Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-11-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Aqhna, 8 Noembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia asxolhqhke me qemata poy aforoyn th naytikh ekpaideysh. O ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias Manwlhs Kefalogiannhs anelyse to sxedio nomoy gia thn anabaqmish kai anadiarqrwsh ths naytikhs ekpaideyshs kai proebh se sxetikes dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio, stis 12.30, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Proedro ths Armenias k. Rompert Kosarian.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PAPAGIANNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exw na qesw dyo erwthseis. H prwth afora, oxi ta proswpika xarakthristika ths xqesinhs dhmoskophshs poy dhmosiopoihqhke apo to MEGA, alla to gegonos oti koryfaioi ypoyrgoi ths kybernhshs, eseis, o k. Paylopoylos, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, briskeste xamhla ws pros th dhmotikothta poy apanthsan oi erwthqentes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw anaferqei kai sto parelqon sto qema twn dhmoskophsewn. Synhqws, den sxoliazw dhmoskophseis. Qewroyme oti einai shmantika ergaleia poy apotypwnoyn th stigmh kai ws tetoies tis eklambanoyme kai tis meletoyme.

PAPAGIANNHS: H deyterh erwthsh moy afora ton k. Stayroy. Tiqetai qema apopomphs toy me nees diadikasies sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, enocei ths syzhthshs poy qa exei ayrio to Kolegio twn Epitropwn gia tis ypo dieyrynsh xwres, hqela na sas rwthsw, ypoqetw oti afoy den gnwrizete apo dikes sas phges oti h Toyrkia epanhlqe sto casus belli, den askeite kai piesh gia na arqei to casus belli. Swsta ypoqetw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An ayth einai h erwthsh sas, h politikh poy exoyn askhsei oi kybernhseis, toso toy PASOK, oso kai ths Neas Dhmokratias sto qema, einai akribws oi idies. Den exei allajei tipota. Qewroyme, dhladh, oti tetoioy eidoys apofaseis, skeceis kai protaseis den bohqoyn, se kamia periptwsh, sthn kalytereysh toy klimatos metajy twn dyo xwrwn kai bebaiws kai sthn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias.

POYLIDOY: Kai gnwrizete an tiqetai kati tetoio sto strathgiko xarti poy qa ekponhsei ayrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to gnwrizw. Exoyme anaferqei kai pali se ayth th syzhthsh.

LEONTITSH: Prin apo ligo, 19 boyleytes toy PASOK kateqesan sth Boylh erwthsh, me thn opoia kataggelloyn oti yparxei emplokh ypoyrgwn, boyleytwn kai epixeirhmatikwn symferontwn ths ellhnikhs, alla kai ths germanikhs pleyras, akomh kai toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, gia na analabei germanikh etaireia, etaireia germanikwn symferontwn, ton elegxo asfaleias aposkeywn se eji aerodromia ths xwras. Epishs, kataggelloyn oti kai o Germanos presbhs parenebh sto qema. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn erwthsh qa doqei analytikh apanthsh dia ths koinoboyleytikhs odoy.

BLAXOS: Eipate oti ta gkalop einai ena shmantiko ergaleio, to opoio lambanete ypoch sas. Qewreite, dhladh, oti to gkalop poy afora th dhmotikothta kybernhtikwn stelexwn qa to labei sobara ypoch toy kai o k. Karamanlhs sto epikeimeno anasxhmatismo; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa ayto. Na mhn epanalabw ayto poy anefera prin apo ligo, to gnwrizete. Einai mia pagia qesh, thn opoia xrhsimopoioyme kai xrhsimopoiw se ayth thn aiqoysa, gia tis dhmoskophseis. Tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Yparxei qema Mhliakoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

BLAXOS: Epeidh yparxei ena reportaz, to exete dei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den yparxei qema.

KAKALHS: An den einai h ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias kai h meiwsh twn syntajewn o stoxos toy dialogoy gia to asfalistiko poy jekinhse jana xqes, poios einai tote o stoxos ths kybernhshs; Giati den mporei na einai h meiwsh kai h patajh ths forodiafyghs kai gi` ayto den xreiazetai dialogos, para mono epideijh boylhshs gia na antimetwpistei. Giati den kanete safeis toys stoxoys toys dialogoy gia to asfalistiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To erwthma sas exei apanthqei, polles fores. Malista apanthqhke kai xqes apo toys dyo ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi kalesan thn OKE na analabei thn prwtoboylia. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Den exei apanthqei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw, toylaxiston, exw erwthqei apo esas se ayth thn aiqoysa, polles fores kai sas edwsa apanthseis. Kata synepeia, den qa epanalabw tis idies apanthseis.

KAKALHS: Apodeiknyetai oti den exei apanthqei. Sas zhtane sygkekrimenh atzenta.

