Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-11-30

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Aqhna, 30 Noembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Htan se gnwsh ths kybernhshs h proqesh toy k. Alogoskoyfh poy, enw phre thn adeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia na apeilhsei oti qa kataqesei agwgh enantion toy k. Palaiokrassa, opws o idios shmera apokalyce@

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy thn akribh dhlwsh toy.

BLAXOS: Sthn prwinh ekpomph ths NET eipe oti egw qa kataqesw agwgh enantion toy k. Palaiokrassa an pei otidhpote enantion moy, se sxesh me ayta poy anefere se synenteyjh toy peri mafias kai alla tina.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o,ti exei pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, opws akribws to eipe.

BLAXOS: Exei thn kalych toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayto mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena peraiterw sxolio panw se ayto. Osa exoyme pei sto parelqon gia to qema twn agwgwn isxyoyn gia oloys.

BLAXOS: Egw qelw na katalabw to ejhs: Ean enas ypoyrgos kanei mia agwgh enantion dioikhth megalhs epixeirhshs den qa prepei na enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai na parei thn adeia toy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Na moy peite an gnwrizete th diadikasia.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia diadikasia. O k. Alogoskoyfhs ejefrase mia apoch poy exei gia ena sygkekrimeno qema. Efoson thn ejefrase -kai me ton tropo poy eseis moy thn metaferate- den exw logo na th sxoliasw.

KORAH: Efoson, loipon, h kybernhsh kalyptei ton k. Alogoskoyfh, den kalyptei ton Proedro ths DEH. Giati kai toys dyo einai dyskolo, den ginetai.

ANTWNAROS: Sthn erwthsh poy moy ypebale o k. Blaxos feretai na exei kanei o k. Alogoskoyfhs sthn thleorash mia ypoqesh. Synepws, den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KORAH: Einai sygkekrimenes oi dhlwseis poy eginan. Den einai ean eginan. Eginan aytes oi dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhlwseis eginan me ena sygkekrimeno tropo, opws mas tis metefere edw o k. Blaxos.

KORAH: H kybernhsh kalyptei plhrws kai ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai ton Proedro ths DEH;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ton Proedro ths DEH isxyoyn osa exoyme pei apo thn arxh ths ebdomadas.

KORAH: Gia ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias;

ANTWNAROS: Exete kamia amfibolia oti o ypoyrgos Oikonomias apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

XIWTHS: Meta tis antidraseis poy ekdhlwnontai sto nomosxedio gia tis DEKO, h kybernhsh syzhta epanadiatypwsh kapoiwn apo aytwn, toylaxiston ayths me thn opoia, opws kataggelletai, epixeireitai h katarghsh twn syllogikwn symbasewn ergasias stis DEKO;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den syzhta kati tetoio, dioti den epixeireitai kamia apolytws katarghsh twn syllogikwn symbasewn. Ayto einai perissotero apo safes. To anefere xqes o k. Roysopoylos se ayth thn aiqoysa. To aneptyje kai to ejhghse apolytws peistika o k. Alogoskoyfhs sth synenteyjh toy. Den yparxei kanena qema katarghshs twn syllogikwn symbasewn.

SIDERHS: Ma, pws den yparxei;

XIWTHS: Dhladh, lete oti oles aytes oi antidraseis poy ekdhlwnontai shmera apo syndikalistikoys foreis, apo kommata, proerxontai apo kommatika kinhtra h giati den diabasan kala tis diatajeis;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ta kinhtra poy odhgoyn ton enan h ton allon na diatypwnei antirrhseis gia ena sygkekrimeno nomoqethma, to opoio apotelei mia poly shmantikh, apofasistikh tomh gia th mellontikh leitoyrgia toy kratoys kai th nea diakybernhsh. Kalo qa kanoyn osoi proxeira, biastika kai epipolaia ekferoyn gnwmes, na kaqisoyn kai na diabasoyn prosektika to nomosxedio.

