Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-10-17

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Aqhna, 17 Oktwbrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, synedriazei, sto Megaro Majimoy, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qema thn perifereiakh anaptyjh ths xwras, enocei toy D@ K.P.S..

Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh me aformh ta osa eipe o k. Papandreoy. Exei hdh yparjei mia apanthsh, alla qa hqela na epanalabw, giati polys logos ginetai ton teleytaio kairo apo thn pleyra toy PASOK gia ta qemata twn proslhcewn.

Einai gnwsth apo to parelqon h praktikh toy PASOK na ``mageireyei'' kata to dokoyn toys ariqmoys, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei mia ceydh eikona, mia eikonikh pragmatikothta kai panw se ayth na xtizei thn propaganda toy. To ekane me thn anergia, otan xrhsimopoiwntas stoixeia ths proteleytaias apografhs, anti ths teleytaias opws ofeile na kanei, emfanize ta pososta ths anergias meiwmena se sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Ekrybe, dhladh, thn alhqeia. To ekane me toys proypologismoys. Paizontas me toys ariqmoys, emfanize toys elleimmatikoys proypologismoys ws pleonasmatikoys, ekrybe xreh, ekrybe to elleimma. H apokrych ths alhqeias einai sto PASOK mia paradosh etwn. Kai dystyxws synexizetai shmera, ayth th fora sto qema twn proslhcewn. Gnwrizei poly kala o k. Papandreoy oti den prokeitai peri newn proslhcewn, alla sth syntriptikh pleionothta peri ananewshs symbasewn, eite ekeinwn poy ginontai twra aoristoy xronoy, eite ekeinwn poy epeidh den ginontai aoristoy xronoy, moriodotoyntai, opws problepei o nomos. Dhladh, sth syntriptikh pleionothta apallassoyme apo thn omhria ergazomenoys, oi opoioi proslhfqhkan apo to PASOK me diadikasia ektos ASEP. Ayto den einai aplws kai mono eskemmenh anakribeia toy k. Papandreoy, alla einai xarakthristiko deigma enos politikoy qrasoys, sto opoio paramenei pisto to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ta ypoloipa, qa apanthqoyn me leptomerestera stoixeia apo ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs k. Prokoph Paylopoylo, se epikairh erwthsh poy exei katateqei hdh sth Boylh, apo to PASOK.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Meleta h kybernhsh to endexomeno na zhthsei apo ta hlektronika MME, ta thleoptika diktya en prokeimenw, na mhn yparxoyn stis metrhseis ths AGB oi apogeymatines zwnes poy emfanizontai ws deltia eidhsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia skech. Ekeino poy qelw na sas pw einai oti se o,ti afora ta MME gnwrizete pws einai jekaqarh h strathgikh. Thn exw anaptyjei polles fores, thn exw pei kai edw. Eixe thn eykairia kai o Prwqypoyrgos, me aformh epikairh erwthsh poy egine thn perasmenh ebdomada, na thn kanei safh sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Ekeino to opoio prepei na ginei einai ta ejhs sygkekrimena bhmata: Oloklhrwsh ths diapragmateyshs poy ginetai me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia to qema toy basikoy metoxoy. Sth synexeia, nomoqethsh gia th sygkentrwsh twn MME kai bebaiws, h adeiodothsh. Mia adeiodothsh poy kaqysterei epi sxedon 20 xronia sta radiofwna kai tis thleoraseis, me thn ejairesh ths mias kai monhs adeiodothshs poy egine stoys radiofwnikoys staqmoys ths Aqhnas, prin apo tessera xronia.

SIDERHS: Den hjeran ta stelexh sas, poies htan oi yperboles ths eisaggelikhs thleoptikhs dhmosiografias; Giati thn anakalycan twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas. Parakalw na to kanete pio safes.

