwn qa ginei megalh syzhthsh. Opote, kanete ypomonh.

SIDERHS: Nai, den exoyn katateqei oi protaseis, alla den einai ``agrafo xarti'' ta kommata. Exoyn dia toy Typoy, dia dhlwsewn, ekfrasei tis proqeseis toys, tis idees toys, tis apoceis toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na mhn koyrazeste kai eseis kai opoiosdhpote allos synadelfos sas, epanalambanw: Apo th stigmh poy o Prwqypoyrgos qa ekfwnhsei ayrio omilia, sthn opoia qa dwsei orismena epipleon stoixeia gia tis protaseis ths Neas Dhmokratias, egw shmera den qa pw tipota gia th Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh.

KAKALHS: H arsh ths monimothtas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn perilambanetai stis allages poy qa proteinei h Nea Dhmokratia gia thn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos; Kai an oxi, giati epimenoyn stelexh toy kybernwntos kommatos, opws o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs k. Meimarakhs, na qetoyn ayto to zhthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete -to eipa kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada- h Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh apotelei mia poly shmantikh qesmikh allagh, isws th shmantikoterh qesmikh allagh poy mporei na epitelesei mia Boylh. Oi boyleytes, exoyn dikaiwma sthn apoch, sthn protash, poly perissotero se zhthmata opws h Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh. Dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh, opws eixa pei se syzhthsh poy kaname se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ara, loipon, den qa sxoliasw th dhlwsh, tis protaseis, tis skeceis kanenos synadelfoy sth Boylh. Epanalambanw: H syzhthsh gia th Syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh eleyqera, toylaxiston se o,ti afora to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, anoigei ayrio sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

PAPAGIANNHS: Qelw na kanw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora th xqesinh sygkentrwsh toy k. Markogiannakh sthn Krhth, sta Xania, opoy oi ektimhseis miloyn gia 5.000 peripoy chfoforoys toy, oi opoioi symmeteixan. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Eseis den blepete ws apodokimasia th symmetoxh aytwn twn 5.000 anqrwpwn, ths apofashs poy elabe h kybernhsh peri apopomphs toy k. Markogiannakh; H deyterh erwthsh afora th syzygo toy k. Balhnakh. Ean o armodios Eisaggeleas askhsei telika poinikh diwjh kata ths k. Balhnakh, qa paraithqei o Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn prwth erwthsh, den prokeitai na sxoliasw. Oi boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, ap`ola ta kommata, kanoyn sygkentrwseis. Oi opadoi toys, oi chfoforoi toys, proserxontai, akoyn, synomiloyn. Einai mia pagia, synhqhs praktikh stis Dhmokraties mas. Se o,ti afora th deyterh erwthsh, qelw na epanalabw oti oloi, ofeiloyme sebasmo sth Dikaiosynh. Ayto shmainei oti h Dikaiosynh, anephreasth, kanei to ergo ths. Kai prepei na kanei to ergo ths. Ara, loipon, opoiesdhpote eikotologies, ypoqetikes protaseis, apoceis oi opoies den edrazontai para se fhmes h estw plhrofories, me h xwris eisagwgika, den me briskoyn symfwno. Epimenw: Ofeiloyme na sebastoyme thn anejarthth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs kai na mhn protrexoyme.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei politiko qema me ton k. Balhnakh h isxyei h apoch poy exete diatypwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy exw dwsei thn perasmenh ebdomada s` ayth thn aiqoysa.

