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Aqhna, 23 Ioynioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia syzhthqhkan to qema toy wrarioy twn katasthmatwn, kaqws kai seira metrwn poy lambanontai apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai aforoyn sthn anaptyjh toy emporioy kai sthn enisxysh en genei twn emporikwn drasewn sth xwra mas. O Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Sioyfas exei hdh probei se mia synoptikh dhlwsh kai ayth thn wra brisketai se ejelijh h synenteyjh Typoy, thn opoia paraxwrei stoys armodioys syntaktes. Apo thn pleyra moy, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti kaqierwnetai eqniko plaisio leitoyrgias twn emporikwn katasthmatwn gia olh th xwra poy qa exei ws ejhs: Ta emporika katasthmata, apo Deytera ews kai Paraskeyh, qa kleinoyn stis 9 to brady. To Sabbato qa kleinoyn stis 8 to brady. Den tiqetai qema leitoyrgias twn emporikwn katasthmatwn tis Kyriakes.

H ryqmish ayth poy anakoinwnetai shmera, einai mia ryqmish poy parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis se olo ton eyrwpaiko xwro. Stis perissoteres eyrwpaikes xwres, an oxi se oles, ta katasthmata leitoyrgoyn poly perissoteres wres ap` o,ti sthn Ellada. Einai mia ryqmish poy qa bohqhsei kai sth dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias kai sthn ayjhsh twn eisodhmatwn twn ergazomenwn. Bebaiws dinei th dynatothta stoys katanalwtes na exoyn perissoteres eykairies gia agores kai sto emporio megalyterh agorastikh kinhsh.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio stis 20:00, qa parastei sta egkainia toy mnhmeioy twn ektelesqentwn patriwtwn, kata th diarkeia ths germanikhs katoxhs, sto skopeythrio ths Kaisarianhs, opoy kai qa apeyqynei xairetismo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw to logariasmo toy OTE. Mporeite na mesolabhsete ston k. Boyrloymh na moy sbhsei ta xrhmata poy xrwstaw giati den exw ki egw xrhmata opws oi boyleytes toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Opws gnwrizete, o k. Boyrloymhs einai poly dyskolos kai den mporw na mesolabhsw gia na sbhsei to logariasmo sas.

BLAXOS: Pantws eseis to blepete qetika to gegonos oti o Proedros enos Organismoy eishgmenoy sto Xrhmatisthrio anakoinwnei oti esbhse ta xreh boyleytwn. Yparxei isonomia kai isothta s` ayth th xwra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H Proedros ths Boylhs k. Anna Mpenakh exei kanei hdh apo xqes mia dhlwsh. Se ayth kai qa meinw. Yparxei seira xrewn ta opoia parelabe ayth h kybernhsh. Einai xreh poy ryqmizontai analogws kai kata periptwsh ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Kai metajy pollwn organismwn yparxoyn xreh. Aytes oi ryqmiseis anakoinwnontai kata periodoys. Omws qa meinw sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekane xqes h Proedros ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti sth ryqmish gia to wrario oloi sxedon oi endiaferomenoi toy xwroy, emporoi, ergazomenoi klp. epaggelmatobiotexnes, einai antiqetoi kai mono mia mikrh meiochfia apo tis megales polyeqnikes einai yper ayths ths ryqmishs. H kybernhsh agnoei dhladh toys polloys gia allh mia fora kai nomoqetei gia toys ligoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, einai laqos h plhroforhsh poy exete. Oi megales etaireies, oi megales epixeirhseis, opws gnwrizete, hdh leitoyrgoyn poly perissoteres wres ap` oti alles. Tiqetai mia seira metrwn -ta opoia sas kalw na diabasete, meta tis leptomereis anakoinwseis poy qa kanei o k. Sioyfas- etsi wste megales epixeirhseis -antistoixes me aytes stis opoies anafereste-na mporoyn na anoijoyn pleon polla xiliometra ejw apo mia megalh polh. Oi ryqmiseis aytes bohqoyn sigoyra to mikromesaio emporio, tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis poy allwste apoteloyn kai thn pleiochfia toy emporioy sthn Ellada.

