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Aqhna, 21 Noembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Shmera, opws gnwrizete, einai h Pagkosmia Hmera thleorashs. O symbolikos aytos eortasmos apotelei mia eykairia na skeftoyme ti eidoys thleorash qeloyme ws koinwnia, ti eidoys thleorash ajizoyme. Einai mia eykairia na ajiologhsoyme me nhfaliothta kai ypeyqynothta th symbolh ths thleorashs sth dieyrynsh ths Dhmokratias, ths epikoinwnias kai ths synergasias anamesa stoys anqrwpoys, toys laoys kai toys politismoys, alla kai tis proklhseis poy paroysiazei sth nea chfiakh epoxh. Proklhseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me th diasfalish ths poiothtas toy politeymatos mas, me th diasfalish twn orwn kai twn proypoqesewn, wste h thleorash na antapokrinetai ston pragmatiko syntagmatiko ths rolo, ayton ths egkyrhs ployralistikhs enhmerwshs kai ths poiotikhs cyxagwgias twn thleqeatwn, anephreasth apo kaqe eidoys allotries ejarthseis kai symferonta. Aytos o problhmatismos afora oloys mas kai kaqe polith xwrista.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn thleorash den exoyme katalabei poio einai. Dhladh, kalyptetai h kybernhsh poy etoimazetai na prowqhsei kai ena qesmiko plaisio gia th leitoyrgia ths thleorashs, apo th leitoyrgia ths, opws einai shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei anakoinwqei hdh apo ta anwtera dynata xeilh, apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, oti etoimazetai ena qesmiko plaisio to opoio afora zhthmata sygkentrwshs kai adeiodothsewn. Eimaste h monadikh xwra sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, h opoia en merei exei antimetwpisei ta zhthmata sygkentrwshs kai sxedon kaqoloy -paroti yphrjan nomoqetikes ryqmiseis sto parelqon- ta zhthmata adeiodothshs. Eimaste dhladh mia eyrwpaikh xwra, h opoia den frontise sta 16 xronia leitoyrgias ths idiwtikhs thleorashs, alla kai sta 18 xronia leitoyrgias toy idiwtikoy, mh kratikoy radiofwnoy, na balei ekeinoys toys kanones oi opoioi qa bohqoysan to periballon ths agoras, to periballon twn Meswn, na ginei akomh kalytero. To Syntagma mas, opws gnwrizete, protassei zhthmata sygkentrwshs kai poiothtas ta opoia sxetizontai me thn poiothta ths Dhmokratias. Se ayto hqela na katalhjw me to shmerino moy sxolio: Sthn politikh apofash ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se ayta poy epitassei to Syntagma mas.

XIWTHS: Qewreite oti h paqogeneia twn radiothleoptikwn meswn egkeitai sto oti einai anarxo to topio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, se zhthmata poy aforoyn thn poiothta ths parexomenhs yphresias, to Syntagma kanei mia genikh anafora. Gnwrizete epishs oti h kybernhsh exei dhlwsei polles fores pws qemata poy aforoyn to dhmosiografiko epaggelma, to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma, kat` orismenoys h kat` alloys, einai zhthma poy anaferetai sthn aytoryqmish twn idiwn twn Meswn. Dhladh, oi dhmosiografoi throyn th dhmosiografikh deontologia, h opoia allwste problepetai kai apo ta katastatika twn Enwsewn Syntaktwn.

KAKALHS: To Syntagma proeblepe kai thn antimetwpish ths diaplokhs, to peribohto arqro 14, par. 9. Alla h kybernhsh me to neo nomo gia to basiko metoxo, to exei katasthsei keno gramma kai sthn pragmatikothta to exei katarghsei. Ara, den yphreteitai panta to Syntagma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti exete mia entelws lanqasmenh proseggish. H ryqmish toy arqroy 14, par. 9 tiqetai se efarmogh me to gnwsto nomo gia to basiko metoxo. Kateteqh sth Boylh kai chfisthke apo ayth. Ta apotelesmata toy menei na ta dei kaneis sthn prajh.

BLAXOS: Sthn arxikh sas topoqethsh gia to qema ths thleorashs, milhsate gia thn anagkh na yparjei nhfaliothta, basei ths opoias qa diereynhqei o rolos. Eseis, otan prin apo ligo kairo yioqethsate ton orismo ``thledikeia'', eixate xrhsimopoihsei ayton ton oro me nhfaliothta h katw apo thn piesh twn gegonotwn ekeinwn twn hmerwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den milhsa gia diereynhsh toy roloy. Milhsa gia diasfalish twn orwn kai twn proypoqesewn, wste h thleorash na antapokrinetai sto syntagmatiko ths rolo.