SIDERHS: Bghke o k. Kefalogiannhs kai kathggeile, bghke o k. Meimarakhs kai kathggeile toys dhmosiografoys, eidika ths thleoptikhs dhmosiografias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ayto poy lete, den exw thn entypwsh oti kathggeilan dhmosiografoys. Ekeino to opoio synebh einai mia antiparaqesh kai h antiparaqesh einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias. Otan kapoios dexetai kritikh, ofeilei na apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Ma, eipan oti alloiwnoyn kai tis dhlwseis twn kybernhtikwn stelexwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean yparxei tetoio deigma, ofeilei o politikos, toy opoioy oi dhlwseis alloiwnontai, na to anaferei. Oyte ayto to briskw kako sto plaisio ths Dhmokratias.

GKOYTZANHS: Gia na meinw ston k. Kefalogiannh, k. Ekproswpe sas eixa rwthsei thn perasmenh ebdomada gia ena dhmosieyma toy ``Qematos''. Me parapemcate sthn epistolh toy k. Kefalogiannh, emeis ws ofeilame th dhmosieysame kai sthn prwth selida, symfwna me th deontologia. Opoy anaferei o k. Kefalogiannhs, kanontas kai xaritologhma oti den egrace to dhmosieyma ``xeir tis'', alla ``poys tis''. Na ypoqesw oti mias kai mas parapemcate ekei, ayto to yfos kai to hqos toy k. Kefalogiannh, ekfrazei kai thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws agnoeite thn istorikh anafora toy qematos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kaqoloy, to eipa oloklhrwmena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Lew oti profanws agnoeite thn istorikh anafora toy qematos. Opws gnwrizete h mallon opws den gnwrizete -fantazomai oti kapoioi qa to gnwrizoyn, exontas diabasei th neoterh ellhnikh istoria- yparxei h istorikh anafora poy anagetai sto apwtero parelqon. O Gewrgios Pop, stenos synergaths toy Eleyqerioy Benizeloy -aytos o opoios brhke kai to onoma toy kommatos twn Fileleyqerwn- to proteine ston Eleyqerio Benizelo, exontas dexqei mia epiqesh apo to Gewrgio Blaxo, idryth kai ekdoth ths ``Kaqhmerinhs'', apanthse me th frash, thn opoia leich anaferate, oti ``toioyton arqron den dienohqh noys tis, oyde egrace xeir tis, alla poys -ennowntas podi- tis'', dhladh exei grafei sto podi. O ypoyrgos Emporikhs Naytilias anefere ayth thn istorikh frash kai apodomhse shmeio pros shmeio ta osa eixan anaferqei gia ton idio kai ton aforoysan, epishmainontas oti ``gi` ayto lew oti grafthke sto podi, dioti ta osa egrafhsan enantion moy, den einai alhqh''.

GKOYTZANHS: Epishs, se dhmosia emfanish toy o k. Kefalogiannhs zhthse apo thn efhmerida, na einai kaloplhrwtes. Dhladh, oti qa kerdisei thn agwgh poy exei enantion ths efhmeridas, opote na plhrwsoyn. Einai giati jerei kati se sxesh me th Dikaiosynh o k. Kefalogiannhs h dhmosiws piezei th Dikaiosynh na toy ekdwsei qetikh apofash gia na parei ta xrhmata poy zhtaei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei kai h aplh logikh proseggish oti otan kapoios exei dikio kai prosfeygei sth Dikaiosynh, prosfeygei me thn pepoiqhsh oti qa dikaiwqei.

POYLIDOY: Me thn idia eyrymaqeia k. Ypoyrge, qa apantoysate kai an ayth h dhlwsh eixe ginei apo ton k. Pagkalo, as poyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas anefera oti exoyme na kanoyme me ena istoriko gegonos, me mia politikodhmosiografikh antiparaqesh twn arxwn toy perasmenoy aiwna, anagomenh malista sto steno synergath toy El. Benizeloy, h opoia eixe syzhthqei kai tote, sthn epoxh ths. H anafora se ena istoriko gegonos, den blepw na exei kati to periergo h to kako.

