Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-22

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Aqhna, 22 Septembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos to apogeyma anaxwrei gia to Parisi, opoy ayrio stis 12.45 qa synanthqei me to Gallo Proedro Zak Sirak. Stis 18.00 qa synanthqei me ton Gallo Prwqypoyrgo Nte Bilpen kai amesws meta anaxwrei gia thn Aqhna.

O Genikos Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, anakoinwse oti stis 3 Oktwbrioy, hmera enarjhs twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs, qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Qa hqela na ekfrasw ta baqytata syllyphthria ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sthn oikogeneia toy apobiwsantos Simon Bizental, o opoios exontas epibiwsei apo ta stratopeda sygkentrwshs toy B` Pagkosmioy Polemoy, eixe afierwsei ektote th zwh toy sthn yphresia ths dikaiosynhs kai toy anqrwpismoy. Oi prospaqeies toy na ferei enwpion ths dikaiosynhs toys ypaitioys twn apexqwn egklhmatwn toy Olokaytwmatos, ton exrisan monimo ekproswpo twn qymatwn kai toy prosedwsan apo to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs, to xarakthrismo ``Stratiwths ths dikaiosynhs, ths eleyqerias kai ths eirhnhs''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, askeitai proswpikh politikh edw mesa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

SIDERHS: Ekfrazete ton Prwqypoyrgo ws eiqistai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pali den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.

SIDERHS: Xqes o k. Meimarakhs, eipe oti o k. Karamanlhs den milhse pote gia ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia ths Olympiakhs. Milhsate mono eseis. Ara ekfrazete ton eayto sas edw mesa; Den milaei o Prwqypoyrgos gia kati tetoio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den akoysa ton k. Meimarakh na kanei tetoia dhlwsh. Deyteron, isxyei ayto poy eipame thn perasmenh Deytera.

SIDERHS: Oloi ton akoysame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai o,ti allo sas exw pei gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia.

SIDERHS: Ma de rwthsa ayto an isxyei h oxi. Rwthsa an ekfrazete proswpikes apoceis opws sas katalogise o k. Meimarakhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Thlefwnhsate ston k. Meimarakh na ton rwthsete an exei kanei ayth th dhlwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw taktikh epikoinwnia kai synergasia me ton k. Meimarakh.

BLAXOS: Xqes ton phrate thlefwno kai ton rwthsate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milame kaqhmerina.

BLAXOS: Ti sas eipe; Den sas eipe an thn exei kanei h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas pw.

BLAXOS: Aisqaneste entajei sth qesh sas dhladh; Eiste mia xara meta apo ayth th dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia xara. Den me blepete;

BLAXOS: To qema einai an sas blepei o k. Meimarakhs mia xara. Ayto einai to qema.

SPYRAKH: Einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn eikona poy paroysiazoyn oi ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs toy, na sygkroyontai metajy toys gia zhthmata aixmhs, opws einai h Olympiakh kai apo to anwqen sxolio poy hrqe apo thn pleyra toy k. Mhtsotakh -kai qa to pw komca- gia elleimma politikhs sth diakybernhsh toy topoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gnwrizete thn apanthsh. Oson afora to prwto skelos, qa sas pw oti den yparxoyn dhmosies sygkroyseis ypoyrgwn. Yparxoyn antallages apocewn, oi opoies exoyn ginei se syskeceis twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn teleytaia synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo oloys sas na eiste pio synergasimoi; Ekane tetoia ekklhsh -paraklhsh giati ton teleytaio kairo, opws eipe kai h synadelfos k. Spyrakh, (den akoygetai) an yparxei kati apo to reportaz oti einai ejorgismenos o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den parathreitai elleich synergasias. Gia ta osa synebhsan sto teleytaio Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, exw kanei analytikh enhmerwsh. Yparxei kai sxetikh anakoinwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti den yparxoyn dhmosies sygkroyseis ypoyrgwn. Yparxoyn mh dhmosies sygkroyseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Eipa -kai malista an qymaste synexisa thn apanthsh moy- oti yparxoyn synergasies kat@ idian stis diypoyrgikes epitropes gia to qema ths Olympiakhs, oi opoies exoyn apolyta armoniko apotelesma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei diafwnoyn dhladh, qelete na mas peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Prin kanete thn erwthsh sas, eixa apanthsei hdh s` ayto poy lete.