KAKALHS: Dhladh oi mikromesaioi den jeroyn to symferon toys kai to gnwrizei kalytera h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anefera toys logoys gia toys opoioys odhgoymaste se ayth th ryqmish. Yparxei mia seira meletwn kai ereynwn, oi opoies apodeiknyoyn oti ta pragmata qa einai poly kalytera kai gia tis qeseis ergasias poy qeloyme oloi na dhmioyrghqoyn kai gia thn anaptyjh toy emporioy kai gia thn kinhsh sthn agora.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas enhmerwnw oti shmera to prwi o Dioikhths toy IKA k. Barqolomaios dhlwse sto ALTER oti h diafora poy yparxei sto qema twn trapezwn se sxesh me metafora ths asfalishs, qa kalyfqei apo ton kratiko proypologismo. Qelw na rwthsw kata poso isxyei ayto kai an yparxei dynatothta na mas aposafhnisete me poly apla logia pws qa kalyfqei ayth h diafora.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei mia dhlwsh o k. Barqolomaios, giati kapoia pragmata poy eipe xqes sth Boylh @eida kai dhmosieymata shmera, ta eidame oloi mas- exoyn parermhneytei. Qa meinw sth dhlwsh toy k. Barqolomaioy. Se oti afora ta ypoloipa stoixeia, mporw na sas dwsw merika mono apo ayta poy exw sth diaqesh moy, jekinwntas apo tis xqesines dhlwseis toy armodioy tomearxh @syntonisth sto PASOK. Qa hqela na pw oti einai farisaismos na anhsyxoyn dhqen sto PASOK gia to mellon kai thn tyxh toy IKA oloi aytoi poy ta prohgoymena xronia den frontisan na einai synepeis, oyte kan stis nomoqethmenes apo toys idioys ryqmiseis gia to IKA.

Sygkekrimena:

Prwton, pote den katebalan sto akeraio thn problepomenh apo ton diko toys nomo 3029/2002 xrhmatodothsh toy 1% pros to IKA.

Deyteron, frontisan na ryqmisoyn thn problepomenh apo to nomo 2084 eisfora sta plaisia ths trimeroys xrhmatodothshs, me dekaeth orizonta kai epitokio 2% ypologizontas omws, ayqaireta, thn ofeilh ayth se 1,5 trisekatommyria draxmes, enw einai bebaio oti htan toylaxiston yperdiplasia.

Triton, stis 8 Martioy 2004 oi lhjiproqesmes ofeiles toy dhmosioy sta asfalistika tameia htan 9,2 disekatommyria eyrw apo ta opoia ta misa peripoy analogoysan sto IKA. Ola ayta ta xronia to PASOK ekane pws den katalabaine oti yphrxe to problhma kai agoraze ``berese'' kata to koinws legomeno. Se kamia periptwsh den yparxei logos anhsyxias gia to mellon toy IKA. Kai to lew ayto, giati akoysa pali apo thn pleyra toy PASOK fwnes anhsyxias. Allwste, opws prokyptei kai apo thn topoqethsh toy Dioikhth toy IKA sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs, h oikonomikh katastash toy IKA exei beltiwqei idiaitera toys teleytaioys 15 mhnes. Se oti afora ta zhthmata twn tameiwn, exw akomh orismenes leptomereies. Qa protimhsw na meinw se mia genikh anafora qymizontas oti h syntajh sto IKA oysiastika einai mia syntajh eggyhmenh apo to Syntagma. Den yparxei, loipon, kanenas fobos kai kanenas logos na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis. Endexomenws yparxoyn logoi na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis gia kommatikes antiparaqeseis h qewroymena kommatika ofelh. Epi ths oysias omws, den yparxei logos anhsyxias.

SARANTAKOS: Mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Apo pote qa jekinhsei na isxyei to neo wrario leitoyrgias gia ta emporika katasthmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Sioyfas qa anakoinwsei tis hmeromhnies kai oles tis leptomereies. Prwta prepei na chfistei o nomos kai pisteyw oti ayto qa ginei mesa ston Ioylio.

