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Aqhna, 22 Noembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia syzhthqhke sxedio nomoy gia th diasfalish ths diafaneias stis promhqeies amyntikoy ylikoy. O ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Sphliwtopoylos exei hdh probei se dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy.

Gia deyterh hmera shmera, qa anaferqw sth dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy oti apaitei apo ta MME na proballoyn sygkekrimena proswpa toy kommatos toy. Einai zhthma toy k. Papandreoy na qelei na proballontai sygkekrimena stelexh toy kommatos toy kai oxi ola ta stelexh, h oxi oloi oi eklegmenoi boyleytes. Wstoso, otan o k. Papandreoy rwthqhke xqes na sxoliasei ayth th dhlwsh, apanthse oti h Nea Dhmokratia qelei na xeiragwghsei ta MME. Aytos o opoios qelei na xeiragwghsei ta MME einai aytos poy, gia deyterh fora xqes, apaitei apo ta MME ton tropo me ton opoio prepei na leitoyrghsoyn. Kalw, loipon, kai pali ton k. Papandreoy na skeftei ti exei pei. O ekproswpos toy, estw shmera, na dhlwsei oti htan ena laqos ayth h apaithsh, h opoia bebaiws den synadei, oyte me toys kanones deontologias sta MME, oyte me toys kanones deontologias sthn politikh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti orismenoi ypoyrgoi dhlwnoyn enwpion dhmosiografwn oti den exoyn diaqesh na metakinhqoyn apo to ypoyrgeio toys; Yparxoyn ypoyrgoi ametakinhtoi se ayth thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An anafereste se zhthmata anasxhmatismoy, exw apanthsei polles fores kai exw pei oti ayto einai ena qema poy afora apokleistika ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PEPONHS: Akoysa shmera ton k. Alogoskoyfh na leei, me aformh ton proypologismo kai apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis, oti kalytera na einai dysaresthmenoi oi ypoyrgoi, para oi polites. Eseis eiste dysaresthmenos h eyxaristhmenos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To qema ejantlhqhke xqes.

BLAXOS: H erwthsh ths synadelfoy htan allh kai qelw na thn epanalabw. Eipe, ean yparxoyn ypoyrgoi poy exoyn diamhnysei eyqews h me emmeso tropo ston k. Karamanlh oti qa protimoysan na parameinoyn sto idio ypoyrgeio ston epikeimeno anasxhmatismo h stis opoies allages skeftetai na kanei o Prwqypoyrgos. Yparxoyn tetoioi ypoyrgoi kai an nai, poioi einai aytoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti htan allo to erwthma ths synadelfoy sas, den htan akribws ayto.

SPYRAKH: Eipa ean yparxoyn ypoyrgoi ametakinhtoi sthn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, orqws to katalaba kai orqws apanthsa. Einai diaforetiko to diko sas erwthma. Den exei ginei kamia syzhthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kapoion ypoyrgo gia ton anasxhmatismo.

BLAXOS: Ean yparjei, loipon, kapoios ypoyrgos poy qa diamhnysei ston k. Karamanlh oti qa protimoyse na parameinei sto ypoyrgeio ayto, o k. Karamanlh qa toy ikanopoihsei to aithma h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa prohgoymenws.

BLAXOS: Gia poio pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to qema poy rwthsate.

BLAXOS: Oti einai sth diakritikh eyxereia toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn apolyth.

SIDERHS: Syzhthsate gia to nomosxedio gia th diasfalish ths diafaneias stis promhqeies twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Ayto shmainei oti qa stamathsete tis apeyqeias anaqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia seira ryqmisewn. Prokeitai gia ena poly megalo nomosxedio, to opoio epejergazetai to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas. Pragmatopoihqhke shmera h prwth shmantikh syzhthsh sto plaisio ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs. Otan oloklhrwqoyn oi shmeiwseis toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy, giati egine syzhthsh epi twn qematwn aytwn, qa probei o idios se dhlwseis, paradinontas sth dhmosiothta olo to nomosxedio.