KAKALHS: Pote h kybernhsh enhmerwse thn Komision kai thn E.E. gia thn proqesh ths na qesei en ekkaqarish tis Olympiakes Aerogrammes kai thn palia Olympiakh Aeroporia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmera, o ypoyrgos Metaforwn o k. Mixalhs Liaphs einai sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs kai qa apanthsei se oles tis erwthseis, oi opoies exoyn eidiko kai idiaitero endiaferon. Egw o,ti exw na sas pw gia thn Olympiakh, sas to exw pei edw kai polles hmeres.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn kybernhtikh apofash, na epitrecei sthn Ekklhsia thn idrysh ekklhsiastikwn sxolwn, mexri twra hjera th syzhthsh poy ginotan, asxetws an symfwnoyse h kybernhsh h oxi, eixe anoijei mia dhmosia syzhthsh gia to diaxwrismo Ekklhsias-Kratoys. Twra blepoyme oti pame sthn entelws antiqeth kateyqynsh. Mallon pros iranopoihsh fainetai oti pame.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw se poia iranopoihsh anafereste. Qa qelate na ginete pio safhs;

TSIODRAS: Sth dynatothta ths Ekklhsias na exei tis dikes ths ekklhsiastikes sxoles, th stigmh poy yparxoyn Anwtates Qeologikes Sxoles kai sth dynatothta toy Mhtropolith na dinei pistopoihtiko nomimothtas gia na mpei kapoios sth sxolh kai thn iera ejetash poy prepei na pernaei kapoios, prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn ta qrhskeytika toy fronhmata gia na mpei sth sygkekrimenh sxolh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw na sas pw ta ejhs: Prwton, se ola ta erwthmata, exei apanthsei apo exqes h ypoyrgos Paideias k. Marietta Giannakoy. Deyteron, ayth h fraseologia poy xrhsimopoieite den yparxei oyte sto nomosxedio oyte bebaiws antapokrinetai kai sthn oysia. Triton, se o,ti afora to pistopoihtiko, opws to anaferate -to eggrafo dhladh- einai ena zhthma to opoio qa gnwrizete fantazomai oti isxyei kai shmera kai isxyei epi polla xronia. Kai tetarton, qa hqela na sas pw@

TSIODRAS: Poy isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei stis idies sxoles. An den to gnwrizete, diabaste to, isxyei. Kai tetarton, oi sxoles aytes epopteyontai gia to ekpaideytiko toys ergo apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias -opws eipe kai h k. Giannakoy xqes- kai kata ta protypa twn stratiwtikwn sxolwn. Oi sxoles aytes anaptyssontai, anabaqmizontai. Den yparxei loipon kanenos eidoys diaforopoihsh se sxesh me to ti symbainei se alles sxoles apo thn anabaqmish toys, gia na exoyn to kalytero dynato apotelesma.

TSIODRAS: Qa mas peite, se poia allh dhmokratikh xwra toy kosmoy yparxei; Den ennow to Iran. Yparxoyn sxoles, oi opoies elegxontai apo thn Ekklhsia, prokeimenoy na bgazete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qa pei na elegxontai; Den katalabainw.

TSIODRAS: Ma, einai sxoles ths Ekklhsias. Etsi den einai; Yparxoyn oi qeologikes sxoles mexri shmera, poy didaskontai qrhskeytika, qeologia k.lp.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na sas diabasw ta osa eipwqhkan xqes; Einai para polla.

POYLIDOY: Mia erwthsh, se synexeia ayths toy k. Tsiodra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na apanthqei h erwthsh sas apo ayta poy qa sas diabasw.

