Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-11-17

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Aqhna, 17 Noembrioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

H shmerinh epeteios toy Polytexneioy einai hmera mnhmhs kai timhs. Einai giorth Dhmokratias kai eqnikhs enothtas. Oi Ellhnides kai oi Ellhnes oloi mazi enwmenoi, timoyme shmera oloys osoi agwnisthkan kai qysiasthkan gia th Dhmokratia, thn eleyqeria kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh.

Sto onoma toys kai me to blemma sto mellon, stis genies poy erxontai, enwnoyme tis dynameis mas gia na apanthsoyme sta aithmata toy shmera kai tis proklhseis toy ayrio. Shmera poy h Dhmokratia mas einai isxyrh, to diakybeyma poy mas synexei einai o agwnas gia th diasfalish ths poiothtas toy Politeymatos. Einai h diarkhs maxh gia thn antimetwpish twn sysswreymenwn oikonomikwn kai koinwnikwn problhmatwn. Einai h maxh gia thn empedwsh enos neoy politikoy politismoy. Einai h synexhs prospaqeia gia thn anabaqmish toy dhmosioy bioy sth bash ths diafaneias, ths poiothtas, ths apotelesmatikothtas, toy hqoys kai ths entimothtas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me thn ekqesh ths Komision gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia poy deixnei oti oi stoxoi toys opoioys qelei na kalycei h kybernhsh to 2006 den sympiptei me tis ektimhseis ths Komision, kyriws se sxesh me to elleimma. Ara, loipon, mhpws qa prepei twra na omologhsei h kybernhsh epiteloys oti, nai, qa paroyme kainoyrgia metra, giati ayta ta opoia sas exoyme pei gia trith h tetarth fora -den qymamai poses- den isxyoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Exw thn aisqhsh oti diabazete laqos ta stoixeia ths Komision. H ekqesh ths Komision@

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh, den mila gia elleimma 4,4%;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den mila gia elleimma 4,4%. H ekqesh ths Komision -thn opoia paroysiazei, ej oswn gnwrizw, ayth th stigmh o k. Almoynia stis Bryjelles- deixnei antiqetws oti shmeiwnetai mia megalh beltiwsh sta dhmosionomika megeqh, sth dhmosionomikh katastash sthn Ellada, h opoia malista epibebaiwnetai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Sygkekrimena, apo thn ekqesh ayth prokyptei oti to elleimma ths Genikhs kybernhshs meiwnetai fetos kata 2,9 posostiaies monades, sxedon treis monades, dhladh apo to 6,6% sto 3,7% toy AEP. Ayth einai mia para poly shmantikh diapistwsh poy kanei h Epitroph kai kineitai sto plaisio oswn eixe ejaggeilei h kybernhsh. H kybernhsh epidiwkei staqera th meiwsh toy elleimmatos katw apo to 3% toy AEP mexri to telos toy 2006, me thn efarmogh ths hpias prosarmoghs poy apodeiknyetai sthn prajh oti einai apotelesmatikh. H politikh ayth -epanalambanw- basizetai sth sygkrathsh twn dapanwn, sthn antimetwpish ths spatalhs kai ths forodiafyghs, qa apotypwnetai de me safh tropo ston Proypologismo poy, opws gnwrizete, qa katateqei pros chfish sth Boylh thn erxomenh Deytera 21 Noembrioy.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh, exw laqos plhroforhsh oti gia to 2006 problepei elleimma 4,4%;

ANTWNAROS: Den einai aytoi oi ariqmoi.

POYLIDOY: Einai, omws, 3,8% gia to 2006 kai to 2007.

ANTWNAROS: Se kaqe periptwsh@

MOYRTHS: To 3,7% k. Ekproswpe einai me titlopoihsh h xwris;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn ektimhsh meiwshs toy elleimmatos, dioti akomh einai ektimhsh meiwshs gia to 2005 exoyn symperilhfqei esoda ycoys 1,5 dis. eyrw apo titlopoihseis lhjiproqesmwn xrewn pros to Dhmosio.

TSIODRAS: Ara, loipon, gia to fetino isxyei oti h prosmetrhsh ginetai me thn titlopoihsh, enw gia to 2006 o stoxos einai katw apo to 3%, omws oi probleceis miloyn gia 3,8% apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Lete oti den einai ayto to stoixeio. Poios einai o ariqmos; H problech ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs einai oti qa eimaste katw apo to 3%;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis anaferqhkate sto 4,4% kai egw espeysa na dieykrinisw oti ayto den einai to swsto noymero. Epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora oti oi stoxoi poy eqese h kybernhsh gia to 2005 pragmatopoioyntai kai epibebaiwnontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Gia to 2006, as perimenoyme na doyme tis ejelijeis. Se teleytaia analysh, ekeino poy metra einai ta sygkekrimena kai xeiropiasta apotelesmata.