PAPAGIANNHS: Sxetika me thn apanthsh poy dwsate sthn erwthsh ths k. Spyrakh, ean katalaba kala h dikh sas qesh, poy einai kai qesh ths kybernhshs, peri ths AGB kai twn thlemetrhsewn einai teleiws diaforetikh apo ayta poy eipe o k. Meimarakhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa parakalesw na diabasete ti akribws eipe o k. Meimarakhs. O k. Meimarakhs ekane mia ypoqesh ergasias. Eipe, endexomenws o antagwnismos einai sklhros sta MME kai dh sto thleoptiko topio, dioti yparxei h metrhsh ths thleqeashs. Ean den yphrxe -eipe o k. Meimarakhs- ta pragmata mporei na htan diaforetika. Ara, loipon, topoqethqhke me mia ypoqesh ergasias se ena sygkekrimeno qema. To sygkekrimeno sto opoio anaferqhkate, dhladh twn metrhsewn thleqeashs, einai ena qema poy exei apasxolhsei kai alles kybernhseis. Ofeiloyme na mas apasxoloyn ola ta zhthmata sto xwro twn MME, opws sas eipa prohgoymenws, se mia strathgikh, h opoia exei na kanei kyriws me th dhmioyrgia proypoqesewn ygioys antagwnismoy twn epixeirhsewn twn MME kai bebaiws, me ayto poy epitassei to Syntagma, th diafylajh ths poiothtas toy dhmosiografikoy logoy, ths dhmosiografias. Se o,ti afora to teleytaio, exw topoqethqei dhmosia sto Zappeio, otan kaname tis dyo synanthseis me toys dhmosiografoys, me aformh to qema poy syzhtoysame stis arxes toy xronoy gia th monoqesia twn dhmosiografwn sto dhmosio h ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea, legontas oti h kybernhsh, o Kwstas Karamanlhs, o omilwn ypoyrgos kai olh h kybernhsh einai yper ths aytorryqmishs se zhthmata deontologias. Prokeitai gia mia qesh apo thn opoia den exoyme apostei kai den qa apostoyme.

BLAXOS: Exete dwsei epikoinwniako synqhma stoys ypoyrgoys na epitiqentai stoys dhmosiografoys, giati apo xqes kai kyriws apo to prwi, akoyw sto radiofwno diaforoys ypoyrgoys opws h k. Marietta Giannakoy -me ekplhjh thn akoysa- na kanoyn tetoies epiqeseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den akoysa kapoies epiqeseis stis opoies anafereste. Qa elega oti kaqe ypoyrgos, opws kaqe politiko stelexos exei dikaiwma na yperaspisei ton eayto toy kai thn politikh thn opoia akoloyqei, sto plaisio mias eyryterhs kybernhtikhs politikhs kai exei dikaiwma na to kanei me enan tropo o opoios den amfisbhtei se kamia periptwsh to dhmokratiko dikaiwma toy dhmosiografoy na askhsei th doyleia toy. Apo thn allh, den mporei na amfisbhthqei kai to dhmokratiko dikaiwma toy opoioy politikoy na askhsei th dikh toy doyleia. Na kanei dhladh kai aytos kritikh. Ean akoygetai ena cema, ofeilei o politikos na apanthsei se ayto to cema.