POYLIDOY: Den qa apanthqei. Ean einai symbato ayto me ta krithria ths Kopegxaghs, dioti ayta bazoyme apenanti stis antistoixes (den akoygetai)@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti exei ginei h katallhlh proergasia apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, wste na einai symbato. To nomosxedio afora to synolo ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsiastikhs Ekpaideyshs sthn Ellada kai telei ypo thn epopteia toy kratoys. Sas diabazw to deltioy Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias: To systhma anabaqmizei me poiotika krithria tis tesseris yparxoyses ekklhsiastikes Sxoles, dhladh twn Aqhnwn, ths Qessalonikhs, ths Ieras Monhs Bella Iwanninwn kai ths Krhths, tis opoies onomazei ``Anwtates Ekklhsiastikes Akadhmies''. Den dhmioyrgoyntai panepisthmia, alla paragwgikes sxoles ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsias sth Ellada, idioy xarakthra me tis paragwgikes sxoles twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Oi foithtes eisagontai me panellhnies ejetaseis. Meta de thn apofoithsh toys, qa apasxolhqoyn mono se yphresies ths Ekklhsias. Den qa exoyn epaggelmatika dikaiwmata sthn ekpaideysh h opoydhpote alloy. Ayto shmainei oti isxyropoieitai kai anabaqmizetai h Qeologikh Sxolh. H systatikh epistolh apo Mhtropolith problepetai kai shmera kai epi polla xronia gia tis Anwteres Ekklhsiastikes Sxoles. Synepws, sto skelos ayto den allazei tipota. Organwnetai kai leitoyrgei programma ieratikwn spoydwn. Ta ypoloipa programmata spoydwn gia toys alloys tomeis, dhladh dioikhshs kai organwshs ekklhsiastikwn idrymatwn, palaiografias, dioikhtikhs yposthrijhs ierwn Mhtropolewn k.t.l., katonomazontai ep` akribws kai den yparxoyn sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata sthn Ellada. Epishs, sto Anwtato Episthmoniko Symboylio orizontai tessera melh apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, dyo melh apo th Diarkh Iera Synodo, ena melos apo thn Ekklhsia ths Krhths. Sas parapempw sth xqesinh anakoinwsh ths armodias ypoyrgoy k. Giannakoy gia to ti proeblepe to nomosxedio poy afhse pisw toy to PASOK: Ws Proedro se aytoy toy eidoys tis sxoles eixe problecei -kai eixe symfwnhqei me thn Ekklhsia apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh- na einai o Arxiepiskopos Aqhnwn, kati to opoio den isxyei me to nomosxedio poy kataqetei h Nea Dhmokratia. As prosexoyn, loipon, osoi kanoyn kritikh, gia to poy kai an gyrizei ayto to nomosxedio pisw ton topo. Oson afora to kostos, sthn anakoinwsh anaferetai exei mia seira apo ta posa poy xrhsimopoioyntai kai qa xrhsimopoihqoyn. Mporw na sas dwsw ta sxetika stoixeia, meta thn politikh enhmerwsh. Prokeitai gia anagkaia poiotikh anabaqmish kai eksygxronismo twn Anwterwn Ekklhsiastikwn Sxolwn. Oi de apofoitoi twn Qeologikwn Sxolwn twn Panepisthmiwn, diathroyn to dikaiwma toys na katalambanoyn qeseis sthn Ekklhsia. Aytoi qa apotelesoyn, kata kyrio logo, to episthmoniko proswpiko twn Akadhmiwn. Ta epaggelmatika dikaiwmata twn Qeologwn sthn ekpaideysh katoxyrwnontai akomh perissotero, afoy oi apofoitoi twn Akadhmiwn apokleiontai apo thn katalhch opoiasdhpote qeshs ektos ths Ekklhsias. Ayta einai ta kyriotera shmeia toy nomosxedioy. Exw sth diaqesh moy kai th xqesinh synenteyjh ths k. Giannakoy kai bebaiws to nomosxedio, ean qelete na to melethsete. Sas ypenqymizw oti oi apofoitoi aytwn twn sxolwn qa apotelesoyn kyriws to mellontiko klhro. Qa ginoyn iereis.