KAKALHS: Oi diabebaiwseis sas oti den yparxei kanena qema gia thn katarghsh twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn exoyn poly sxetikh ajia, giati to idio mas legate gia toys foroys kai den synebaine kati tetoio@

ANTWNAROS: Mia aparaithth dieykrinish: Ston proypologismo den perilambanetai kanenas kainoyrgios foros. Ayto einai apolyta safes.

KAKALHS: Triamisi disekatommyria. foroi epipleon, apo poy qa bgoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi Ellhnes oi opoioi exoyn forologikes ypoxrewseis prepei na antapokrinontai se aytes.

KAKALHS: Sto qema twn syllogikwn symbasewn: To arqro 14 leei oti se periptwsh poy den yparjei symfwnia twn etairwn, h kybernhsh me kyriarxiko kai apolytarxiko tropo qa kaqorizei monomerws ta qemata twn misqwn kai otidhpote empiptei stis syllogikes symbaseis.

ANTWNAROS: Gia poies etaireies;

KAKALHS: Den exei shmasia. Tis zhmiogones@

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy eisagetai den einai kati kainoyrgio. Isxyei apo to 1988. H de Olomeleia toy Areioy Pagoy exei krinei oristika panw se ayto to qema.

KAKALHS: Ara, epibebaiwnete oti yparxei qema katarghshs.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Den yparxei qema katarghshs syllogikwn symbasewn. Antiqeta: H pio antiproswpeytikh organwsh twn ergazomenwn kaleitai na synanthqei me thn Dioikhsh ths epixeirhshs, prokeimenoy na broyn ena koino topo. Etsi den ginontai oi syllogikes symbaseis;

KAKALHS: Se periptwsh diafwnias, omws, ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Se periptwsh diafwnias h mh epiteyjhs symfwnias entos tessarwn mhnwn ryqmizontai ta qemata me nomo. Dioti, den einai dynato se mia epixeirhsh poy paroysiazei terasties zhmies tis opoies kaloyntai na kalycoyn oi Ellhnes forologoymenoi, na synexizoyn oi Ellhnes polites na kataballoyn mponoys kai alles eidikes paroxes pros toys ergazomenoys ekei. Dioti, gi aytes tis eidikes paroxes milame. Den katargoyntai, oyte ergasiaka dikaiwmata, oyte ryqmiseis poy yparxoyn se sxesh me thn apasxolhsh twn ergazomenwn. Ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata paramenoyn ws exoyn.

KAKALHS: Oi zhmies stis DEKO den ofeilontai stoys ergazomenoys kai omws oi ergazomenoi plhrwnoyn to timhma.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai ayth h stigmh, h stigmh ths apodoshs eyqynwn. Einai, omws, safes oti mia epixeirhsh h opoia, gia ena sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma paroysiazei zhmies, qa prepei na organwqei me tetoio tropo, wste na janaginei, an oxi kerdofora, toylaxiston na exei isoskelismeno isologismo, prokeimenoy apo ekei kai pera kai oi ergazomenoi na mporoyn na apolambanoyn toys karpoys ayths ths ejelijhs.

XIWTHS: Gia na to doyme me ena paradeigma ergasias: Mas lete, dhladh, oti an sto mellon h dioikhsh ths ERT den katorqwsei na symfwnhsei me toys ergazomenoys, h kybernhsh qa epiballei thn politikh poy ekeinh qelei gia toys misqoys sthn ERT. Einai etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw na diabasete to arqro 14. Einai poly safes kai leei kai ti qa ginei se periptwsh poy epixeirhseis ginoyn sto mellon zhmiogones. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo. Ekana mia ektenh anafora gi ayto to sygkekrimeno qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia tis syllogikes symbaseis qelw na rwthsw: Sto mellon, qa ypografontai dyo syllogikes symbaseis; Mia twn monimwn kai mia twn newn poy qa proslambanontai h qa exoyn thn idia syllogikh symbash;

ANTWNAROS: Toys ergazomenoys poy apokaloyme oysiastika monimoys, aytoi exoyn sygkekrimeno ergasiako kaqestws kai plaisio mesa sto opoio apasxoloyntai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai oi kainoyrgioi qa exoyn sygkekrimeno kaqestws. Den qa toys proslambanoyn@

ANTWNAROS: Gia toys neoproslambanomenoys qa isxysoyn oi kanones tis idiwtikhs oikonomias. Ayto einai epishs safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qa yparxoyn dyo misqoi. Oi pronomioyxoi kai oi eilwtes.

