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Aqhna, 12 Ioylioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio twn episkecewn toy sta Ypoyrgeia, episkefqhke shmera, stis 9.30 to prwi, to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn. Exoyn ginei sxetikes dhlwseis. Sth synexeia, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke sto Megaro Majimoy me ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs k. G. Boylgarakh, o opoios, meta to peras ths synanthshs, proebh se dhlwseis. Katopin, synanthqhke me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs A. Papalhgoyra. Ayth thn wra synantatai me ton Grammatea ths kybernhshs k. Karra.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Exoyme kapoies dhlwseis toy Eyrwpaioy Epitropoy, k. Almoynia opoy afhnei anoixto to endexomeno na lhfqoyn prosqeta oikonomika metra ton Oktwbrio, sto baqmo poy h ellhnikh oikonomia den exei antapokriqei stis prodiagrafes poy exei qesei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Afhnetai, epishs, anoixto kai apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh, se dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei, to na labei h kybernhsh kapoia prosqeta metra ton Oktwbrio. Rwtw an hdh exei arxisei h kybernhsh na to ejetazei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai safes oti h kybernhsh, me ta metra poy exei labei, prospaqei na jeperasei ta problhmata, kyriws twn elleimmatwn poy dhmioyrghqhkan epi seira etwn -kai toys logoys toys gnwrizete, toys exoyme analysei- ews to telos toy 2006. Den exw na sas pw tipote perissotero.

POYLIDOY: Sto qema poy ejetazete shmera -an gnwrizw kala- gia thn parakoloyqhsh twn kinhtwn thlefwnhmatwn sth diarkeia toy etoys, pros enhmerwsh mias kentrikhs trapezas dedomenwn, h ellhnikh kybernhsh ti qesh pairnei panw s` ayth thn protash;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se tetoia qemata prepei na throyntai oi arxes poy perilambanontai sto Syntagma mas. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei panta h anejarthth Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn poy lambanei gnwsh gia ta pio apla pragmata ews kai ta pio synqeta kai einai ayth poy apofasizei.

POYLIDOY: Ara, qa zhthsete gnwmodothsh ths Arxhs Prostasias Dedomenwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na gnwrizw ti qa ginei, oson afora stis leptomereies toy qematos poy anaferate. Kanw mia poly genikh topoqethsh.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, opws gnwrizete, to synolo toy politikoy kosmoy shmera, brisketai sthn idia ayth qesh ta teleytaia xronia. Exoyme loipon mia apotyxia ths prospaqeias gia thn ejygiansh ths oikonomias kai ayth th stigmh h kybernhsh xwris na exei synomilhtes apenanti ths proxwra se lhch metrwn se ergasiaka qemata poy oysiastika plhttoyn toys idioys toys ergazomenoys. Erwtw: Qa proxwrhsei s` ayth thn efarmogh twn metrwn estw ki an einai monh ths h kybernhsh h qa to janaskefqei, qa janakaqisei me toys koinwnikoys etairoys kai an brei kai ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh gia na broyne kapoia diaforetika metra wste na mhn plhgoyn oi ergazomenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto prwto shmeio ths erwthshs sas, einai alhqeia oti epi polla xronia den eginan kinhseis oi opoies qa ejygiainan thn oikonomia. Sto deytero shmeio, sas apantw oti h kybernhsh me safhneia exei proxwrhsei se mia seira diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Tis exei anakoinwsei, exei syzhthsei me toys koinwnikoys foreis kai qa proxwrhsei.

BLAXOS: Estw kai xwris thn egkrish toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa proxwrhsei.

BLAXOS: Xwris thn egkrish toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa proxwrhsei giati einai gia to kalo toy topoy, gia to kalo ths oikonomias, gia to kalo twn ergazomenwn, gia to kalo twn newn qesewn ergasias. Oi diarqrwtikes allages prepei na proxwrhsoyn, opws proxwrhsan edw kai polla xronia se alles eyrwpaikes xwres tis opoies blepoyme na trexoyn mprosta ki emeis na paramenoyme stasimoi.

BLAXOS: Mhpws mporeite na moy peite to onoma aytoy poy krinei oti einai pros to kalo olwn aytwn poy eipate; Poios einai aytos poy krinei oti einai pros to kalo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai o ellhnikos laos o opoios ejeleje ayth thn kybernhsh, h opoia eixe milhsei me safhneia sto programma ths gia diarqrwtikes allages. Tis allages, dhladh, poy ginontai twra.

