Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-18

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Aqhna, 18 Oktwbrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

KAI ENHMERWSH APO TON YPOYRGO YGEIAS KAI KOINWNIKHS ALLHLEGGYHS

NIKHTA KAKLAMANH

KAI TON YFYPOYRGO GEWRGIKHS ANAPTYJHS KAI TROFIMWN

ALEJANDRO KONTO

GIA TO QEMA THS GRIPHS TWN POYLERIKWN

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, h opoia asxolhqhke me dyo qemata:

-To prwto qema afora thn Perifereiakh Anaptyjh gia tis Dioikhtikes Perifereies enocei toy D@ KPS, ena qema poy qa synexisei na syzhteitai. Einai ena polyploko qema. Prepei na ginei poly kalh organwsh, h opoia exei hdh arxisei, gia thn oso to dynaton kalyterh aporrofhsh twn porwn.

-To deytero qema afora thn ejelijh toy programmatos h ``Koinwnia ths Plhroforias''. Kai gi` ayto to qema exei tyxei na milhsoyme sto parelqon kai syntoma qa ginoyn kai alles anakoinwseis gia thn proodo toy programmatos.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 09.00, qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me thn ypoyrgo Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn k. Marietta Giannakoy.

Parakalw na moy ypoballetai erwthseis poy exoyn sxesh me ta genikotera politika zhthmata kai sth synexeia, opws gnwrizete, exw parakalesei ton ypoyrgo Ygeias k. Nikhta Kaklamanh kai ton yfypoyrgo Gewrgias k. Aleko Konto na apanthsoyn stis erwthseis sas gia to poly endiaferon qema ths griphs twn poylerikwn, to opoio pisteyw apasxolei oloys toys Ellhnes.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, blepoyme oti meiwqhkan ta esoda apo ton FPA ton Aygoysto, mexri kai 75%. Epiballate mia epaxqestath ayjhsh sto FPA, thn opoia kata tekmhrio plhrwnoyn oi laikes tajeis kai ayto den einai laikismos. Anti ta esoda ayta na pane sta Tameia toy Kratoys, paramenoyn sta tameia twn aetonyxhdwn poy forodiafeygoyn. Poios qa plhrwsei gi@ ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Speysate na xarakthrisete oti den einai laikismos ayto poy rwtate. Qa moy epitrecete na exw antiqeth apoch. Ekeino poy qelw na sas pw einai oti h prospaqeia gia thn patajh ths forodiafyghs einai diarkhs. Einai mia prospaqeia gia thn opoia exoyn anakoinwqei edw kai poly kairo sxetika metra apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. H prospaqeia synexizetai ws thn epiteyjh toy telikoy stoxoy.

SIDERHS: Yparxei epistolh apo thn KOMISION poy leei oti h lysh sto Asfalistiko noqeyei ton ygih antagwnismo twn trapezwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Dyo erwthseis k. Ekproswpe. H prwth einai, ean sth shmerinh Kybernhtikh Epitroph syzhthqhke h teqhke to qema ths antiparaqeshs ths kybernhshs me ta MME poy einai se ejelijh tis teleytaies hmeres.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa kai xqes oti den yparxei kanenos eidoys antiparaqesh ths kybernhshs me ta MME. Qa meinw stis xqesines dhlwseis. Se o,ti afora ayto kaq` ayto to erwthma sas, oxi bebaiws den eteqh to qema, afoy den yparxei qema.

GKOYTZANHS: H deyterh einai an yparxei politiko zhthma gia thn kybernhsh apo thn apokalych poy eixe h efhmerida ``TO PRWTO QEMA'' thn Kyriakh oti o Dieyqynths toy Grafeioy toy k. Kefalogiannh yphrje diorismenos apo thn Xoynta kai ymnhths ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthsei eparkws o k. Kefalogiannhs. Den yparxei kanena qema gia thn kybernhsh.

SARANTAKOS: Xqes stis erwthseis tis opoies dexqhkate gia ayth thn istoria ths kybernhshs me ta MME, eipate oti h kybernhsh qa einai pleon pio aysthrh apenanti stoys dhmosiografoys kai sta MME.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eipa ayto. Parakalw poly na diabasete tis dhlwseis moy.

SARANTAKOS: Den teleiwsa. Qa elega kai ta ypoloipa. Oti eipate an kataskeyazontai qemata, an ta qemata den apotypwnoyn akribws thn alhqeia. Ayto hqela na pw. Nomizw oti perigrafw arketa kala thn apoch sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edw qa yparxei apanthsh, giati h apanthsh eipa oti einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias kai ofeilei kaqe ypoyrgos, kaqe kybernhtiko stelexos, kaqe politikos en genei na apanta.

SARANTAKOS: S` ayto to plaisio ths aysthrothtas entassontai kai agwges kai mhnyseis kata MME, to entassete eseis ayto; H apla mono sth diaceysh twn dhmosieymatwn, ta opoia eseis qewreitai oti den eystaqoyn; Eseis kai olh h kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate na sas pw, an throyntai oi nomoi h an prepei na throyntai se mia dhmokratikh Politeia, opws einai h dikh mas. To erwthma sas parelkei.

STEFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw an yparxei kapoia antidrash ths kybernhshs se shmerino prwtoselido dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``PRESS TIME'', gia diagwnismo poy aperrice to Elegktiko Synedrio, sxetika me to aitiologiko oti yparxei keno sto poso toy meiodoth. An yparxei kapoia antidrash ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O armodios yfypoyrgos k. Mixaloliakos exei hdh ekdwsei anakoinwsh. O diagwnismos egine me apolyth diafaneia kai me plhrh sebasmo stis diadikasies. Nomizw oti h efhmerida den eixe ta plhrh stoixeia. Sigoyra pantws den eixe thn telikh ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy apo to opoio elexqhsan ola osa aforoyn to diagwnismo.

BLAXOS: Den katalaba thn apanthsh sas. Eseis eiste yper toy na kanoyn agwges kai mhnyseis oi politikoi stoys dhmosiografoys; An kai sthn periptwsh poy exoyn kakh plhroforhsh kai exoyn gracei ena kako dhmosieyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei analytika sto qema xqes. Ayto poy me rwthse o synadelfos sas, opws egw toylaxiston to metefrasa h to ermhneysa, einai an prepei na throyntai oi nomoi. Se ayto loipon phre apanthsh.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, egw legomai Blaxos kai apantate sthn dikh moy erwthsh. Den jerw ti apanthsate ston k. Sarantako. Egw rwtw. Eiste yper ths kataqeshs agwgwn h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw den qa proteinw se kanena kybernhtiko stelexos, se kanena politiko proswpo, ton tropo ths antidrashs toy.

BLAXOS: To afhnete, omws, anoixto na to kanei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An exei to nomimo dikaiwma, giati oxi.

SARANTAKOS: Me sygxwreite gia th dieykrinish. Einai profanes oti den sas rwthsa kai den qa mporoysa pote na rwthsw an eyqynontai oi nomoi sto ellhniko kratos. Sas rwthsa aplws an sto plaisio ths aysthrothtas to opoio eipate xqes, entassetai kai ayto. Entassetai h agwgh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h deyterh fora poy anaferete diaforetika th dhlwsh poy ekana xqes. Xqes, loipon, milhsa gia apanthseis kai eipa oti kaqe ena politiko stelexos apanta me ton tropo poy ekeino nomizei. Allo stelexos mporei na apanthsei me megalyterh aysthrothta. Kai qa yparxoyn apanthseis apo stelexh ths kybernhshs h apo alla politika stelexh me aysthrothta. Ayto opws to metafrazete eseis, einai mia teleiws diaforetikh eikona. Oydepote eipa oti prepei na ginei aysthroterh h sxesh ayth thn opoia perigracate. Kaqe politiko stelexos mporei na apanta opws ekeino krinei. Den perimenei apo emena thn adeia, oyte apo esas, oyte apo kanenan allo.

BLAXOS: To teleytaio diasthma eixame boyleytes toy PASOK na kanoyn diafores erwthseis gia skandala poy qewroyn oti ginontai apo thn pleyra th kybernhshs. Apo xqes, exoyme kai antidraseis boyleytwn. Dhladh eidame ton k. Prokoph Paylopoylo na dinei sth dhmosiothta to grafeio toy mia ekqesh me skandala opws toylaxiston ta anefere, ths periodoy 2001-2003. Zoyme hmeres poy oi Pasokoi bgazoyn skandala ths N.D. kai oi Neodhmokrates bgazoyn skandala twn Pasokwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Paylopoylos proklhqhke kai edwse sth dhmosiothta mia ekqesh anaforika me thn periodo poy eipate. Tipote perissotero.