ANTWNAROS: Den ypeiserxomai se tetoies omadopoihseis. H ejygiansh twn epixeirhsewn toy dhmosioy tomea apoblepei sthn kalyterh leitoyrgia toys kai ston periorismo toy kratoys. Den mporoyn oi anqrwpoi poy qa proslambanontai apo edw kai pera na exoyn thn aisqhsh ths monimothtas toy dhmosioy ypallhloy. Ayto den shmainei oti oi anqrwpoi aytoi qa breqoyn ayrio sto dromo. Alla qa ergazontai, opws ergazontai -kai nomizw para poly apodotika- oi perissoteroi anqrwpoi ston idiwtiko tomea. Eseis den ergazeste allwste ston idiwtiko tomea;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla omws den qa exoyn tis idies apolabes. Qa kaqontai sto idio grafeio kai o enas qa pairnei ta diplasia apo ton allon kai qa kanoyn thn idia doyleia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy anefera einai safes. Apo edw kai pera, gia toys neoproslambanomenoys qa isxyoyn oi kanones ths idiwtikhs oikonomias.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na gnwrizw, ean yparxei skech sthn kybernhsh, aytes oi nees ergasiakes sxeseis na epektaqoyn kai sto steno dhmosio tomea kai an oxi, giati sto plaisio toy Dhmosioy yparxoyn ergazomenoi dyo taxythtwn. Kapoioi, dhladh, aisqanontai anesh, epaggelmatikh asfaleia, exoyn syllogikes symbaseis kai kapoioi alloi oi opoioi qa leitoyrgoyn me mia diaforetikh taxythta.

ANTWNAROS: Sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas: Den yparxei kamia skech efarmoghs aytwn twn ryqmisewn sto steno dhmosio tomea. Allwste, o titlos toy nomosxedioy poy paroysiasthke einai apolyta safhs.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na moy peite giati loipon, efoson exoyme ergazomenoys sto Dhmosio, estw ki an einai DEKO, Dhmosio einai@

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den einai Dhmosio. Allo einai to Dhmosio, oi yphresies dhladh toy stenoy dhmosioy tomea kai allo einai oi epixeirhseis toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea. Ayto ginetai apolyta safes me to nomosxedio. Einai etaireies, epixeirhseis, oi opoies prepei na leitoyrghsoyn kai gia ofelos twn Ellhnwn politwn, twn Ellhnwn katanalwtwn me kaqara idiwtiko-oikonomika krithria. Prokeitai loipon gia metarryqmiseis poy exoyn pragmatopoihqei se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs, edw kai para polla xronia. Gia ofelos olwn. Kai twn ergazomenwn fysika. Kai emeis edw meiname pisw. Ayto den mporei na synexistei.

TSIODRAS: H k. Merkel sth Germania poy kanei metarryqmiseis leei epishs ta ejhs: Plhrwnoyn oi ergazomenoi ston idiwtiko tomea to kostos twn metarryqmisewn, plhrwnoyn ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea, plhrwnoyn kai aytoi poy einai sto steno dhmosio tomea. Paradeigma me to dwro twn Xristoygennwn.

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti den eiste kala plhroforhmenos gia to ti akribws symbainei sth Germania.

TSIODRAS: To oti plhrwnoyn oi dhmosioi ypallhloi, nomizw oti eimai kala plhroforhmenos.