SARANTAKOS: Dhladh einai ameso, ayto rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

SARANTAKOS: To deytero erwthma moy exei na kanei me to ejhs: Leei h kybernhsh olo ayto to diasthma oti to asfalistiko twn trapezwn kai h ypoqesh toy OTE einai mia megalh metarryqmish kai fainetai oti einai mia prwth megalh metarryqmish thn opoia kanei h kybernhsh opws lene oi Ypoyrgoi sas. Xqes o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias o k. Miltiadhs Ebert eipe oti den qa chfisei th sxetikh tropologia ean den ylopoihqoyn ayta ta opoia o idios exei proteinei. Hqela na rwthsw, prwton: An dhmioyrgei ena politiko zhthma me dedomeno oti ena koryfaio kai istoriko stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias dhlwnei oti den qa to chfisei kai to deytero einai, an perimenete pws na peistoyn oi polites otan fainetai oti o k. Ebert den exei peistei gia thn orqothta ths epiloghs ths kybernhshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei kai allh fora, sebomai apolytws tis dhlwseis toy prwhn Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias. Den tis sxoliazw, omws. Qa moy epitrecete na symplhrwsw, diorqwnontas ayto poy eipate, oti den einai h prwth megalh metarryqmish. Exoyme mia seira megalwn metarryqmisewn:

Prwth diarqrwtikh allagh htan h ypoqesh toy OTE.

Deyterh diarqrwtikh allagh einai to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn poy ekkremoyse epi seira etwn.

Trith diarqrwtikh allagh einai to wrario twn katasthmatwn thn opoia anakoinwsame shmera.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epimeinw s` ayto to qema. Den sas zhthsame na sxoliasete tis dhlwseis kai tis apoceis toy k. Ebert. Jeroyme thn pagia qesh sas. Exoyme ena gegonos, oti enas boyleyths poy tyxainei na einai o k. Ebert den qa chfisei mia ryqmish ths kybernhshs. Ayto pws to antimetwpizei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Alimono, o boyleyths einai eleyqeros, opws gnwrizete, kai apo to Syntagma kai apo ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs na apofasizei aytos ti qa kanei.

SIDERHS: Kalos o ``filippikos'' sas kata toy PASOK, alla den apanthsate poios qa plhrwsei, oi trapezes h to kratos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ``filippikos'' mporei na einai mia wraia istorikh anafora thn opoia kanete, wstoso qelw na sas pw oti apanthsa me sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia den mporei na amfisbhthqoyn. Sto erwthma sas, poly pio sygkekrimena, qa apanthsw oti me tis ryqmiseis poy ekane h shmerinh kybernhsh den xreiazetai na plhrwsei to kratos oyte ena eyrw.

SIDERHS: Poios qa plhrwsei k. Ekproswpe; Den mas lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa. Me tis ryqmiseis poy ekane h kybernhsh, to kratos den qa katabalei oyte ena eyrw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na rwthsw gia to wrario. Poios to exei zhthsei; Efoson den to exoyn zhthsei oi ergazomenoi, den to exoyn zhthsei oi mikromesaioi, den to exoyn zhthsei oi katasthmatarxes, poios exei zhthsei allagh wrarioy kai asxolhqhke h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei apofash ths kybernhshs -kai apo to programma ths exei anakoinwqei ayto- na proxwrhsei se diarqrwtikes allages. Einai mia megalh diarqrwtikh allagh poy qa bohqhsei se ola ayta poy sas eipa prohgoymenws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to zhthse dhladh kanenas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata synepeia qa proxwrhsoyme se ayth th desmeysh thn opoian eixame analabei enwpion twn ellhnwn politwn.

XIWTHS: Sth megalh syzhthsh poy exei ginei mexri twra gia to asfalistiko twn trapezwn, gnwrizame oti proxwrate exontas apenanti mono th diafwnia ths antipoliteyshs. Tis teleytaies dyo hmeres omws, prokyptei oti yparxoyn sobares epifylajeis apo dika sas stelexh. Kai anaferomai toso ston k. Ebert oso kai ston k. Barqolomaio. Anarwtiemai loipon, prwton: An ektos apo tis Bryjeles h kybernhsh eixe enhmerwsei kai ton Dioikhth toy IKA kai aplws o Dioikhths toy IKA arxikws symfwnhse kai twra diafwnei, kai deyteron, an h kybernhsh einai pleon apofasismenh na proxwrhsei agnowntas kai tis antidraseis poy exei apo stelexh ths dikhs ths paratajhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete se baqos tis xqesines kai shmerines dhlwseis toy k. Barqolomaioy. Ean diabasete tis dhlwseis toy qa diapistwsete oti exete kata to hmisy parei apanthsh. Kata ta loipa isxyei ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h eikona poy exete eseis einai oti o k. Barqolomaios apodexetai plhrws th diatajh poy prowqei h kybernhsh sth Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws.