POYLIDOY: Se kaqe periptwsh, o stoxos toy 3% ths Komision den epibebaiwnetai gia to 2006 kai 2007 problepei elleimma 3,8%.

ANTWNAROS: Staqeros stoxos ths kybernhshs einai h meiwsh toy elleimmatos, sto telos toy 2006, katw apo to 3%.

POYLIDOY: Eseis mas lete poios einai o stoxos, egw sas rwtw poia einai h@

ANTWNAROS: Ayth th stigmh plhsiazoyme sth lhjh toy oikonomikoy etoys 2005. Ekeino poy metra einai oti h kybernhsh petyxainei toys stoxoys ths. Kai ayto katagrafetai panta se sygkekrimenh xronikh periodo, sto xroniko diasthma poy exoyme hdh dianysei kai mesa ston opoio oi stoxoi ths kybernhshs exoyn pragmatopoihqei.

POYLIDOY: Me tis titlopoihseis mesa, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Me tis titlopoihseis mesa. Ma, o ariqmos poy eixame pei arxika elambane ypoch tis titlopoihseis.

POYLIDOY: Alla twra tis bgalate. Ayto sas lew.

ANTWNAROS: Poioi tis ebgalan;

POYLIDOY: Sto sxedio toy proypologismoy den einai oi titlopoihseis.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exoyme pei. H Komision monh ths -kai ayto endexomenws mporei na qewrhqei ws prokrima kai to ypogrammizw ws prokrima monon gia thn apofash poy qa parei h EUROSTAT- ypologizei tis titlopoihseis. Ayto apodeiknyei oti oi isxyrismoi diaforwn pws dhqen katw apo thn piesh ths Epitrophs h ellhnikh kybernhsh afairese tis titlopoihseis apo ton proypologismo toy 2005, den exei kamia bash.

POYLIDOY: Qa exete ypoch sas thn ekqesh ths ``Alpha Finance'' gia th DEH, h opoia metajy allwn leei th xarakthristikh frash ``oti to 2005 h dioikhsh ths DEH ekane o,ti mporoyse na paei straba gia thn etaireia''. Hqela na sas rwthsw, me oles aytes tis mayres probleceis gia meiwsh twn kerdwn, -``katrakyla'' thn onomazei- an h kybernhsh ejakoloyqei na einai eyxaristhmenh apo th dioikhsh ths DEH.

ANTWNAROS: Den exei allajei tipota.

POYLIDOY: Einai eyxaristhmenh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei allajei tipota.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den exw katalabei ean o k. Alogoskoyfhs qa kataqesei ena kainoyrgio proypologismo, ton tetarto kata seira, opoy qa prosqetei pleon kai thn titlopoihsh h qa parameinoyme se ayto ton trito proypologismo.

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas, den exei katateqei kanenas proypologismos. Exei katateqei prosxedio.

KORAH: Exei anakoinwqei, omws, o genikos kormos, o opoios den perilambanei thn titlopoihsh.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe xronia, katatiqetai ena prosxedio proypologismoy epi toy opoioy ginontai syzhthseis, allages kai prosarmoges. Isxyoyn osa sas eipame: H kybernhsh qa kataqesei proypologismo xwris titlopoihsh. Isxyoyn ayta poy exei pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Den allazei tipota. Aplws, shmera, ginetai mia ektimhsh ths trexoysas katastashs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

KORAH: Pws aisqanetai o Prwqypoyrgos poy h k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, alla kai alla stelexh, to teleytaio diasthma kaqhmerina toy lene pws qa kybernhsei. Dhladh, na kanei ena mikro kybernhtiko symboylio, na kanei mia epitroph antimetwpishs krisewn, mia allh kybernhtikh Epitroph poy na asxoleitai me ta epikoinwniaka. Aisqanetai eyxarista na toy lene pws qa kybernhsei;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai ekeinos poy lambanei tis telikes apofaseis. Einai fysiko na akoyei kai na katagrafei tis apoceis olwn twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias.