BLAXOS: Den einai kentrikh epilogh. Den einai kentrikh grammh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O tropos me ton opoio prepei na apanta kanenas, einai mia ypoqesh poy afora thn politikh mas istoria epi aiwnes. Apanta kaneis se opoiadhpote kritikh, egw eimai edw kaqe meshmeri kai apantw stis erwthseis sas, apantw sthn kritikh, apantw se ola ta qemata poy tiqentai h en pash periptwsei se ola osa gnwrizw kai ayto ofeilei na kanei kaqe politikos. As mhn blepoyme thn apanthsh toy politikoy, h opoia endexomenws exei kai stoixeia kritikhs pros ayto to opoio dhmosiopoihqhke kai ton afora, ws epiqesh, dioti tote einai san na paradexomaste oti mia pleyra, h pleyra poy elegxei thn ejoysia dhladh ta MME, h opoia apotelei pylwna ths Dhmokratias, mporei na omilei, na grafei, na krinei h na kritikarei xwris na perimenei apanthsh. Stoixeio ths Dhmokratias einai loipon kai h apanthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Molis twra eipate oti h apanthsh enos politikoy mporei na emperiexei kai stoixeia kritikhs pros ayton poy toy askei kritikh, ton dhmosiografo dhladh. Ekeino poy den mporw na katalabw, einai giati kapoia stelexh eite einai kommatika eite kybernhtika, enoxloyntai oxi mono apo thn kritikh poy askoyn ta MME kai oi dhmosiografoi, alla kai apo ton tropo ierarxhshs twn dhmosiografikwn qematwn. Einai doyleia enos politikoy; Ayth einai h eylogh aporia moy. Na kanonizei gia to pws prepei to kaqe Meso na ierarxei tis eidhseis kai ta qemata toy; Giati an den kanw laqos, s@ ayto anaferqhke prosfatws kai eyqews o k. Meimarakhs. Enoxlhqhke apo thn ierarxhsh twn qematwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai apokleistiko dikaiwma twn dhmosiografwn, twn dieyqyntwn twn MME, twn arxisyntaktwn -th leitoyrgia th gnwrizw poly kala opws gnwrizete- na ierarxoyn ta qemata opws ekeinoi nomizoyn.

BLAXOS: Qa hqela mia apanthsh apo sas. Jerw oti den eiste etoimos, piqanon na moy th dwsete ayrio. Ti einai ayto poy ekane thn kybernhsh thn Pempth na akyrwsei kai na metaqesei gia shmera thn yposxesh pros toys dhmosiografoys na akoloyqhsoyn mazi ena synergeio toy SDOE, to opoio qa ekane elegxo se diaforoys petrelaiapoqhkes. Giati anablhqhke thn Pempth kai paei gia thDeytera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw katalabei.

BLAXOS: To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn eixe yposxeqei stoys dhmosiografoys thn Pempth na pane me diafora synergeia toy SDOE, gia na kanoyn elegxo se diaforoys apoqhkeytikoys xwroys petrelaioy. To prwi ths Pempths enhmerwqhkan oti ayto anaballetai gia th Deytera. Mhpws qa mporoysate na rwthsete kai na mas peite ayrio, giati anablhqhke; Poios einai o logos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakaloysa, to exw pei kai alles fores...

BLAXOS: Oxi, einai hqikhs tajews.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se tetoia eidika zhthmata, qa parakaloysa na apeyqyneste sta armodia ypoyrgeia. Den moy zhtate na sas pw mia politikh kateyqynsh ths kybernhshs, oyte na anakoinwsw mia nea politikh ths kybernhshs, oyte na anaferw protaseis, idees, apoceis ths kybernhshs gia ena oikonomiko zhthma. Moy lete na cajw na brw sthn Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn@

BLAXOS: Sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, an cajete@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. To qewrw poly eidiko erwthma.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dexetai protaseis h xwra mas gia na steilei ki allo strato sto Afganistan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kanena epishmo aithma na staloyn Ellhnes stratiwtes sto Afganistan.

SIDERHS: Anepishmes pieseis h protaseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws exei dhmioyrghqei mia parejhghsh h den gnwrizete kala to qema, dioti to Dekembrio ginetai mia syzhthsh stis HPA, gia thn tajiarxia ths NA Eyrwphs. Ean dhladh h tajiarxia ths NA Eyrwphs qa steilei peraiterw dynameis. Ayto einai mia syzhthsh poy qa ginei to Dekembrio. Sas diabebaiwnw pantws, opws me diabebaiwse o ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs, oti epishmo aithma na staloyn perissoteres ariqmhtika ellhnikes dynameis, den yparxei. To zhthma ths tajiarxias qa syzhthqei to Dekembrio kai ekei qa apofasistei.