BLAXOS: Nai. Zoyme lew mia periodo poy o kaqenas bgazei ta skandala toy alloy prokeimenoy sto telos na yparjei koinh symfwnia na koykoylwqoyn ta panta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, exw apanthsei. Se o,ti afora th deyterh epishmansh poy kanate, oti dhladh o enas bgazei ta skandala toy alloy, qa epishmanw gia mia akomh fora, me ton tropo poy to exw epanalabei kai sto parelqon. Den eidame kanena skandalo apo thn kybernhsh ths N.D. Perifereiaka zhthmata ta opoia anhgagan orismenoi se megala skandala, eixan thn amesh antidrash toy kommatos ths N.D. me thn deoysa, gia thn kaqe periptwsh, energeia. Se orismenes de periptwseis ej` aytwn, opws gnwrizete, ta proswpa ta opoia kathggelqhsan stalqhkan ston Eisaggelea apo th N.D. Den eixame dei kamia tetoia antidrash sto parelqon apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK h apo to komma toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: Ara skandala eidame. Aplws eidame kai antidrash amesh. Ayto mas lete. Skandala yphrxan, afoy ta paradexeste kai eseis. Afoy lete oti antidrasate kai amesws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrxan kataggelies stis opoies antedrase amesws to komma ths N.D.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Jerete ti leei o kosmos; Leei o kosmos to ejhs: Oti twra h N.D. qymhqhke ta skandala toy PASOK prokeimenoy na tromajei toys Pasokoys kai na stamathsei to panhgyri.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh. Ayto poy lete, oysiastika afairei to ena kommati ths apanthshs poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws. Sas eipa loipon, prohgoymenws, oti enas ypoyrgos erwthqh h proklhqh kai edwse mia apanthsh. Ayto kaneis den to apagoreyei.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela na synexisw ligo to prohgoymeno erwthma, an qewreite oti prepei na yparxoyn h problepetai apo to nomo na yparxoyn diagwnismoi me keno to poso. Den einai san leykh epitagh; Eseis, ean yparxei ayto -eipate oti den jerete to porisma toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy- yparxei periptwsh na yparxei diagwnismos@.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anakoinwsh poy exei ekdwsei o k. Mixaloliakos, einai analytikh. Epeidh me rwtate, qa sas pw oti se o,ti afora to anagrafomeno kommati toy shmerinoy dhmosieymatos gia th mh anagrafh proypologizomenhs dapanhs sthn prokhryjh, afenos men ayto den problepetai apo thn isxyoysa nomoqesia -mias kai me rwtate an problepetai apo to nomo- afeteroy de, h gnwsh apo thn Epitroph Naylwsewn, alla kai apo thn anaqetoysa Arxh twn prosferqeiswn timwn ston antistoixo diagwnismo, poy eixe dienerghqei thn 20/06/2002, alla kai h symperilhch sth diakhryjh twn posothtwn twn pros metafora kaysimwn, pareixan asfalh exeggya diafaneias, qesh thn opoia dexqhke kai to Elegktiko Synedrio. Nomizw oti phrate apanthsh. Diabaste parakalw thn anakoinwsh toy k. Mixaloliakoy poy einai pio analytikh.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh shmera epishs dhmosieyetai sthn efhmerida ``PRESS TIME'' mia epistolh ths oikogeneias toy eklipontos Makaristoy Patriarxh Alejandreias, h opoia apeyqynetai kai ston Prwqypoyrgo. Yparxei kapoia apanthsh; Fantazomai oti exete diabasei to dhmosieyma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prepei na diereynhsw ean ontws yparxei tetoia epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo kai bebaiws na dw ti exei symbei apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Qa sas apanthsw ayrio.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Epeidh kaqhmerinws egkaleiste, kyrie Ekproswpe gia diafores paraleiceis h ``skandala'', qa hqela na moy peite an h kybernhsh edeije kapoia oligwria h eixe elleimma epikoinwniakhs politikhs wste shmera oi kathgoroi toys opoioys eseis eixate xarakthrisei otan hsastan antipoliteysh, oi kathgoroymenoi na einai shmera kathgoroi kai na briskeste s@ ayth th qesh synexws na dikaiologhsete h na ejhgeite orismenes tetoies diadikasies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa symfwnoysa me to rhma ``egkaloymai''. Qa elega oti oi dhmosiografoi einai eleyqeroi na kanoyn erwthseis kai na lambanoyn apanthseis. Ayto ginetai kaqhmerinws s@ ayth thn aiqoysa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den anaferomai stoys dhmosiografoys, stoys politikoys antipaloys sas anaferomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora toys politikoys mas antipaloys kai dh thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, sas exw pei, polles fores, oti kanei mia prospaqeia anadeijhs problhmatwn h qematwn poy synhqws den yparxoyn h den einai etsi, yperballontas kai me perissio qrasos prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis. Einai kati poy to exw epanalabei kai qa to janapw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den mas eipate omws, an aisqaneste oti h kybernhsh edeije oligwria sthn aponomh dikaiosynhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den aponemei dikaiosynh. H dikastikh Arxh einai armodia na aponemei dikaiosynh. Ypoqeseis skandalwn sto parelqon opws gnwrizete, exoyn parei to dromo toys allote pros th Boylh, allote bebaiws aperrifqhsan protaseis ths kybernhshs ths N.D. gia na dienerghqoyn ereynes opws -as poyme- gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia to Xrhmatisthrio. Allote ypoqeseis poy blepoyn to fws ths dhmosiothtas apasxoloyn th Dikaiosynh. Ena prosfato paradeigma, opws gnwrizete, einai h ereyna poy dietaxqh gia dyo dhmosieymata megalwn eyrwpaikwn efhmeridwn gia prwhn ypoyrgo toy PASOK kai xrhmatismo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, h kybernhsh prin apo kairo eixe pei oti gia na xtyphsei to laqremporio petrelaioy kai eidika ths qermanshs, qa balei daktylio se antlies kai ayto to eixe proteinei kai o k. Regkoyzas. Efyge o k. Regkoyzas, stamathse na to qelei ayto h kybernhsh; Qa to epiballei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai to qema toy daktylioy opws lete. Ekeino to opoio kanei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn -hdh exei anakoinwqei allwste- prospaqei na elegjei thn dianomh toy petrelaioy, thn pwlhsh toy petrelaioy kata tropo wste na dhmioyrghqei ena synoliko mhtrwo stoys epomenoys mhnes gia na eimaste bebaioi pleon oti apo thn epomenh xronia qa exei pataxqei kata ena megalo pososto h forodiafygh toy petrelaioy. Mia forodiafygh poy aggizei peripoy ta 3 dis eyrw to xrono.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mia erwthsh me dyo parametroys. Epeidh diabazw polla pragmata gia to basiko metoxo tis teleytaies hmeres, alhqeyei oti perimenete entos dekahmeroy na kleisei to qema kai alhqeyei oti telika to pososto toy basikoy metoxoy qa einai dichfio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero erwthma, den qa apanthsw giati den exw apanthsei se kanena eidiko erwthma poy na afora th diapragmateysh poy ginetai edw kai ligoys mhnes me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia thn akribeia gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy. Se o,ti afora to prwto, oxi den yparxei kapoio xroniko periqwrio. H syzhthsh synexizetai.

IWANNOY: Na epanelqw ligo sto erwthma poy eixe balei o synadelfos k. Blaxos. Shmera eidame sth dhmosiothta oti yparxei mia ereyna h opoia oloklhrwqhke sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. An eseis qewreite ayta poy diabasame kai ayta ta stoixeia poy proekycan oti synistoyn skandala kai ti mporei na kanei peraiterw h kybernhsh. Ti periqwria exete; Apla mia politikh momfh h sthn prajh kapoioi qa klhqoyn na dwsoyn apologia h qa yparjoyn kai kapoies poines.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na apeyqynete to erwthma sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn gia tis energeies poy prepei na ginoyn apo edw kai pera.

IWANNOY: Gia to an einai skandalo politika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto krinetai apo ton kaqena.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei ena qema me ton tews Ypodioikhth ths ATE ton k. Papagewrgioy boyleyth Pierias toy PASOK. Sth Boylh h Eisaggelia Prwtodikwn me ena porisma zhta thn poinikh toy diwjh. Skeftetai h kybernhsh na arei thn asylia toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, h arsh ths asylias enos boyleyth einai ena qema poy syzhteitai sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, h opoia kai qa apofasisei.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na jerw, ean kai alla ypoyrgeia, prokeitai na proboyn sthn idia kinhsh poy proebh xqes o k. Paylopoylos, bgazontas kapoies ypoqeseis toy parelqontos sto fws ths dhmosiothtas. An exete ypoch sas, an se alla ypoyrgeia dhladh yparxoyn entos h ektos eisagwgikwn skandala apo to parelqon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson yparxoyn erwthmata, qa apantwntai se opoio ypoyrgeio.

BLAXOS: Eipate prohgoymenws apantwntas sto erwthma an einai skandalo, ayto krinetai ap@ ton kaqena. Eseis pws to krinete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio. An hqela na kanw qa to eixa kanei sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Den mporeite na kanete sxolio an qewreite h h kybernhsh qewrei oti einai skandalo kai prepei na paei mia diadikasia politikh enantion ypoyrgwn poy htan tote sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws moy maqainane stis prwtes tajeis toy Dhmotikoy, allo to mporw kai allo to qelw. Sas eipa oti den qa kanw sxolio.