BLAXOS: Qetw ena qema hqikhs tajews kai entimhs antimetwpishs toy kratoys apenanti ston polith. Opws gnwrizete, polloi Ellhnes exoyn oikonomika problhmata kai ws ek toytoy einai anagkasmenoi na kanoyn ena programmatismo. Kaqe xrono, loipon, h teleytaia dosh ths Eforias erxetai telh Dekembrioy. Fetos, h teleytaia dosh erxetai telh Noembrioy. Ayto einai entimh symperifora toy kratoys apenanti ston polith;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai etoimos na sas apanthsw. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

BLAXOS: Ean symbainei ayto, einai entimh h symperifora toy kratoys apenanti ston polith;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Xqes apo thn kybernhsh xarakthristhke proklhtikh h ekqesh melwn ths ``17 Noembrh'' sto Polytexneio. Qa hqela na rwthsw, h apofash twn prytanikwn Arxwn na egkrinoyn thn pragmatopoihsh ayths ths ekqeshs einai proklhtikh kata thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei sto akeraio h dhlwsh poy ekane xqes o k. Roysopoylos, ekproswpwntas thn kybernhsh: Oti se mia shmantikh -opws th xarakthrisa kai egw sthn eisagwgh moy- epeteio gia thn apokatastash ths Dhmokratias, h probolh tetoiwn mhnymatwn apotelei proklhsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai ws antipoliteysh, alla kai ws kybernhsh, kaloyse toys neoys na mpoyn sto Internet na proxwrhsei h plhroforikh kai malista toys yposxeqhke fqhno Internet kai syndromes stoys foithtes. Twra erxetai o OTE kai kanei foberes ayjhseis, legontas oti exei na to ayjhsei apo to 1999. Den hjere o Prwqypoyrgos oti eixe na ayjhqei apo tote kai twra eidika th nyxta kanei ayjhseis gyrw sta 500%.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh yposthrizei me poly sygkekrimenoys tropoys thn prosbash olwn twn Ellhnwn politwn kai oxi mono twn newn @einai bebaiws fysiko na epikentrwnomaste stoys neoys giati aytoi kanoyn megalyterh xrhsh- sthn Koinwnia ths Plhroforias. Oloklhrwnetai h proqesh h opoia exei diatypwqei gia poly eynoikh prosbash sto Internet oswn foitoyn sta A.E.I.. Taytoxrona -kai ayto yposthrizetai kai nomoqetika- lambanontai metra pros enisxysh ths legomenhs eyryzwnikothtas. Dhladh ths dynatothtas poy exoyn oi xrhstes toy Internet, poy ayjanoyn synexws ariqmhtika, na mporoyn na kanoyn th doyleia toys sto diadiktyo me megales taxythtes prosbashs. Ayth akribws h prospaqeia, qa yposthrixqei me kaqe tropo. Shmasia exei na dieykolynqei h prosbash twn xrhstwn stoys tropoys me toys opoioys mporoyn na xrhsimopoihsoyn to Internet me megales taxythtes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me 400% ayjhseis qa proxwrhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Hmoyn poly sygkekrimenos s@ ayta poy eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai treis fores panw apo thn Germania aytes oi times. Eseis jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Hmoyn poly sygkekrimenos se ayta poy eipa. Eimai bebaios oti o OTE qa antapokriqei sthn anaptyjh aytwn twn diktywn poy einai to keleysma twn kairwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Na anamenoyme parembash Prwqypoyrgoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota.

BLAXOS: O k. Boyrloymhs einai sth qesh toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den epikoinwnhsa shmera mazi toy, den exw logo omws na pisteyw to antiqeto.

TSIODRAS: An yparxei periptwsh epanejetashs ths sygkekrimenhs timologiakhs politikhs toy OTE gia to Internet.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote panw s@ ayto.

TRIKAS: Mhpws plhrwnoyme mesw aytwn twn iliggiwdwn ayjhsewn thn eqeloysia ejodo poy symfwnhse h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den syndeetai to ena qema me to allo.

SIDERHS: Kat` arxas, einai mh ygihs antagwnismos. Giati thn eyryzwnikothta thn exei monopwlio o OTE kai oxi alles etairies. Deyteron: Pws bohqeitai h eykolh prosbash otan se wqei sthn eyryzwnikothta h opoia exei ayjhmeno timologio; Etsi qa mpoyme sth nea epoxh; Einai tajiko metro. Apokleiontai oi xamhlomisqoi na mpainoyn sto Internet;

ANTWNAROS: Qetete polla qemata se mia erwthsh. Prwton: H prosbash sto diadiktyo me eyryzwnikothta den einai monopwlio toy OTE. O OTE einai o kentrikos paroxos. Alla to zhtoymeno einai na exoyn prosbash sto Internet oso to dynaton perissoteroi xrhstes me megales taxythtes. Ayth einai kai h tash se olo ton kosmo. Dhladh na mpainoyn sto Internet me oso to dynato megalyteres taxythtes se oso to dynato xamhloteres times. Afhste loipon na doyme tis ejelijeis.