BLAXOS: Gia to ``nhfaliothta'' den moy eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

SIDERHS: Qelw mia qetikh h arnhtikh apanthsh: H ews twra thleoptikh mas qhteia, exei ejasfalisei ayth th dieyrynsh kai thn embaqynsh ths Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pisteyw oti se ena pososto, nai exei bohqhsei sth diadosh twn idewn, exei bohqhsei sth diadosh kai sto akoysma twn antiqetwn apocewn. Qelw na qymisw oti enas apo toys basikoys logoys poy htan apaithsh ths koinwnias na proxwrhsoyme sth dhmioyrgia mh kratikwn Meswn Enhmerwshs poy na anhkoyn dhladh eite se idiwtes eite se alloys foreis, opws gia paradeigma oi dhmoi -qymizw oti o prwtos mh kratikos radiofwnikos staqmos jekinhse apo to Dhmo Aqhnaiwn epi dhmarxias Miltiadh Ebert- htan gia na akoystoyn apoceis poy mexri tote den akoygontan. Ara, loipon, pisteyw oti exei bohqhqei sto pedio ayto h Dhmokratia. Zhthmata poiothtas ths Dhmokratias einai zhthmata eyaisqhsias toy kaqenos, eite einai thleqeaths eite ergazomenos sta Mesa Enhmerwshs. H poiothta einai ena diarkes zhtoymeno apo oloys. Kai prepei na einai ena diarkes zhtoymeno apo oloys. Qelw epishs na qymisw oti o basikos logos gia ton opoio jekinhse ayth h mikrh epanastash, an qelete, ston topo mas me th mh kratikh radiofwnia kai thleorash, htan h symplhrwmatikh h h ap` oles tis pleyres enhmerwsh prwtistws kai amesws meta h cyxagwgia.

SIDERHS: Qa moy epitrecete na diorqwsw mia istorikh anakribeia. Miloysame gia eleyqero radiofwno kai eleyqerh thleorash. Den miloysame gia idiwtika Mesa Enhmerwshs oyte Mesa ypo thn ephreia twn epixeirhmatikwn omilwn. Ayto ws istorikh anafora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoihsa ton oro poy xrhsimopoioysa kai ws melos ths Epitrophs Programmatos toy prwtoy mh kratikoy radiofwnikoy staqmoy. Miloysa kai tote gia mh kratikh radiofwnia.

BLAXOS: Otan prosfata yioqethsate ton oro ``thledikeia'', ton eixate xrhsimopoihsei me nhfaliothta h katw apo th synaisqhmatikh piesh twn hmerwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me apolyth nhfaliothta.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den qa sxoliasete kaqoloy ayto ton agrio polemo poy exei jespasei aytes tis hmeres kai poy oloi mas, qelontas kai mh, anagkazomaste, eite ws anagnwstes, eite ws thleqeates, na ton parakoloyqoyme. Epeidh exete kai thn armodiothta se ayto to xwro, gi` ayto qa elega.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti rwthqhka apo thn prwth stigmh kai exw hdh kanei kapoio sxolio gi` ayta ta qemata.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Xwris na einai proswpikh momfh k. Ypoyrge, ayta poy eipate ston prologo sas kai argotera ws apanthseis se synadelfoys an ejairesei kaneis to onoma sas kai tis hmeromhnies, ta exoyme akoysei edw sxedon gia 20 xronia. Poio einai ekeino to stoixeio poy mas peiqei oti aytes oi ejaggelies poy kanete gia apokatastash ths nomimothtas sta MME kai eidikotera sthn thleorash qa ylopoihqoyn se sygkekrimeno xrono bebaia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h apofasistikothta. Exw thn edraia pepoiqhsh oti sto parelqon den yphrje h apofasistikothta poy yparxei shmera. Ara, loipon, proxwra kapoios. Gnwrizete kala oti exoyme kanei mia seira apo kykloys syzhthsewn me alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, qewrwntas oti kapoios den prepei na ``anakalyptei kaqe fora thn Amerikh'', alla na syzhta kai na sygkentrwnei empeiries apo alles xwres poy jekinhsan poly nwritera apo emas kai thn idiwtikh radiofwnia kai thn idiwtikh thleorash -en genei th mh kratikh radiofwnia kai thleorash- exoyn kanei almata se sxesh me emas. Exoyme, loipon, sygkentrwsei polla stoixeia empeirias apo aytes tis xwres. Ekeino to opoio menei einai na anoijei enas dialogos -kai poly syntoma qa anoijei aytos o dialogos- me oloys toys endiaferomenoys foreis kai ta kommata. Dialogos poy qa odhghsei se ena sxedio nomoy poy qa apanta sta zhthmata poy zhta to Syntagma mas na apanthsoyme, opws einai ayta ths sygkentrwshs kai twn adeiodothsewn. Ean sthn poreia, meta thn chfish toy nomosxedioy kai ths prokhryjhs gia tis nees adeies yparjoyn prosfyges, qa antimetwpistoyn kai aytes sto plaisio twn syntagmatika katoxyrwmenwn dikaiwmatwn olwn twn pleyrwn. Elpizoyme oti qa einai enas nomos, o opoios qa mporesei na lysei polla apo ta problhmata toy shmera. Epishs, qa mporesei epiteloys na proxwrhsei stis adeiodothseis poy den eginan, me ejairesh aytes twn radiofwnikwn staqmwn ths Attikhs.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epixeirwntas mia aytokritikh eseis, pisteyete oti se ayta ta dyo xronia poy eiste proistamenos se ayto ton tomea kai epeidh to teleytaio xroniko diasthma ginetai poly aysthrh kritikh sto proswpo sas kai sthn kybernhsh gia thn epikoinwniakh politikh, pisteyete oti ston tomea ths thleorashs exete ikanopoihtika apotelesmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean milate gia to nomoqetiko plaisio, oxi. Dioti, allwste, opws eyqarsws sas eipa, h syzhthsh poy eixame me thn Komision, prokeimenoy na odhghqoyme ston koino topo poy anazhthsame sto qema toy basikoy metoxoy, mas anetrece ta arxika sxedia gia to xroniko plaisio poy eixame qesei. Wstoso, amesws molis teleiwse to qema toy basikoy metoxoy, opws ejaggeilame, proxwrame sto epomeno bhma.