XIWTHS: Kai ola ta MME kai oi efhmerides exoyn esfalmenh apoch gia to ti dhlwse xqes o k. Barqolomaios;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei shmasia poia einai h apoch poy exoyn ta MME. Shmasia exei ayto poy eipa apo thn arxh: Exei ginei mia dhlwsh toy k. Barqolomaioy @kai xqes sth Boylh kai shmera- h opoia kalyptei to qema.

TSIODRAS: Qa epimeinw se sxesh @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Blaxo, sas eida, alla exete kanei hdh dyo erwthseis, as rwthsei kai kapoios allos poy den exei kanei erwthseis.

BLAXOS: Mpainei tarifa stis erwthseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, mporeite na kanete oses qelete.

BLAXOS: Yparxei tarifa stis erwthseis; Den mporoyme na kanoyme erwthseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kyrie Blaxo, exw dwsei to logo ston k. Tsiodra.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me ton k. Ebert, epi ths oysias aytwn poy eipe: Lete eseis oti den qa plhrwsei oyte mia draxmh o kratikos proypologismos. O k. Ebert leei oti einai adianohto na plhrwnoyn oi Ellhnes forologoymenoi, mesw toy kratikoy proypologismoy, gia tis idiwtikes Trapezes. Exei adiko, loipon, o k. Ebert; Den exei diabasei kati kala; Kanei kati laqos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws na mhn prosejate ti akribws eipa. Eipa oti apo tis ryqmiseis poy kanei h shmerinh kybernhsh, den qa plhrwsei oyte ena eyrw o Ellhnas poliths. Yparxoyn ryqmiseis poy exoyn ginei apo to n.3029, to nomo toy k. Reppa, nomo ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs toy PASOK kai einai gnwsto poia einai ta xrhmata me ta opoia epibarynetai o kratikos proypologismos. Einai kati me to opoio, pisteyw, pws eixate asxolhqei dhmosiografika polla xronia prin, otan efere aytes tis ryqmiseis o k. Reppas.

BLAXOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, gia ton k. Ebert oti einai eleyqeros na apofasizei ti qa kanei enas boyleyths. Sas ypenqymizw oti prin apo ligo kairo o k. Karamanlhs eixe parei thn apofash kai eixe diagracei boyleytes poy eixan diaforetikes qeseis sth Boylh, opws o k. Manos, o k. Soyflias, o k. Kontogiannopoylos. Ti allaje kai yparxei diaforopoihsh sth qesh toy k. Karamanlh kai afhnei toys boyleytes na einai eleyqeroi na kanoyn o,ti qeloyn. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Exoyme kalycei para polles synanthseis kai syskeceis toy k. Karamanlh gia to Asfalistiko twn Trapezwn. Se kamia apo aytes den eidame ton k. Barqolomaio. Ton agnoeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero erwthma sas, oi syskeceis toy Prwqypoyrgoy ginontai me toys ypoyrgoys kai toys yfypoyrgoys me toys opoioys krinei o Prwqypoyrgos oti synergazetai. Antistoixws oi ypoyrgoi kai oi yfypoyrgoi synergazontai me toys dioikhtes twn organismwn toys opoioys epopteyoyn k.o.k.. Se o,ti afora to prwto, exei perasei para poly kairos kai oyte kan qymamai to logo gia ton opoio eixan symbei ayta poy moy lete.

BLAXOS: Den hsastan sth Nea Dhmokratia tote, gi` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isws kai ayto einai mia ejhghsh.

GKOYTZANHS: H ryqmish toy k. Alogoskoyfh, an den apatwmai kai diorqwste me, sto prwto kai to deytero arqro epanalambanei sthn oysia kati poy yparxei sto nomo Reppa gia thn ypagwgh twn Tameiwn. Kati poy qa mporoyse na ginei kai me mia ypoyrgikh apofash, Proedriko Diatagma ektelestiko h efarmostiko toy nomoy Reppa. Giati, janaperna apo th Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Den exw mprosta moy th ryqmish. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn.