SIDERHS: Edw ginetai to antiqeto. Ayjanetai h eykolh prosbash. Qa paei o xamhlomisqos ypallhlos h syntajioyxos h opoiosdhpote na mpei me DSL kai na plhrwsei diplasia kai triplasia, anti na toy epitrepetai ayth thn yparxoysa eykolh kai fqhnh syndesh;

KORAH: O k. Boyrloymhs einai epilogh ths kybernhshs. Den phre monos toy ayth th qesh. Pws anakoinwnete tetoioy eidoys apofaseis, otan edw fainetai oti h kybernhsh diafwnei; Ti ginetai s@ aytes tis periptwseis; Kai poia apo tis dyo grammes isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn ola osa eipa molis pro oligoy kai ola osa eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes se ayth edw thn aiqoysa, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Den diafwnei. Ton kalyptete.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipa.

BLAXOS: Egw den katalabainw giati isxyoyn ayta poy lete eseis kai o k. Roysopoylos to Noembrio toy 2005 kai den isxyoyn ayta poy elege o k. Karamanlhs prin tis ekloges. Poios exei megalyterh barythta apenanti ston ellhniko lao; Eseis h o Prwqypoyrgos; Giati o Prwqypoyrgos exei ekteqei. Kai aytos poy phre ayth thn apofash, ekqetei oysiastika ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ton emfanizei anajiopisto. Kai einai qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy na parembei kai na parei metra.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei analabei desmeysh gia ependysh stis nees texnologies.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei analabei desmeysh gia fqhnh prosbash. Einai frash thn opoia exei pei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Me diakocate sth mesh ths frashs moy. Den me afhnete na teleiwsw. Epanalambanw: O Prwqypoyrgos exei analabei desmeysh gia ependysh stis nees texnologies. Exei milhsei gia paroxh fqhnhs syndeshs sto Internet gia toys foithtes, kati to opoio proxwraei hdh me grhgora bhmata kai qa ginei syntoma pragmatikothta. Den yparxei kamia apolytws antifash.

SIDERHS: Kala oi foithtes. O eleyqeros epaggelmatias poso qa plhrwsei kai poso qa ayjhsei to kostos ths ergasias toy; O ypallhlos, o syntajioyxos, poso qa plhrwsei poy exei anagkh na dei kati sto Internet; Ayjanetai to kostos kai periqwriopoioyntai tmhmata ths ellhnikhs koinwnias poy den qa mporoyn na ypoferoyn ayto to kostos.

ANTWNAROS: Den prosejate osa eipa prohgoymenws. H prospaqeia toy OTE einai na ayjhsei kai na anaptyjei ta dikaia eyryzwnikothtas ta opoia xrhsimopoioyntai se olo ton kosmo me taxytata ayjanomenoys ryqmoys. Ta diktya ta opoia xrhsimopoiei mexri stigmhs, ap@ oti antilambanomai h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn, den einai ayta ta opoia ginontai antikeimeno eyreias xrhshs sto ejwteriko.

SIDERHS: Qa xamhlwsei omws ta timologia eyryzwnikothtas;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo sto qema.

MOYRTHS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei gia toys foithtes fqhno Internet h dwrean Internet;

ANTWNAROS: Na koitajw thn akribh diatypwsh kai qa sas apanthsw.

MOYRTHS: O OTE to 2004 paroysiase gia prwth fora zhmia kai fetos problepetai akomh megalyterh zhmia. Mhpws aytos einai enas tropos na kleisei ston isologismo toy th ``mayrh trypa'';

ANTWNAROS: Den syndeontai metajy toys ayta ta qemata.

BLAXOS: Eipate na koitajete ti exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos; Gia to ti exei pei kai ti exei desmeytei o Prwqypoyrgos apenanti ston ellhniko lao prepei na einai eyaggelio gia sas. Dhladh prwta qa eprepe na exete enhmerwqei ti exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos kai meta na erqete na mas peite, dioti prepei na eiste sthn idia eyqeia grammh me ayta poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy sas eipa, einai para poly aplo. Mh diastrefete kai mh moy apodidete pragmata ta opoia egw den eipa.