GALIATSATOS: Epeidh ontws teleiwse h istoria me to basiko metoxo, otan milate oti poly syntoma qa ginei aytos o dialogos, mporeite na to prosdiorisete xronika; Qa einai dhladh mexri to telos toy xronoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan exw thn akribh hmeromhnia, qa thn anakoinwsw apo ayth thn aiqoysa.

SARANTAKOS: Se mia omilia sas prosfata, nomizw edw apenanti, eixate milhsei gia mia nea isorropia metajy twn MME, ths politikhs kai twn politikwn. Poios qa eggyhqei ayth th nea isorropia; Eseis ws ypoyrgos Epikrateias, h kybernhsh, kapoios allos paragontas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasate olh thn omilia kai oxi kapoia apospasmata poy endexomenws dhmosieythkan se merida toy Typoy, qa blepate oti apeyqynomoyn sth Dieqnh Enwsh Ekdotwn Efhmeridwn, milwntas gia to problhma poy antimetwpizei shmera o graptos Typos se sxesh me thn isxyropoihsh toy mesoy poy legetai ``thleorash''. Ara, loipon, qa parakaloysa na diabasete akribws thn omilia moy kai qa bgalete symperasmata. Opoia allh aporia exete, mporoyme na th syzhthsoyme.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei mesw epistolhs mia diamartyria synadelfwn poy kalyptoyn to oikonomiko reportaz gia to xrono poy dinetai sth dhmosiothta o proypologismos. Qa hqela na moy peite, giati apofasise h kybernhsh na synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio arga to brady kai na dhmosiopoihqoyn ta stoixeia poy katartizoyn ton proypologismo me empargko apo tis 16.30;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den htan ypoxrewmenh kat` anagkh na kinhqei me agrafoys kanones. Apofasise to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio na synedriasei to apogeyma kai na doqei kanonika o Proypologismos. Malista, o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, opws gnwrizoyn hdh oi synadelfoi sas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz, qa dwsei to sxedio toy Proypologismoy me empargko nwritera kai pisteyw oti qa to thrhsoyn oloi.

BLAXOS: Qelw na epanelqw sto qema toy dialogoy. Lete oti qa jekinhsei enas dialogos, ton opoio profanws qa khryjete eseis. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean mporei o k. Roysopoylos, o ypoyrgos Epikrateias, na kanei ayto to dialogo, se mia stigmh poy mia megalh efhmerida, opws to EQNOS, sas egkalei oti exete parei qesh yper kapoioy alloy sygkrothmatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomai tis apoceis olwn twn dhmosiografwn, olwn twn MME. Mporei o kaqenas eleyqera na diatypwnei tis apoceis toy. Ayto einai to nohma ths Dhmokratias. Apo ekei kai pera, antilambaneste oti o exwn thn politikh eyqynh ypoyrgos, ofeilei na proxwrhsei sth nomoqethsh kanonwn gia toys opoioys h kybernhsh exei desmeytei.