ANTWNAROS: As mhn anoijoyme syzhthsh gia to dwro twn Xristoygennwn sth Germania, dioti einai mia entelws diaforetikh katastash apo oti symbainei sthn Ellada. Mia katastash malista poly dysmenesterh gia toys ergazomenoys ekei. Einai kati to opoio h shmerinh kybernhsh den exei thn paramikrh proqesh na to syzhthsei. Sas to anaferw gia na mhn yparjei kamia paranohsh.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, bebaia den peiqete oti den katargoyntai oi syllogikes symbaseis. Mallon h kybernhsh egkataleipei thn atermona anazhthsh toy mesaioy xwroy kai janabriskei th fysiologikh ths koith, th Dejia. Na erqoyme se ena allo qema@

ANTWNAROS: Giati ayta ta sxolia den ta kanete ekei opoy ergazeste; Den einai edw o katallhlos xwros gia na kanete sxolia.

SIDERHS: Ta kanw. Me ta politika hqh poy yparxoyn sthn Ellada kai thn wrimothta twn politikwn mas pragmatwn, ayth h dokimastikh periodos gia toys ypallhloys den toys kaqista ypo omhria;

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy.

SIDERHS: Giati na mhn yparxei ayth h dokimastikh periodos, efoson qa mpei me ajiokratika krithria;

ANTWNAROS: Enas ypallhlos poy exei ta prosonta gia ta opoia kaleitai na ergastei, den exei na fobhqei tipote apolytws. Epanalambanw, epeidh epimenete -kai gia na epimenete qa moy epitrecte na exw thn ypocia oti den exete diabasei to nomo@

SIDERHS : Bebaiws, ton diabasa. Apla exw kai th dikh moy proswpikh empeiria oti to 1990 h Nea Dhmokratia @

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw loipon oti oi syllogikes symbaseis den katargoyntai.

SPYRAKH: Parempiptontws, den ton exete dwsei to nomo.

ANTWNAROS: O nomos brisketai sto site toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Qa perimena na kanete ton kopo na pathsete ena koympi kai na ton ektypwsete, opws ekana kai egw.

SIDERHS: Na synexisw; Ton Aygoysto toy @90 h Nea Dhmokratia epi ypoyrgoy Proedrias Miltiadh Ebert, en mia nykti apokefalise xiliades ergazomenoys. Giati, loipon, twra ean ginoyn jafnika ekloges kai erqei mia allh kybernhsh, aytoi oi ypallhloi poy exoyn mpei den einai ermaia kai den einai epikindyno na kopei to kefali toys apo thn kainoyrgia kybernhsh, prin exoyn symplhrwsei ton armozonta xrono gia na monimopoihqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Giati twra briskomaste sto 2005.

XIWTHS: Mporeite na mas peite giati h kybernhsh gia mia toso shmantikh parembash ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea, den ekane kamia apopeira dialogoy me toys koinwnikoys foreis, otan gia alla zhthmata opws to p.x. to Asfalistiko, to opoio qa anoijei thn epomenh tetraetia, kalei toys idioys foreis se dialogo.

ANTWNAROS: Edw kai polloys mhnes, syzhteitai to nomosxedio kai malista eyrytata. Ekfrazontai, grafontai kai antallassontai apoceis. O Prwqypoyrgos kai oi Ypoyrgoi exoyn synanthqei me oloys toys emplekomenoys. Kai fqasame xqes sthn telikh, makra, apodotikh kai oysiastikh syzhthsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Den einai kati to opoio proekyce jafnika. Ena oloklhro xrono syzhteitai to en logw zhthma.

XIWTHS: Den nomizw oti exete dikio. H diatajh me thn opoia kataggelletai oti katargoyntai oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias, apokalyfqhke molis xqes. Epipleon oi idioi oi Ypoyrgoi omologoyn oti proshlqan sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, xwris na gnwrizoyn tis telikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ti ``omologoyn'' se esas, pantws tetoio qema den yparxei.

XIWTHS: Amfisbhteite oti egine treis wres syzhthsh xqes sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, gia na katalhjoyn oi Ypoyrgoi se kapoies telikes diatajeis;

ANTWNAROS: Antiqetws malista kai qewrw idiaitera paragwgiko to xrono ths syzhthshs.