BLAXOS: Mono gia sas ta lew kai gia ton k. Roysopoylo.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton: Sas parakalw poly na mh kanete sxolia gia atoma ta opoia den einai paronta sthn aiqoysa. Ayto jefeygei twn kanonwn ths deontologias. Deyteron: Bebaiws kai jerw ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Alla den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh kaqe frash, kaqe lejh na mporw na thn apodidw me apolyth akribeia. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai na ylopoihqoyn oi programmatikes diakhryjeis ths kybernhshs. Kai ayto ginetai kai qa synexisei na ginetai.

SARANTAKOS: Tis teleytaies hmeres apokalyfqhkan kapoies synanthseis poy eixan o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Epikrateias me ton ekdoths ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS kai to dieyqynth ths efhmeridas. To prwto moy erwthma einai me poia krithria epilegontai aytes oi synanthseis me toys ekdotes kai toys dieyqyntes twn efhmeridwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero apo ayta poy eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes.

SARANTAKOS: Den eipe. Rwtw ta krithria, dhladh giati epelegh na synanthqoyn o k. Karamanlhs kai o k. Roysopoylos me@

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na apanthsw tipota pera apo ayto. Alimono an o Prwqypoyrgos den exei th dynatothta na epilegei toys synomilhtes toy.

SARANTAKOS: Toys epilegei o idios h meta apo eishghsh toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo s` ayto poy eipa.

SARANTAKOS: Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti ekdoths efhmeridas poy sthrije th Nea Dhmokratia proeklogika, o k. Giwrgos Tragkas, se dhlwseis toy xqes ston thleoptiko staqmo ALPHA eipe oti epi dyo xronia den exei katorqwsei na dei oyte ton Ypoyrgo Epikrateias oyte ton Prwqypoyrgo.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos ektos apo thn periodeia sta Grebena, mexri to telos toy xronoy qa kanei kai alles periodeies kyriws se agrotikes perioxes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exei oloklhrwqei to programma twn drasthriothtwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MPOTSARAKOS: To prwi o k. Papalhgoyras synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai amesws meta yposthrije oti ``qa ftasei mexri teloys h ereyna gia to paradikastiko kyklwma, sas diabebaiwnw oti synexizetai kai oti qa oloklhrwqei''. Anarwtiemai, yphrxe kapoios logos na kanei tetoies diabebaiwseis o Ypoyrgos; Mhpws yparxoyn kapoioi poy bazoyn empodia; Gnwrizei kati tetoio h kybernhsh sthn prospaqeia ths h sthn prospaqeia ths dikaiosynhs gia thn apokalych toy kyklwmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Apolytws oxi. Den yparxei tipota tetoio. O k. Papalhgoyras, opws gnwrizete, synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo, opws synantwntai oloi oi Ypoyrgoi. Ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy apanthse stis erwthseis poy toy eqesan oi paristamenoi edw h alloi synadelfoi sas. Epanelabe mia pagia qesh ths kybernhshs apo thn opoia den yparxei apolytws kamia apoklish.

MOYRTHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw gia th dhlwsh toy k. Papalhgoyra epeidh exei amfisbhthqei h armodiothta toy na mila gia qemata kaqarshs ths dikaiosynhs apo thn antipoliteysh. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs s` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Alimono an o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs den exei to dikaiwma na topoqeteitai se qemata kaqarshs poy aforoyn th Dikaiosynh.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na mas peite an symfwneite h an yioqeteite thn apoch toy k. Polydwra oti den einai h kybernhsh light alla einai en genei h politikh light etsi opws efarmozetai kai ekproswpeitai apo ta dyo kommata ejoysias.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw tis dhlwseis toy k. Polydwra.

IWANNOY: An eseis pisteyete oti pragmati h politikh poy askeitai apo ta dyo megala kommata einai ``light''.

ANTWNAROS: Den ekana egw kamia tetoia dhlwsh.

SIDERHS: Xqes, eixame to kacimo enos ban ths astynomias. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na timhsei me metallio ton arxhgo twn dynamewn ekeinwn; To lew qelontas na pw oti alles fores toys kaine ta ban, alles fores toys pairnoyn ta pistolia, alles fores toys pairnoyn ta aytokinhta. Toys kaine ta aytokinhta ejw apo astynomika tmhmata. Eniote exoyme astynomia kai eniote exoyme astynomia karikatoyra. Qa kanei kati h kybernhsh; Den ofeiletai se sas mono. To paralabate.