SIDERHS: Shmera, yparxoyn ``kapetanata'' sthn kybernhsh; O k. Liaphs diamhnyei ston Prwqypoyrgo oti aytos den prokeitai na allajei ypoyrgeio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Amfiballw poly ean exei ginei tetoioy eidoys dhlwsh, opws th metaferete.

RABANOS: O k. Karamanlhs, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, stis 22 Dekembrioy 2003, ligoys mhnes prin tis ekloges, milwntas thn teleytaia hmera prin apo th chfish toy proypologismoy, eixe pei oti apo ta 12 dis eyrw poy htan oi foroi toy 1992, fqanoyn twra sta 38 dis eyrw, dhladh ypertriplasiasthkan. Kai qetei to erwthma o k. Karamanlhs, poses ellhnikes oikogeneies ypertriplasiasthkan ta eisodhmata toys thn idia periodo kai malista edwse idiaiterh emfash sthn forologikh epibarynsh ths oikogeneias. Symfwna me ta stoixeia toy neoy proypologismoy poy kateqese o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes sth Boylh, ta forologika esoda qa exoyn mia ayjhsh twn forologikwn esodwn, kata 3 dis eyrw (den akoygetai). Dhladh, mia ayjhsh se sxesh me persi 7,7. Xrhsimopoiwntas to erwthma toy Prwqypoyrgoy to 2003, sas erwtw poses ellhnikes oikogeneies problepetai oti qa ayjhsoyn ta esoda toys kata 7,7, thn epomenh xronia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei na lambanete ypoch sas oti sto parelqon to kratos den espeyse -opws qa eprepe na kanei- na eisprajei xrewstoymena. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti polloi foroi xrwstoyntai apo to parelqon eite apo etaireies, eite apo epixeirhseis, eite se orismenes periptwseis apo fysika proswpa. Ara, loipon, h problech gia ayjhsh twn esodwn apo thn forologia, afora se poly megalo pososto, ta xrewstoymena. Kata ta loipa, opws qa diabasate, kanenas neos foros den problepetai ston Proypologismo toy 2006.

RABANOS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs shmera se synenteyjh toy ston APLHA-radio afhse emmesws plhn safws to endexomeno na ayjhqoyn ta timologia twn DEKO. Ayto den einai mia emmesh forologia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa oti ston Proypologismo toy 2006, gia ton opoio egine poly syzhthsh peri newn forwn k.lp., den problepetai kanenos eidoys ayjhsh foroy.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den problepetai kanenas neos foros, wstoso, omws, oi misqwtoi, oi syntajioyxoi kai oi epaggelmatobiotexnes qa klhqoyn na plhrwsoyn 743 ek. epipleon apo to foro eisodhmatos. Synolika 8,86 dis eyrw, dhladh, 9,2% panw. Thn idia stigmh ta nomika proswpa kai oi epixeirhmaties qa plhrwsoyn 182 ek. eyrw, synolika 4,9 dis eyrw, mia ayjhsh 3,9% ayjhsh, sta oria toy plhqwrismoy dhladh. Enw oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi qa plhrwsoyn treis fores epanw apo ton plhqwrismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Alogoskoyfhs apanthse se sxetiko erwthma sth xqesinh synenteyjh toy, h opoia htan kai makra kai analytikh. Sas parapempw se aythn.