SIDERHS: Lyste moy mia aploikh aporia. Exete milhsei polles fores gia thn anagkh aytoryqmishs. Blepete oti den eimaste ikanoi kai pleon ta epixeirhmatika symferonta poy emplekontai sta MME ektraxynoyn thn katastash. H Politeia, h kybernhsh poy exei chfistei apo to lao, den einai ypoxrewmenh na orisei ayth kanones stoys opoioys qa ypakoyoyn oloi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi toys kanones deontologias. Oi kanones deontologias einai kaqara zhthma twn idiwn twn Meswn h twn forewn twn Meswn, twn forewn toy mhnymatos, dhladh twn dhmosiografwn. Gnwrizw oti h ESHEA exei katartisei kwdika deontologias. Gnwrizete poly kala oti me aformh mia syzhthsh poy egine thn anoijh gia th monoqesia dhmosiografwn sto Dhmosio, jekinhse enas neos dialogos entos ths ESHEA, wste na katartistei enas, akomh plhresteros kwdikas deontologias. H deontologia einai kaqara zhthma twn idiwn twn dhmosiografwn. H Politeia ofeilei na orisei toys kanones sto qesmiko plaisio toys.

SIDERHS: Gnwrizete, omws, oti exoyn katapathqei kai qa katapatoyntai aytoi oi kanones. Oxi apla katapathqei, strapatsaristei. Ametoxos qeaths qa menei h Politeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn ta peiqarxika Symboylia twn Enwsewn Syntaktwn kai bebaiws yparxei kai to ESR, to opoio parembainei, epembainei, krinei kai epiballei h oxi kyrwseis, analoga me thn periptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti qa kanete dialogo. Me poioys qa kanete dialogo gia ta kanalia; Me toys kanalarxes poy yparxoyn; Me poioys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den einai dialogos me ta kanalia. Einai dialogos, opws anefera, gia qemata sygkentrwshs. Ta qemata sygkentrwshs den aforoyn mono tis thleoraseis, aforoyn synolika ta MME. Ara, loipon, sto dialogo@

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai kai h adeiodothsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H adeiodothsh afora ontws ta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis. To prwto skelos, ayto ths sygkentrwshs, afora synolika to xwro twn MME. Sto dialogo ayto qa metexoyn oles oi Enwseis, Syntaktwn, Idiokthtwn Meswn graptoy Typoy, periodikwn, hlektronikoy typoy, sthn Aqhna kai sthn ypoloiph Ellada. H lista aytwn poy qa symmetexoyn sto dialogo qa anakoinwqei syntoma.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos sta Grebena proxqes, tonise oti h kybernhsh den qa anextei organwmena symferonta kai kleista kyklwmata. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai ayta ta kleista kyklwmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia seira apo zhthmata, ta opoia allwste exoyn fanei, ta exei anadeijei kai h dikh mas politikh. Emeis exoyme dhlwsei polles fores oti eimaste apofasismenoi na proxwrhsoyme se megales metarryqmiseis poy einai anagkaies gia ton topo kai einai bebaiws pros ofelos toy kaqe polith. H endeiktikh anafora orismenwn tetoiwn megalwn metarryqmisewn poy apanta kai sto qema poy qesate, qa mporoyse na einai gia paradeigma, h leitoyrgia -me ton tropo poy leitoyrgei shmera kai pisteyw kalytera apo pote- ths Epitrophs Antagwnismoy. Sas qymizw oti, me mia seira apofasewn ths, h Epitroph Antagwnismoy epeshmane to problhma kai edwse kai lyseis. Qymizw tis yperbolikes times sta super-market, zhthmata daneiwn poy jekinhsan me diafores trapezes oi opoies epebalan kai prostima se opoion hqele na apoplhrwsei to daneio toy nwritera. Na qymisw mia allh politikh energeia, apo tis prwtes ths kybernhshs: H apistia peri thn yphresia sto Dhmosio, enw htan kakoyrghma, eixe metatrapei apo to PASOK se plhmmelhma, apo th dikh mas kybernhsh egine kai pali kakoyrghma. H katarghsh toy maqhmatikoy typoy, gia ton opoio tosa polla exei pei h kybernhsh, alla kai mia seira allwn pragmatwn, me ena apo ta teleytaia -to opoio exete diabasei kai stis efhmerides, to exei anakoinwsei kai o ypoyrgos Ygeias- to zhthma twn promhqeiwn sta nosokomeia. Mia seira tetoiwn ``kyklwmatwn'' h ``symferontwn'', mikrwn, kleistwn synhqws omadwn, einai ayta ta opoia exoyn mpei sto stoxastro ayths ths kybernhshs kai antimetwpizontai me megales qesmikes metarryqmiseis.