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na symmeristw me kanena tropo ton ypotimhtiko tropo me ton opoio ekfrazeste gia tis gynaikes kai toys antres twn swmatwn asfaleias oi opoioi, opws gnwrizete, gia para polles wres, eidika aytes tis hmeres, poy einai apaithtikes, kanoyn to kaqhkon toys. Kai epiteloyn to kaqhkon toys, sth syntriptikh toys pleiochfia, sto akeraio.

SIDERHS: Den antilegei kaneis, apla rwthsa an skopeyei h kybernhsh na epanekpaideysei to astynomiko swma gia na steketai stis peristaseis. Den arkei h aytoqysia, xreiazetai kai h ekpaideysh.

ANTWNAROS: Ejakoloyqw na mhn mporw na katalabw ton tropo apareskeias me ton opoion ekfrazeste gia ta swmata asfaleias.

SIDERHS: Epeidh synhqws den kanw syzhthsh, apla qa sas pw oti gia gegonota milhsa.

ANTWNAROS: Ejartatai pws blepei kaneis ta gegonota kai an ``thn trixa thn kanei trixia''.

MPOTSARAKOS: Gia thn oikonomia qelw na rwthsw kati akomh. En ocei ths kataqeshs toy proypologismoy kai me thn ekqesh ayth ths komision, mporei h kybernhsh shmera, sth dedomenh stigmh, na apokleisei to endexomeno ths epibolhs mikrwn h megalyterwn endexomenws eispraktikwn metrwn gia to 2006; Mporei na apokleistei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei oti exei pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Tipota peran aytoy.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizete an kai pote o k. Roysopoylos episkefthke thn ELEYQEROTYPIA kai synanthqhke me to dhmosiografiko ths epiteleio;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

SARANTAKOS: Den to gnwrizete h @

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw.

SARANTAKOS: Gnwrizete an exei episkefqei epiteleia kai allwn efhmeridwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw sygkekrimenes plhrofories, opws aytes gia tis opoies me rwtate@

SARANTAKOS: Giati; Einai mystikes; Fantazomai oti einai@

ANTWNAROS: O k. Roysopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Epikrateias@

SARANTAKOS: Idiwtikes einai oi synanthseis aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na moy epitrecete na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy. O k. Roysopoylos einai Ypoyrgos Epikrateias me armodiothta, metajy twn allwn, gia ta qemata twn MME. Pragmatopoiei, opws gnwrizete -kai polloi apo esas to gnwrizete kai apo dikh sas empeiria- para polles synanthseis kai sto grafeio toy kai ektos aytoy. Den eimai se qesh na gnwrizw me leptomereies tis synanthseis, tis epafes, tis episkeceis tis opoies kanei o k. Roysopoylos se ola ta MME. Kai, opws gnwrizete, ta MME sth xwra mas -doja tw Qew- einai para polla.

SARANTAKOS: Egw den sas rwthsa tis leptomereies. Ean gnwrizete ena gegonos rwthsa. Den qelw na moy peite ti syzhthqhke, pros Qeoy. Fantazomai den qa to jerete. Alla rwthsa ws gegonos an to jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa oti den gnwrizw.

SARANTAKOS: Einai en kryptw aytes oi synanthseis; Qelw na pw, den syzhtoyntai oyte kan metajy ymwn poy eiste kai stenoi synergates;

ANTWNAROS: Ti ennoeite ``en kryptw''; Pws mporeis na episkefqeis ta grafeia mias efhmeridas, enos radiofwnikoy staqmoy, enos thleoptikoy staqmoy kai na einai en kryptw; Moy lete pragmata ta opoia den exoyn bash.

SARANTAKOS: Epeidh den to jerete, gi` ayto rwtw. Giati fantazomai oti qa eprepe na to jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. O k. Roysopoylos kaqe hmera, opws kai egw allwste, kanoyme para polles synanthseis, episkeceis, epafes. Apla pragmata sas lew.

MPOTSARAKOS: Gia to qema ths apofashs toy misqodikeioy: Anadromika 9%, oxi paragrafh sta 5 xronia, ews 5 xronia katabolh. Erwtw, h kybernhsh qa efarmosei ayth thn apofash; Giati afora para poly kosmo poy kanei na lambanei xrhmata apo to dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw se kamia periptwsh -opws den to exw kanei pote- apofaseis dikastikwn organwn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Den zhtw na tis sxoliasete. Rwtw an qa efarmosete thn apofash.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

Sas eyxaristw.

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