BLAXOS: H ellhnikh pleyra, h ellhnikh kybernhsh, exei plhrofories gia piqanh kaqodhghsh twn newn poy exoyn jeshkwqei sth Gallia apo alla kentra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SIDERHS: Synhqws h diaplokh einai mia kybernhtikh ypoqesh. H diafqora qewreite oti einai eqnikh ypoqesh, anejarthtws kommatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parapemcw se oles tis anafores poy exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos, oxi mono ws Prwqypoyrgos alla kai ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

SIDERHS: Synhqws o Prwqypoyrgos miloyse gia th diaplokh, egw rwtw gia th diafqora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai gia th diafqora exoyn yparjei sygkekrimenes topoqethseis kai qeseis ths Neas Dhmokratias apo thn periodo poy htan antipoliteysh.

SIDERHS: Na ypoqesoyme oti qa kalesete to PASOK na kataqesei eggrafws kai leptomerws tis qeseis kai qa tis parete sobara;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei kai allh fora, otan yparxoyn qeseis oi opoies edrazontai sthn pragmatikothta kai periexoyn protaseis poy bohqoyn sthn epilysh tetoiwn problhmatwn, tis lambanoyme sobara ypoch. Arkei na mhn einai genikologes kai aoristes opws symbainei synhqws mexri twra.

SIDERHS: Oi teleytaies qewreite oti einai genikologes kai giati den toys kaleite na tis kataqesoyn se mia armodia epitroph;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oloi oi boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy exoyn thn eykairia na kataqesoyn sygkekrimenes apoceis se polles epitropes kai sthn Olomeleia. Sas qymizw to megalo qorybo poy ekanan boyleytes toy PASOK, prin apo 10 mhnes me tis perifhmes 8 protaseis. Deka mhnes meta, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs erxetai na pei oti twra tis epejergazontai. Otan, loipon, tis epejergastoyn se baqos kai ypobaloyn protaseis poy den qa einai genikologes kai aoristes, bebaiws h kybernhsh qa dextei th syzhthsh kai qa ensternistei, isws, kai kapoies apo aytes. Arkei, epanalambanw, na mhn einai genikologoi aforismoi.

SIDERHS: Niwqete aytarkhs oti qa mporoysate na xtyphsete monoi sas th diafqora;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena allo qema. Sigoyra eimaste apofasismenoi kai to exoyme deijei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn prosqeta metra sta boreia synora mas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta thn apomakrynsh toy k. Regkoyza apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, den janasyzhthqhke to qema gi` ayto to daxtylidi elegxoy toy laqremporioy gia ta kaysima, ki an prokeitai na proxwrhsei h stamathse meta thn apomakrynsh toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Tetoia erwthmata einai bebaiws genikoteroy kai eyryteroy endiaferontos. Parakalw na to ypobalete sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Oikonomias h qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sas eixa janarwthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qa hqela na epanelqw sth dhmoskophsh. Esas proswpika, sas problhmatizei h ``baqmologia'' h opoia einai arnhtikh, meion 3,9;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw allo sxolio.

KAKALHS: O eteros boyleyths ths N.D. k. Dendias, zhthse xqes thn arsh monimothtas twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Den akoysa kanena armodio kybernhtiko h kommatiko stelexos na xarakthrizei ``atyxestath'' th dhlwsh toy h na ton egkalei. Na ypoqesoyme oti me bash ayto h kybernhsh enqarrynei tetoies apoceis twn boyleytwn toy kybernwntos kommatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na ypoqesete kati aploystero: Kaqe boyleyths kata to Syntagma mporei na diatypwnei eleyqera idees h protaseis. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei safws s@ ayto. O Prwqypoyrgos exei erwthqei kai sthn DEQ, an den me apata h mnhmh moy.

KAKALHS: Otan o Gewrgiadhs eixe ekfrasei ``arnhtikh'' apoch, ton eixate egkalesei. Eixate xarakthrisei kai `` atyxestath'' thn apoch toy. Den blepw na kanete to idio me ton k. Dendia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eprokeito gia ena eqniko qema.

KAKALHS: Ayto, h arsh ths monimothtas, einai mikroterhs shmasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei shmasia. Alla exei shmasia kai oti h kybernhsh exei topoqethqei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Yparxoyn kai alles prokhryjeis poy den aforoyn to ASEP, opws ayth poy eidame shmera na dhmosieyetai sxetika me thn proslhch 70 oikonomologwn sto Elegktiko Synedrio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Elegktiko Synedrio, opws gnwrizete, einai ena difyes organo dhladh ektos apo Dioikhtikh Arxh einai kai Dikasthrio. Edw kai xronia, akoloyqei diadikasies akribws me ton idio tropo.

BLAXOS: Diabasate to biblio toy k. Shmith, telika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den prolaba na to oloklhrwsw. Mh me rwthsete, oyte ayrio qa to exw teleiwsei.