FILHS: Xqes h ``AYGH'' eixe ena dhmosieyma me stoixeia poy aforoyn th dieleysh apo thn Ellada aeroskafwn ths CIA me Moysoylmanoys kratoymenoys. Einai oi legomenes ``iptamenes fylakes''. Symfwna me to dhmosieyma, stis 30/7/2002, exoyme dieleysh apo to aerodromio ``Benizelos'', proerxomeno apo to Ntalles ths Oyasigkton toy aeroskafoys me stoixeia pthshs N3798, stis 24/8/2002 stoixeia pthshs N581GA. Stis 12/9/2002 N8068B, stis 27/9/2002 N49982, thn 1/5/2005 N44768 (N313R) kai stis 24/9/2002 sth Soyda, oxi sto ``Benizelos'' exoyme mia pthsh me aeroskafos typoy C53D proerxomeno apo to Mpirmpigxam ths Bretanias. Qa hqela sygkekrimena na mas apanthsete, an h kybernhsh gnwrizei ti meteferan ayta ta aeroskafh ta opoia katagrafontai ws aeroskafh twn aerogrammwn ths CIA, ean yphrxan kratoymenoi, ean eixe enhmerwqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh kata th staqmeysh toys sto ``El. Benizelos'' h ths Soydas, oti yphrxan kratoymenoi mesa kai ean epibibasthkan apo to ellhniko edafos alla proswpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: En pollois exw apanthsei xwris na exei ypoblhqei toso analytikh erwthsh kai anafora se stoixeia. Exw pei, dhladh, oti oles oi pthseis, stis opoies exoyme anaferqei kata kairoys gia to epimaxo qema, ypokeintai stoys dieqneis elegxoys kai kanones. Epishs exw anaferei oti me bash toys kanones ths IATA den yparxei ypoxrewsh elegxoy, oyte mporei kapoios na epibalei elegxo sto periexomeno se aeroskafos, me h xwris epibates. Na sas dwsw ena paradeigma: Ean tajideyontas me mia aeroporikh etairia, staqmeysei to aeroskafos me to opoio tajideyete gia mia h dyo wres se enan endiameso staqmo, den nomizw na qymaste pote na hrqan oi topikes arxes kai na sas elegjan mesa sto aeroskafos. Yparxoyn loipon kapoioi kanones poy exoyn thrhqei opws apolytws me diabebaiwse h armodia yphresia Politikhs Aeroporias kai to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Den exw na anaferw tipote perissotero. Oloi gnwrizoyme oti exoyn ypoblhqei kai erwthseis sth Boylh, apo tis opoies oi perissoteres exoyn apanthqei.

FILHS: Epeidh den milame genika, alla gia sygkekrimenes pthseis kai sygkekrimeno typo aeroskafwn, oson afora thn pthsh poy sas anefera gia to aerodromio ths Soydas ekei, prepei na gnwrizei o Ellhnas dioikhths ths Soydas, ti akribws yparxei. Den einai qema kanonwn transit opws epikaleiste gia to aerodromio ``El. Benizelos''. Ara qa qelame mia sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Prwton: Stis 24/9/2002 C53D sth Soyda, ti symbainei akribws; Deyteron: Oson afora tis pthseis poy staqmeysan sto ``El. Benizelos'', qa qelame na gnwrizoyme ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh mporei na diabebaiwsei oti den metaferqhkan Moysoylmanoi kratoymenoi kai oti den epibibasthkan apo ellhniko edafos epishs kapoioi s` ayta ta aeroskafh, poy den einai pia pthsh transit, einai allh pthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy qa hqela na pw einai oti thrhqhkan oi kanones poy problepontai dieqnws. Se oti afora to poly eidiko qema poy moy qesate sth deyterh erwthsh sas, qa frontisw na diabibastei sto armodio Ypoyrgeio

KYRITSHS: H symfwnia metajy ths E.E. kai twn HPA gia to qema ayto, problepei na mh ginetai elegxos alla mono thrhsh twn kanonwn enaerias kykloforias, efoson prokeitai gia pthsh transit. Sthn periptwsh poy yparxei prosgeiwsh omws, opws sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, ginetai elegxos. Qelw na rwthsw, an eginan aytoi oi elegxoi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqe erwthma, exei th dikh toy shmasia kai barythta. Den ypotimw kanena erwthma kai poly perissotero to dhmosiografo poy ypobalei to erwthma. Wstoso antilambaneste oti ta erwthmata se toso ejeidikeymena qemata, qa prepei na ypoballontai sta armodia ypoyrgeia. Na kanw ton metaforea erwthmatwn kai na sas dwsw mia apanthsh -allwste to exw kanei polles fores- alla einai poly ejeidikeymeno to erwthma sas. Ws ek toytoy de nomizw oti perimenete eidikh apanthsh apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo, o opoios den einai se qesh na exei olh thn plhroforhsh kai th gnwsh enos ekastoy twn qematwn. Giati den milame gia enan tomea opws einai oi pthseis. Milame gia xiliades tomeis poy asxoloymaste edw.