BLAXOS: Aoristws eixe milhsei gia diarqrwtikes allages. Den eixe ejeidikeysei tis diarqrwtikes allages.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos tote, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, poly sygkekrimena kai malista se synenteyjeis poy eixe thn eykairia na dwsei kai sto meso sto opoio ergazeste, eixe erwthqei kai eixe milhsei gia sygkekrimenes diarqrwtikes allages.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, mias kai anafereste se proeklogikes desmeyseis, den eixe anaferei poyqena thn katarghsh toy oktawroy. Aisqanetai shmera yperhfanos oti ena apo ta prwta epiteygmata ths kybernhshs toy einai h katarghsh toy oktawroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai thn idiotyph proseggish sas, h opoia omws den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den yparxei katarghsh toy oktawroy. Poios katargei to oktawro; Yparxei dieyqethsh toy xronoy ergasias. Qa sas to pw me ena paradeigma, dioti epanalambanw oti milame gia diarqrwtikes allages poy eginan kai malista se megalytero baqmo se alles eyrwpaikes xwres tis opoies blepoyme shmera na proxwroyn mprosta, enw h dikh mas oikonomia, oxi aplws menei stasimh, alla phgainei pros ta pisw: Mia toyristikh epixeirhsh ergazetai ena sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma mesa sto xrono, dioti toyrismos den einai dwdeka mhnes. To na ginetai synennohsh kai na dieyqeteitai to wrario etsi wste tesseris mhnes toy kalokairioy prepei na ergazontai oi epixeirhseis dyo wres epipleon thn hmera kai to xeimwna dyo wres ligoteres, ayto einai gia to kalo oxi mono toy topoy -giati exei toyrismo kai toyristiko synallagma- alla kai gia to kalo ths epixeirhshs kai twn ergazomenwn. O ergazomenos se ygih epixeirhsh, den exei kanena fobo gia to mellon toy. Einai gia to kalo twn anqrwpwn poy den exoyn doyleies. Dhmioyrgoyntai nees qeseis ergasias. Aytes oi diarqrwtikes allages -kai qa moy epitrecete na ginw koyrastikos, to epanalambanw gia trith fora- einai allages poy eginan edw kai polla xronia se polles eyrwpaikes xwres. Epiteloys prepei na symbei kai sthn Ellada kati, an qeloyme na proxwrhsei h oikonomia, an qeloyme pragmatika oi ergazomenoi na exoyn ena asfales mellon, ena asfales ayrio.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti den yparxei katarghsh toy oktawroy alla wstoso to dieyqyntiko dikaiwma gia na kaqorizei o ergodoths na apasxoleitai o ergazomenos mexri kai 10-12 wres -den jerw poy qa katalhjei telika- ti einai; Den einai ayto katarghsh toy oktawroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dinete mia ayqaireth, dikh sas ermhneia. Kat` arxas, sas qymizw oti den exei oloklhrwqei akomh o dialogos poy ginetai kai den exei katateqei h sxetikh tropologia h h nomoqetikh ryqmish poy xreiazetai. Kata synepeia as mhn speydoyme na milhsoyme.

SIDERHS: Ti dialogos einai aytos, kyrie Ekproswpe -qa moy epitrecete- ejpres; Eixame kanei mia koybenta ton Febroyario kai twra egine mia karikatoyra dialogoy. Stis alles eyrwpaikes xwres poy anafereste krathse mhnes kai gia to asfalistiko, xronia o dialogos. Edw, einai anakoinwsh. Anakoinwsan tis apofaseis toys oi Ypoyrgoi. Poios dialogos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti eseis me ``kathgorhsate'' rwtwntas pws einai dynaton oi trapezes gia to asfalistiko na gnwrizan kati apo prin, klp. Kai sas apanthsa oti apo to perasmeno fqinopwro eixame arxisei tis syzhthseis. Ara, ayto poy lete twra den stekei, se sxesh me thn erwthsh poy moy kanate prin apo deka hmeres. @H eixame arxisei syzhthseis epi oktw -ennea mhnes gia to Asfalistiko sto opoio anaferqhkate h egine jafnika se dialogo ejpres. Se kaqe periptwsh, h kybernhsh syzhta me toys koinwnikoys foreis. H syzhthsh odhgeitai se ena a@ h b@ apotelesma. Ayto to krinei o kaqenas apo toys emplekomenoys foreis kai proxwra stis diarqrwtikes allages.

