Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-06-15

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Aqhna, 15 Ioynioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei ayrio, stis 11 to prwi, gia tis Bryjelles, opoy qa symmetasxei sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio.

Qa hqela na kanw mia dhlwsh, me aformh ta osa eipe shmera o k. Papandreoy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK: ``Opws katedeixqh kai apo thn trihmerh syzhthsh sth Boylh, apo th mia pleyra yparxei mia kybernhsh h opoia me aisqhma eyqynhs kanei prajh tis desmeyseis ths, proxwra me apofasistikothta stis allages poy exei anagkh o topos kai ajiwnoyn oi polites, paragei ergo. Kai apo thn allh yparxei mia antipoliteysh poy amhxanh parakoloyqei tis ejelijeis. Mia antipoliteysh poy, enw sta logia dexetai oti prepei na ginoyn allages, sthn prajh tis arneitai. Mia antipoliteysh poy oysiastika epilegei th synthrhsh toy xqes, gyrizontas thn plath sto ayrio''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mias kai h Genikh Grammateia Typoy exei kai ayth mystika kondylia, qa kerasete kanena pagwtini;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ypainisseste kati, gia na sobareytoyme;

SIDERHS: Qa erxomoyn kai sto sobaro ths ypoqeshs. Yparxei ena problhma kai einai anhsyxhtiko: Otan o idios o yfypoyrgos -kat` arxas einai apolyta pisteytos o k. Mixaloliakos, den anaferomai omws se ayto- den jerei mia apodeijh pws pareisefryse mesa se ayta ta ejoda, ayrio giati na mhn yparjei mia apodeijh enos dhmosiografoy poy ypotiqetai oti phre xrhmata apo ta mystika kondylia, enos stelexoys ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs h ths elassonos antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, ennoeite oti yparxei dhmosiografos poy qa parei apo ta mystika kondylia xrhmata;

SIDERHS: Blepw oti einai diatrhto to systhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai deyteron, yparxei dhmosiografos poy qa parei apo ta mystika kondylia xrhmata kai qa kocei kai apodeijh;

SIDERHS: Lew oti einai diatrhto to systhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino poy qelw na sas pw einai oti yparxei safhs kai katalytikh apanthsh apo ton k. Mixaloliako sta osa anypostata egrafhsan.

SIDERHS: Epeidh den egina katanohtos, ennooysa mia ceytikh apodeijh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai senario episthmonikhs fantasias ayto poy lete. Kai en pash periptwsei, me ayth thn kybernhsh den qa ginei.

BLAXOS: Sas akoysa na katatropwnete th shmerinh antipoliteysh. Qewreite oti eprepe na yparxei allh antipoliteysh, me allon arxhgo; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To rhma ``katatropwnw'' -oso timhtiko kai an akoygetai gia kapoion, otan apeyqynetai ston antipalo toy- einai dikh sas krish. Egw kanw mia krish gia thn antipoliteysh kai epimenw se aythn. Stis dhmokraties den epilegei h kybernhsh thn antipoliteysh ths. Ayto mporei na symbainei se alla kaqestwta. Krinoyme thn oysia twn oswn leei o k. Papandreoy.

BLAXOS: H erwthsh moy einai, ean qa epiqymoysate antipoliteysh me allon arxhgo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai qema toy PASOK, oxi diko mas.

XONDROS: Ta osa lete gia thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, isxyoyn kai gia ta kommata ths aristeras; Dioti kai ayta den symfwnoyn me tis metarryqmiseis poy prowqei h kybernhsh. Ara, loipon, exoyme apo thn kybernhsh na prospaqei na dwsei mia politikh gewgrafia, opoy h kybernhsh einai h proodos kai to ``mprosta'' kai oloi oi ypoloipoi, h antipoliteysh ekfrazei to xqes. Ayto den akoygetai toso poly dhmokratiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Tyxainei h aristera na mhn exei kybernhsei ton topo, toylaxiston meta to 1989 kai to Synaspismo. Ara, loipon, to komma to opoio kybernhse ton topo epi seiran etwn, eixe eyqynh gia polles allages. Den ekane metarryqmiseis. Qa akoysei, loipon, shmera -otan prospaqei na kanei kritikh- thn pragmatikothta, thn alhqeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na mas kanete mia dhlwsh gi` ayta poy eipe o k. Mparozo, na paei pisw to Eyrwsyntagma, na stamathsoyn oi epikyrwseis toy Eyrwsyntagmatos. Poy paei to Eyrwsyntagma, stis kalendes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh qesh einai gnwsth kai exei diatypwqei. Emeis pisteyoyme oti qa prepei na synexistei h diadikasia, lambanomenoy bebaiws ypoch oti eixame dyo arnhtika dhmochfismata. Na yparjei genikoteros problhmatismos kai na analyqoyn ta mhnymata poy esteilan oi laoi twn dyo xwrwn me thn arnhtikh chfo toys. Ta mhnymata ayta, omws, den qewroyme oti einai mhnymata gia anastolh ayths ths diadikasias, alla mhnymata gia problhmatismo. Pisteyoyme, loipon, sthn prospaqeia gia th synexish twn diadikasiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me ayta poy eipe, omws, o Proedros ths Komision allazoyn ta dedomena pleon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths Komision exei thn apoch toy. Einai sebasth.