KYRITSHS: Na epanadiatypwsw thn erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws qelete.

KYRITSHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei dieykolynei ta aeroskafh ths Air CIA, h genika tis amerikanikes mystikes yphresies, sth metafora kratoymenwn apo ellhniko edafos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan lete aeroskafh ths CIA ti ennoeite, oti yparxei CIA Air Force, CIA airways;

KYRITSHS: Yparxei. Einai gnwsto ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanete mia erwthsh, sthn opoia xrhsimopoieite xarakthrismoys, oi opoioi moy einai agnwstoi. Den gnwrizw ayto poy anaferete.

KYRITSHS: Genika exete dieykolynei th metafora kratoymenwn apo ellhniko edafos, ellhnika aerodromia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson syzhtame sto idio plaisio toy qematos poy eqese kai o synadelfos sas prohgoymenws, qewrw oti exw apanthsei. An qelete mia ejeidikeymenh apanthsh, parakalw mporeite na diabibasete to erwthma sas sto armodio ypoyrgeio h na to metaferw kai na exete mia apanthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa meinw sto idio. An metaferontai kratoymenoi h oxi, den einai qema ejeidikeymenoy ypoyrgeioy, einai qema ths kybernhshs. Den mporei na mh to gnwrizei o Prwqypoyrgos gi` ayto kai tiqetai sto mprifingk. Ara mporeite na enhmerwqeite kai na mas peite eseis, alla mh mas parapempete sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Einai qema meizonos politikhs shmasias, efoson epibebaiwqoyn ayta ta stoixeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h prohgoymenh apanthsh moy.

MIXAHL: Dyo erwthseis. Prwton: Yparxei h oxi hqiko zhthma gia to boyleyth ths N.D. k. Fwtiadh, o opoios feretai kai to paradexetai kai o idios oti xrwstaei sthn etairia Fwsforikwn Lipasmatwn Qessalonikhs, ena shmantiko poso, brisketai sta dikasthria, th stigmh poy h kybernhsh, to armodio ypoyrgeio, leei oti den mporoyme na synexisoyme na xrhmatodotoyme ayth thn etairia kai prepei kati na ginei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to politiko zhthma, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio. An yparxei politiko qema me thn ennoia poy to qesate, dhladh epidothsewn h oxi. Se o,ti afora to ypoloipo skelos ths erwthshs sas, monos sas milhsate gia Dikaiosynh kai dikasthria. Efoson loipon mia ypoqesh einai sth Dikaiosynh kai sta dikasthria, apo mena ti sxolio perimenete na diatypwsw;

MIXAHL: H deyterh erwthsh afora ton k. Nako, poy einai melos ths kybernhshs. O k. Nakos, epanelabe xqes se synestiash sth Larisa oti ``den sas jexname galazia paidia, den mporoyme na poyme anoixta ayta poy skeftomaste kai ayta poy epiqymoyme, eimaste se exqriko periballon'', dioti htan parontes kai oi dhmosiografoi, ``parola ayta, eimaste sigoyroi oti mexri na teleiwsei h qhteia ayths ths kybernhshs kai na pame se ekloges, qa frontisoyme na sas ikanopoihsoyme''. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Polles fores s` ayth edw thn aiqoysa exoyn metaferqei dhlwseis, dhqen dhlwseis, apoceis me diatypwsh poy tis metaferei o dhmosiografos, me olh thn kaloproaireth diaqesh poy mporei na exei o kaqe dhmosiografos. Gnwrizete oti den sxoliazw.

XIWTHS: Meta thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, h kybernhsh protiqetai na enhmerwsei h na syzhthsei kai me toys armodioys foreis me kat` idian synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy h kybernhtikwn stelexwn; Erwtw kyriws gia thn Ekklhsia. Qa yparjei kapoios dialogos me thn Ekklhsia gia tis protaseis sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anaqewrhsh anoigei enan dialogo metajy twn kommatwn. O dialogos einai koinoboyleytikos. Apo ekei kai pera antilambaneste oti kaqe foreas h poliths mporei na kataqesei dhmosiws tis apoceis toy.