SIDERHS: Opote paramenei anoixto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na gnwrizete, sthn tajiarxia NA Eyrwphs metexoyn 23 Ellhnes. Dhladh enas loxos dioikhsews.

ARMENHS: Pisteyei h kybernhsh, oti pisw apo tis epiqeseis poy dexontai ypoyrgoi opws gia paradeigma o k. Kefalogiannhs, briskontai diaplekomena symferonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio gi` ayto. Dexomai oti yparxei kritikh. Yparxei entonh kritikh kai opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, qa prepei kaneis na apanta se ola ta qemata.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ayta poy mas exete pei, mexri twra, mporoyme na bgaloyme to symperasma oti pleon h kybernhsh allazei strathgikh, qa dinei sklhrh apanthsh kai sto PASOK kai se osa MME ta opoia kata th gnwmh ths exoyn sta reportaz toys stoixeia yperbolhs h parapoihshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ofeiloyme oloi na apantame kai bebaiws an blepoyme oti parapoioyntai eite plhrofories, eite qemata h kataskeyazontai qemata, ekei qa eimaste pio aysthroi.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to eipe sxetika me safhneia o k. Meimarakhs thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma se mia omilia toy, oti ta MME pianoyn memonwmena gegonota kai m` ayta prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn genikeymenh entypwsh. Einai mia apoch poy thn exoyn kai polloi alloi ypoyrgoi, h opoia katalhgei sto oti gia thn kakh eikona ths kybernhshs ton teleytaio mhna, ftaine ta MME kai h eikona poy ayta dhmioyrgoyn kai etsi opws pernoyn ta gegonota. Einai ayth h apoch sas; Kai ena deytero, giati nomizete oti ta MME sas polemoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat@ arxas, den exw pei to deytero. Ara den mporw na nomizw kati poy den exw pei. Se oti afora to prwto exw hdh apanthsei.

PAPAGIANNHS: Dyo erwthseis oikonomikoy periexomenoy. To prwto afora th desmeysh ths kybernhshs gia perikopes stoys misqoys twn dioikhtwn megalwn organismwn kai trapezwn. Ant` aytoy, symfwna me plhrofories, o k. Gkargkanas ayjhse tis synolikes apodoxes toy peripoy kata 18%. To prwto poy qa hqela na sxoliasete einai ayto kai to deytero ena sxolio gia th dikh ths DEKA poy afora thn peribohth amartwlh periodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy, h opoia jekina shmera sto Efeteio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, milame gia mia trapeza poy leitoyrgei me idiwtikooikonomika krithria, opws gnwrizete. Se o,ti afora to deytero, jekina ontws shmera h dikh ths DEKA. Einai mia ypoqesh poy apasxolhse para polloys Ellhnes, kyriws thn periodo 1999-2000, dioti gnwrizoyme oloi oti sto Xrhmatisthrio to PASOK prospaqhse kai se ena poly megalo baqmo epetyxe, na xrhsimopoihsei thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy gia politika ofelh. Oysiastika gnwrizoyme oloi, oti ekeinh thn periodo oi Ellhnes ejapathqhkan me politikh prwtoboylia kai me politikh strathgikh apo thn tote kybernhsh. Qa perimenoyme na teleiwsei h dikh kai na doqoyn apanthseis se kapoia apo ta erwthmata poy aforoyn th DEKA kai poy einai shmantika.