KAKALHS: Exei na kanei me ton isxyrismo sas oti den yparxoyn neoi foroi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O isxyrismos einai aytapodeiktos apo kapoion poy qa diabasei ton Proypologismo. Opws, aytapodeikta einai kai alla stoixeia, ta opoia paroysiazontai ston Proypologismo gia ta esoda poy qa exoyn, tis ayjhseis poy ginontai, dhladh, se mia seira apo wfelhmenoys. Exw milhsei polles fores kai gia tis ayjhseis sto EKAS. Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h prooptikh sto telos ths 4etias. Exw milhsei gia tis syntajeis toy OGA. Exoyme milhsei gia diplasia toy plhqwrismoy ayjhsh, dhladh, sto EKAS kai sth syntajh toy OGA. Eidika gia to EKAS epanalambanw oti isxyei sto akeraio h desmeysh poy exoyme labei gia to telos ths 4etias, wste na fqasei sta 230 eyrw.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti den problepetai kanenas neos foros ston proypologismo. Kai ston persino proypologismo den problepotan kanenas neos foros. Omws, ayto den sas empodise ton Martio na parete nea forologika metra me thn ayjhsh toy FPA kai olo ekeino to paketo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti htan se ejelijh h apografh, h opoia katedeije to megalo keno poy afhse sthn oikonomikh politikh h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Otan oloklhrwqhke h apografh se synergasia kai me tis yphresies ths E.E., qymaste oti elhfqhsan ta metra poy eprepe na lhfqoyn. Den exoyme se ejelijh kamia apografh ayth th stigmh. Gnwrizoyme poly kala poio htan to elleimma poy afhse to PASOK kai exoyme arxisei hdh na to antimetwpizoyme me poly apotelesmatiko tropo, opws oloi anagnwrizoyn.

TSIODRAS: Ean qymamai kala h apografh eixe teleiwsei to Septembrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymaste kala. Eixe ginei mia prwth ektimhsh kai oloklhrwqhkan oi diadikasies ligoys mhnes argotera.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh den ta jerw toso kala ayta ta noymera kai nomizw oti den ta jerei kala kai h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, to erwthma einai me neoys foroys h xwris, me ayjhseis stis DEKO h otidhpote allo qa yparjei epibarynsh twn misqwtwn kai twn syntajioyxwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H erwthsh einai poly genikh. Sas apanthsa hdh oti h prospaqeia poy kanei h kybernhsh, mia sklhrh prospaqeia gia na antimetwpisei polla problhmata, lambanei ypoch ths ta koinwnika problhmata twn adynatwn oikonomika tajewn, opws twn syntajioyxwn kai bebaiws twn misqwtwn.

BLAXOS: Sto shmeio ayto qa hqela na moy peite giati o k. Karamanlhs sthn omilia toy xqes sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio sto mhnyma poy esteile stoys xamhlosyntajioyxoys, xamhlomisqoys kai anergoys, zhtwntas toys periodo xaritos, den kaqorise pote lhgei ayth h periodos. Dhladh, o k. Karamanlhs den epanelabe th desmeysh toy oti olh ayth h oikonomikh talaipwria toys qa exei hmeromhnia lhjhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy diabazete to apospasma sto opoio zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos periodo xaritos;

BLAXOS: H teleytaia paragrafos, poy leei oti egw den pairnw metra gia na xaidecw aytia, den einai koinwnikh eyqynh na pairneis metra braxyproqesma, alla emeis pairnoyme oikonomika metra poy qa apodwsoyn makroproqesma kai qa einai pros ofelos twn asqenesterwn tajewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, den yparxei kapoio aithma gia periodo xaritos, opws exoyme syzhthsei apo thn arxh ths diakybernhshs. Ayto poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos kai se ayth thn omilia toy pros toys ypoyrgoys, einai na perigracei kat` arxas, thn katastash opws parelhfqh kai opws einai shmera. Kai deyteron, thn prooptikh.

BLAXOS: Nai, alla h prooptikh ayth den exei lhjh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme syzhthsei to qema polles fores kai sas exw pei, kai xqes malista me rwthsate me aformh paremferes qema, to pote oloklhrwnontai oi prospaqeies gia th meiwsh toy elleimmatos. H prospaqeia meiwshs toy elleimmatos oloklhrwnetai sto telos toy 2006. Apo ekei kai pera, mia seira pollwn problhmatwn antimetwpizontai kai qa antimetwpizontai. Pantote kaqe oikonomia qa antimetwpizei problhmata. Kai opws blepete, oxi mono mikrwn oikonomika xwrwn, alla kai poly megalwn xwrwn. Deite to paradeigma ths Germanias. Mia poly megalyterh oikonomika xwra, apo thn Ellada, h opoia wstoso antimetwpizei antistoixa problhmata. Elleimma. Diabazw oti etoimazetai na ayjhsei to foro prostiqemenhs ajias. Kati gia to opoio qymaste poly kala oti eixe kathgorhqei h kybernhsh otan to anakoinwse. Antistoixws eixe symbei kai sthn Portogalia k.o.