SIDERHS: Exw mia genikh aporia@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h teleytaia h exete kai alles;

SIDERHS: Exw kai alles meta. Ferate to basiko metoxo, katarghqhke. Entassete ta Tameia sto Ika, den kanete analogistikh meleth. Ti kanate tosa xronia sthn antipoliteysh, ektos apo to na kataggellete thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn prwth sas aporia @giati telika eixate dyo apories kai oxi mia, opws eipate- o nomos 3310 oysiastika exei parei mia paratash. Ginontai syzhthseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph epi twn ryqmisewn ekeinwn poy, endexomenws, mporei na egeiroyn antidraseis, epeidh yparxoyn kapoies diaforetikes proseggiseis apo Odhgies poy exei ekdwsei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Den shmainei oti katarghqhke o nomos. O nomos qa allajei, opoy xreiastei na allajei kai qa proxwrhsei kanonika@

SIDERHS: Anaferomai sto aproetoimasto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kamia anetoimothta se ayto. Kamia anetoimothta kai pantws sigoyra den yparxei anentimothta se o,ti afora to qema ths diaplokhs kai ths antimetwpishs ths. Se o,ti afora sto deytero qa hqela na sas parakalesw na diabasete to nomo 3029, o opoios anaferetai se oikonomikes meletes. H oikonomikh meleth poy ginetai einai akomh pio shmantikh apo thn analogistikh meleth. Yparxei mia terastia diafora metajy ths mias kai ths allhs meleths. Kai, bebaiws, diabazontas to nomo qa diapistwsete oti ola ginontai me bash to nomo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opws prokyptei apo ton anadromiko elegxo toy poqen esxes twn boyleytwn o k. Axilleas Karamanlhs dhlwse tis metoxes poy kateixe ennea xronia meta, dhladh apo to @89 poy arxise o elegxos. Apasxolei thn kybernhsh ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn apanthqei ola ta qemata toy poqen esxes apo ton armodio antiproedro ths Boylhs. Egine analytikh enhmerwsh stoys synadelfoys sas, koinoboyleytikoys syntaktes. Exoyn teqei kai ta erwthmata poy qetete kai exei doqei apanthsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epitrecte moy, k. Ypoyrge, yparxoyn erwthmata dioti o elegxos afora to @89 kai o k. Axilleas Karamanlhs dhlwnei tis metoxes ths Trapezas Ergasias poy katexei apo th dekaetia toy @70, opws leei, sth dhlwsh toy @98, to @99 dhladh. Tis poyla kai sth synexeia eisprattei ena poso to opoio den janadhlwnei. O k. Axilleas Karamanlhs den einai enas opoiosdhpote boyleyths. Opws, epishs kai to qema poy syzhtame den einai ena opoiodhpote qema. Gi` ayto sas rwtw: problhmatizei thn kybernhsh ayth h eikona poy exei dhmioyrghqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, qa prepei na diabasete analytikotera thn ereyna poy diejhge h Epitroph epi ena xrono. Den anaferetai mono sto @89 h to @99. H ereyna ths Epitrophs kalyptei mia periodo, sxedon, 10 etwn. Yparxei, loipon, apanthsh gi` ayto poy me rwtate apo ton armodio antiproedro. Kalyptetai mia poly megalh xronikh periodos apo thn ereyna ths Epitrophs. Den yparxei kanena problhma poy anadeiknyetai mesa apo ekei. Se o,ti afora sto sygkekrimeno proswpo poy anaferate, ton k. Axillea Karamanlh, einai safes oti dhlwnei ta perioysiaka stoixeia toy epi seiran etwn kai sto poqen esxes, ws boyleyths poy htan allwste ola ayta ta xronia. Kai bebaiws kai h ereyna ths Boylhs apedeije to eilikrines aytwn twn dhlwsewn.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Yparxoyn enstaseis @opws kai agwges- pollwn boyleytwn gi` ayto to porisma, opote h epiklhsh aytoy toy porismatos ws alanqastoy keimenoy den nomizw oti antapokrinetai sthn alhqeia. Gi` ayto akribws sas rwtw kai pali, ean thn kybernhsh thn apasxolei h eikona enos boyleyth kai malista toy qeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios den dhlwnei oti to 89, to 90, to 91, to 92, to 93, to 94, to 95, to 96, to 97 exei aytes tis metoxes kai tis dhlwnei aytes tis metoxes to 98;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti qa prepei na apeyqynqeite ston armodio antiproedro ths Boylhs gia na qesete opoio erwthma exete. Sas ypenqymizw, omws, giati profanws to jexnate, oti h ereyna ayth egine oxi mono apo mia Epitroph ths Boylhs, alla me th syndromh orkwtwn logistwn, oi opoioi kai paristanto sth synenteyjh Typoy.