TSIODRAS: Eipate oti isxyan ta pistopoihtika. Den to gnwrizw. Profanws exete dikio. Isxyan. Omws, mhpws qa eprepe, anti na ginoyn ws aparaithto systatiko gia tis kainoyrgies sxoles, na katarghqoyn; Gia poio logo o Mhtropoliths me bash pistopoihtiko, qa krinei poios threi@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kamia antirrhsh na syzhthsoyme gia osh wra qelete to qema. Wstoso, qa hqela na sas pw oti synadelfoi sas apo xqes exoyn kanei aytes akribws tis erwthseis sthn ypoyrgo Paideias, h opoia exei apanthsei se oles. An qelete na moy kanete tis idies erwthseis kai na sas apantw akribws, opws apanthqhkan kai xqes -giati einai safeis oi apanthseis ths k. Giannakoy- den exw kamia antirrhsh na to kanw.

SIDERHS: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, se dikh moy erwthsh, eixate pei oti den qa yparjei anwtatopoihsh. Ti allaje kai yphrje ayth h anakoloyqh palindromhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai kati tetoio.

SIDERHS: To qymamai, giati sas eixa rwthsei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa to koitajw. Den qymamai. Prepei na dw th diatypwsh ths erwthsh sas kai ti eixa apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Mhpws k. Ekproswpe joflate grammatia pros th ``Dejia toy Kyrioy'' h mhpws elpizete se mellontikh bohqeia poy qa sas prosdwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poy to sthrizete ayto;

SIDERHS: Rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: H alhqeia einai oti exete taxqei kata toy diaxwrismoy kratoys-Ekklhsias, alla apo th qesh ayth mexri th qesh toy na emfanizetai h kybernhsh na ikanopoiei pagia aithmata ths Ierarxias, h apostash einai megalh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan h kybernhsh ikanopoiei pagia aithmata twn ergazomenwn, qa mas peite ``mprabo'' h oxi;

KAKALHS: Peste mas ena gia na sas poyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ta pagia aithmata kapoiwn omadwn, otan ikanopoioyntai, einai qetika mono ean einai kapoiwn sygkekrimenwn omadwn kai arnhtika ean einai allwn; Diaxwrizoyme tis omades se mia dhmokratia; Diaxwrizoyme, dhladh, polyariqmes omades anqrwpwn; Sas epanalambanw oti einai sxoles apo tis opoies qa bgainoyn klhrikoi, qa ginontai papades, iereis, kata kyrio logo. Osoi qa apofoitoyn apo aytes tis sxoles qa apasxoloyntai stis yphresies twn Ekklhsiwn. Ara, loipon, kapoia apo ta erwthmata poy exoyn apanthqei apo xqes, aytonohtws apantwntai. Bebaiws, gia kapoion poy epiqymei na einai ypochfios iereas sthn Orqodojh Ekklhsia, qa prepei na gnwrizei h Orqodojh Ekklhsia oti einai kai orqodojos kai den anhkei se allo qrhskeyma. H pistopoihsh ayth, loipon, ginetai apo ton Mhtropolith poy qa epilejei o ypochfios gia na toy dwsei to pistopoihtiko.

PEPONHS: Mexri twra, aytes oi sxoles htan mesa stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias. Ekei epairnan kai ayta ta pistopoihtika poy lete. Twra, tis entassetai sto Panellhnio Ekpaideytiko Systhma. To erwthma moy einai, yparxoyn kai alloi Ellhnes polites poy pisteyoyn se alla dogmata kai se alles qrhskeies. Sas qymizw oti sth Boylh oi moysoylmanoi boyleytes orkizontai sto Korani. Ean aytes oi omades zhthsoyn th dhmioyrgia tetoiwn antistoixwn sxolwn panepisthmiakoy epipedoy, opws einai oi moysoylmanoi h oi kaqolikoi, h kybernhsh qa egkrinei thn idrysh tetoiwn sxolwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai sxoles gia na foitoyn kai na exoyn kalytero pneymatiko epipedo oi ierwmenoi, oi anqrwpoi poy epiqymoyn na ginoyn iereis. Ayto poy lete, apantatai edw kai dekaeties sthn Ellada. Exoyme, hdh, sth xwra mas Qeologikh Sxolh, sthn opoia mporei na spoydasei kapoios kai na maqei ola ta dogmata. Ara, loipon, den antilambanomai th diaforopoihsh me to erwthma poy kanate. Edw, milame gia sxoles apo tis opoies, kata kyrio logo, oi apofoitoi qa einai ierwmenoi. Kai osoi alloi den qa einai ierwmenoi, qa apasxolhqoyn entos toy Organismoy ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas. To ekpaideytiko toys epipedo, loipon -opws symbainei sta dhmosia, sta idiwtika sxoleia h opoydhpote- orizetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai qa synexizei na orizetai apo ayto.