KYRITSHS: Eipate prohgoymenws, an to sygkrathsa kala, oti proklhqhke o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn kai ebgale thn ypoqesh. Eprepe na proklhqei o ypoyrgos Eswterikwn gia na bgalei mia ypoqesh, an ayth h ypoqesh einai ypopth meta apo 20 mhnes diakybernhshs; Kratate kaba me skandala gia na ta xrhsimopoihsete opote xreiastei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den kratame ayto to opoio eipate. To bebaion einai oti otan yparxoyn erwthseis, qa dinontai apanthseis. Se kaqe periptwsh, prepei na gnwrizete oti oi mhxanismoi twn ypoyrgeiwn einai terastioi, ta qemata einai para polla kai bebaiws ayth h kybernhsh den mphke se kamia periptwsh anabyqwntas ws prwto ergo ths dhladh to ti ginotan sto parelqon, einai kati poy to exoyme kataggeilei pleistakis otan hmastan sthn antipoliteysh. Einai kati poy nomizw sthn pleiochfia toys oi Ellhnes polites to exoyn katanohsei. Otan omws yparxei kapoio erwthma h kapoio qema, poy anakyptei, bebaiws qa yparxei kai h apanthsh.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apotelei synolikh politikh ths kybernhshs, o elegxos twn oswn paralhfqhsan apo th nea kybernhsh kai h taktopoihsh twn ekkremoyswn ypoqesewn; Exei dhladh ginei paromoios elegxos opws egine sto Ypoyrgeio toy k. Paylopoyloy kai se alla ypoyrgeia; Einai mia genikh odhgia poy dwsate stoys ypoyrgos apo to Majimoy otan parelaban h einai kati poy ginetai twra kai efoson emfanisthkan oi prwtes periptwseis skandalwn entos h ektos eisagwgikwn apo th N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Nomizw einai kati sto opoio eseis den eixate dwsei idiaiterh shmasia.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite emeis h eseis;

SPYRAKH: Einai genikh politikh ths kybernhshs ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, oxi. Na mhn parejhghqw. Exoyn yparjei mia seira periptwsewn poy kathggelqhsan h anakoinwqhkan apo polloys ypoyrgoys stoys prwtoys mhnes ths diakybernhshs gia diafora qemata. As paroyme aifnhs zhthmata qesmikoy plaisioy. Den yphrje allagh se polla apo ta qemata ta opoia eixame kataggeilei ws antipoliteysh oti ypekryptan skandalwdws diafores sxeseis oi opoies den htan kai oi pio entimes an qelete etsi. Den yphrxe allagh toy qesmikoy plaisioy, gia paradeigma lew, sthn anaqesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn; Yphrxe. Exoyme loipon apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame th diakybernhsh arxisei na ylopoioyme tis desmeyseis mas.

BLAXOS: Twra poy strimwxthkate@.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den milame gia qesmiko plaisio.

SPYRAKH: Allo sas rwthsa. Rwthsa, ean ginetai h exei ginei elegxos apo thn hmera poy anelabe h Nea Dhmokratia sta ypoyrgeia, gia ta pepragmena twn prohgoymenwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw oti se kaqe periptwsh exei ginei elegxos. Kaqe ypoyrgos, otan anelabe, ofeile na gnwrizei ti einai ayto poy exei analabei. Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, milame gia megaloys dioikhtikoys mhxanismoys. Sas qymizw oti tote eixame arketo forto, wste na asxolhqoyme oloi oi emplekomenoi foreis, oxi mono h kybernhsh, me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Yphrxan, epanalambanw -giati ayto poy rwtate ypokryptei dhmioyrgia entypwsewn, den einai proswpikh aixmh- periptwseis poy anakoinwqhkan. Den doqhke to antistoixo endiaferon -na to pw se trito proswpo- gia na paroyn dhmosiothta.

BLAXOS: Pote anakoinwqhke ayto toy k. Paylopoyloy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ennooysa to sygkekrimeno, yphrxe mia seira allwn qematwn.

BLAXOS: Twra poy strimwxthkate politika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy.

BLAXOS: Toso kairo ta krybate; Otan yparxei ena skandalo kai yparxei diaspaqish dhmosioy xrhmatos, dhladh twn politwn, o poliths ofeilei na gnwrizei kai na to gnwrizei apo thn prwth stigmh. Einai, loipon, safestato oti eseis kratoysate ``kaba'' skandalwn, opws swsta eipe o synadelfos, kai twra poy strimwxqhkate ta bgazete gia na piesete to PASOK na stamathsei na bgazei kai ta dika sas aplyta sth fora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An exete th diaqesh na kanete reportaz, sas proskalw na anadyfhsete stis efhmerides toy enamish etoys poy parhlqe h stis anakoinwseis twn ypoyrgeiwn kai na deite, gia paradeigma, ean akyrwqhkan diagwnismoi kai posoi. Ayto einai ena zhthma. Akyrwqhkan diagwnismoi; Ti shmainei ayto; An akyrwqhkan diagwnismoi, shmainei oti kati ypopto yphrxe sth diadikasia ayth. An den edoqh h dhmosiothta poy dinete shmera, toylaxiston se ayth thn aiqoysa, gia ta qemata ayta, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs. Yphrxan, loipon, apo thn prwth stigmh, dhmosia anafores se polla ypoyrgeia gia qemata poy parelabe o kaqe ypoyrgos kai ekrine oti den qa eprepe na synexisoyn na kinoyntai me ton tropo poy eixe programmatisei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Den moy apanthsate, pote janaedwse sth dhmosiothta ayto to eggrafo o k. Paylopoylos, to opoio, opws lete, den to prosejame;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den akoysate thn apanthsh moy, skeptomenos pws qa kanete th deyterh erwthsh sas.

BLAXOS: Akoysa. Eipate oti den prosejame eggrafa ta opoia eixan doqei sto parelqon sth dhmosiothta. Peite moy, loipon, pote o k. Paylopoylos edwse sth dhmosiothta gia ta eyrhmata peri skandalwn sto programma ``Politeia''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, o k. Paylopoylos ekane anakoinwseis, apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame thn kybernhsh, gia qemata poy aforoyn to dhmosio kai ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Sas qymizw to ena kai megalytero qema: H omhria xiliadwn ergazomenwn se qeseis symbasioyxwn. Ayto ti htan; Htan kalws genomeno apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh h mhpws htan ena politiko skandalo olkhs; To oti dhladh epi xronia kratoyse omhroys xiliades ergazomenoys, xwris na toys sebetai, xwris na sebetai toys kanones hqikhs symperiforas, xwris na sebetai toys kanones kai tis odhgies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Apokatesthse h oxi ayth h kybernhsh, me prwtoboylia toy armodioy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, ayth thn adikia etwn; Stamathse h oxi thn omhria xiliadwn ergazomenwn; Na ena skandalo. Kai an ayto den einai politiko skandalo, peite moy ti allo einai.

BLAXOS: Profanws, den akoysate thn erwthsh moy, giati skeftosastan pws qa apanthsete se ayto poy den sas rwthse kaneis. Egw qa epimeinw: Sth momfh poy dwsate stoys dhmosiografoys oti den prosejan ta qemata poy lene oi ypoyrgoi, peite moy pote akribws o k. Paylopoylos anakoinwse ston ellhniko lao oti egine megalo fagopoti, opws to anakoinwse xqes, mesa apo to programma ``Politeia'' kai emeis oi dhmosiografoi den dwsame shmasia. Giati einai momfh ayto poy lete gia toys dhmosiografoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoihsate gia deyterh fora sthn idia erwthsh th lejh ``momfh'', h opoia oydepote eipwqhke apo emena@

BLAXOS: Einai h trith fora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydepote yponohqhke. Malista, prohgoymenws, eipa, milwntas se trito proswpo, oti den doqhke megalh diastash sth dhmosiothta. Ayto den apotelei momfh, apotelei parathrhsh ths pragmatikothtas.

BLAXOS: Ma, den moy lete pote to edwse.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw, loipon, sthn apanthsh moy sthn prwth erwthsh sas. Eipa oti doqhkan mia seira qematwn. Den sas eipa oti edoqh to sygkekrimeno qema, alla oti doqhkan mia seira qematwn. Sas parakalw na diabasete to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno gia na diapistwsete oti ayth htan h apanthsh moy apo thn prwth stigmh. Kai en pash periptwsei -na katalabw- einai kako poy to edwse; Yparxei kapoio problhma poy edwse o k. Paylopoylos thn alhqeia stoys Ellhnes polites, na gnwrizoyn pws kapoioi diaxeiristhkan ta kondylia apo to programma ``Politeia''; Mhpws einai kako;

BLAXOS: Einai kako poy to dinei, th stigmh poy hsaste strimwgmenoi politika kai to kratate sta syrtaria sas toso kairo. Apo th stigmh poy diapistwqhke ayto to fagopoti, opws to paroysiase xqes o k. Paylopoylos, eprepe o ellhnikos laos na enhmerwqei amesws. Alliws, milame gia ena politiko paixnidi, sthmeno kai me trapoyla poy einai xaragmenh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xrhsimopoieite baries ekfraseis kai nomizw an to skefteite pio cyxraima mallon den qa janakanate thn idia erwthsh me thn idia fraseologia. Apo thn prwth stigmh -epanalambanw- polloi ypoyrgoi, an oxi oloi, proxwrhsan se mia seira anakoinwsewn kai prajewn. Opws eipa gia paradeigma, prohgoymenws, h akyrwsh symbasewn. H anafora se ena qema poy afora xiliades sympatriwtes mas, xiliades ergazomenoys kai kata synepeia ekatontades xiliades oikogeneies sto qema twn symbasioyxwn. Ayta einai zhthmata ta opoia apo thn prwth stigmh anaferqhkan, doqhkan sth dhmosiothta kai eidan to fws ths diafaneias apo ayth thn kybernhsh. Oyden emeine krypto.