POYLIDOY: Eseis exete qesei ayta ta erwthmata ston armodio antiproedro ths Boylhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exw rwthsei ton armodio antiproedro ths Boylhs gia to pws leitoyrghse h Epitroph epi ena xrono. Se ayth thn Epitroph symmeteixan boyleytes apo ola ta kommata. Yphrxan orkwtoi elegktes. Hlegjan epi ena oloklhro xrono pleon ths mias dekaetias to poqen esxes twn xrhmatisthriakwn synallagwn. Eginan analytikes anakoinwseis. Doqhkan eggrafa. An qymamai kala se kaqe dhmosiografo doqhke ena paketo me 600 selides, analytika to kaqe eggrafo. Mporei kaqenas na anadifhsei se ayta ta eggrafa kai gia thn opoia aporia na apeyqynqei sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs.

KAKALHS: Afoy o nomos Reppa einai dialytikos kai katastrofikos gia to IKA kai epitrepei stoys Trapezites na mhn plhrwnoyn tis asfalistikes eisfores toys, giati h kybernhsh synexizei na ton efarmozei kai den ton allazei se ayta ta shmeia gia ta opoia ton eixe kai kataggeilei paliotera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ayth exei thn tolmh na proxwra se tomes. Sto Asfalistiko den xwroyn palinwdies. Allwste, qelw na sas qymisw, oti h kybernhsh ayth oydepote eipe pws qa katarghsei ayton ton nomo. Oydepote. Kai sthn proeklogikh periodo den eipe kati tetoio.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milwntas xqes sth Boylh o k. Barqolomaios eipe oti o qesmoqethmenos poros poy exei balei o nomos Reppa, to 1% toy AEP, den arkei gia na kalyfqoyn ayta ta elleimmata kai zhthse apo thn kybernhsh na problecei ston Proypologismo toy 2006 baqmiaia anodo aytoy toy posoy. Qa ginei ayto; Qa ikanopoihsete ayto to aithma toy k. Barqolomaioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw an yparxei kapoio tetoio aithma sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Parakalw apeyqynqeite ekei.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo dyo hmeres ena periodiko poy ekdidei h Nea Dhmokratia xarakthrizei kalamokabalarhdes toys dioikhtes twn DEKO@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti ayth htan ekfrash toy k. Skandalidh. Htan h prwth fora poy akoysthke.

BLAXOS: Grafei o k. Skandalidhs sto ``Metejelijh'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, anaferotan se ypoyrgoys toy PASOK. Apo o,ti katalabainw, yparxei kapoio dhmosieyma gia Dioikhtes DEKO. Allo epipedo.

XIWTHS: Gi` ayto to dhmosieyma, tis teleytaies dyo hmeres, den yphrje kanena sxolio apo thn kybernhsh. Antiqetws, yparxoyn toylaxiston treis Dioikhtes DEKO poy me prwtoboylies toys, tis dyo teleytaies hmeres prokaloyn mia anataraxh sto kybernhtiko ergo. Anaferomai stoys Dioikhtes toy IKA, toy OTE kai ths DEH. Qelw, loipon, na gnwrizw ean h kybernhsh yioqetei tis apoceis poy ekfrazontai s` ayto to periodiko h an oi sygkekrimenoi Dioikhtes einai enarmonismenoi me thn kybernhtikh politikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora genikotera toys Dioikhtes twn Organismwn, aytoi ergazontai kaqhmerinws yper toy symferontos toy Organismoy, ton opoion exoyn analabei na dioikhsoyn. Kai bebaiws, krinontai oloi apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Den exei kamia aixmh ayto, oyte ypainissetai kati. Se o,ti afora sto prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, afoy epi dyo hmeres den egine kanena sxolio, den qa xalasw thn paradosh shmera, trith hmera.

SPYRAKH: O k . Barqolomaios xairei ths empistosynhs ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai.