PEPONHS: Kai oi Moysoylmanoi mporei na zhthsoyn mia sxolh panepisthmiakoy epipedoy gia na bgazoyn imamhdes. Qa thn egkrinete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me to ``ean'', den qa sas apanthsw. Ean zhthsoyn, qa kriqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai ta synarmodia Ypoyrgeia gia to an prepei na ginei ayto. Exoyme, hdh, tesseris sxoles stis opoies anabaqmizontai oi spoydes. Oi apofoitoi twn sxolwn aytwn qa exoyn mia poly isxyroterh gnwsh apo ayth poy eixan, proorizomenoi de, kata kyrio logo, gia ton klhro.

SPYRAKH: Qelw thn apoch sas, ean h Ellada dinei thn eikona anejiqrhskhs xwras, otan pro kairoy eixe dhmioyrghqei mia terastia syzhthsh gyrw apo to an qa prepei h oxi na yparxei tzami sthn Aqhna. Twra, dhmioyrgoyntai sxoles paragwghs ierwmenwn me kateyqynsh thn Orqodojh Ekklhsia kai aytes anaparagontai. Sthn Ellada katoikoyn Ellhnes polites me diaforetiko qrhskeyma. H eikona poy dinei h xwra pros ta ejw, alla kai sto eswteriko ths, qewreite oti me aytes tis energeies einai h eikona oti ola ta dogmata kai oles oi qrhskeies antimetwpizontai akribws me ton idio tropo apo thn ellhnikh Politeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Meta apo polles apanthseis poy edwsa, den blepw to logo -isws na einai lapsus lingue- na xrhsimopoieite to ``twra dhmioyrgoyntai aytes oi sxoles''. Milame gia sxoles poy yparxoyn edw kai dekaeties. Ara, loipon, den dhmioyrgoyntai twra. To na anabaqmizeis, prwton, ena ekpaideytiko Idryma, einai mallon pros thn kateyqynsh toy politismoy, ths dhmokratias, ths kalyterhs enhmerwshs, ths plhroforhshs, ths anabaqmishs toy episthmonikoy kyroys. Prokeitai gia anabaqmish toy epaggelmatikoy kyroys kai oxi pros thn antiqeth kateyqynsh, opws anaferate eseis prohgoymenws. Deyteron, den yparxei zhthma apagoreyshs ths anejiqrhskias. Alimono! Opoios qelei, pisteyei opoy qelei. Triton -kai ejisoy shmantiko qa moy epitrecete na pw- para polles antistoixes sxoles yparxoyn ana ton kosmo stoys kolpoys ths Kaqolikhs Ekklhsias. Antistoixes sxoles yparxoyn stoys kolpoys allwn dogmatwn, allwn Ekklhsiwn. Den antilambanomai, loipon, giati aifnhs dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti kati anaxronistiko symbainei, otan anabaqmizoyme ena ekpaideytiko systhma. Den qeloyme toys ierwmenoys, toys papades, toys iereis, na exoyn pio anabaqmismeno epipedo spoydwn;

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh, thn O.A. den thn anabaqmisate, thn eixate anaxronistikh, problhmatikh kai mphkate sth diadikasia ekkaqarishs h kleisimatos. Pws lete oti otan blepete enan qesmo, o opoios leitoyrgei, epi xronia, einai ypoxrewtiko na ton anabaqmisete; Yparxei kai h epilogh na ton kleisete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti lete. Na apagoreysoyme stis sxoles na didaskoyn;

POYLIDOY: Kai egw den antilambanomai ayto poy lete. Den einai ypoxrewtikh epilogh na thn anabaqmisete. Yparxoyn polles epiloges.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti exoyme diaforetikh proseggish sto ti shmainei dhmokratia. Dhmokratia shmainei oti epitrepoyme na didasketai sta panepisthmia o,ti h kaqe episthmh didaskei. Alimono ean kleisoyme sxoles. To antiqeto qa perimena na moy peite. Ean kleiname kapoia sxolh qa perimena na akoysw kritikh.