SIDERHS: Milate gia qesmikes allages poy eginan ama ti analhcei ths kybernhshs. Alimono ean den ginontan. To qema einai allo. Kataggeilate orgio diafqoras apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Poses apo tis ypoqeseis phgan sth Dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia politiko skandalo. Ayth einai h fraseologia poy xrhsimopoihsa.

SIDERHS: O k. Paylopoylos den mila gia politiko skandalo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora tis ypoqeseis diafqoras, opote kai opoy yphrjan, odhghqhkan sth Dikaiosynh.

SIDERHS: Ean htan toses polles poy na metroyntai sta daktyla toy enos xerioy, ara den eixame kaqestws diafqoras.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To symperasma ayto to bgazete eseis. Nomizw oti apoteleite mikrh meiochfia metajy twn Ellhnwn politwn.

STEFOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh einai ths modas ta ``galazia paidia'', ean alhqeyei h plhroforia oti ta ypoyrgeia sygkentrwnoyn stoixeia kai plhrofories gia na tis dwsoyn se sas, sto ypoyrgeio Epikrateias, sxetika me ta ``prasina paidia''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

IWANNOY: Ektos apo ayto to porisma toy k. Paylopoyloy, blepoyme shmera stis efhmerides oti yparxoyn kapoies analoges apokalyceis kai gia ton k. Nezh. Ayth h ypoqesh, qa proxwrhsei, gnwrizete; Ginetai kati sth DEH;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw enhmerwqei. Qa sas parakalesw na apeyqynete to erwthma sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

POYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish: Shmera, sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, to qema ths griphs twn pthnwn den syzhthqhke;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den syzhthqhke sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Sas qymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, hdh apo thn arxh ths ebdomadas, eixe kalesei ton paristameno ypoyrgo k. Kaklamanh kai eixe syzhthsei mazi toy. Epishs, eixe kalesei se syskech kai ton ypoyrgo Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Mpasiako, apo thn opoia proekycan symperasmata kai sth synexeia eginan anakoinwseis. Shmera, o k. Mpasiakos brisketai sto Loyjemboyrgo, opoy metexei se mia syskech twn omologwn toy ypoyrgwn gi` ayto to qema.

BLAXOS: Pws qewreite oti exei endiaferon gia thn koinh gnwmh na paristantai sto press room o k. Kaklamanhs kai o k. Kontos gia to qema ayto kai den qewreite oti einai shmantiko na syzhthqei, estw kai h xqesinh ejelijh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den akoysate thn apanthsh moy. Shmera, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph den syzhthse to qema. To exoyn, hdh, syzhthsei edw kai hmeres, nomizw apo thn perasmenh Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys, me toys opoioys bebaiws brisketai se amesh synergasia.

BLAXOS: Exoyme kroysma, omws, apo xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos brisketai se taktikh synergasia me toys ypoyrgoys toy. Kai shmera kai xqes, epikoinwnhse me toys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o k Gkargkanas ypebale thn paraithsh toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw kati tetoio. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia na pw oti to erwthma poy eteqh xqes, peri ayjhsews 18%, htan analhqh ws plhroforia. Ws ek toytoy, den yparxei kanena zhthma. H akribhs plhroforia einai ayth poy doqhke xqes to apogeyma.

SIDERHS: Yparxei ena zhthma. To oti eseis den frontisate na to diapistwsete, alla eyxaristws eipate oti kaqenas krinete me bash ayth thn ceydh plhroforia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``Eyxaristws'' oxi. Qelw na omologhsw -kai einai h deyterh fora poy qa to kanw se ayth thn aiqoysa, gia na exoyme mia poly kalh sxesh empistosynhs kai eilikrineias- oti ofeila xqes na apanthsw pws den gnwrizw thn plhroforia. Kakws den apanthsa etsi. Kai afoy den apanthsa etsi, bebaiws mporeite na kanete opoio sxolio qelete. Wstoso, gia na exoyme mia poly kalh kai entimh sxesh metajy mas, sas lew kai pali oti kakws apanthsa xqes sta polla erwthmata sas.

SIDERHS: Gia na exoyme kalh sxesh, politiko htan to ``eyxaristws'' poy eipa, epeidh yparxei to reportaz oti o k. Gkargkanas den einai toso eyxaristos sthn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti leei to reportaz. Oxi. Den exete dikio. Den ektima h kybernhsh stelexh, eite toy dhmosioy h eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea h twn trapezwn me to an einai eyxaristoi h dysarestoi, alla me to an einai xrhsimoi h oxi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to ayjhse 18%. Poso ton ayjhse to misqo toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symfwna me ton eswteriko kanonismo ths trapezas, opws plhroforhqhka apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, h ayjhsh einai idia me ayth poy dinetai se oloys toys ergazomenoys kai ta melh toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oso phran oi dhmosioi ypallhloi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite, eite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, eite stis trapezes, gia perissoteres plhrofories.

POYLIDOY: H ayjhsh afora to basiko misqo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, gia perissoteres plhrofories, apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti to politiko qema den allazei, apo to an einai 18% h 5%. Opote, orqws apanthsate xqes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ektimw thn prospaqeia sas na me sthrijete, paroti enwpion sas eyqarsws eipa oti kakws apanthsa xqes sto qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Kamia sthrijh pros esas. Politika to qetoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An den yparxei allh erwthsh, qa parakalesw ton k. Kaklamanh kai ton k. Konto na laboyn to logo. Osoi endiaferontai, na parameinoyn sthn aiqoysa.

BLAXOS: To Dhmarxo Aqhnaiwn kaleite h ton k. Ypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mh xanete thn oysia toy qematos. Allo einai to qema shmera.

KAKLAMANHS: Peran twn oswn xqes to brady anakoinwse ek meroys toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias -meta apo syskech poy egine, ejaitias toy eyrhmatos to opoio oloi gnwrizete- stis eidhseis o Proedros toy KEEL o k. Xatzakhs, shmera exw na sas pw oti prin miamish wra epikoinwnhsa me to klimakio toy KEEL, poy einai se synergasia me tis ygeionomikes arxes toy nomoy Xioy. Htan hdh stis Oinoysses. Qa yparxoyn ta symperasmata ths ereynas poy ginetai ekei to apogeyma kai graptws qa bgei anakoinwsh apo to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, dioti th stigmh poy epikoinwnhsa mazi toys htan akomh sth diereynhsh twn peristatikwn. Exw na pw dyo pragmata: Oti sto atypo symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Ygeias ths Pempths sto Londino, opoy thn Pempth to apogeyma sthn oysia mono einai to qema ths syzhthshs twn pthnwn. H Ellada qa sthrijei th diafainomenh epiqymia ths Komision. H Komision, parakamptontas kapoies nomikes ateleies poy yparxoyn, na paijei to rolo toy syntonisth sth synolikh antimetwpish se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs sxetika me th griph twn poylerikwn. Dieykrinizw kai lew oti ek toy katastatikoy ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs den yparxei h nomikh ejoysiodothsh h Komision na paijei ayto to rolo. Plhn omws yparxoyn xwres, metajy twn opoiwn kai h Ellada, poy parakamptontas ton typo kai blepontas thn oysia, qa sthrijoyme thn apoch oti h Komision prepei na paijei to rolo toy syntonisth koinhs drashs twn 25 xwrwn - melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Deyteron, qa proteinoyme, para to oti kaqe xwra me bash tis odhgies poy exei dwsei se prohgoymeno xrono h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia th syntajh twn eqnikwn sxediwn drashs, na yparjei kai ena koino sxedio drashs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs gia th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh, bebaiws me thn yposhmeiwsh oti kaqe xwra exei kapoies idiaiterothtes, opws paradeigmatos xarh h Ellada exei mia idiaiterothta, oti einai pio konta sthn pylh eisodoy twn pthnwn kata th diarkeia ths apodhmhshs pros notia klimata. Ayto einai to ena. To deytero einai oti qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti apo xqes, se stenh synergasia me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, exoyme jekinhsei thn proetoimasia, wste peripoy metajy 15 me 19 Noembrioy -h akribhs hmeromhnia den exei fijaristei- na ginei sthn Ellada -to poy qa to doyme- h syndiaskech sthn opoia qa klhqoyn oi xwres ths Balkanikhs kai oi xwres ths Mayrhs Qalassas, me th ``filodojia'', efoson to dextoyn oi sygkekrimenes xwres, na paijei to rolo poy qeloyme na paijei h Komision gia toys 25 ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs -h Ellada gia tis xwres aytes poy briskontai ektos Komision- syntonismoy dhladh kai koinhs drashs gia tis xwres ths Balkanikhs kai tis xwres ths Mayrhs Qalassas. Otan h allhlografia qa exei oloklhrwqei kai exoyme apanthseis poses qa symmetasxoyn, filodojia einai na symmetasxoyn oles. Epishs, qa enhmerwqoyn oi armodioi iatrikoi syntaktes. To teleytaio, to opoio qelw na epanalabw, to eipame kai xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera, prwton oti hdh apo shmera h mia apo tis treis etaireies poy fernei embolia exei arxisei na fernei epipleon 70.000 embolia, einai h etaireia toy k. Gerolymatoy , h deyterh h Glaxo qa ferei 90.000 embolia epipleon kai h trith toy k. Giannakopoyloy 50.000 embolia gia to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai enhmerwqhka shmera oti qa ferei kai epipleon 40.000, ikanopoiwntas paraggelia toy IKA. Kai taytoxrona to Institoyto Paster se synergasia me ta omologa institoyta Paster ths Eyrwphs qa exoyn kanei eisagwgh epipleon 25.000. Apo ayta ta misa qa doqoyn sthn agora, ta alla misa qa desmeytoyn apo ton EOF, wste se periptwsh poy akrita kai askopa mh eypaqeis omades pane kai kanoyn emboliasmoys, na ta exoyn, wste na ta dioxeteysoyn organwmena se osoys endexomenws apo aytoys poy qa eprepe na kanoyn to embolio den to exoyn kanei, eite giati den brhkan, eite giati den prolaban. Kai taytoxrona sxetika me to Tamifloy epanalambanw prwton, th megalh paraggelia dhladh ta 200.000 koytia kai 250 kila skonh poy qa paraxqoyn se doseis apo to Institoyto Paster. To prwto hmisy ayths ths paraggelias ypologizoyme -me bash th desmeysh poy yparxei apo thn etaireia poy paragei to farmako-ma erqei Aprilio me Maio kai kata to diasthma ayto, para to oti einai ejairetikws apiqano ews adynato na yparxei kroysma, kroysma oxi se pthno ennow, se anqrwpo, sas lew oti se epipedo Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias exei epelqei symfwnia me thn Etaireia na promhqeytoyme 20.000 koytia ta opoia qa desmeytoyn ston EOF kai alles 20.000 koytia qa erqoyn telos Noembrioy poy qa doqoyn sthn agora, sta farmakeia.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (Den akoygetai)