XIWTHS: O dialogos jekina otan oristikopoihsei mia kybernhsh tis epiloges ths, tis opoies oristikopoihse xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete megalo laqos. Oi Ypoyrgoi toys teleytaioys mhnes, exoyn antallajei para polles apoceis metajy toys. Eixan entatikopoihsei thn antallagh apocewn tis teleytaies ebdomades kai opws einai fysiko, proshlqan xqes sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, sthn opoia symmeteixan kai oloi oi synarmodioi Ypoyrgoi apo toys opoioys dyo ej` aytwn den einai melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Omofwna enekrinan oles tis ryqmiseis. H syzhthsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph htan oysiastikh kai apodotikh.

XIWTHS: H erwthsh poy sas ekana einai giati den prohghqhke dialogos me toys foreis. Ektos an moy lete oti o Proedros ths GSEE h ths ADEDY eixe ek twn proterwn enhmerwqei gi@ aytes tis diatajeis.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh kai eseis pro oligoy kanate anafora gia katarghsh twn syllogikwn symbasewn@

XIWTHS: Opws kataggelletai, eipa, den to yioqetw.

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh moy to anaferete loipon, sas epishmainw oti aytoi oi opoioi to kataggelloyn den exoyn kanei ton kopo na diabasoyn kai na katalaboyn th ryqmish. Den yparxei kamia apolytws katarghsh syllogikwn symbasewn.

SPYRAKH: Htan enhmeroi oi Proedroi ths GSEE kai ths ADEDY, prin katateqei to nomosxedio, gia thn proqesh ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei sth diatajh toy arqroy 14 opws diatypwnetai; Egw pairnw th gnwmh sas oti den katargoyntai oi syllogikes symbaseis. Htan enhmeroi oi dyo basikoi ekproswpoi twn koinwnikwn forewn s@ ayth thn ypoqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas einai gnwsto oti afoy h kybernhsh akoysei diafores apoceis, einai ekeinh poy telika nomoqetei.

XIWTHS: Nai alla mhn epikaleitai dialogo meta. Dioti ypotiqetai oti anazhta synainesh@

ANTWNAROS: Exei ginei o aparaithtos dialogos. Einai safes allwste oti oi metarryqmiseis aytes kinoyntai sth swsth kateyqynsh, kati poy fainetai me apolyth safhneia kai se oles tis dhmoskophseis poy ginontai. H ellhnikh koinwnia yposthrizei me megalh pleiochfia tis metarryqmiseis poy kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

MOYRTHS: Eipate oti stis zhmiogones epixeirhseis, qa klhqoyn oi ergazomenoi na symballoyn sthn `` apokatastash ths tajhs''.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto.

MOYRTHS: Prokeimenoy na kalyfqoyn ta elleimmata.

ANTWNAROS: Oloi mazi exoyn xreos na symballoyn sthn apokatastash ths apotelesmatikhs leitoyrgias.

MOYRTHS: Oi ergazomenoi h kai oi polites poy den ergazontai s@ aytes tis DEKO;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai oi polites poy kaloyntai na symmetasxoyn sthn kalych twn barwn panta efoson ta elleimmata ta plhrwnei o kratikos proypologismos; Poios ta plhrwnei; Oi Ellhnes polites ta plhrwnoyn.

MOYRTHS: Ayto ginetai shmera me to nomosxedio poy prowqei twra h kybernhsh pros chfish. Qa isxyei to idio h apo dw kai sto ejhs oi ergazomenoi sthn kaqe epixeirhsh qa analambanoyn to baros twn elleimmatwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Sas eipa oti o ejorqologismos, h ejygiansh qa proxwrhsei stadiaka. Arxika, ekeino to opoio eipa, einai oti den mporoyn oi ergazomenoi poy apasxoloyntai se mia zhmiogona epixeirhsh, na exoyn thn apaithsh h thn prosdokia na eisprattoyn mponoys kai eidikes paroxes, efoson den antexoyn ta tameia ths epixeirhshs sthn opoia doyleyoyn.