BLAXOS: Den katalaba giati o k. Karamanlhs den eipe oti ayth h poreia qa exei hmeromhnia lhjhs to 2007 h to 2008.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas dyo fores. Opoio sxolio qelete, mporeite na to kanete.

BLAXOS: Gia na epimenw na rwtw shmainei oti den exw parei apanthsh. Ara, loipon, ofeilete na moy apanthsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Parakalw mporeite na kanete ta sxolia sas eleyqera kaqhmerina, sto Meso poy ergazeste.

SIDERHS: Syxna, otan milate gia EKAS kai agrotikes syntajeis, anaferete to pososto ws to diplasio toy plhqwrismoy kai to anaferete me ikanopoihsh. Mhpws se ariqmoys mporeite na mas peite poso einai ayto to poso kai poso ypoleipetai apo ta cixoyla twn 30 eyrw poy eixe dwsei o k. Shmiths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw gia thn erwthsh giati moy dinete thn eykairia na apanthsw kai se ena allo qema, poy blepw na diakineitai sth dhmosiothta kai afora sto poies qa einai oi ayjhseis. Opws gnwrizete, ta zhthmata twn ayjhsewn kaqorizontai stis arxes toy epomenoy etoys, afoy exei kleisei o plhqwrismos toy prohgoymenoy etoys. Ara, loipon, o,ti grafetai, akoygetai, legetai, den exei kamia sxesh me th shmerinh pragmatikothta, h opoia den mporei na mas dwsei to akribes poso poy zhtate.

SIDERHS: Egw milhsa gia to EKAS kai tis agrotikes syntajeis poy eseis anaferete oti qa einai diplasies toy plhqwrismoy. Kai tonizete to ``diplasies''. Mporeite na mas peite se ariqmoys apolytoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An skefteite ti sas apanthsa qa katanohsete giati den mporw na sas pw toys ariqmoys. Lew kai pali oti kaqorizetai pantote ton Ianoyario, giati sto telos Dekembrioy gnwrizoyme poios htan o plhqwrismos toy etoys poy parhlqe. Kata synepeia ton Ianoyario qa gnwrizoyme ton plhqwrismo kai to poso qa einai to diplasio ap` oso exoyme desmeytei. Se kaqe periptwsh to akribes poso, o akribhs ariqmos poy zhtate qa mporei na anakoinwqei ton Ianoyario, oxi twra.

SIDERHS: Wraia. O plhqwrismos, h diafora toy, qa einai ``mhden komma toso''.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia thn k. Bentoyrakh, ean gnwrizei h kybernhsh an exei parei doyleies epi kybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias. Kai ena deytero erwthma, ean qewrei h kybernhsh oti me ton tropo poy epairne doyleies sto parelqon yparxei diaspaqish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den mporei na gnwrizei kai eimai bebaios oti sxedon kai kaqe ypoyrgos den mporei na gnwrizei to synolo twn epixeirhsewn kai poies einai oi analhceis ergwn poy exoyn aytes oi epixeirhseis. Kata synepeia, den mporw na apanthsw sto erwthma sas. Mporeite na to apeyqynete sto armodio ypoyrgeio, efoson kati exete ypoch sas kai efoson yparxei armodio ypoyrgeio. Sto deytero erwthma sas, to opoio ypeblhqh me diaforetikh fraseologia, apanthsa prin apo mia ebdomada. Den exei allajei kati.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw sto qema ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs. Eipate oti qa anakoinwqei ton Ianoyario. Etsi einai. Wstoso omws ta qemeliwdh megeqh toy proypologismoy prodikazoyn thn tajh toy megeqoys poy qa einai oi ayjhseis. Sth bash ayth ypologizw oti qa einai katw apo ton plhqwrismo. Mporeite na me diabebaiwsete gia to antiqeto, oti qa einai panw apo ton plhqwrismo h oti qa kalyptoyn ton plhqwrismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei. Epishs, apanthse xqes kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs, arketa analytika. Otan to synoliko kondyli gia tis dapanes misqwn kai syntajewn sto dhmosio einai ayjhmeno kata 6,1% se sxesh me persi, antilambaneste oti exoyn ginei oles oi aparaithtes probleceis. Qa perimenete, loipon, ton Ianoyario, opws ginetai kaqe xrono gia na anakoinwqei h eisodhmatikh politikh.