KAKLAMANHS: Nai, se koytia. Ayta, loipon, einai apo apoch enhmerwshs kai se o,ti afora ton emboliasmo kai se oti afora to farmako.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabazontas xqes thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs eidame oti to ``ypopto'' kroysma poy epibebaiwqhke (den akoygetai) eixe xarakthristei ws ypopto apo tis 13 toy mhnos. Xqes to apogeyma stis 17:00 panta symfwna me thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, epibebaiwqhke oti einai typoy H(den akoygetai) H5. Qelw na moy peite, pote enhmerwqhke to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai poies htan oi energeies poy ekane kai stis 13 toy mhnos, prolhptika kaqara, kai pws to apogeyma.

KAKLAMANHS: Se o,ti afora to skelos toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, qa apanthsei o k. Kontos. Emeis enhmerwqhkame xqes to apogeyma kai den yphrxan tipota idiaiteres energeies na kanoyme giati den xreiazontoysan. Peran toy oti prwton, organwsame th shmerinh episkech twn eidikwn episthmonwn toy KEELPNO, dwsame odhgies stoys treis giatroys poy htan ekei, sas lew -kai to lew me t@ epainoy gia toys synadelfoys moy poy htan stis Oinoysses- oti sxedon sto perifereiako iatreio twn Oinoysswn kai to sygkekrimeno zeygari eixe emboliastei me to synhqes embolio logw hlikias, giati anhkei stis eypaqeis omades kai oxi ejaitias toy gegonotos, alla epeidh kai h pleiochfia toy plhqysmoy twn Oinoysswn to xeimwna epishs anhkei logw hlikias stis eypaqeis omades, o profylaktikos, o synhqhs emboliasmos einai se megalh ektash. Moy eipan oti toys xreiazontai 20 epipleon embolia, ta opoia kai qa staloyn- kai aplws epikoinwnhsame kai me to Nosokomeio Xioy to opoio hdh htan etoimo apo perysi stoys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Endeiktika sas lew oti sto Nosokomeio Xioy yparxei qalamos apomonwshs poy eixe proetoimastei gia to Sars.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Hqela na rwthsw an eimaste prostateymenoi apo ayth thn pleyra, an eimaste etoimh ws xwra. Bebaia protrexoyme ligo, giati den jeroyme to stelexos toy ioy pws prosbalei ta pthna stis Oinoysses. Alla ean einai to epikindyno stelexos kai metadoqei se anqrwpo kai exoyme to prwto kroysma, ti ginetai apo kei kai epeita; Ta nosokomeia einai etoima na ypodexqoyn peristatika;

KAKLAMANHS: Nomizw oti ep` aytoy exoyn apanthsei, sxetika me th metadosh se anqrwpo, eidikoi episthmones kai akomh, an paroyme to akraio senario poy exoyn anaptyjei kai exoyn paroysiasei oi Egglezoi, poy miloyn gia jespasma epidhmias se anqrwpo, miloyn gia ena xrono meta. Sthn iatrikh jerete oti tipota den einai apolyto kai bebaiws kaneis den perimenei na proetoimastei gia ena xrono meta. Proetoimazetai apo twra akomh kai an emfanistei kroysma ena xrono meta h pote, opws den emfanisthke kroysma Sars sthn Ellada perysi, poy htan mia paromoia proetoimasia. Ayto einai to ena. To deytero, qelw na pw -oi iatrikoi syntaktes to jerete, apla to epanalambanw- oti an den eimaste oi prwtoi, eimaste apo toys prwtoys sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, poy apo to Maio toy 2005 paroysiasame to Eqniko Sxedio Drashs gia Pandhmia . Ayto brisketai hdh sthn Komision kai thn Pempth qa paroysiastei sthn telikh toy morfh, afoy exoyme parei tis parathrhseis twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn kai tis exoyme enswmatwsei. To teliko mas sxedio qa doqei sta xeria toy k. Kyprianoy. Epishs, oi iatrikoi syntaktes gnwrizete oti apo to kalokairi to mhna Aygoysto paroysiasthke gia to Nosokomeio Agios Dhmhtrios p.x. sth Qessalonikh to sxedio Perseas. Mesa s@ ayto poy antimetwpizei polla pragmata yparxei kai h epidhmia, epidhmia genikws. Ayth th stigmh poy milame einai ola ta megala nosokomeia, 52 ton ariqmo, poy sthn oysia omws kalyptoyn th megalh pleiochfia twn klinwn me ton Persea sta xeria. Exei paei se ola kai qa ginei kai ``eidikh'' ekpaideysh. Sas enhmerwnw oti apoce gia ayth thn epipleon eidikh ekpaideysh exoyme kalesei ta stelexh twn nosokomeiwn ths Qrakhs, einai aytonohto, enw xqes egine gia allo logo syskech twn proedrwn twn DYPE sto Ypoyrgeio. Se o,ti afora th DYPE toy Boreioy Aigaioy, to sxedio Perseas exei hdh dianemhqei asxetws toy peristatikoy Oinoysswn apo th DYPE kai thn k. Xatzopoyloy se ola ta nosokomeia ths perioxhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exete erqei se epafh me toys syndesmoys twn farmakopoiwn oi opoioi dexontai hdh megales pieseis apo toys polites gi` ayta ta embolia;

KAKLAMANHS: Sas ypenqymizw oti ta embolia ayta, epeidh einai dwrean apo ta asfalistika tameia, qa eprepe na einai syntagografoymena. Ayto shmainei oti kaneis farmakopoios den qa eprepe na kanei embolia sto farmakeio toy xwris syntagh iatroy. Gi` ayto, paroti apo to synhqes poson toy 1.100.000 emboliwn poy ginotan kaqe xrono, giati to embolio den einai gia th griph twn poylerikwn, einai gia th synhqh griph, exoyme ftasei to 1.450.000. Yparxei elleich emboliwn, eite gia anqrwpoys poy den prepei na kanoyn alla to zhtoyn, eite kai gia osoys qa eprepe na kanoyn kai gia to logo poy sas eipa den exoyn kanei. H egkyklios poy bghke xqes apo ton EOF dioxeteythke mesw toy Panellhnioy Farmakeytikoy Syllogoy se oloys toys farmakopoioys, oti apo toyde kai sto ejhs qa prepei na einai poly prosektikoi , to embolio na xorhgeitai mono me syntagh iatroy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Oi plhrofories anaferoyn omws shmera, epeidh exoyme problhma sto IKA, apeyqynontai pleon alloi asfalismenoi sto IKA gia na paroyn thn syntagh, kai sta perissotera IKA den yparxei (den akoyetai) ranteboy, yparxei terastios synwstismos to prwi (den akoygetai) h opoy yparxei ranteboy to ranteboy einai meta apo treis ebdomades.

KAKLAMANHS: Gia poio pragma;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia na paroyn th syntagh gia to embolio toy IKA.

KAKLAMANHS: Nomizw oti gia th syntagografhsh kai se epipedo megaloy asfalistikoy organismoy, opws einai to IKA, mporei na breqei lysh dioti einai allo to ranteboy poy mporei na zhtaei kaneis kai allo na leei gia syntagografhsh. Egw, as poyme, mporw na brw mia skech na sas pw oti mporei na einai enas sygkekrimenos paqologos poy na kanei mono ayth th doyleia se kaqe ypokatasthma@

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayto prepei na to deite pantws giati yparxoyn plhrofories@

KAKLAMANHS: Egw den mpainw se alla xwrafia, lew mia skech aplh kai praktikh dhladh.

KARAGIWRGOS: Eipate prohgoymenws gia ta embolia kai to pws frontizei to Ypoyrgeio gia thn eparkeia ths agoras. Yparxoyn plhrofories oti megaloi nosokomeiakoi sxhmatismoi den exoyn embolia na emboliasoyn to proswpiko toys to opoio me bash thn egkyklio toy k. Giannopoyloy prepei na emboliastei, prepei na frontisei@

KAKLAMANHS: Den xreiazotan h egkyklios ayth. H egkyklios ayth yparxei edw kai 10 xronia. Apla (den akoygetai).