SARANTAKOS: Akoygontas toso tis dhlwseis toy k. Ebert xqes, sto synolo sxedon twn MME, oso kai esas shmera, ap` o,ti antilambanomai, prepei na yparxei kapoioy eidoys parejhghsh, dioti alla leei o k. Ebert, alla eseis, h kybernhsh leei oti den qa epibarynqei o kratikos proypologismos, o k. Ebert leei kati allo. Mallon einai parejhghsh, loipon. Skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos na kalesei ton prwhn Proedro ths Neas Dhmokratias na toy ejhghsei akribws poio einai to plano ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kamia parejhghsh. Den exete katanohsei se baqos to qema.

SIDERHS: Twra, mesa sthn ``sosialmania'' sas, afoy xtypate ta klamp twn pronomioyxwn, akoysa ton Pano Panagiwtopoylo na leei se mia ekpomph oti qa htan yper toy na mpoyn kai oi boyleytes sto IKA. Pws to blepete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw, armodios ypoyrgos einai. Exei kalyterh gnwmh apo emena. Den to gnwrizw, den exw akoysei kati tetoio, oyte mporw na sxoliasw kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: To Asfalistiko einai anoikto h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Asfalistiko, gia to opoio exoyme kanei poly logo s` ayth thn aiqoysa, den einai anoixto. Einai ena qema to opoio syzhtoyn me dikh toys prwtoboylia oi koinwnikoi etairoi. H OKE exei analabei ayth thn prwtoboylia kai synexizetai aytos o dialogos.

KAKALHS: Sto klamp twn pronomioyxwn sto opoio anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos perilambanontai kai oi biomhxanoi, oi efoplistes kai oi trapezites kai poies qysies toys zhthse; Dioti den exw akoysei ton Prwqypoyrgo na zhtaei qysies apo aytes tis eygeneis tajeis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei seira pronomiwn, ta opoia einai se baros twn ypoloipwn politwn. Opws gnwrizete, h isonomia kai h isopoliteia poy problepontai apo to Syntagma mas, prepei na einai kanonas kai odhgos kaqe kybernhshs. Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme.

BLAXOS: Ayto to eipate ston k. Boyrloymh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto den xreiazetai na to pw. To Syntagma einai dhmosio keimeno. Ofeiloyn na to gnwrizoyn oloi oi Ellhnes.

BLAXOS: Oxi, epeidh lete gia isopoliteia. Ton phrate thlefwno ton k. Boyrloymh, meta apo ayta poy eipe xqes, oti ``jerete, kyrie Boyrloymh, prepei na diagracete kai toys logariasmoys allwn politwn'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws sto erwthma sas. Afoy to qetete kai pali, sas janalew oti eteqh to qema me epistolh toy k. Boyrloymh sthn Proedro ths Boylhs. H Proedros ths Boylhs exei probei se sxetikh dhlwsh. To sygkekrimeno qema afora synolika th Boylh twn Ellhnwn, den afora apokleistika thn kybernhsh h toys kybernhtikoys boyleytes. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

BLAXOS: Afora, omws, kai thn kybernhsh. Einai hqikhs tajews qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poio einai to ``hqikhs tajews'' qema;

BLAXOS: Oti o Dioikhths toy OTE, enos Organismoy poy einai eishgmenos sto Xrhmatisthrio, diagrafei ta xreh boyleytwn, enw, ean enas poliths den plhrwsei egkairws to logariasmo toy, o OTE toy to kobei. Ayto einai dikaio;

Ayto einai hqiko;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo poy prokyptei oti diagrafontai ta xreh;

BLAXOS: O k. Boyrloymhs to eipe.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O k. Boyrloymhs exei steilei mia epistolh sthn k. Mpenakh, sxetika me to pws qa dieyqethqei to xreos me th Boylh. H k. Mpenakh thn exei paradwsei sto armodio Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn kai diejagetai syzhthsh. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti yparxei oloklhrh syzhthsh kai apo alloys Organismoys, alles DEKO, gia xreh poy parelabe ayth h kybernhsh apo to parelqon. Den exei kleisei to qema.

BLAXOS: Ti shmainei omws ayto; Oti mporei na ta diagrafei o k. Boyrloymhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmainei oti den exei kleisei to qema.

BLAXOS: @Ara, dhladh, qa klhqoyn na dwsoyn ta xrhmata oi boyleytes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An yparxei kapoios poy na exei jeperasei ayto to opoio epitrepetai apo toys kanonismoys ths Boylhs, qa to xeiristei h Boylh opws prepei. Den mporw na sas pw egw, shmera, ti qa ginei. Einai se ejelijh to qema.