SPYRAKH: O k. Gkargkanas einai Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Elladas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Trapeza ths Elladas, opws gnwrizete, exei th dikh ths leitoyrgia, h opoia den epiballetai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Emena moy kanei entypwsh to ejhs: Den einai paradojo, den fantazei paradojo gia sas, gia ton Ekproswpo ths kybernhshs, to gegonos oti apodexetai -entajei h trapeza exei idiwtikoys oroys, leitoyrgei m@ aytoys toys oroys- thn ayjhsh toy misqoy toy kata 18% o k. Gkargkanas, otan thn idia stigmh stis epishmes ekqeseis toy zhta sygkrathsh misqwn, ayjhseis oxi panw apo ton plhqwrismo; Den yparxei mia paradojothta; Egw den milaw kan gia hqiko qema. Mia paradojothta. Otan thn idia stigmh systhnei gia toys alloys meiwseis misqwn kai gia ton eayto toy tis kanei dektes tis ayjhseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To rhma poy xrhsimopoieite, odhgei th skech oswn mas akoyn ayth thn wra, oti h kybernhsh enekrine mia tetoia prajh. Den gnwrizw na exei yparjei tetoia egkrish kai den nomizw oti xreiazetai tetoia egkrish. Den exei dhladh na kanei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn m` ayto.

KAKALHS: H pleiochfia ths koinhs gnwmhs, symfwna me to barometro toy SKAI poy dhmosieyqhke thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, pisteyei oti den yparxei kamia diafora h elaxistes diafores metajy ths politikhs ths N.D. kai toy PASOK. Pisteyete oti to 18mhno ths dikhs sas diakybernhshs exei meridio eyqynhs gi` aythn thn eylogh entypwsh poy yparxei sthn koinh gnwmh; Kai deyteron, pisteyete oti exoyn wrimasei oi synqhkes gia na epanalhfqei to peirama poy yparxei kai sth Germania, toy megalokybernhtikoy synaspismoy me to PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma sas, den qa apanthsw. Den yparxei kanenas logos na ginei ena peirama sthn Ellada gia to opoio oytws h allws oi eklogeis me syntriptikh pleiochfia apofasisan poio einai to komma poy qa kybernhsei, poio einai to programma to opoio exoyn epilejei na akoloyqhqei gia thn epomenh tetraetia. Se oti afora to prwto, qelw na sas pw oti yparxoyn polles kai shmantikes diafores. Tis blepete kaqhmerina. Tis blepete stis megales politikes epiloges. Ean oi metarryqmiseis tis opoies prowqei h shmerinh kybernhsh eixan ginei prin apo deka xronia, qa htan mia allh Ellada, ayth poy qa blepame shmera.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy na epimeinw. Den yparxei ena qema hqikhs tajews, otan o Dioikhths ths Trapezhs ths Ellados proxwrei sthn ayjhsh toy misqoy toy, thn wra poy synolika h eyrwpaikh oikonomia, apo thn opoia kalws h kakws ameibetai o k. Gkargkanas, einai se troxia yfeshs kai oi protaseis poy kanei o k. Gkargkanas gia to eswteriko ths xwras, einai: sfijte to zwnari.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti to erwthma ayto qa prepei na apeyqynqei ston k. Gkargkana. Oloi krinontai.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Gkargkanas, eixe milhsei gia ejwfrenikes ayjhseis twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn ths perasmenes xronies. Oi ekqeseis toy einai basiko ergaleio poy lambanontai ypoch sth xarajh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. H kybernhsh den mporei na kanei ena sxolio ston k. Gkargkana kai s@ ayth toy thn prwtoboylia, otan h idia h kybernhsh eixe zhthsei apo toys proedroys twn DEKO na kanoyn perikopes misqwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymatai h kybernhsh ayto to opoio exei kanei kai ayto poy epanalabate shmera. Den symfwnw mazi sas oti einai ena basiko ergaleio gia thn askhsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, h ekqesh toy k. Gkargkana. H kybernhtikh politikh askeitai apo thn kybernhsh poy ejeleje o ellhnikos laos kai epi th basei twn desmeysewn poy exei sto programma ths h ND.