BLAXOS: Mhpws exete metaniwsei, ennow h kybernhsh, gia to gegonos oti den prosefyge sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy me ena dhmochfisma gia to Eyrwsyntagma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h pollosth fora poy moy ypoballete ayth thn erwthsh.

BLAXOS: Me tis teleytaies ejelijeis, ennow.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

SOYGLERHS: Na gyrisw sto prohgoymeno erwthma gia th stash toy k. Papandreoy. Dieykolynei h dyskoleyei thn kybernhsh h qewrhtikh h h praktikh stash toy; Qelete sklhroterh antipoliteysh apo to Giwrgo Papandreoy se ayth th sygkekrimenh fash kai gia ta metra poy prokeitai na labei h kybernhsh mesa sto kalokairi gia tis allages poy skopeyei na kanei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh ejarta thn politikh ths apo tis desmeyseis poy exei labei enwpion twn Ellhnwn politwn. Oi desmeyseis aytes barynan se poly shmantiko baqmo sthn apofash twn Ellhnwn politwn na chfisoyn ayth thn kybernhsh. Ara, loipon, den ejartatai h dikh mas politikh apo to pws askei antipoliteysh to PASOK.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me mia dhlwsh poy eixe kanei o k. Meimarakhs proxqes, poy eixe afhsei na diafanei oti sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos, qa syzhthqei kai to endexomeno na mhn isxyei h monimothta sto steno dhmosio tomea, an ayto aphxei thn kybernhtikh qesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai akribws etsi h dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei me safh kai sygkekrimeno tropo se ayto. Den tiqetai qema arshs monimothtas sto steno dhmosio tomea. To komma to opoio exei qesei to erwthma ayto se eswkommatikes ekloges prosfatws, htan to PASOK.

PALAIOLOGOS: Einai prosfath h dhmoskophsh ths MRB , den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti yparxoyn polles arnhtikes kriseis, oxi mono gia sas, gia thn kybernhsh, alla kai gia thn antipoliteysh kai gia th GSEE, gia th stash ths GSEE se sxesh me tis metarryqmiseis kai tis allages. Qelw na pw oti sthn pleiochfia toys oi polites ekfrazontai epifylaktika gia tis allages poy prowqei h kybernhsh kai tis apokratikopoihseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw apo poy bgazete ayto to symperasma kai poia dhmoskophsh diabasate. An milame gia thn idia dhmoskophsh poy doqhke xqes sth dhmosiothta, to 74% peripoy twn erwthqentwn symfwnei oti xreiazontai allages, gia paradeigma, sto asfalistiko systhma. Den jerw poy anafereste eseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Genika, omws, allages, den milaei sygkekrimena. Apo o,ti toylaxiston elegan kai oi anqrwpoi poy anelyan ta apotelesmata ths dhmoskophshs, den gnwrizan se poies sygkekrimenes allages anaferotan h dhmoskophsh. Miloysan genika gia allages.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Osa diabasa einai poly sygkekrimena. Den gnwrizw poy anafereste, otan lete ``genika''.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws h kybernhsh, meta to xqesino alaloym me ta ``poqen esxes'', ta opoia htan mono ``esxes'' kai oxi ``poqen'', prokeitai na allajei ayto to entypo, toylaxiston na jerei o ellhnikos laos apo poy phran kapoioi kai posa phran apo to Xrhmatisthrio; Giati twra fainetai oti polloi ligoi phran. Oloi exasan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei analytikes dhlwseis o antiproedros ths Boylhs k. Tragakhs. To gnwrizete, giati htan ekei oloi oi dhmosiografoi toy koinoboyleytikoy reportaz. Htan parontes oi orkwtoi elegktes, oi opoioi elegjan oles aytes tis dhlwseis. Htan mia ogkwdestath doyleia poy krathse sxedon ena xrono. Exoyn doqei apanthseis sto qema. Den exw na symplhrwsw kati perissotero. An h Boylh krinei oti xreiazetai na diaforopoihqei h diadikasia, einai ena qema to opoio qa krinei h Boylh. Qa to eishghqei kai qa apofasistei.

IWANNOY: Eseis apo osa eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas apo ayton ton anadromiko elegxo, aisqaneste oti exete, toylaxiston, apanthsei h exete parei apanthsh sto erwthma, ean kapoia politika proswpa prwhn ypoyrgoi kai boyleytes epaizan ``aera'' h ws tzogadoroi sto Xrhmatisthrio thn epimaxh periodo; Qelw na pw ta apotelesmata sas edwsan apanthsh se ayto to erwthma; Giati, nomizw oti o kosmos ayto hqele na maqei apo ayton ton elegxo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O elegxos poy egine se baqos xronoy edwse sygkekrimena stoixeia. Analytikoi katalogoi dekadwn an oxi ekatontadwn selidwn doqhkan sth dhmosiothta. Den qa kanw krish egw gia to ti ekane kaqenas boyleyths. Einai sthn krish toy kaqenos na gracei h na pei ta sxolia toy.