KAKALHS: Alles xronies omws legate apo prin oti qa kalyptoyn ton plhqwrismo. Den perimenate. Twra den to epanalambanete kai ayto exei th shmasia toy profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia shmasia.

GALIATSATOS: Sas akoysa prin na epanalambanete th desmeysh oti to EKAS qa einai sta 230 eyrw sto telos ths tetraetias. Me thn allh desmeysh ths kybernhshs oti h syntajh toy OGA qa ftasei ta 330 eyrw, ti ginetai; Ejakoloyqei na isxyei kai ayth;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei kai ayth.

KORAH: Exw dyo erwthseis. H mia einai: H kybernhsh Karamanlh exei protypo ths to montelo diakybernhshs etsi opws diamorfwnetai ayth th stigmh sth Germania kai thn oikonomikh politikh poy xarassetai; Dioti mia apo tis strathgikes -ths litothtas- poy akoloyqoyntai sth Germania, einai h perikoph toy dwroy twn Xristoygennwn, einai to pagwma twn ayjhsewn kai diafora alla antilaika metra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero erwthma sas, den tiqetai kanena tetoio qema. Se o,ti afora to prwto erwthma poy qesate, kanate anaxronologhsh. Dioti egw xrhsimopoihsa to epixeirhma gia ton foro prostiqemenhs ajias, legontas oti otan ayth h kybernhsh anakoinwse prin apo polloys mhnes thn ayjhsh kata mia posostiaia monada toy FPA, eixame mia seira antidrasewn kai kritikhs, poy elege ``den mporoysan na broyn kapoio allo metro, ayto brhkan; Yparxoyn tosa alla kalytera metra h tosa alla metra ta opoia apodidoyn''. Kai lew loipon, oti oi idioi oi opoioi mas ekanan kritikh, esiwphsan otan eidan th sosialistikh portogalikh kybernhsh poy anelabe amesws meta thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, ligoys mhnes meta. Kai twra blepoyn kai thn kybernhsh megaloy synaspismoy, twn dyo megalyterwn kommatwn ths Germanias, na lambanei metra antistoixa me ayta poy elabe h ellhnikh kybernhsh prin apo polloys mhnes. Ayto anefera.

KORAH: H deyterh erwthsh moy: Yparxei ena problhma anamesa sto kanali POLIS kai sto kanali ths Boylhs. Ap` oti exoyme katalabei yparxei mia kontra. Ekpempoyn apo thn idia syxnothta. To POLIS leei oti ``exoyme kanei mia symfwnia me th Boylh, toys daneizoyme kata kapoion tropo kapoia mhxanhmata mas kai etsi ta exoyme brei'', enw h Boylh leei ``den yparxei kamia symfwnia''. Eseis ws armodios Ypoyrgos Typoy, exete asxolhqei kaqoloy me to qema; Dhladh, ena kanali kratiko, ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, einai dynaton na synergazetai me ena idiwtiko kanali kai na ta briskei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia kratiko h dhmosio kanali. Sas lew oti h thleorash ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn, elegxetai kai dioikeitai apo th Boylh, oxi apo thn ERT. Den einai dhladh kommati ths ERT, poy anhkei sth dikh moy dikaiodosia. Kata ta loipa, opws gnwrizete, qemata syxnothtwn kaqorizontai mono apo to ESR katopin adeiodothsews enos staqmoy. Exei tyxei kai sto parelqon, na erwthqw se aythn thn aiqoysa, gia diafora kanalia kai gia syxnothtes, eite einai radiofwna eite einai thleoptikoi staqmoi. Sas exw pei oti einai zhthmata poy kaqorizontai apo to ESR. Gia to prwto qema, poy den to gnwrizw, parakalw apeyqynqeite sth Boylh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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