SARANTAKOS: Qa hqela na sas qesw ena qema, poy eqesa thn prohgoymenh ebdomada ston k. Antwnaro, alla den moy apanthse, giati isws den to gnwrize. Exete episkefqei eseis proswpika ta grafeia ths ``Eleyqerotypias'' kai exete symmetasxei se synanthseis me to epiteleio ths efhmeridas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw episkefqei ta grafeia pollwn efhmeridwn. Gia thn akribeia ta exw episkefqei ola. Exw episkefqei kai thn efhmerida poy ergazeste, otan hmoyn sthn antipoliteysh.

SARANTAKOS: Ws ekproswpos h ws ypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ws ypoyrgos den qymamai ean exw erqei sta grafeia ths efhmeridas ``Eqnos'', alla sigoyra exw erqei perissotero ths mias foras.

SARANTAKOS: Kai sthn efhmerida ``Eleyqerotypia'' ws ypoyrgos exete paei h ws ekproswpos toy kommatos ths N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai ws ypoyrgos.

SARANTAKOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti ena apo ta istorika stelexh ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqeros Typos'' k. Passalarhs, afoy eixate synanthqei me to epiteleio ths efhmeridas ``Eleyqerotypia'', eixe apeyqynei dhmosia to aithma na sas synanthsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw kanena dhmosio aithma, poy moy exei teqei, se sxesh me ranteboy. Exw kanei para polla ranteboy.

SARANTAKOS: Profanws oxi me ton k. Passalarh, ypoqetw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Laqos ypoqetete.

SARANTAKOS: Den to eipa egw, o k. Passalarhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ginei polla ranteboy me ekdotes, dieyqyntes kai dhmosiografoys ap` olo to fasma twn MME.

SARANTAKOS: Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k.Tegopoylo, tis opoies epibebaiwsate thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, einai proswpikh epilogh h meta apo systash sas, ws symboylos toy epi twn epikoinwniakwn qematwn egine ayth h synanthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas apanthsw gia ton tropo poy leitoyrgei h kybernhsh, se aytoy toy eidoys tis synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me dhmosiografoys.

SARANTAKOS: Qesmika rwtw, giati eseis eiste o symboylos toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ypoqesoyme oti ayrio synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me esas, qa erqei edw enas allos synadelfos sas kai qa me rwthsei me poia krithria synanthqhke me esas kai oxi me ekeinon. Antilambaneste oti mpainoyme se enan dromo poy einai lanqasmenos kai ejagei sigoyra lanqasmena symperasmata. Ektos kai ean yponoeite oti h synanthsh me enan dhmosiografo ypokryptei kati. Ean to yponoeite, tote na symfwnhsoyme oti pote sto ejhs den qa ginei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kanenan ekdoth, dieyqynth h dhmosiografo. Ean, loipon, qewroyme oti einai poiniko adikhma gia ton dhmosiografo na synantatai me ton Prwqypoyrgo h me ton opoio ypoyrgo, exete olh thn anesh, eite apo thn efhmerida sas, eite apo thn Enwsh sas na ypoballete mia sxetikh protash.

SARANTAKOS: Den milhsa gia poiniko adikhma, mia aplh erwthsh ekana. Poios eishghqhke ston k. Karamanlh na synanthqei me ton ekdoth ths ``Eleyqerotypias'' k. Tegopoylo, th stigmh poy ekdotes, oi opoioi sthrijan th N.D. proeklogika lene oti den exoyn dei oyte esas, oyte ton k. Karamanlh, epi dyo xronia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste sth dikh sas efhmerida; Giati endiafereste toso poly;

SARANTAKOS: Sthrije to ``Eqnos'' th N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Blepw oti endiafereste gia kapoia efhmerida. Qelete na peite eyqews gia poia;