BLAXOS: Kati allo. Epeidh dhmioyrghqhke prosfata, enas qorybos me tis dhlwseis toy k. Gewrgiadh, o opoios elege oti oysiastika to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn exei teleiwsei kai oloi miloyn anaferomenoi sthn perioxh me to onoma ``MAKEDONIA'', afora kati esas poy moy ekane entypwsh: Proxqes eixe ena reportaz to EURO NEWS gia thn chfish sthn Ellhnikh Boylh ths entajhs ths Roymanias kai ths Boylgarias kai bebaia sto xarth kai sto spikaz o paroysiasths miloyse gia thn Makedonia xwris wstoso na kaneis na pei tipota sto EURO NEWS kai synexizei kai thn apokalei ``MAKEDONIA''. To idio synebh kai xqes, otan o Amerikanos presbhs sth synedriash thn oikonomikh -poy qa milhsei shmera kai o Prwqypoyrgos- anaferotan synexei sto onoma ``MAKEDONIA'' kai malista egine kai to prwtofanes, oi diermhneis na diorqwnoyn ton Amerikano presbh kai na to paroysiazoyn ws FYROM. Qa hqela ena sxolio kai gia ta dyo ayta qemata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, isxyei to sxolio poy egine otan oi HPA apofasisan na anagnwrisoyn th FYROM me to onoma ``MAKEDONIA''. Se o,ti afora to prwto, qa to anazhthsw kai efoson einai opws moy to anaferete, qa steilw epistolh diamartyrias gia to qema sth dieyqynsh toy EURO NEWS.

PAPAGIANNHS: Xqes, h k. Mpakogiannh sto kentriko deltio toy MEGA afhse aixmes @etsi toylaxiston to katalaba egw, an oxi diorqwste me- gia thn epikoinwniakh politikh ths kybernhshs. Ayto afora esas h kapoioys alloys ypoyrgoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai poly epifylaktikos gia to pws moy metaferetai mia dhlwsh toy opoioydhpote stelexoys, eite ths kybernhshs eite ths antipoliteyshs. Opws gnwrizete, den kanw etsi eykola kriseis. Oson afora thn epikoinwniakh politikh, moy exei doqei h eykairia, xarin twn dikwn sas erwthsewn, polles fores na epanalabw thn idia apoch s@ ayth thn aiqoysa.

KAKALHS: Exete ypoch sas th diatypwsh poy yparxei sthn Ekqesh Proodoy ths KOMISION gia thn Toyrkia, poy egkrinetai ayrio, oson afora sto kefalaio gia tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis poy ginetai logos gia synolikh dieyqethsh ths diaforas toy Aigaioy; Me dedomeno oti h kybernhsh -to eipate kai xqes- anagnwrizei mono mia diafora, thn yfalokrhpida, h diatypwsh ayth mhpws afhnei periqwrio gia na mpei ena synoliko paketo diekdikhsewn apo thn pleyra ths Toyrkias; Kai an oxi ti qa kanete, poia einai h antidrash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs apenanti s@ ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Omiloyme gia mia diafora -exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos polles fores me teleytaia thn topoqethsh prin apo mia ebdomada sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthshs sth Boylh- ayth ths yfalokrhpidas.

KAKALHS: Mhpws omws afhnei periqwria@

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``Ths diaforas'', moy diabasate.

KAKALHS: ``Ths synolikhs dieyqethshs ths diaforas toy Aigaioy''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: `` Ths diaforas''. Ayth einai h diafora.

KAKALHS: Milaei gia to Aigaio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai h yfalokrhpida sto Aigaio einai, den einai sto Ionio.

KAKALHS: Nai, alla edw pera, s@ ayth th diatypwsh mporei na emfiloxwrhsoyn kai oi diekdikhseis opws gia tis `` gkrizes zwnes'' klp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo tis diatypwseis toy parelqontos gia ``tis synoriakes diafores'' h proodos einai poly megalh, opws gnwrizete. Milame gia mia diafora, ayth anagnwrizoyme kai panw s@ ayth dinoyme th maxh mas.

BLAXOS: Ta osa symbainoyn sthn Eyrwph kai kyriws sth Gallia, qewreite oti oysiastika bazoyn tafoplaka sthn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa ta synedea. Qa elega oti oles oi eyrwpaikes kybernhseis ofeiloyn na problhmatistoyn perissotero gia qemata sta opoia hdh exoyn ginei para polles syzhthseis. Sas qymizw prin apo ligoys mhnes th Synodo twn Ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Tajews kai Dikaiosynhs, sthn opoia syzhthqhke to meizon qema ths metanasteyshs. Einai ena qema, sto opoio ofeiloyme oloi na egkycoyme perissotero.

Sas eyxaristw.

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