SOYGLERHS: Ean katalabainw kala milate gia aneparkeia, gia eksygxronismo. Poy akribws einai h dikleida ayths ths prwtoboylias poy phre to ypoyrgeio na kanei aytes tis allages;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite ``aneparkeia''. Sas milw gia anabaqmish ths parexomenhs ekpaideyshs. Opoy, loipon, yparxei anabaqmish ths parexomenhs ekpaideyshs, mallon epi ta beltiw einai gia th xwra, ton politismo, th dhmokratia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Qewreite oti mexri shmera h politikh ths kybernhshs ston tomea ths oikonomias kai twn metarryqmisewn einai eparkhs h h kybernhsh qewrei oti prepei na kanei kai alla bhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h erwthsh exei teqei, polles fores, me allon tropo. Thn exw apanthsei me ton idio panta tropo: O exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero kai h prospaqeia -eidika sthn katastash ths oikonomia poy paralabame- einai synexhs. Kai qa einai synexhs.

KAKALHS: Den arkei sthn kybernhsh oti qa parakoloyqoyntai oles oi thlefwnikes syndialejeis kai h epikoinwnia mesw toy diadiktyoy, opws apofasise xqes h Komision, qelei na parakoloyqei me tis kameres kai tis diadhlwseis kai tis politikes sygkentrwseis; Mporeite na mas peite poios einai o logos poy o k. Boylgarakhs prosfeygei sto StE gia na parakoloyqoyntai oi diadhlwseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Kai bebaiws o tropos ekforas ths erwthshs -den thn krinw thn erwthsh kai kamia fora epitrecete moy na anaferomai sta osa lete, giati bohqa ton kalytero dialogo- yponoei kati. H kybernhsh ofeilei na prostateysei. Ofeilei na leitoyrghsei sto plaisio twn nomwn. Sto plaisio twn nomwn prosefyge to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Den paranomhse. Otan enas poliths exei to dikaiwma na prosfygei sto Anwtato Dikasthrio, giati ayto to dikaiwma prepei na afaireqei apo ena ypoyrgeio; Oson afora to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos sas: Einai zhthmata ta opoia -ean qymaste- ta exoyme janasyzhthsei. Zhthmata poy aforoyn synedriaseis Symboyliwn sthn E.E. Toylaxiston dyo Symboylia exoyn ginei toys teleytaioys eji mhnes. Ekei h kybernhsh eixe ekfrasei epifylajeis. Sas qymizw oti den katelhje sto pro ejamhnoy symboylio, poy eixan metasxei o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, para sthn eishghsh na asxolhqei h Komision me to qema. H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph se synergasia me to Eyrwkoinoboylio proxwra se seira protasewn. Aytes oi protaseis -den syzhthqhkan prosfata sto Nioykastl, epishs, sth synanthsh twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn- qa syzhthqoyn sto epomeno Symboylio. Emeis exoyme ekfrasei epifylajeis. Sas qymizw oti eimaste h monh h mia apo tis dyo xwres poy exoyn ekfrasei epifylajeis gia kapoies apo tis protaseis poy akoysthkan. H anagkh na antimetwpistoyn zhthmata tromokratias einai pagkosmia. Wstoso, opws eipan kai o k. Boylgarakhs kai o k. Papalhgoyras, qa prepei na ejetasoyme me diaforetiko prisma kaqe xwra analoga me toys nomoys, to Syntagma, tis epitropes prostasias anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, tis anejarthtes arxes Ayth h syzhthsh den exei katalhjei, synexizetai. Meta thn Komision qa ginei jana syzhthsh sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn.