SARANTAKOS: Akoysa ton ekdoth ths efhmeridas ``XWRA'' k. Tragkas na leei oti den sas exei dei epi dyo xronia. Alla, to zhthma moy den einai ayto. Rwthsa poios eishghqhke ston k. Karamanlh, ayto. Oyte gia poiniko adikhma eipa, oyte gia tipota allo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Posa xronia h 4eties xreiazetai h kybernhsh gia na lysei to dhmosionomiko problhma ths xwras; Me dedomeno oti o Prwqypoyrgos kai persi kai fetos sth DEQ eixe pei oti -opws ki eseis argotera- yparxei hmeromhnia lhjews to 2006, enw o k. Alogoskoyfhs xqes eipe oti xreiazomaste toylaxiston mia 8etia gia na lysoyme oristika to problhma. Giati den lete eyqews oti h litothta den exei hmeromhnia lhjews kai einai diarkeias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora poy ekane o ypoyrgos Oikonomias htan safhs kai den egine me ton tropo poy th metaferete. Eipe dhladh to aytonohto: Xreiazetai mia seira apo metarryqmiseis, oi opoies qa apodwsoyn se baqos xronoy. Opws jerete, sthn politikh yparxei ena dilhmma. O Prwqypoyrgos exei anaferqei kai dhmosiws se ayto. Dhladh, ean kapoios kinoymenos apo th qesh ths kybernhshs, proxwrhsei se apofaseis oi opoies mono epifaneiaka giatreyoyn, alla dhmioyrgoyn aisqhsh kinhtikothtas kai lysews problhmatwn -sthn oysia omws den lynoyn problhmata se baqos xronoy- h ean kanei qesmikes metarryqmiseis, oi opoies se baqos xronoy qa apodwsoyn gia ton polith kai gia thn politeia. Ayth einai h logikh, sthn opoia anaferqhke o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Bebaiws, isxyei oti se kaqe periptwsh h lhjh toy problhmatos ``elleimma'', to opoio paralabame se poly megala ych, einai opws thn exei orisei h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Me dedomeno oti hsastan polla xronia dhmosiografos sthn efhmerida ``Eleyqerotypias'' qa hqela na moy peite ti synaisqhmata exete olo ayto to diasthma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia poio logo na sas pw ti synaisqhmata exw ws ypoyrgos, se sxesh me to oti hmoyn dhmosiografos se kapoio entypo;

BLAXOS: Epeidh eiste armodios epi toy Typoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebomai ola ta MME kai to exw apodeijei.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia to gegonos oti o k. G. Papandreoy protaqhke gia Proedros ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxomaste kaqe epityxia sto stoxo toy. Epi th eykairia afoy milate gia MME kai ton k. Papandreoy, moy qymisate kai elpizw na mhn isxyei ayto poy diabasa sxedon sto synolo toy Typoy oti dhladh, apaithse apo ta MME na probaloyn sygkekrimena stelexh toy kommatos toy. Dioti sth dikh mas politikh filosofia den apaitei kaneis apo ta MME. Endexomenws zhta, prospaqei na peisei me ta epixeirhmata toy. Alla, ean isxyei ayto poy kataggelqhke kai apo anwtato stelexos toy PASOK, o k. Aqanasakhs -efoson o k. Papandreoy den mporei- kaleitai na parei qesh. To qewrw shmantiko apenanti kai sth dikh sas doyleia, alla kai sto politeyma mas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den to kathggeile kapoio stelexos, to eipe o k. Papandreoy se omilia toy. Eipe: ``Apaitw apo ta MME na probaloyn nea proswpa''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai akoma xeirotero. Qa perimenoyme na dhlwsei dhmosiws oti ekane laqos, ean isxyei ayto poy metaferete.

SPYRAKH: Yparxei drasthriothta toy Arxiepiskopoy ta teleytaia 24wra poy kineitai se dyo ajones. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn aytokaqarsh, sthn opoia proebh opws isxyrizetai h Ekklhsia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diadikasia ths aytokaqarshs einai dyskolh. Elpizoyme kai eyxomaste, se opoion proxwra se diadikasia aytokaqarshs, na epityxei ton teliko stoxo.

SPYRAKH: Pantws, ypoqetw oti ejakoloyqei na isxyei oti oydeis einai yperanw toy nomoy anejarthtoy idiothtas, se o,ti afora kai toys ierwmenoys poy emplekontai sto paradikastiko kyklwma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa apanthsw sygkekrimena sto erwthma, dioti antilambaneste oti einai san na erxomai na epishmanw kati poy den ginetai. Pisteyw oti genikws oydeis einai yperanw toy nomoy. Ayth einai basikh arxh, basiko systatiko ths dhmokratias mas.

TSIODRAS: Oloi oi ypoyrgoi exoyn zhthsei poly perissotera kondylia apo ayta poy problepei o proypologismos. Pws mporei na ylopoihqoyn politikes poy exoyn ejaggelqei, th stigmh poy ypoyrgoi den pairnoyn ta xrhmata poy xreiazontai, me bash ton proypologismo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hdh polles politikes, poy exoyn ejaggelqei proxwroyn. H alhqeia einai oti o prohgoymenos proypologismos edwse megalh barythta sta dhmosiooikonomika. Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw kati poy en allois logois anefera thn perasmenh ebdomada: Kamia allh xwra den katafere mesa se enan xrono na meiwsei to dhmosionomiko elleimma, kata perissotero apo 2 monades, diathrwntas parallhlws ryqmoys anaptyjhs apo toys ychloteroys sthn Eyrwph, alla kai na meiwsei thn anergia, estw kai kata ena mikro pososto, opws meiwqhke kai to gnwrizete. H prospaqeia olwn mas einai na katapolemhsoyme ta problhmata toy parelqontos gia na mporesoyme na baloyme tis baseis gia mia nea oikonomia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Wstoso to erwthma paramenei. Ygeia, paideia basikoi tomeis, astynomeysh, ekei zhtoyntai kapoia kondylia apo toys armodios ypoyrgoys, me bash tis anagkes poy krinoyn oi yphresies toys oti exoyn gia na ylopoihsoyn thn politikh toys, alla o proypologismos den problepei ayjhmenh xrhmatodothsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ejetasei kaneis to kaqe qema xwrista, qa xarakthrisei sigoyra polla apo ta aithmata, ws dikaiologhmena. Kai den milw gia aithmata genikws kai aoristws h aithmata ypoyrgeiwn, poly perissotero fysika oxi ypoyrgwn. To zhthma einai oti o proypologismos afora ton dhmosio tomea. Yparxoyn, epishs, se polloys alloys tomeis polla dikaiologhmena aithmata. Sto metro twn dynatothtwn, poy mas dinei h oikonomikh katastash shmera, proxwroyme.