KAKALHS: O Amerikanos presbeyths sthn Aqhna, eipe proxqes oti diaqetei plhrofories gia thn yparjh islamikwn pyrhnwn, typoy Al Kainta, sth xwra mas. Aytes tis plhrofories tis exei dwsei sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy to eipe ayto;

KAKALHS: Se dhlwseis toy pros toys dhmosiografoys kai sth NET, ean den kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to qymamai, den to eida. Qa to koitajw.

KAKALHS: Amfisbhteite, dhladh, oti eginan aytes oi dhlwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to qymamai. Einai polla ta qemata. Den qymamai na exw dei tetoia dhlwsh.

KAKALHS: Symmerizeste genikotera thn ektimhsh oti yparxei islamikh apeilh kai tromokratia sth xwra mas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Zhtate na sas apanthsw, epi th basei, kapoiwn dhlwsewn. Den gnwrizw ean exoyn ginei aytes oi dhlwseis h ean den exoyn ginei. Sto genikotero qema poy qesate, qa sas pw oti, xwris na to syndew me kamia omada -ennow omada qrhskeytikh h alloy eidoys politwn, filojenoymenwn h metanastwn poy zoyn se ayth th xwra k.o.k- eimai poly feidwlos sto na kanw eykola sxolia xwris na exw kapoies plhrofories.

KYRITSHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, th stigmh poy h xwra eisagei, an den kanw laqos, peripoy to 90% twn lipasmatwn ta opoia xrhsimopoiei, basei poias logikhs kleinei to ergostasio lipasmatwn, mhpws mono kai mono gia na pwlhqei h Emporikh Trapeza;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na apeyqynete kai ayto to erwthma sto armodio ypoyrgeio. Efoson exei lhfqei ayth h apofash thn opoia moy anaferete kai efoson yparxei kai sygkekrimeno skeptiko, poly eykola kai grhgora qa sas doqei apanthsh.

SIDERHS: Shmera kai oxi mono mia efhmerida milane gia apobiomhxanish ths Boreias Elladas, milane gia loyketa kai gia xiliades anergoys. Ti egine den katalabane oloi aytoi oi anqrwpoi th rizospastikothta toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy h h kybernhsh peri allwn tyrbazei, peri logistikwn apotimhsewn ths apografhs me ta elleimmata kai den asxolhqhke kaqoloy me tis ependyseis poy qa diasfalizan ergasia ston kosmo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaneis apo ayth thn kybernhsh den ekryce oti h katastash sta zhthmata ths oikonomias htan para poly dyskolh kai se ena poly megalo pososto paramenei dyskolh. Aytos, allwste, einai o rolos me ton opoio mas epifortise o ellhnikos laos: Na prospaqhsoyme na allajoyme ayth thn katastash. Na beltiwsoyme thn katastash poy brhkame kai na lysoyme ta polla problhmata. Anaferomai epithdes sta polla problhmata, giati ontws einai polla ta problhmata. O anaptyjiakos nomos, ston opoio anaferqhkate -estw kai ypainiktika einai enas nomos poy exei bohqhsei hdh sto na arxisei mia seira apo nees epixeirhseis sthn Ellada. Exw dwsei kai edw stoixeia. O Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi eixan thn eykairia, sth diarkeia ths syzhthshs toy Proypologismoy 2006, na milhsoyn eidikotera gia ton anaptyjiako nomo. Ginetai prospaqeia na enisxyqoyn oi epixeirhseis, na dhmioyrghqoyn nees qeseis ergasias, nees qeseis apasxolhshs. Problhmata yphrxan, yparxoyn kai qa yparxoyn panta. To qema einai ean kapoios katanoei ta problhmata kai ti kanei gia na mporesei na ta antimetwpisei. Ektimw me bebaiothta oti ayth h kybernhsh me sobarothta, apo thn prwth stigmh, proseggise th lysh twn problhmatwn poy periegraca prohgoymenws.