KARAGIWRGOS: Ki egw xqes parajeneythka poy to akoysa oti oi idioi oi ergazomenoi qewroyn oti den anhkoyn stis omades kindynoy gia th griph. Kai deyteron an exei ginei elegxos gia to ypopto kroysma ston Ebro kai ti edeijan ta apotelesmata.

KAKLAMANHS: Gia to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, armodio na apanthsei einai to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Se o,ti afora to prwto, opws jerete, o emboliasmos sto proswpiko twn nosokomeiwn ginetai en mesw twn epitropwn endonosokomeiakwn loimwjewn. Se alla nosokomeia h kalych einai poly megalh, se alla mikroterh kai bebaiws den mporoyme na ypoxrewsoyme emeis kanenan apo to proswpiko an den qelei na paei na kanei to embolio. Kai to Institoyto Paster, opws jerete, einai se stenh synergasia me to Ypoyrgeio, ta 25.000 kata kanona qa pane se opoio nosokomeio den exei oloklhrwqei, se aytoys poy qeloyn na to kanoyn. Egw endeiktika sas lew oti xronia doyleya se nosokomeio, eimai 58 etwn, pote den ekana sth zwh moy kai oyte qa kanw kai fetos, antigripiko embolio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Akoyga to prwi ton ypeyqyno ths agrotikhs anaptyjhs toy nomoy Ebroy ton k. Triantafylloy poy elege to ejhs: Oti h katastash einai apogohteytikh giati h (den akoygetai) kthniatrikh yphresia sthn tyxh ths. Prin mia ebdomada h ekproswpoi twn ergasthriakwn giatrwn eipan oti den yparxei oyte enas giatros, mikrobiologos sta kentra ygeias oytws wste na diagnwsei ena sobaro kroysma poy na exei sxesh me th griph twn poylerikwn. Mia allh kthniatros, to prwi thn akoyga, elege oti moy leipei o eidikeymenos giatros poy qa piasei to peristatiko apo to pthno ston anqrwpo. Akoygontas ola ayta anarwtiemai: Mporei na dikaiologhqei ayth h aisiodojia poy ekfrasate mesw toy sxedioy Persea;

KAKLAMANHS: Gia na arxisw apo to teleytaio, den ejefrasa kamia aisiodojia kai kamia apaisiodojia. Apo thn prwth mera eipa oti se periptwseis krisimes h cyxraimia einai o kalyteros symboylos. Eipa oyte efhsyxasmos, kai ayto apodeiknyetai apo to oti emeis apo ton Martio, allo an sas to dwsame ton Maio, yphrxe to eqniko sxedio drashs kai to gnwrizete para poly kala kai allo h apaisiodojia. Ayto einai to ena. Egw apantw apo tis treis parathrhseis kapoiwn politwn opws eipate, mono sth deyterh poy afora to Ypoyrgeio moy. Ean moy breite mia xwra ston kosmo poy sto kentro ygeias ths yparxei eidikos mikrobiologos poy kanei ayth thn ejeidikeymenh ejetash, parakalw na moy peite poia xwra einai ayth.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Egw milhsa gia systhma poy jekinaei apo ton kthniatro kai ftaneis to kentro ygeias.

KAKLAMANHS: Den yparxei ejeidikeymenos mikrobiologos poy na kanei se kentro ygeias thn ejetash. Akomh kai an yphrxe h epibebaiwsh qa ginotan apo ta eqnika kentra anaforas. Alla @epanalambanw- breite moy mia xwra sthn yfhlio poy, sto kentro ygeias ths, yparxei ejeidikeymenos mikrobiologos.

SPYRAKH: Hqela na rwthsw katarxhn, erwthsh pros ton k. Konto, an epibebaiwnetai to kroysma ston Ebro, kai einai poly sobaro giati yparxei para poly entonh fhmologia kai deyteron, erwthsh pros esas, an protiqeste, giati ap` oti katalabainw exei yparjei enas terastios panikos ston kosmo, na proxwrhsete se poly apla mhnymata pros toys polites poy qa ejhgoyn to problhma. Akomh kai sta MME den egine xqes diakrito oti ayto to H5 einai diaforetiko apo to H5N1.

KAKLAMANHS: Egw katarxhn, mias kai moy dinete to enaysma qelw na eyxaristhsw thn pleiochfia twn MME, giati ektimw sto plaisio toy dynatoy, giati xreiazontai kapoies fores kai ejeidikeymenes gnwseis, den jerw poso katanohtes einai sto koino, kai kyriws stoys syntaktes toy Ypoyrgeioy moy alla kai toys ypoloipoys, pisteyw oti ginetai kalh enhmerwsh. Sigoyra mporei na yparxoyn kapoia kena, eite dioti mporei na ftaiw egw, eite logw toy oti xreiazetai ejeidikeymenh gnwsh. Alla, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti paradeigmatos xarh sto sympaqes zeygari twn dyo mikrwn pthnotrofwn stis Oinoysses, mia ebdomada an kaqomaste gia na toys poyme th diafora metajy toy H5 kai toy H5N1 den prokeitai na thn katalaboyn. Mh ftanoyme loipon se akraies periptwseis. Egw pisteyw oti xreiazetai epipleon to ejhs: Afoy prohgoymenws doyme poies einai oi genikes koines kateyqynthries grammes kai se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs -sas lew apo twra th mera poy qa apofasistei- oti thn erxomenh ebdomada qa sygklhqei h olomeleia ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs gia thn pandhmia griphs, th synqesh ths oi iatrikoi syntaktes thn jerete, kai ekei qa kaqorisoyme mesa se ola ta alla kai ayto to opoio eipate. Mhn koitate, egw eimai giatros kai mporw na pw pente eidika pragmata. Qa mporoysa omws na eimai Ypoyrgos Ygeias kai na eimai politikos mhxanikos. Den qa mporoysa na pw tipota eidiko, para mono to politiko skelos kai to yphresiako, alla se episthmoniko epipedo den qa mporoysa na dwsw kamia apanthsh. Ektimw, loipon, oti paroti eimai giatros, thn enhmerwsh pros esas kai apo esas pros toys polites gia eidika episthmonika qemata, prepei na thn analaboyn eidikoi episthmones. Kai yparxoyn arketoi kai para poly ajiologoi mesa sthn eqnikh epitroph gia thn pandhmia griphs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: En pash periptwsei as eimaste cyxraimoi kai oti se dyo xronia, exoyme 65 qanatoys kai 120 kroysmata. Yparxei mia tromo-ysteria apo to Londino poy bgainoyn kai milane oti se periptwsh pandhmias milame gia 50.000 qanatoys. Kapoia dhmosieymata gia th xwra mas kanane logo gia 7.000 qanatoys. Apo to reportaz poy kaname kai apo ton kosmo, o kosmos einai dixasmenos kai o kosmos leei: Den pisteyoyme tipote apo ola ayta, einai ena senario tromo-ysterias gia kapoioys logoys poy isws na einai kai ponhroi.

KAKLAMANHS: Antilambanomai ti yponoeite, alla egw ayth th stigmh den exw stoixeia gia na epibebaiwsw oti yparxoyn kai ponhroi logoi. Ws ypoyrgos Ygeias kai ws giatros, eimai ypoxrewmenos osa h episthmonikh tekmhriwsh epiballei na laboyme ws metra, na ta laboyn ypoch toys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, twra, steilate klimakio stis Oinoysses. Ean emfanistoyn 20,30 periptwseis san tis Oinoysses, pws qa antimetwpistoyn; Den qa eprepe na yparxei diktyo, domes tetoies apo oloys toys typoys twn yphresiwn, dhladh Kthniatrikh, Dhmosia Ygeia, kai Dhmosio Systhma Ygeias poy na antimetwpisei to peristatiko; Ti qa ginei;

KAKLAMANHS: Se o,ti afora to Ypoyrgeio moy, gnwrizete oti yparxei. Gia ta ypoloipa Ypoyrgeia, rwthste toys armodioys ypoyrgoys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate posa epipleon embolia exoyn paraggelqei apo tis etairies. Qa mporoysate ayth th stigmh na mas peite posa embolia exoyn desmeytei wste an parastei anagkh oi eypaqeis omades toy plhqysmoy poy den exoyn emboliastei na emboliastoyn;

KAKLAMANHS: Den to prosejate isws, to eipa. Oti ap@ aytes tis 210.000 epipleon embolia ta misa qa diateqoyn ston EOF, wste ean kapoioi poy anhkoyn stis eypaqeis omades poy den exoyn emboliastei@

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Rwtw posa exoyn desmeyqei. Oxi apo ayta poy qa erqoyn posa qa desmeyqoyn.