PEPONHS: Eipate gia meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata dyo monades. Mporeite na mas peite ti pososto antistoixei se mh epanalambanomenes dapanes opws einai h Olympiada, oi eklogikes dapanes kai to programma dhmosiwn ependysewn poy to meiwsate kata 0,5 monada, ap` o,ti jerw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na apeyqynete to erwthma sas sth synenteyjh poy qa dwsei to apogeyma o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Eimai bebaios oti qa sas dwsei akribh apanthsh.

KORAH: H monajia toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias sto ypoyrgiko symboylio, problhmatizei ton Prwqypoyrgo; Sthn oysia exei apenanti toy toys Ypoyrgoys oi opoio mporei na apofeygoyn tis dhmosies dhlwseis alla einai gnwsto oti exoyn megalh dysareskeia dioti qewroyn oti se kapoioys tomeis o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei apotyxei para tis dikes toys qysies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akoyw thn erwthsh sas kai to sxolio ws dika sas sxolia kai erwthsh. Den exw akoysei kati tetoio na legetai apo opoiodhpote stelexos.

KORAH: Ton sthrizei olh h kybernhsh; Ayto ennoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew kai pali oti to sxolio einai diko sas kai den exw akoysei na to leei kapoios ypoyrgos h kapoio stelexos. Oloi oi ypoyrgoi exoyn to diko toys meridio eyqynhs sthn katartish toy proypologismoy. Den einai jafnika o enas o kakos kai oloi oi alloi eimaste kaloi.

KAKALHS: Ta epipleon 3,5 h 4 dis eyrw poy problepei o neos proypologismos ws esoda, afoy einai ayjhmena kata 7,9%, fortwnontai ejoloklhroy stis plates twn misqwtwn, twn syntajioyxwn kai twn mikromesaiwn. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h symbolh twn ``exontwn kai katexontwn'' h an yparxoyn chgmata koinwnikhs politikhs sthn kybernhtikh politikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pali bgazete ayqaireta symperasmata se o,ti afora ta oikonomika.

KAKALHS: Panta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai poy to epibebaiwnete legontas ``panta''.

KAKALHS: Bebaiws. Alla h zwh apodeiknyei alla, dystyxws gia sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei, opws sas exoyme ejhghsei kai gnwrizete poly kala, mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia se mia oikonomikh katastash h opoia den htan se kamia periptwsh h kalyterh. Kai bebaiws den htan se kamia periptwsh ayth poy prospaqoyse na anadeijei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Gnwrizete oti sthn prospaqeia ayth, h prwth epilogh einai zhthmata poy aforoyn misqwtoys kai syntajioyxoys kai oxi opws anaferate afaimajh misqwtwn kai syntajioyxwn.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa akoysete shmera to apogeyma polla epiqeta gia ton proypologismo. Ta akoyme kaqe xrono. Ayto poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw einai: Aytos o proypologismos poy dinei ayjhseis stoys ergazomenoys katw toy proypologismoy, mporei h kybernhsh na epimenei oti einai dikaios;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi ayjhseis kinoyntai peri ton plhqwrismo, allwste den exei anakoinwqei akomh to pososto. Qa milhsei analytika to apogeyma o k. Alogoskoyfhs sthn synenteyjh Typoy. Den antilambanomai ti ennoeite me ton xarakthrismo ``dikaios h adikos''.