SIDERHS: An den htan prosxhmatikos o dialogos qa eixe hdh etoimh thn tropologia h th ryqmish o k. Panagiwtopoylos na thn kataqesei endexomenws kai entos ths ebdomadas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pali qa sas pw, oti me ``kathgorhsate'' thn perasmenh ebdomada. Giati lete ``gia to petrelaio apo th stigmh poy den exete etoimo to sxedio gia to petrelaio''; H, loipon, prepei na isxyei to a@ h to b@. Apofasiste. Egw den exw antirrhsh na sas apantw, eite sthn a@ kateyqynsh, eite sth b@ kateyqynsh. Den mporei omws apo th mia na moy lete den exete sxedio kai apo thn allh otan yparxei sxedio na me kathgoreite giati exoyme sxedio.

SIDERHS: Exete adiko giati to petrelaio einai mia dioikhtikh apofash. Edw einai ergasiakes qeseis kai emplekontai koinwnikoi etairoi kai afora toys koinwnikoys etairoys, toys ergazomenoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H opoia, omws, afora ekatommyria Ellhnwn kai poly perissotero apo toys etairoys stoys opoioys anafereste.

TSIODRAS: Giati tote m` ayta ta opoia lete den exei peistei h DAKE h opoia antidra epishs stis ergasiakes sxeseis; Afoy einai pros to kalo ths oikonomias, oi Eyrwpaikes xwres exoyn proxwrhsei klp, oi syndikalistes ths Neas Dhmokratias giati den exoyn peistei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw giati me thn erwthsh sas, moy dinete gia mia akomh fora thn eykairia na pw: To syndikalistiko kinhma kata thn kybernhsh kai kata th Nea Dhmokratia genikotera, einai akhdemoneyto en antiqesei me alla kommata ta opoia apeiloysan ews kai apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs me apergies, dhladh khdemoneyontas to syndikalistiko kinhma.

TSIODRAS: Oxi, egw lew giati den exei peistei apo thn epixeirhmatologia afoy exei anaptyxqei hdh apo thn proeklogikh periodo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

SPYRAKH: Afoy to syndikalistiko kinhma einai akhdemoneyto, tote giati ginontai taktikes synanthseis anamesa ston k. Meimarakh kai ston k. Poypakh me stoxo ayth th synennohsh gia to ergasiako, gia th dieyqethsh toy xronoy ergasias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai arnhtiko na prospaqei na synennohqei ena komma me to syndikalistiko kinhma; To antiqeto: Einai mallon qetiko apo ta osa akoysa prohgoymenws.

BLAXOS: Sas akoyw na koptesqe gia thn anagkh na breqoyn nees qeseis ergasias@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na allajw to rhma: Na yposthrizw thn anagkh, opws thn yposthrizei olh h kybernhsh.

BLAXOS: Malista. Ferete ws paradeigma thn allagh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn kai kyriws to wrario ergasias. Egw den mporw na katalabw pws mia kybernhsh jafnika meta apo tosoys mhnes poy einai sthn ejoysia exei ayth thn agwnia gia ejeyresh newn qesewn ergasias, otan oloys aytoys toys mhnes den exei labei kanena metro gia na ginei estw kai mia ependysh se ayth th xwra. Den exei ginei oyte mia ependysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mplekete diaforetika pragmata, ta opoia @

BLAXOS: Oi ependyseis dhmioyrgoyn qeseis ergasias, oxi oi allages sto wrario.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa ta ejetasoyme, loipon, ena pros ena. Den qa sas milhsw giati hdh se ayth thn aiqoysa exw milhsei gia qeseis ergasias, gia nea programmata ergasias gia anerges gynaikes, anerges mhteres, ews kai neoys epixeirhmaties, neoys epaggelmaties poy qeloyn na mpoyn se mikromesaies epixeirhseis. Ayta ta gnwrizete. Ta exoyme janapei kai exoyn anakoinwqei kai apo ta armodia ypoyrgeia.