MOYRTHS: Pws qa kalyptontai ta elleimmata einai to erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Siga-siga, me th stadiakh ejygiansh twn epixeirhsewn. Mexri na kalyfqoyn ta elleimmata, poios qa ta plhrwnei; To Ellhniko Dhmosio, o ellhnikos laos qa ta plhrwnei. Kai ayto kapote prepei na stamathsei.

TRIGKAS: Yparxoyn DEKO problhmatikes, oi opoies einai problhmatikes ej@ aitias ths koinwnikhs politikhs poy efarmozoyn oi kybernhseis sthn Ellada. Gia paradeigma oi sygkoinwnies. To nomosxedio poy kataqetei h kybernhsh kanei diakrish metajy twn zhmiogonwn DEKO poy ofeiletai to zhmiogono toys sthn koinwnikh politikh poy qelei na askhsei h kybernhsh, opws gia paradeigma stis astikes sygkoinwnies h syllhbdhn oi zhmiogones kai opoion parei o xaros.

ANTWNAROS: Oloi oi paragontes lambanontai ypoch.

TRIGKAS: Jerete se poies zhmiogones DEKO qa efarmostei to arqro 14;

ANTWNAROS: Se oles tis zhmiogones epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy.

XIWTHS: Ara den ejairoyntai@

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Oi sygkoinwnies paramenoyn koinwniko agaqo kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Mh moy qetete qewrhtikes erwthseis. To kratos asfalws exei thn ypoxrewsh na parexei orismenes basikes yphresies stoys polites toy. Kai ayto to kanei me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Stoxos ayths akribws ths metarryqmishs ths opoias isws to megeqos den mporoyme na antilhfqoyme ayth th stigmh, oson afora ta qetika apotelesmata poy qa exei se baqos xronoy, einai na beltiwsei kai malista poly shmantika, thn poiothta twn yphresiwn poy parexontai se oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

KAKALHS: Thn ektimhsh oti h metarryqmish ayth kai genikotera oi metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs kinoyntai sth swsth kateyqynsh, espeyse na yioqethsei o Proedros toy SEB, o opoios epikrothse shmera me dhlwseis toy, to nomosxedio gia tis DEKO, opws exei epikrothsei kai oles tis metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs. Antiqeta, oles oi metarryqmiseis exoyn synanthsei th sfodrh antidrash twn ergazomenwn mexri twra; Apo pote (den akoygetai) h synainesh ths koinwnias s` aytes tis metarryqmiseis;

ANTWNAROS: Akomh kai oi dhmoskophseis deixnoyn oti tis metarryqmiseis, se megalh pleiochfia, oi Ellhnes tis epikrotoyn.

KAKALHS: Toylaxiston dixasmenh emfanizetai stis dhmoskophseis h koinh gnwmh.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti einai akribws etsi.

PEPONHS: Mia dieykrinish. Eipate, oti ston Proypologismo den problepetai kanenas neos foros. Ayjhseis syntelestwn se yfistamenoys foroys problepontai ston Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti qa exete diabasei ton Proypologismo.

PEPONHS: Poly kala. Giati to afhse anoixto o k. Alogoskoyfhs gia ta kaysima, gia alloys eidikoys foroys.

ANTWNAROS: Epanerxeste sto qema twn kaysimwn, to opoio exoyme dieykrinisei me safhneia. H Ellada, mexri to 2009, exei symbatikh ypoxrewsh pros thn E.E., na exei prosarmosei ta eidika telh poy aforoyn ta kaysima, sto katwtero epipedo poy yparxei sthn E.E.. Ayto eprepe na eixe arxisei na ginetai hdh apo fetos. Logw twn diakymansewn stis times toy petrelaioy, den pragmatopoihqhke to 2005. O xronos piezei. Den shmainei oti anagkastika qa ginei to 2006. O k. Alogoskoyfhs eipe, oti endexomenws na arxisei h prosarmogh to 2006. Ayto, opoiadhpote kybernhsh na erqei, den mporei na to apofygei. Qa ginei qeloyme den qeloyme. Kai menoyme panta sto xamhlotero epipedo -to tonizw- twn antistoixwn forwn poy isxyoyn sto meso oro ths E.E..