KAKALHS: Parola ayta den katalabainw arage giati (gia logoys katapolemhshs ths tromokratias;) qa prepei na parakoloyqoyntai oi diadhlwseis me kameres; Yponoeite oti mesa ekei yparxoyn tromokrates h egklhmatika, kakopoia stoixeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn logoi dhmosias asfaleias, logoi diaxeirishs ths kykloforias. To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei epikalestei mia seira apo logoys, oi opoioi einai entos toy plaisioy toy nomoy.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas mia epistolh, apo to 2004 ean den kanw laqos, toy prwhn G.G. toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn pros ton armodio Epitropo gia thn proqesh ths kybernhshs gia to mellon ths O.A. Symfwna me ayth thn epistolh yphrxe ena sxedio na teqei ypo ekkaqarish h etaireia afoy prwta proxwrhsei h diadikasia idiwtikopoihshs kai kapoia parallhlh prospaqeia na poylhqoyn kapoia kommatia ths O.A. Ayto to sxedio, ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, eseis pws to krinete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eida ki egw thn apokalych poy ekane o synadelfos sas, o k. Xatzhnikolaoy. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti anadeiknyei ayto to eggrafo thn ypokrisia toy PASOK. O ekproswpos toy PASOK epanalambanei diarkws ceydh gia thn kybernhsh. Ofeiloyn kai o ekproswpos kai o arxhgos toy PASOK na apanthsoyn pws einai dynaton na kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh, h opoia dia toy ekproswpoy ths apo ayto to bhma, thn perasmenh Deytera, milhse gia aorata senaria, apo to prwto ews to teleytaio. Ofeilei, loipon, na apanthsei to PASOK pws einai dynaton na eixe hdh proteinei to teleytaio senario, prin kan proxwrhsei sta prwta bhmata ths idiwtikopoihshs kai shmera erxetai na kanei ton timhth. Einai ekqeto to PASOK meta apo ayth thn apokalych.

BLAXOS: Mhpws protiqeste na apanthsete kai sto erwthma, to opoio opws exw katalabei kaqe hmera sta apeyqynei o ekproswpos toy PASOK o k. Aqanasakhs gia ton k. Papagewrgioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei dyo fores se dikh sas erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Epeidh plhroforhqhka apo synadelfo poy kanei reportaz toy PASOK oti kai xqes o k. Aqanasakhs epemeine.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristws na epanalabw oxi ayta poy eipa se esas, alla ayta poy eipa xqes me aformh genikotera qemata. Epanalambanw kai shmera me kathgorhmatiko tropo: Den einai oyte prosklhsh, oyte paraklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai entolh. Opoio stelexos ths kybernhshs h toy eyryteroy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos exei thn opoiadhpote yponoia gia kakodiaxeirish, na prosfeygei sth dikaiosynh. Opoios den to kanei, leei aplws logia toy aera.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete pws enamish xrono meta tis ekloges h kybernhsh den exei poio prwtotypes idees apo aytes toy k. Berelh kai akoloyqei akribws idia politikh me thn politikh poy eixe proteinei kai o Berelhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti adikeite tis syzhthseis poy exoyme kanei. Exw janapei kai dhmosiws kai stis syzhthseis poy kaname, oti aneptyja ta senaria ta opoia qa prepei na exei kaneis ypoch toy otan jekina mia diadikasia. Ean kapoioi estiasan sto A` h sto B` senario ayto einai diko toys qema. H kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh, milhse gia ola ta endexomena.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate opoio melos ths kybernhshs h allo stelexos na phgainei sth dikaiosynh. Aytoi oi syndikalistes apo thn Patra esteilan to qema sth dikaiosynh, alla xqes toys diagracate gia ena xrono, eji mhnes k.l.p. H ypoqesh einai ston eisaggelea. Einai anwtero to peiqarxiko ths N.D. apo th dikaiosynh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanate dyo laqh sthn erwthsh sas, pisteyw kaloproaireta h apo agnoia ths leitoyrgias orismenwn organwsewn. Se o,ti afora to ``toys diagracate'' poy eipate, h kybernhsh den diegrace kanenan, oyte h N.D. diegrace kanenan. To deytero afora sto ``komma''. Oyte to komma diegrace kapoion. Yparxei syndikalistikh organwsh, h opoia leitoyrgei me toys dikoys ths kanones kai ayth h syndikalistikh organwsh apofasise. Opote, de, moy apeyqynate erwthseis gia qemata poy aforoyn syndikalistikh organwsh, eite gia th DAKE, eite gia opoiadhpote allh, h pagia apanthsh moy einai oti h syndikalistikh organwsh exei toys dikoys ths kanones leitoyrgias, exei ton tropo na ekfrazetai. Parakalw na apeyqynete thn erwthsh sas ekei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, anwterh apo eisaggelea kai apo th dikaiosynh einai h DAKE twra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti sxesh exei ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na toys diagrafei. Proswrinh diagrafh gia ena xrono.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epimenete na rwtate ton ekproswpo ths kybernhshs gia ena qema poy afora mia syndikalistikh organwsh. H kybernhsh, opws ofeile, eipe kai epanelabe kati poly sygkekrimeno. Mhn to epanalabw gia trith fora, nomizw oti egine katanohto.