KAKALHS: Tis proalles h kybernhsh espeyse na ekfrasei tis anhsyxies ths gia to pyrhniko programma toy Iran, eisprattontas tis eyxaristies toy Amerikanoy presbh, ektos kai an to amfisbhteite kai ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhthsa tipota prohgoymenws. Mallon exei dhmioyrghqei mia parejhghsh, den gnwrizw giati epanalambanete gia trith fora to ``amfisbhthsa''. Sas eipa oti kati den to gnwrizw. Otan, loipon, lew ``kati den to gnwrizw'' parakalw na dexeste ayto poy sas lew.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla den mporw na katalabw opws o kybernhtikos ekproswpos agnoei tis dhlwseis poy tis exei dhmosieysei sxedon to synolo toy Typoy...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Mporeite na to sxoliasete, epikrinontas ton kybernhtiko ekproswpo. Eiste eleyqeros. Den sas to apagoreyei kaneis. Alla, an mh ti allo, mhn amfisbhteite ayto poy eyqews sas lew. Pantote sas milw eyqews se ayth thn aiqoysa. Exw thn entypwsh oti eimai isws o monos kybernhtikos ekproswpos poy exei erqei dyo fores edw kai sas exei pei gia laqh poy exei kanei. Den jerw apo thn empeiria sas, ean qymaste polloys na to ekanan se ayth thn aiqoysa. Parakalw, loipon, toylaxiston tis proqeseis mhn tis amfisbhteite.

KAKALHS: Oxi, tis proqeseis den tis amfisbhtoyme. Ayto poy den einai kaqaro einai h qesh poy pairnete san kybernhsh. Qelw na synexisw thn erwthsh kai na pw oti h kybernhsh ejefrase tis anhsyxies gia to pyrhniko programma toy Iran, alla den eipe lejh, an den kanw laqos, gia thn en cyxrw dolofonia 18 amaxwn proxqes sto Afganistan. Mporw na exw kapoio sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio.

KYRITSHS: Mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai na epanejetasei thn paroysia ellhnikoy stratiwtikoy tmhmatos sto Afganistan, enocei ths diafainomenhs epideinwshs ths katastashs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kapoia tetoia skech.

GALIATSATOS: Egw qa sas rwthsw kati poy gnwrizete kai asfalws den diefyge ths prosoxhs sas, opws den diefyge apo kanenan, oti tis teleytaies dyo hmeres opoio kanali kai na eblepes kai opoio radiofwno kai n akoyges eblepes enan sygkekrimeno boyleyth, prwhn yfypoyrgo ths N.D., ton k. Markogiannakh. Qelw na sas rwthsw kati poly aplo: H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh me ayth thn aisqhtikh sthn politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambaneste oti h erwthsh sas oso xaritwmenh kai an akoygetai, krybei enan ypainigmo gia melos toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Den yioqetw ypainigmoys enantion melwn toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, opoy kai an briskontai. Oson afora ta peri ``aisqhtikhs'' poy qesate, asxetws toy proswpoy, qa sas pw oti sthn Ellada , opws kai se kamia allh dhmokratia, den yparxoyn nomoi peri aisqhtikhs. H dikh sas aisqhtikh mporei na diaferei apo thn aisqhtikh kapoioi alloy. Kata synepeia, oi apoceis einai kai diaforetikes.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai qema politikoy politismoy, omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O politikos politismos orizetai se poly megalo pososto.

FILHS: Pws sxoliazete oti o k. Markogiannakhs molis xqes sto ``BHMA'' aphyqyne dhmosiws systash ston k. Lino, na maqei na kanei kala th doyleia toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

FILHS: To lew se sxesh kai me th dhlwsh sas, oti sebeste th dikaiosynh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H dhlwsh moy egine dyo fores se ayth thn aiqoysa thn perasmenh ebdomada. Epanelhfqh shmera, oxi mono gia ton qesmo ths Dikaiosynhs, alla kai gia toys leitoyrgoys ths. Kata synepeia, den qa sxoliasw peraiterw.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sto trapezi twn syzhthsewn gia th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh h kybernhsh skeptetai na qesei kai to qema ths ayjhshs twn boyleytwn Epikrateias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayrio, qa akoysete apo ton Prwqypoyrgo perissotera ap` o,ti mporoysa na sas pw egw shmera.

Sas eyxaristw.


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