BLAXOS: To sxolio poy elege. To sxolio poy eipe;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eiqistai h kaqe kybernhsh otan eklegetai na topoqetei toylaxiston sthn Trapeza ths Elladas anqrwpo ths dikhs ths epiloghs kai empistosynhs. O k. Gkargkanas epi seira etwn htan yperaspisths kai epikyrwne thn politikh toy k. Shmith. Kata poia logikh twra h kybernhsh ths N.D. diathrei sthn idia ayth qesh ton k. Gkargkana, o opoios bgainei na yperaspistei kai oxi peistika thn politikh ths N.D.;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na yperaspistei, poios;

PAPADOPOYLOS: O k. Gkargkanas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste se ena systhma, to opoio den isxyei pleon. Ayto poy lete synebaine sto parelqon. Edw kai kapoia xronia den isxyei h topoqethsh Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Elladas apo thn kybernhsh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Apo pote allaje ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai polla xronia twra.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Oxi. Mexri thn kybernhsh toy k. Shmith, topoqetoyntan anqrwpos toy kybernwntos kommatos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei allajei to systhma. Se kaqe periptwsh, qa enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, giati eida oti exei poly megalo endiaferon to qema, kai qa sas apanthsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eimai proqymos na sas qymisw kai ta onomata kai tis hmeromhnies olwn twn dioikhsewn ths Trapezas ths Elladas, antistoixws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den isxyei pleon, ayto poy lete.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ara, einai mia apo tis metarryqmiseis ths kybernhshs ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Apo thn ONE kai meta, exoyn allajei ta systhmata.

PEPONHS: Egkrinetai apo th Syneleysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo thn ONE kai meta exoyn allajei ta systhmata gia oles tis Eyrwpaikes Kentrikes Trapezes. Einai h Syneleysh, opws eipe kai o synadelfos sas, poy diorizei th dioikhsh. Den gnwrizw me leptomereia th diadikasia, qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Safws oi typikes diadikasies einai etsi opws tis lete, miloyme omws politika edw. Den eiste oikonomikos paragwn h ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, eiste o kybernhtikos ekproswpos. Politikh htan h erwthsh moy kai politikh apanthsh qelw. Prohgoymenws, proseqesa aoristws, xwris na exw to mikrofwno, wraia h kybernhsh den epembainei kai parakoloyqei, alla prepei na exei krish. H krish ths kybernhshs se ayta ta fainomena, typoy Gkargkana, poia einai; Den mas thn lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa sto erwthma, legontas oti: Kaqenas krinetai.

KORAH: Pws qa xarakthrizate th sxesh ths kybernhshs me ton k. Gkargkana;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa th xarakthriza. Den katalabainw to erwthma. Ti paei na pei ``pws qa th xarakthriza'';

KORAH: Ena epiqeto: Einai ikanopoihtikes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O exwn amesh synergasia h epafh me ton k. Gkargkana einai o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, apeyqynqeite se ayton.

PEPONHS: Anekaqen tis protaseis ths Trapezas ths Elladas tis lambane ypoch ths h kybernhsh. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, poso peistikes ginontai oi protaseis ths Trapezas poy synista periorismoys stis amoibes, stis apodoxes, otan o idios o Dioikhths ths ayjanei tis dikes toy; Ayto to sxolio qeloyme na kanete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prohgoymenws dexqhka thn idia erwthsh.

POYLIDOY: Eipate prin oti ayta poy yposthrizoyn ta MME ypagontai se kritikh apo thn kybernhsh. Giati den ypagetai se kritikh mia prwtoboylia toy kentrikoy trapezith;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei dyo fores: Oloi krinontai.

POYLIDOY: Den exete apanthsei, gi ayto epanerxomaste.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Krinetai, loipon, gia thn energeia toy opoios probainei se tetoia energeia.

POYLIDOY: Aytonohto einai.

BLAXOS: Mhpws exete thn eygenh kalosynh na mas peite me poion synanthqhke apo tis 09:00 mexri tis 09:20, o k. Karamanlhs sto Grafeio toy sthn Ploytarxoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia synanthsh.

PAPAGIANNHS: Htan me ekdoth kaqhmerinhs efhmeridas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoio ranteboy.