BLAXOS: Otan prohgoymenws eipate gia ``logia toy aera'' opoios den paei sto eisaggelea, profanws fwtografisate ton k. Papagewrgioy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa ti isxyei genikws kai to aneptyja.

BLAXOS: To katalaba.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, genikws kai oxi aoristws, ti isxyei. Genikws kai eidikws. H genikh kai pagia entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai ayth, poy sas eipa. Perilambanei oloys osoi metexoyn sto kybernhtiko h sto eyrytero kybernhtiko sxhma.

BLAXOS: Na symperanw, loipon, oti h qesh toy k. Papagewrgioy einai sto aera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo.

BLAXOS: Otan kapoios leei ``logia toy aera''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai san na pianeste apo thn erwthsh toy k. Stamatopoyloy kai na prospaqeite na dwsete synexeia me diaforetiko tropo. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe kati poly sygkekrimeno: Opoios exei opoiodhpote stoixeio ofeilei na paei sth dikaiosynh kai na to kataqesei.

SPYRAKH: Qelw mia apanthsh se ayto poy leei to PASOK se sxesh me thn apokalych poy egine xqes apo ton ALPHA. Sto eggrafo poy paroysiase o k. Xatzhnikolaoy emfanizetai h tote kybernhsh na leei stis yphresies ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs oti meta thn idiwtikopoihsh twn Olympiakwn Aerogrammwn, qa proxwrhsei sthn ekkaqarish ths O.A. Pisteyete oti ayth h diatypwsh einai diaforetikh apo thn diatypwsh ths ekkaqarishs en leitoyrgia, thn opoia ekane epishmws h kybernhsh, apo esas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na janadiabasete th dikh moy dhlwsh prosektika kai nomizw oti qa sas dwsei apanthsh. Se kaqe periptwsh ekeino to opoio egw anadeiknyw shmera einai h diglwssia toy PASOK. Oxi gia prwth fora bebaia, mas exei synhqisei.

MPOTSARAKOS: Eipate oti einai logia toy aera, ean kapoios exei stoixeia kai den ta phgainei sto eisaggelea, aplws ta leei, einai logia toy aera. Oloi jeroyme, ki eseis gnwrizete, oti o k. Papagewrgioy se kapoia efhmerida, prin liges hmeres, afhse sygkekrimenoys ypainigmoys. Leei, loipon, logia toy aera afoy den exei paei stoixeia sto eisaggelea. Kai pws ginetai na paramenei sto eyrytero kybernhtiko sxhma, sthn krisimh qesh ths O.A. paroti den exei paei ta stoixeia ston eisaggelea h den exei anakalesei toys ypainigmoys poy ekane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa janapw, loipon, ayto poy eipa kai ston k. Blaxo: Epi toy sygkekrimenoy apanthsa dyo fores. Exw dwsei kai ermhneia. Parakalw diabaste ayto poy sas exw pei kai qa deite oti den qa xreiazotan na ypoballate thn erwthsh sas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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