KAKLAMANHS: Ayta poy hrqan dieteqhsan. Sas ta eipa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ara ayth th stigmh den yparxoyn desmeymena@

KAKLAMANHS: Prepei na dieykrinisw kati se esas, giati oi iatrikoi syntaktes to jeroyn oti ta embolia den paraggellontai apo thn Politeia. Erxontai mesw twn antiproswpwn. Emeis omws twra exoyme to dikaiwma, estw kai mesw ayths ths diadikasias gia to logo poy eipa apo thn posothta twn 210.000 epipleon dosewn embolioy na krathsoyme tis 100.000 gia to skopo poy sas eipa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ayth th stigmh yparxoyn desmeymena embolia kai se ti ariqmo;

KAKLAMANHS: Eimai safhs. Eipa oti h prwth partida twn 70.000 arxizei na erxetai apo shmera. Kai mesa sto prosexes dekahmero qa exoyme kai tis alles 3.000. Sas eipa kai tis etairies, sas eipa kai tis posothtes.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti epipleon kondyli, diaqesame gia thn griph, me aformh en pasei periptwsei thn etoimothta gia thn griph poylerikwn;

KAKLAMANHS: Kat@ arxhn, h diadikasia poy sas eixa pei se epipedo nosokomeiwn den htan mono se sxesh me th griph. To mono sygkekrimeno epipleon ameso, einai peripoy 6 ek. eyrw gia to TAMIFLOU, epanalambanw ameso kai peripoy 1 ek. eyrw gia antidrasthria poy xreiazetai, oxi ypo th morfh na exoyme epipleon sta dyo kentra anaforas Aqhnas kai Qessalonikhs sxetika me th griph. Milw gia ameso.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mporeite na mas peite ti ginetai me tis monades aytes, poy paragoyn kotopoyla sthn Eyboia, sta Megara, sth Nea Makrh k.a. Exete labei eseis ws Ypoyrgeio kapoio metro;

KAKLAMANHS: Epanalambanw, den exoyme emeis kamia sxesh me tis monades. Einai apokleistika kai apo apoch typikhs alla kai oysiastikhs @episthmonikhs armodiothtas ths Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai qa sas apanthsei o k. Kontos. Pantws qelw na pw oti sthn eqnikh epitroph gia thn pandhmia griphs bebaiws metexei kai ekproswpos apo to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, me ton opoio eimaste se synexh epafh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ta dika sas organa dhladh, den elegxoyn aytes tis monades iatrikws;

KAKLAMANHS: Den exoyme kamia sxesh. Kamia

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia enhmerwsh aytwn twn anqrwpwn poy einai apo jenes xwres kai den jeroyn oyte th glwssa, aplh ygeionomikh enhmerwsh, kampania. Yparxei problhma.

KAKLAMANHS: Opws gnwrizete oi ygeionomikes odhgies exoyn bgei se treis glwsses. Ayto poy isws pareleica na pw, giati to qewrw aytonohto, giati to gnwrizete, ginetai kai se mh periodoys krisewn, einai oti apo ta embolia toy Institoytoy PASTER, epeidh einai kai anqrwpoi, poy oyte lefta mporei na mhn exoyn, oi aporoi kai oi jenoi, oyte asfalistikh kalych na exoyn, oi eypaqeis omades aytwn twn anqrwpwn qa emboliastoyn dwrean apo ta embolia poy sas eipa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Se periptwsh poy qa epideinwnotan ena kroysma se anqrwpo, opws exei ginei sthn Asia, ti dynatothtes eixe na elegjei monwseis sta nosokomeia, wste na mporei na krathsei ton anqrwpo makria. Epeidh eixate Olympiakoys Agwnes kai prepei na yparxei kati.

KAKLAMANHS: Oles oi monades poy eixan proetoimastei gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai gia to Sars, alla kai gia alla pragmata, briskontai se etoimothta. Den mphke se paysh kamia. Gi` ayto kai endeiktika sas anefera oxi nosokomeia ths Aqhnas, poy ayto isws htan aytonohto. Sas anefera endeiktika to nosokomeio ths Xioy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia poso kosmo einai aytes oi monades;

KAKLAMANHS: Kat` arxas, prepei na sas pw oti einai allo h monada arnhtikhs pieshs kai allo monada apomonwshs. Milame kat` arxhn gia monada apomonwshs. To Sars htan eidikh periptwsh me eidikh nosologikh eikona poy xreiazotan ektos apo apomonwsh, se kapoia stadio kai arnhtikh piesh. Mhn mperdeyoyme ta pragmata. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Para tayta, kai oi monades arnhtikhs pieshs yparxoyn, alla kyriws mas endiaferei sth fash ths griphs h monada apomonwshs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mporoyme afoba na trwme kotopoyla; Ta katoikidia, ta pthna, dhladh ta kanarinakia k.lp. einai epikindyna;

KAKLAMANHS: Gia men to deytero qa sas apanthsei o k. Kontos. Oson afora to prwto, sas apantw, oti egw proxqes to brady efaga kotopoylo. Kai den protiqemai na stamathsw na trww kotopoylo.

KONTOS: Ektos apo ayta poy anakoinwse xqes o ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Mpasiakos, qelw na sas plhroforhsw oti ennea nea deigmata kai mia nekrh galopoyla exoyn metaferqei apo th Xio sto Eqniko Ergasthrio Anaforas sth Qessalonikh. Xqes to brady stis 12 htan sth Qessalonikh. Ginontai oi analyseis. Ews ayrio to prwi qa exoyme ta apotelesmata, opote qa pistopoihqei qetika h arnhtika h ypocia ths griphs twn poylerikwn. Epishs, qa sas plhroforhsw oti o Nomarxhs Xioy exei ekdwsei apofash apo xqes to brady kai exoyn lhfqei ola ta metra sth Xio gia thn antimetwpish ths ypocias ths griphs twn pthnwn. Shmera ylopoieitai h apofash toy ayth. O k. Mpasiakos metexei shmera sto Loyjemboyrgo sto Symboylio Ypoyrgwn ths E.E. opoy kyriws syzhteitai to qema ths griphs twn pthnwn kai alla genikotera qemata agrotikhs politikhs se sxesh me ton POE. Exoyme epikoinwnhsei shmera kai me ton Perifereiarxh kai me to Nomarxh sth Xio. Einai kai oi dyo stis Oinoysses. Lambanontai ola ta metra kai opws sas eipa anamenoyme ta apotelesmata apo to Eqniko Ergasthrio Anaforas ths Qessalonikhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exei breqei kai allo qetiko deigma;

KONTOS: Mexri stigmhs ektos apo to qetiko deigma, apo tis Oinoysses, kanena allo deigma den exei breqei qetiko.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ekkremoyn apotelesmata akoma;

KONTOS: Ejetazontai deigmata apo olh thn Ellada.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Aytes tis monades, k. ypoyrge, poy anefera prin kai den phra apanthsh apo ton k. Kaklamanh, poios tis elegxei; Apo poy elegxontai;

KONTOS: Oi monades aytes elegxontai se kaqhmerinh bash apo toys kthniatroys twn Nomarxiakwn Aytodioikhsewn. Kai malista otan exoyn sfages kotopoylwn elegxontai sta sfageia se kaqhmerinh bash, synexeia. Lambanontai deigmata kai stelnontai gia analyseis. Qelw na sas pw oti aytes oi monades einai kai oi pleon asfaleis, dioti ta kotopoyla den einai ekteqeimena, einai kleismena kai kata synepeia den yparxei kindynos na erqoyn se epafh eite me agria, eite me apodhmhtika poylia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H katanalwsh, omws, epese kata 60%.

KONTOS: H katanalwsh epese kata ena megalo pososto. Qewroyme oti den yparxei kanenas kindynos sthn katanalwsh proiontwn twn poylerikwn.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den to lete, omws.

KONTOS: To exoyme pei kata koron se polles emfaniseis, se radiothleoptika mesa, poy kaname kai se polles dhlwseis mas. To exoyme pei. Den yparxei kanenas apolytws kindynos sthn katanalwsh mageiremenwn trofimwn apo poylerika.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: To ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs ofeile na enhmerwsei apo tis 13.10 to ypoyrgeio Ygeias gia to deigma poy brhke kai thn ypocia poy eixe;

KONTOS: Kat` arxas, ek paradromhs, grafhke gia tis 13.10 . Stis 14.10 eixame thn plhroforia oti yphrje kapoio problhma ygeias stis Oinoysses sthn sygkekrimenh ektrofh. Thn idia hmera, dyo kthniatroi ths Nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs episkefqhkan tis Oinoysses kai phran ta deigmata. H klinikh eikona poy eixame tote htan oti einai poly dyskolo na yparxei h griph twn pthnwn. H klinikh eikona poy eixan ta pthna, diapistwsan oi dyo kthniatroi oti, htan kakh diatrofh kai entonh eswterikh parasitwsh . Den yphrxe, dhladh, oyte kan ypocia. Kata synepeia, to ypoyrgeio Ygeias enhmerwqhke otan eginan oi ergasthriakes analyseis kai diapistwqhke oti yphrxe ypocia ths griphs twn pthnwn, se ena apo ta ennea deigmata poy phrame.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ti ginetai me ta katoikidia pthna;

KONTOS: H piqanothta na prosblhqoyn ta katoikia pthna apo th griph twn pthnwn einai elaxisth. Otan ena poylaki einai se kloybi, den erxetai se epafh me agria h apodhmhtika poylia, ta opoia metaferoyn th griph twn pthnwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Me ta peristeria einai to idio;

KONTOS: Sta peristeria, ean zoyn ejw, katalabainete oti o kindynos einai megalyteros.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Apo thn epanejetash toy qetikoy deigmatos shmera ti akribws apotelesma perimenoyme; Perimenoyme na epibebaiwqei..