BLAXOS: Logika, qa prepei o k. Boyrloymhs, efoson kapoioi xrwstane to logariasmo toys, na dwsei entolh na kocoyn ta thlefwna, opws ginetai me toys aploys polites, sth logikh ths isonomias kai ths isopoliteias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti h epimonh s` ayto to qema, den wfelei se tipota perissotero apo to na syzhtame kati poy exei hdh apanthqei apo thn prwth kiolas erwthsh. Sas lew oti to qema ayto einai se ejelijh, den exei kleisei -kakws nomizete oti exei kleisei- kai parakalw apeyqynqeite sthn Proedro ths Boylhs gia opoiesdhpote alles dieykriniseis.

XIWTHS: Gia to wrario twn katasthmatwn poy syzhthqhke shmera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, qa hqela na rwthsw: Epeidh oi antidraseis poy yparxoyn apo toys emporikoys syllogoys sxedon olhs ths xwras einai shmantikes, qa hqela na jerw an to plaisio poy symfwnhsate shmera sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph qewreitai gia sas adiapragmateyto h an kata th diadikasia kyrwshs toy apo th Boylh qa syzhthsete kapoies @estw elafres- tropopoihseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ginei syzhthseis me toys emporikoys syllogoys olhs ths xwras, me ta Emporika kai Biotexnika Epimelhthria. Exei yparjei seira diaboyleysewn. Aytes einai oi protaseis kai oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

XIWTHS: Wstoso, apokleiete, den syzhtate pleon ena dialogo ths teleytaias stigmhs gia na amblynqoyn aytes oi antidraseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn ginei hdh polloi dialogoi kai epi seira mhnwn. Aytes einai oi telikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos epekrine ton Giwrgo Papandreoy oti ypokinei tis apergies kai epeidh stis apergies prwtagwnistoyn kai stelexh ths DAKE, mhpws h kybernhsh skeptetai na parei kapoia metra gi` ayto to fainomeno;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe sth Boylh ayto to opoio eixe pei o k. Papandreoy prin apo liges hmeres. An to diabasete apo ta Praktika ths Boylhs, qa diapistwsete oti o k. Papandreoy me safh tropo, oysiastika dhlwse oti to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, to PASOK, qa ypokinhsei apergies, opoy einai antiqeto me thn kybernhtikh politikh. Ayto sthliteyse o Prwqypoyrgos. @Ara, loipon, den isxyei to erwthma opws to qesate. Isxyei ayto poy sas lew twra. Kata ta loipa, o syndikalismos gia emas, se antiqesh me to PASOK -apo oti safws fainetai pleon- einai akhdemoneytos.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai poy einai to kako ena politiko komma @mporei na einai to PASOK, mporei na einai to KKE ayrio- na symfwnei me apergiakes kinhtopoihseis poy kanoyn kapoioi syndikalistes, ergazomenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poios eipe oti einai kako na symfwnei; Sas eipa egw kati tetoio;

GKOYTZANHS: Ayto katalaba ap` olh th syzhthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabate kala, tote. Ayto poy eipa egw, epanalambanontas ta osa eipe o k. Papandreoy sth Boylh, einai oti o k. Papandreoy dhlwse pws qa ypokinhsei apergies to PASOK. Allo, loipon, na symfwnei kapoios me syndikalistika aithmata kai allo na ypokinei aytos apergies kai malista ena megalo koinoboyleytiko komma.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mhpws ypokinei kai toys syndikalistes ths DAKE o k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Perimenete apanthsh sto erwthma sas;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Giati oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa parete.

SIDERHS: Qa kinhsete kapoia ejetastikh epitroph kata toy ``akatonomastoy ypoyrgoy'' o opoios ylopoihse th symbash toy PASOK gia ta TORMI-1, ta opoia kathggeile kapote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An qelete na eiste safhs. Den katalabainw ti ennoeite me th frash ``akatonomastoy ypoyrgoy''.

SIDERHS: Mas apagoreyei h ESHEA na poyme to onoma toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tote mhn kanete erwthseis. Ean sas apagoreyei h ESHEA na anaferqeite sto proswpo enos ypoyrgoy, mhn kanete erwthseis.

Eyxaristw poly.

H kaqierwmenh politikh enhmerwsh qa epanalhfqei th Deytera, 27 Ioynioy.

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