PEPONHS: Se alles kathgories forwn apokleiete eseis, ayjhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ston proypologismo den problepetai h eisagwgh kanenos neoy foroy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos, mexri prin apo ligo kairo, eblepe kaq` omades toys boyleytes. Twra ton teleytaio kairo exei stamathsei na toys blepei, polloys den toys exei dexqei. Maqainoyme oti ginontai synanthseis omadwn boyleytwn edw me ton Ypoyrgo Epikrateias. Exei analabei prwqypoyrgika kaqhkonta o k. Roysopoylos;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Dieykrinizw gia mia akomh fora ton xarakthra twn synanthsewn toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias. Stis synanthseis poy kanei o k. Roysopoylos, blepei boyleytes analoga me tis perifereies opoy exoyn eklegei kai syzhta mazi toys qemata poy aforoyn ta eparxiaka MME, enocei ths proetoimasias toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy. Den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy ypainisseste.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw diabasa omws oti edw ginontai ston k. Roysopoylo kai parapona apo toys boyleytes gia diaforoys ypoyrgoys, gia na ta metaferei ston Prwqypoyrgo. Den ginontai mono gia ta MME. Ginetai kai allh syzhthsh. Gi ayto rwtw ean exei analabei kai alla kaqhkonta.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa, asfalws oxi. H syzhthsh exei sygkekrimeno antikeimeno.

XIWTHS: Oyte episkeceis sta ypoyrgeia qa kanei o k. Roysopoylos, dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti ayrio qa einai edw, rwthste ton. Alla h apanthsh poy sas edwsa einai safhs.

XIWTHS: Kai aytes tis diekoce o Prwqypoyrgos, gi ayto rwtw.

ANTWNAROS: Aytes oi episkeceis ginontai opote krinetai oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei logo na episkefqei kapoio Ypoyrgeio. H drasthriothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai diarkhs kai polysxidhs. O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai diarkws kai dinei tis aparaithtes kateyqynseis. Mhn jexnate oti o Prwqypoyrgos ton teleytaio kairo pragmatopoihse kai arketa tajidia sto ejwteriko. Synantatai syxna kai taktika me oloys toys ypoyrgoys. Den blepw, loipon, kamia allagh sthn symperifora.

SPYRAKH: Plhroforoymeqa oti o k. Ntemhs Nikolaidhs exei diaqesei sto diadiktyo fwtografies proswpwn poy symmeteixan se epeisodia. Qelw na rwthsw, ean kai kata poson, h kybernhsh qewrei oti ayth h kinhsh einai nomimh kai den jerw ean kai kata poson -ektos toy oti oi anqrwpoi aytoi safws exoyn diaprajei ajiopoines prajeis, alla ayto einai mia doyleia thn opoia kanoyn oi diwktikes arxes- ayto proskroyei sth nomimothta. To na dhmosieyontai fwtografies anqrwpwn poy symmetexoyn sta epeisodia, moy qymizei thn Agria Dysh, ekeino to @Wanted@, katalabainete.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn oi armodies dikastikes kai eisaggelikes arxes, oi opoies einai se qesh na krinoyn an kati einai nomimo h oxi. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs na ekferei tetoies kriseis.

TSIODRAS: Mias kai eimaste se ayto to qema, diabaza shmera oti to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas dhmosiopoihse ta stoixeia kapoiwn praktorwn ths EYP. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean egine skopimws h ean egine kata laqos k.lp.