Se o,ti afora stis ependyseis, sas qymizw oti dyo fores synedriase h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai exoyn hdh proxwrhsei ependyseis oi opoies kwlysiergoysan gia grafeiokratikoys logoys h alloys logoys epi seira etwn. Ependyseis poy anaferontai se poly ychla oikonomika pososta se sxesh me to AEP. Ependyseis ekatontadwn ekatommyriwn eyrw. Molis thn perasmenh ebdomada mia poly megalh etaireia anakoinwse oti dhmioyrgei edra gia olh th Balkanikh kai th Mesh Anatolh sthn Ellada. Mia epixeirhsh pollwn ekatontadwn ekatommyriwn eyrw -anakoinwqhke kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, kaqws kai apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs- me prwth edra poy exei ayth h idia epixeirhsh sto Orlanto. Einai mia epixeirhsh gia tis pistwtikes kartes kai ton elegxo toys.

Qa mporoysa, epishs, na sas dwsw mia seira allwn epixeirhsewn me aformh ton anaptyjiako nomo. Milame gia ekatontades epixeirhseis poy jekinoyn, ekmetalleyomenes ta kinhtra poy exei o anaptyjiakos nomos. Tis prwtes hmeres leitoyrgias toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy eixa kanei hdh edw sygkekrimenes anafores gia to poses etaireies, poses nees epixeirhseis mphkan se aytes tis pronoies toy anaptyjiakoy nomoy. Ara, loipon, h anafora sas peri mh dhmioyrgias newn qesewn ergasias giati den exoyme ependyseis, den einai akribhs.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, epeidh egw zw sth xwra ayth, eseis zeite sthn idia xwra mazi moy; Dioti moy paroysiazete enan ependytiko paradeiso. Prin apo ena lepto moy legate oti qa prepei na allajei to wrario ergasias@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kapoio stoixeio, wste na antikroysete ayto to opoio sas eipa;

BLAXOS: Nai, toys xiliades anergoys poy einai sto dromo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekana mia seira apo sygkekrimenes anafores. Eipate sthn erwthsh sas oti den exei ginei kamia ependysh. Sas apanthsa, loipon, anaferontas sygkekrimenes ependyseis. Kai mporw na sas ferw kai ton katalogo twn ependysewn poy exoyn ginei se ariqmo h kai se etaireies.

BLAXOS: Ara, giati exete agwnia gia ejeyresh qesewn ergasias, afoy yparxei ependytikos paradeisos sthn Ellada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati mia kybernhsh poy sebetai toys polites ths -kai ayth h kybernhsh toys sebetai- qa prospaqei mexri thn wra poy qa meiwsei thn anergia na dhmioyrgei nees qeseis ergasias. Ayto einai mia aenaos prospaqeia. Kai xwres stis opoies anaferqhka prohgoymenws exoyn meiwsei thn anergia, den thn exoyn ejafanisei plhrws. Kai aytes oi xwres poy einai se kalyterh qesh apo oti h Ellada prospaqoyn.

POYLIDOY: Dyo shmeia: To prwto einai parola ayta o deikths anergias oti exei anebei thn persinh xronia. To deytero einai oti akoysa xqes ton k. Ashmakopoylo ths GESEBE, o opoios, anaferomenos sto qema toy monteloy twn jenwn xwrwn poy epikalesthkate kai eseis, eipe oti jenes xwres -kai anefere sygkekrimena metajy allwn thn Agglia kai th Dania- dinoyn mia morfh epixorhghshs stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis, otan akribws ``anoijan'' to wrario leitoyrgias twn katasthmatwn. Ara, den jerw an to paradeigma poy epikaleiste einai eystoxo kai an exete kai eseis mia sygkekrimenh gnwsh apo thn jenh empeiria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela, ean to qelete kai eseis, na parakalesw ton k. Sioyfa na erqei edw, ayrio h meqayrio, wste na kanoyme mia poly analytikh syzhthsh gia to qema toy wrarioy twn katasthmatwn. Pisteyw oti mia tetoia syzhthsh qa sas diafwtisei.

KAKALHS: Afoy h kybernhsh pisteyei oti exei thn empistosynh toy kosmoy stis diarqrwtikes allages, dhladh ayta ta antilaika nomosxedia poy katargoyn ergasiaka dikaiwmata sthn pragmatikothta, giati ta fernei ton Ioylio, mesa sto katakalokairo, me synoptikes diadikasies kai me thn taktikh toy ``apofasizomen kai diatassomen'' sthn pragmatikothta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H xwra den einai kleisth logw diakopwn. H kybernhsh leitoyrgei 12 mhnes to xrono. H syzhthsh jekinhse se polla apo ta qemata poy anaferqhkate -kai anaferqhkame nwritera- apo to perasmeno fqinopwro. Exoyn perasei polloi mhnes, exoyn ginei ejantlhtikes anafores, ta qemata erxontai to ena meta to allo. H paragwgh kybernhtikoy ergoy den periorizetai se eji mhnes to xrono kai toys ypoloipoys eji exoyme paysh ergasias.