KONTOS: Thn epibebaiwsh ths ypocias ths griphs twn pthnwn. Milame gia orologikh ejetash.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa pame se ypopto bebaiwmeno, ean dhladh epibebaiwqei. Etsi;

KONTOS: Qa pame se epibebaiwsh ths ypocias. H orologikh ejetash, h opoia ginetai se epta h oktw hmeres, dinei thn epibebaiwsh toy N1, oti einai h griph twn pthnwn, ayth h opoia exei parathrhqei stis xwres ths Apw Anatolhs.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Dhladh, shmera qa eimaste bebaioi oti einai h H5;

KONTOS: Qa eimaste bebaioi oti einai h H5, efoson bgei qetikh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Stis pthnotrofikes aytes monades exete steilei giatroys ergasias na deite ean throyntai oi kanones poy prepei, oytws wste na mhn exoyme paratragoyda;

KONTOS: Epeidh kanate mia erwthsh prin -kai sas akoysa- gia thn elleich twn kthniatrwn, qelw na sas pw oti h kthniatrikh yphresia, otan analabame eixe sthn kentrikh yphresia kai stis perifereiakes yphresies twn Nomarxiakwn Aytodioikhsewn 350 kenes organikes qeseis. Se syntomo xroniko diasthma exoyme proslabei 250 neoys kthniatroys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (den akoygetai).

KONTOS: Synexws episkeptontai oi kthniatroi, apo pleyras ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn kai twn Nomarxiakwn Aytodioikhsewn tis monades aytes.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mia dieykrinish: Eipate prin gia ennea nea deigmata. Den htan deigmata poy hdh eixan elegxqei apo to kthniatriko ergasthrio twn Aqhnwn ayta poy stalqhkan sth Qessalonikh;

KONTOS: Oxi. Steilame apo thn idia ektrofh xqes kthniatroys, apo thn Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh ths Xioy kai phran ennea nea deigmata. Dioti miloyme gia mia mikrh oikosith ektrofh. Den miloyme gia mia megalh monada. Phrame ennea nea deigmata kai mia nekrh galopoyla.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Epishs, eipate prin oti einai pio asfalh ta kotopoyla ta opoia einai mesa sta pthnotrofia giati den erxontai se epafh me agria kai apodhmhtika pthna. Qelw me aformh ayto na sas rwthsw ta ejhs: Afoy ki eseis omologeite, paradexeste oti einai pio asfalh ayta ta kotopoyla, giati h Ellada den elabe nwritera kapoia metra periorismoy twn poylerikwn eleyqeras boskhs, opws ekanan alles xwres ths E.E. oi opoies malista den einai epikindynes logw twn apodhmhtikwn poyliwn; Kai ena trito erwthma, xqes stis 19:00 h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn anakoinwse metra poy aforoysan, oyte kan to nhsi sto opoio entopisthke to ypopto kroysma, para mono thn ypopth monada. Mia wra argotera plhroforhqhkame apo toys antapokrites stis Bryjelles oti eginan dhlwseis ekei, symfwna me tis opoies oi ellhnikes arxes exoyn kanei symfwnia me ta eyrwpaika organa gia apagoreysh ths ejagwghs poylerikwn apo oloklhro to nomo Xioy. Giati den anakoinwqhke ayto xqes to brady apo ton k. Mpasiako;

KONTOS: Apo to Noembrio toy 2004 gnwrizoyn oles oi Nomarxiakes Aytodioikhseis ths xwras se poia metra qa proboyn, efoson yparjei ypocia ths griphs twn pthnwn. Emeis anakoinwsame to qetiko deigma kai gnwstopoihsame to qema ayto sthn Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh Xioy. Ta metra elhfqhsan me apofash toy Nomarxh. Etsi problepei o nomos. H E.E. phre th dikh ths apofash. O Nomarxhs Xioy sthn apofash toy symperielabe thn apofash ayth. Oson afora sto genikotero qema poy anaferqhkate, qelw na sas pw oti den yphrxe qema, oyte kan ypocia ths griphs twn pthnwn sth xwra mas, mexri xqes. Parola ayta, emeis, oson afora sta pthnotrofeia kai ta kotopoyla eleyqeras boskhs, apo thn prohgoymenh ebdomada me apofash mas ta periorisame.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Prwton, yphrxan anhsyxies apo eidikoys, toylaxiston apo ton Aygoysto oti kindyneyoyn oi balkanikes xwres, logw toy perasmatos twn apodhmhtikwn poyliwn. Kai phran metra xwres, opws h Ollandia, h Germania h to syzhtoysan sth Gallia, oi opoies den briskontai konta sthn epikindynh zwnh. Kai deyteron, hsastan mprosta xqes stis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Mpasiakos. Rwthsame ean prokeitai na yparjei apagoreysh twn ejagwgwn. Eipe oti tetoio metro ean lhfqei qa lhfqei thn Pempth poy synedriazei h Monimh Kthniatrikh Epitroph. Giati to apekryce h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai to maqainoyme meta apo mish wra apo thn Eyrwph, oti yparxei symfwnia me tis koinotikes arxes;

KONTOS: Den apekryce apolytws tipota h hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn. To metro einai perioristiko. Anaferetai mono sto Nomo ths Xioy, apo ton opoio -prepei na poyme oti- den ginetai kamia ejagwgh. Ejagwges poylerikwn apo to Nomo Xioy den ginontai. Katanalwnetai h paragwgh mesa sto nhsi. Kata synepeia, htan ena prolhptiko metro poy elabe o Nomarxhs Xioy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera perimenoyme ta apotelesmata apo ta deigmata stis Oinoysses poy qa mas deijoyn oti qa einai H5 h H5N1;

KONTOS: Shmera to H5. Se epta hmeres to N1.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kai to stelexos se mia ebdomada;

KONTOS: Nai. Shmera qa epibebaiwqei h qa aporrifqei h ypocia ths griphs twn pthnwn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Akoysthke oti tis teleytaies dyo ebdomades, paroti exei yparjei mia apagoreysh ths E.E. gia ejagwges kotopoyloy apo thn Toyrkia, sth Xio kai en pash periptwsei piqanon kai se alla akritika nhsia erxontoysan kotopoyla. To epibebaiwnete ayto; Exei yparjei kapoio empodio, yparxei kapoia enhmerwsh twn anqrwpwn ekei; Giati ypotiqetai oti phgainan kai epairnan kotopoyla giati ta ebriskan fqhna kai ta efernan apo thn Toyrkia.

KONTOS: Kathgorhtika sas lew oti kamia eisagwgh proiontwn zwikhs proeleyshs, edw kai xronia, den ginetai apo thn Toyrkia. Oxi monon poylerikwn. Kamia eisagwgh proiontwn zwikhs proeleyshs, dioti oi kthniatrikes yphresies ths xwras den parexoyn th dynatothta paragwghs asfalwn kai ygieinwn proiontwn zwikhs proeleyshs. Sas lew, loipon, kathgorhmatika oti kamia eisagwgh poylerikwn den egine apo th geitonikh xwra.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ean paei dhladh enas nhsiwths kai parei dyo kotopoyla gia to spiti toy qa empodistei na ta ferei sthn Ellada;

KONTOS: Bebaiws qa empodistei, sto Telwneio den qa toy epitrecoyn na ta ferei sth xwra mas.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Mporeite na mas kwdikopoihsete ti metra exoyn lhfqei stis perioxes poy briskontai apenanti apo thn Toyrkia;

KONTOS: Einai mia seira apo metra ta opoia problepontai, bebaia, kai sto sxedio antimetwpishs ths griphs twn pthnwn. Oson afora to qema ths ypocias ths griphs ginetai apografh olwn twn poylerikwn kai prosdiorizetai h kathgoria toy ariqmoy twn nekrwn poylerikwn, ginetai periorismos sthn ekmetalleysh, etsi wste na mhn erxontai se epafh me alla poylerika kai agria pthna. Apagoreyontai oi metafores poylerikwn apo kai pros thn ektrofh. Apagoreyetai h metakinhsh klwsopoylwn, oxhmatwn, allwn zwwn, kreatos h ptwmatwn, zwotrofwn, eidikwn aporrimmatwn kai ginetai ypoxrewtikh xrhsh apolymantikwn meswn stis eisodoys kai ejodoys twn ktiriwn stegashs poylerikwn kai ths idias ths ekmetalleyshs. Qelw, epishs, na sas pw oti me apofash toy Nomarxh exei apagoreyqei h ejagwgh -opws eipame- poylerikwn pros thn hpeirwtikh Ellada, alles xwres ths E.E. kai trites xwres.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ta idia metra isxyoyn kai ston Ebro;

KONTOS: Sto Ebro den yparxei ypocia griphs twn pthnwn. Kata synepeia, giati na isxyoyn ta metra; Ston Ebro isxyoyn ta genika metra ths apagoreyshs eisagwgwn poylerikwn apo thn Toyrkia kai th Roymania.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kotopoylo qa fate, trwte;

KONTOS: Nai, egw trww kotopoylo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Yparxei skech na apagoreyqei to kynhgi, ayth thn epoxh, logw twn apodhmhtikwn poyliwn;

KONTOS: Pros to paron eimaste se poly kalh synergasia me toys kynhgetikoys syllogoys. Mas bohqoyn sth syllogh twn deigmatwn. Den syntrexoyn logoi gia thn apagoreysh toy kynhgioy.

Sas eyxaristoyme.

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