ANTWNAROS: Epitrecte moy prwta ap@ ola, epeidh polloi oroi xrhsimopoioyntai ligo abiasta, na dieykrinisw to ejhs: Osoi yphretoyn sthn EYP den einai oloi praktores bebaia. Yparxoyn dioikhtikoi ypallhloi, grammateis, texnikh yposthrijh, analytes. Ta stoixeia, ta opoia feretai na dhmosiopoihse to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas, einai h apanthsh se mia erwthsh, h opoia ypeblhqh sth Boylh sthn armodia politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Bebaiws h EYP ypagetai dioikhtika stis armodiothtes toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs. Alla, exw thn entypwsh oti o sygkekrimenos ypallhlos htan ypallhlos toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas. Kai synepws gi ayto eixe thn eyqynh to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Oson afora sth dhmosiopoihsh twn stoixeiwn, dieykrinizw oti me sygkekrimenh apofash ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, thn 40/2005 apo 7/6/2005, o,ti ypagetai ston Koinoboyleytiko Elegxo den einai aporrhto. Synepws den yparxei kamia parabiash aporrhtoy.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Telika einai toy Amynas h toy Dhmosias Tajews;

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sth Boylh profanws eixe ypoblhqei, sto Ypoyrgeio Amynas, gia toys logoys poy sas anefera.

KORAH: Dhladh, mas lete oti ean ayrio kapoioi boyleytes zhthsoyn analytika ta onomata olwn twn praktorwn, me epishmh erwthsh sth Boylh, epeidh akribws yparxei ayth h apofash ths Arxhs Proswpikwn Dedomenwn to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs qa ta dwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas aphnthsa sthn arxh, oti oloi osoi ergazontai sthn EYP den einai praktores.

KORAH: Egw, omws, sas kanw erwthsh gia toys praktores, den sas kanw gia toys dioikhtikoys ypallhloys.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

KORAH: Ma einai sygkekrimenes oi erwthseis kai qeloyme na katalaboyme to periexomeno.

ANTWNAROS: Kai ektos toytoy, to sygkekrimeno atomo, ton Septembrio@

KORAH: Egw den anaferomai sto sygkekrimeno atomo. Den me afora to sygkekrimeno atomo.

ANTWNAROS: To sygkekrimeno atomo ton Septembrio toy 2004, prosefyge sto Dioikhtiko Efeteio Aqhnwn, me aithsh akyrwshs ths metaqeshs toy. O idios, loipon, dhmosiopoihse ta proswpika toy stoixeia. Ara den yparxei parabiash aporrhtoy.

KORAH: Den sas rwtw k. Ekproswpe gia to sygkekrimeno atomo.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw, oti @

KORAH: Moy apantate gia to sygkekrimeno atomo.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti oi ekproswpoi toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy exoyn oloi toys thn eyaisqhsia na perifroyroyn orismena pragmata.

KOTTARIDHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio, epeidh ta Skopia prospaqhsan akomh mia fora na symmetasxoyn se aqlhtikes organwseis, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, stoys Mesogeiakoys Agwnes, me to onoma ``Makedonia''. Kati tetoio apefeyxqh thn teleytaia stigmh, meta apo parembash toy Proedroy ths Ellhnikhs Olympiakhs Epitrophs, toy k. Kyriakoy. Yparxei kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Opws ginetai apotelesmatika panta.

KOTTARIDHS: Den parenebh h kybernhsh omws sto sygkekrimeno qema, th sygkekrimenh stigmh. Parenebh o Proedros ths Ellhnikhs Olympiakhs Epitrophs.

ANTWNAROS: Ekproswpoyse, ekei poy briskotan, thn Ellada. Kai ekane ayto poy eprepe na prajei.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exoyme kati newtero gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sta Tirana; Giati syzhteitai oti ton Dekembrio qa exei mia synanthsh me ton Mperisa.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai idiaitera epibarhmeno gia ton Dekembrio. Exei sygkekrimenes desmeyseis opws fer `eipein: Symmetoxh sth Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E.. Gnwrizete epishs oti sxedon mia oloklhrh ebdomada toy Dekembrioy, apo tis 18 ews tis 22, einai afierwmenh sth syzhthsh kai sthn egkrish toy Proypologismoy. Den exw tipota, oson afora, endexomeno tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Albania.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia thn Toyrkia, mhpws exete;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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