XIWTHS: Ennow oti, an ta barh katanemontai me bash th dynamh toy kaqe polith. Mhpws dhladh aytos o proypologismos einai akomh enas proypologismos san aytoys toys opoioys kathggeile h Nea Dhmokratia ws antipoliteysh oti oi xamhlosyntajioyxoi, ta xamhla eisodhmata, ta xamhla strwmata epibarynontai perissotero;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den qa to elega se kamia periptwsh ayto.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos to Sabbato breqhke sthn Kozanh, sth Siatista, mesa se cofokryo. Mhpws allaje gnwmh gia to epidoma qermanshs; Giati oloi aytoi oi paragontes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy htan ekei kai den eixan aisqhma antipoliteytiko elegan ena pragma, se mas toys dhmosiografoys: ``Koitajte ti kryo exoyme kai den mas dinoyn to epidoma qermanshs''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na pw tipota perissotero apo osa eixa pei otan syzhthsame ayto to qema.

GALIATSATOS: Na epanelqw ligo sthn prohgoymenh enothta. Jefyllizontas to periodiko ths Neas Dhmokratias ``METEJELIJH'', eida mia epiqesh se dyo h treis synadelfoys stis selides toy. Gnwrizw oti den sxoliazete dhmosieymata, alla epeidh prokeitai gia epishmo periodiko toy kommatos, symmerizeste ayta poy grafei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dwsate hdh th mish apanthsh. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, epeidh einai ontws periodiko toy kommatos, qelw na sas pw oti epikoinwnhsa shmera to prwi me ton Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, ton k .Meimarakh, o opoios kai me enhmerwse oti, ean den exei steilei hdh, stelnei apanthsh sthn efhmerida poy anefere to qema gia ta ths ``METEJELIJHS''. Egw, opws gnwrizete, den synhqizw na kanw sxolia peran toy orioy ekeinoy mias syzhthshs kaqomiloymenhs kai ara oti yperbainei ayto den me briskei symfwno.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Anejarthtws twn oswn eipate -kai enas kalos syzhthths to anagnwrizei oti kanete prospaqeies gia na kalycete ola ta elleimmata, tis paraleiceis toy parelqontos- o aplos laos poy den mporei na katalabei ola ayta ta oikonomika megeqh, mporeite na moy peite ti kerdise se ayta ta dyo xronia poy einai h Nea Dhmokratia sta pragmata; Kai na to ejeidikeysw: O neodhmokraths h o opados alloy kommatos poy chfise th Nea Dhmokratia, otan blepei na akoloyqeitai mia oikonomikh politikh pali stenh, den problhmatizeste na skefteite ti skeftetai aytos o poliths; Giati sas chfise esas; Alliws qa chfize Shmith me thn idia oikonomikh politikh. Poia einai h diafora kai ti kerdise aytos poy sas chfise;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Katarxas den einai se kamia periptwsh idia h oikonomikh politikh. Ean htan idia qa eixe odhghsei se oleqria apotelesmata, enw hdh ta apotelesmata ths prwths xronias einai poly shmantika. Ta anagnwrizei, se poly megalo baqmo h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, dioti apo ekei jekinhse to meizon zhthma toy elleimmatos kai allwn problhmatwn poy afhse pisw ths h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Kata ta loipa, qa sas elega oti yparxei mia seira apo energeies poy aforoyn polles kathgories sympolitwn mas. Kai otan anaferomai se kathgories, den anaferomai se koinwnikes alla se epaggelmatikes kathgories, eite misqwtoi eite syntajioyxoi. Ena qema poy erxetai aifnhs sth mnhmh einai to zhthma toy LAFKA. Ena qema to opoio sxedon eixe jexastei apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Ena qema to opoio epilyqhke sto plaisio twn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn. Ena allo zhthma einai to zhthma twn panwtokiwn. Se ena poly megalo pososto exei lhfqei pronoia, prokeimenoy na arqoyn adikies toy parelqontos. Yparxoyn tetoia qemata sta opoia h kybernhsh exei hdh epideijei ergo.

TSIODRAS: Qa epimeinw sto zhthma ths ``METEJELIJHS'' gia ena allo qema. Se dyo titloys selidwn yparxei anafora sto ``MEGA''. H mia poy afora genikotera sthn thleorash kai sth leitoyrgia twn Meswn kai h allh se ena sygkekrimeno sirial poy proballetai ayth th stigmh, poy dinontai politikes diastaseis. Qelw na jerw an synomilhsate me ton k. Meimarakh kai gi ayta kai an yparxei kapoia ejhghsh giati.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na eimai apolytws eilikrinhs, den synomilhsa gi` ayta. Den exw diabasei to keimeno, ws ek toytoy den mporw na to sxoliasw. Allwste, apofeygw genikws na sxoliazw apoceis. Kaqenas mporei na ekfrazei eleyqera tis apoceis toy, arkei aytes na kinoyntai entos plaisioy deontologias. Kaname tosh anafora sthn arxh ths syzhthshs mas gia th deontologia, thn opoia kai qa yperaspistw ews teloys.

Sas eyxaristw.

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