BLAXOS: Qa maqete kai qa mas peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei tetoia synanthsh sto Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, sthn odo Ploytarxoy.

BLAXOS: Yparxei alloy h synanthsh, dhladh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai safhs se ayto poy lew.

BLAXOS: Na diagracw thn Ploytarxoy, giati egw ekei pisteyw oti egine. Kai na rwthsw: Yphrxe synanthsh, ektos Majimoy, stis 09:00 toy k. Karamanlh me kapoion paragonta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy anakoinwnetai sxedon sto megalo pososto twn ranteboy toy.

ARMENHS: O Makedonikos Agwnas synexizetai, opws eipe xqes o Mhtropoliths Anqimos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalaba;

ARMENHS: O Makedonikos Agwnas synexizetai, opws eipe xqes o Mhtropoliths Anqimos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den akoysa th dhlwsh ayth toy Mhtropolith kai bebaiws den qa th sxoliasw. H kybernhsh exei parei qesh pleistakis kai me aformh thn teleytaia protash toy k. Nimits.

KAKALHS: Se o,ti afora th qesh ths kybernhshs gia to zhthma ths onomasias twn Skopiwn, hqela na pw oti thn perasmenh ebdomada mas parapemcate sth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth DEQ. Sas ypenqymizw oti tote o Prwqypoyrgos, epi lejei, eixe pei to ejhs: H kybernhsh exei poly kaqarh politikh sto sygkekrimeno qema. Kai ean qelete akoma eixe to qarros na proxwrhsei se mia politikh, h opoia exei dhmioyrghsei megalyteres dyskolies sthn allh pleyra, poy shmera einai ypo thn piesh na anagkastei na odhghqei se mia politikh poy qa deixnei thn kalh ths pisth. Ayto eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Mporeite na mas peite giati exei pesei ejw se ayth thn diapistwsh, ektimhsh o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati exei pesei ejw;

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti shmera einai ypo piesh h allh pleyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H protash ekeinh pieze thn allh pleyra na odhghqei se mia energeia, h opoia qa apedeiknye thn kalh ths pisth, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

KAKALHS: Nai, giati allajan ta pragmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H allh pleyra, loipon, den apedexqh ekeinh thn protash. Hrqe mia nea protash apo ton k. Nimits, h opoia aperrifqh apo thn prwth stigmh apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Meta thn teleytaia protash Nimits kai meta tis protaseis toy k. Mperns, ejakoloyqei h kybernhsh na epairetai oti einai strathgikos etairos twn HPA, opws me ikanopoihsh eixate anakoinwsei, meta to tajidi sthn Amerikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai thn eirwneia.

SIDERHS: Den einai eirwneia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mallon antilambanomai thn eirwneia, gia na eimai akribhs. To na einai kapoios strathgikos etairos me polles xwres ston planhth, se mia epoxh opws ayth poy pername shmera, mallon qetiko einai gia mia xwra kai oxi arnhtiko. Makari ta pragmata na bohqoysan, wste na htan polles xwres metajy toys strathgikoi etairoi, giati polla problhmata qa eixan lyqei poly pio eykola.

BLAXOS: Yparxei ena dhmosieyma shmera sta ``NEA'' gia parembash kai pali twn Amerikanwn sto xwro twn Balkaniwn. To exete diabasei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den to exw dei.

BLAXOS: Yparxei anhsyxia oti pame se mia nea periodo anataraxhs ston balkaniko xwro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy kati tetoio. Den moy prokyptei apo kamia syzhthsh, apo kamia syskech ston kybernhtiko xwro gia nea periodo anataraxhs sta Balkania.

PALAIOLOGOS: H kybernhsh epimenei sthn apoch ths oti exei kleisei h istoria Salagkoydh, paroti ta MME deixnoyn to antiqeto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na me rwthsete kai thn epomenh Deytera kai oses Deyteres qelete. Exw apanthsei, hdh, sto qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Dhladh, den yparxei kan qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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