SIDERHS: Thn perasmenh ebdomada htan edw texnokrates toy OOSA, twra einai toy DNT na sas bohqhsoyn na syllabete th forodiafygh. Ti toys xreiazeste aytoys; Jerete na bohqhsan kamia xwra; Giati ekeino poy jeroyme einai oti mono laikes ejegerseis trofodothsan se merikes xwres poy phgan na bohqhsoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantote xreiazetai na kerdizei kaneis apo th dieqnh empeiria. Na blepei ti mporei, apo ayta poy h dieqnhs empeiria exei apodeijei, na xrhsimopoihsei kai sth xwra toy. Emeis, loipon, parathroyme th dieqnh empeiria, den qewroyme oti h Ellada einai xwra apomonwmenh. Prospaqoyme, se mia seira apo polloys tomeis, na exoyme kai synergasies kai idees kai na ekmetalleytoyme apotelesmata poy hdh exoyn shmeiwqei, wste na pragmatopoihqoyn kai sthn Ellada.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ginetai to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Megaro Majimoy apodekths problhmatismoy, paraponwn boyleytwn ths eparxias, eidika gia to qema dieyrynshs toy wrarioy leitoyrgias twn katasthmatwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw ypoch moy kati sygkekrimeno. Oi antallages apocewn sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai synolika metajy twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias einai diarkeis gia mia seira qematwn.

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite poy epanerxomai, alla yparxoyn boyleytes poy se kat` idian syzhthseis -symmeteixa se treis, tesseris apo aytes- lene oti oi emporikoi syllogoi ths eparxias einai sta proqyra toy jeshkwmoy mprosta se ayth thn katastash. Syndeoyn malista kai tis ayrianes kinhtopoihseis me tis diamartyries poy ginontai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis, skeceis, apoceis. Exoyme syzhthsei epi makron gia to wrario twn katasthmatwn. Thn perasmenh ebdomada pragmatopoihqhke sthn Aqhna kai mia kinhtopoihsh, opoy symmeteixe poly mikros ariqmos emporwn kai ergazomenwn. H kybernhsh, omws, opws gnwrizete, exei ejantlhsei to qema. Exei proxwrhsei sth nomoqetikh ryqmish.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti pairnete idees apo toys dieqneis organismoys. Qa sas ypenqymisw oti o OOSA sthn teleytaia toy ekqesh proteinei th meiwsh twn katwtatwn misqwn, thn ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias syntajiodothshs kai thn apeleyqerwsh twn apolysewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yioqetoyme oles tis idees.

KAKALHS: Ayto prepei na to apodeijete, giati den apodokimasate mexri twra aytes tis protaseis toy OOSA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite na apodokimasoyme ton OOSA; Ean einai etsi, tote den prepei na kanoyme allh doyleia apo to na parakoloyqoyme oles tis anakoinwseis olwn twn dieqnwn organismwn gia na arxisoyme na apodokimazoyme.

KAKALHS: Otan symparoysiazei thn ekqesh toy o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn einai san na epidokimazei tis protaseis toy. O k. Alogoskoyfhs htan parwn sthn paroysiash ths ekqeshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai akribws etsi. Gia prwth fora eklhqh o OOSA, dia twn ekproswpwn toy, na kanei mia enhmerwsh stoys dhmosiografoys gia thn ekqesh poy eixe dwsei sth dhmosiothta. Den briskw kati kako se ayto.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh sas na anafereste sth sygkentrwsh poy egine, twn emporwn kai twn ergazomenwn, me safestato eirwniko tropo, legontas oti ``ligoi @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Aporriptw thn ekfrash ``eirwnikos tropos''. Den th dexomai. Parakalw poly na mhn thn epanalabete.

BLAXOS: Eipate oti htan ligoi@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan polloi kai eipa cemata; Parakalw na egkalesete ean lew cemata h alhqeia.

BLAXOS: Mia xara to eipate@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw.

BLAXOS: To gegonos oti to syndikalistiko kinhma exei apokardiwsei toys ergazomenoys, den shmainei oti h kybernhsh qa prepei na antidra kai na symperiferetai me alazoneia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw na rwthsete ton k. Sioyfa, efoson erqei sthn ayrianh politikh enhmerwsh mas, gia stoixeia ths dhmoskophshs poy exei sth diaqesh toy gia to qema toy wrarioy twn katasthmatwn.

BLAXOS: Gia allo lew. Den anaferomai sto an symfwnw h diafwnw me to wrario. Epishmainw oti to gegonos oti pane ligoi pia stis sygkentrwseis -kai ayto einai eyqynh twn syndikalistikwn hgesiwn poy tosa xronia exoyn apokardiwsei toys ergazomenoys- den shmainei oti h kybernhsh mporei na epikaleitai, eseis dhladh , to gegonos oti phgan ligoi gia na proxwreite me alazoneia se apofaseis kai se kinhseis poy oysiastika mporei na kanoyn kai kako.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa isxye ayto poy lete, ean den eixame proxwrhsei sthn apofash. Apo th stigmh poy eixame proxwrhsei, den isxyei. Kai den yparxei, se kamia periptwsh, alazoneia sth diadikasia thn opoia sas anefera prohgoymenws. H kybernhsh exei milhsei ejantlhtika gia to qema toy wrarioy leitoyrgias twn katasthmatwn. Exei topoqethqei dhmosia. Exei ginei h ryqmish sth Boylh. Yparxoyn perioxes -kai qa exei thn eykairia na sas ta pei kai o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs- stis opoies apagoreyotan na anoigei katasthma to Sabbato. Ean kapoios neos epixeirhmatias poy hqele na jekinhsei th zwh toy, na zhsei thn oikogeneia toy, na exei mellon, ekane thn atyxh skech na anoijei to katasthma toy, tote briskotan ston eisaggelea kai sto dikasthrio. To briskete swsto ayto; Ayto poy ekane h kybernhsh me to wrario twn katasthmatwn einai oti apopoinikopoihse thn ergasia. Dioti, h ergasia eixe poinikopoihqei se orismenes perioxes me symfwnh gnwmh kapoiwn -kai qa sas pei o k. Sioyfas ti akribws ginotan- kai apagoreyotan na anoigoyn katasthmata. H kybernhsh eipe oti ta katasthmata qa einai anoikta epipleon gia mia wra. Ean kapoios den qelei, mporei na mhn exei anoikto to katasthma toy. Den mporei, omws, na apagoreysei se opoiondhpote neo h ligotero neo epixeirhmatia na proxwrhsei th zwh toy, anoigontas ena katasthma gia na zhsei o idios kai h oikogeneia toy kai na dhmioyrghsei qeseis ergasias. Ayto poy synebaine htan paralogo. Pisteyw oti mporei kaqenas na to katanohsei.

KAKALHS: Einai toso paralogo poy oloi einai apenanti sthn kybernhtikh ayth ryqmish gia to wrario;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai oloi apenanti sthn kybernhtikh ryqmish. Eseis nomizete oti einai oloi apenanti.

KAKALHS: Symfwna me dhlwseis twn forewn. Oloi oi foreis einai apenanti, ektos apo ta emporika polyeqnika katasthmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H pleiochfia toy kosmoy einai yper ths ryqmishs.

SIDERHS: Kat` arxas, eixe ginei mia koinwnikh symfwnia, thn opoia bebaia diagrafete me monokondylia. Qa staqw se kati allo: Eipate oti oi dhmoskophseis deixnoyn. Oyte qa pw oti kybernate me dhmoskophseis, giati qa peite oxi. Alla, oi dhmoskophseis den einai o pleon asfalhs odhgos. An rwthsete kapoion sto dromo, qeleis na eisai eleyqeros na cwniseis stis 2 to prwi, qa soy pei ``nai''. Ean ton rwthseis, qeleis h gynaika soy na doyleyei ews tis 2 to prwi, qa apanthsei ``oxi''. Den einai o asfalesteros tropos oi dhmoskophseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diakrinw mia fyletikh anafora sthn erwthsh sas. Qa mporoysate na rwthsete th gynaika ean qelei o andras ths na doyleyei ews tis 2 to prwi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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