BLAXOS: Eipate, prohgoymenws, oti h kybernhsh ejarta thn politikh ths apo tis proeklogikes desmeyseis ths. Proeklogikh desmeysh toy k. Karamanlh, thn opoia epanalambane synexws, htan oti to egklhma toy Xrhmatisthrioy den qa meinei atimwrhto. Ti qa ginei me ayth thn istoria;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paramenei ayth h rhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh, h opoia einai proeklogikh desmeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Exoyme syzhthsei kai alles fores edw oti yparxei se ejelijh diadikasia sth Dikaiosynh. H analytikh anafora poy eixa kanei prin apo liges meres, otan rwthqhka, isxyei kai shmera.

XONDROS: Qa epimeinw sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh poy sas ekana me mia mikrh diorqwsh oti h Aristera den exei kybernhsei, exei sygkybernhsei kapoio diasthma. An h kybernhsh qewrei oti otan kapoios diafwnei me tis diarqrwtikes allages einai antidrastikos, kinhtopoieitai enantion ths, einai kaqodhgoymenos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prospaqeite na ekmaieysete kati. Ws dhmosiografos, apo thn pleyra sas endexomenws orqws kanete.

XONDROS: Ena erwthma qetw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete, omws, na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy. Me rwtate kati diaforetiko. Me rwtate, giati kanw krish sta osa eipe o Arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs.

XONDROS: Oxi, den rwthsa ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws sas eipa, kanw krish dioti to PASOK einai to komma poy kybernhse epi seiran etwn. To PASOK einai to komma poy ofeile na exei probei se metarryqmistikes prwtoboylies stis opoies kai den proebh.

XONDROS: To erwthma moy htan an pisteyei h kybernhsh oti opoios antidra h exei mia diaforetikh apoch gia tis diarqrwtikes allages einai antidrash kai opoios kinhtopoieitai enantion ths einai kaqodhgoymenos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den diepetai apo logikes monoliqikothtas.

SIDERHS: Tzogarontai polloi me thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy kai kapoioi anqrwpoi spilwqhkan kai toys eidame kai ektos Boylhs. Giati einai poinika h hqika pio kolasimo ta 40 ekatommyria toy Manika kai oxi to ena dis toy eyrwboyleyth toy k. Aberwf h kai allwn stelexwn poy eixan poly perissotera kerdh apo ton prohgoymeno, kai den eimai yperaspisths toy prohgoymenoy. Apla to anaferw ws enas anqrwpos poy spilwqhke, enw kapoioi alloi eixan poly perissotera kerdh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw na kanw treis parathrhseis:

Prwth parathrhsh, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den to parakoloyqhsate oloi. Polloi ek twn dhmosiografwn egracan gia thn ypoqesh. Ara, den htan aploi qeates.

Deyterh parathrhsh, se o,ti afora sto qema toy k. Aberwf h allwn boyleytwn, opws eipate, yparxei analytikh anafora stoys pinakes poy doqhkan sth dhmosiothta gia boyleytes h eyrwboyleytes poy paradosiaka diaqetoyn perioysiaka stoixeia kai oi opoioi ta ajiopoihsan.

Trith parathrhsh, den dexomai to ``tzogarate oloi''. Ti paei na pei; An kapoios tzogare, htan h kybernhsh toy PASOK. H kybernhsh toy PASOK, h opoia dia toy k. Papantwnioy, toy k. Shmith se dhlwsh toy kapoia stigmh kai pollwn allwn ychlobaqmwn stelexwn, mas elege oti einai eykairia na ependysete sto Xrhmatisthrio. Edine oysiastika grammh gia to ti eprepe na kanoyn oi polites sto Xrhmatisthrio me ta gnwsta apotelesmata. Ara, loipon, to rhma ``tzogarw'' aporriptetai se o,ti afora sth Nea Dhmokratia poy epeshmaine kai tote ta problhmata. Kai epistrefetai, oxi se sas, alla sthn tote kybernhsh.

SIDERHS: Bebaia, eixe paei kai o twrinos Prwqypoyrgos sto Xrhmatisthrio kai eixe pei oti otan erqoyme emeis qa fysaei. Kai eseis eixate ependysei sthn anodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Eixe ginei politikh dhlwsh yper ths anodoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn ayta poy sas eipa prohgoymenws. Ayth th stigmh den mporw na qymhqw epakribws th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Wstoso, qa thn anazhthsw gia na dw ti eixe akribws pei. Se kaqe periptwsh, omws, qa qymaste oloi sas oti polles fores o Kwstas Karamanlhs kai h Nea Dhmokratia, ws Antipoliteysh, epeshmane ayth thn anorqologikh anodo toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Ekane idiaiterws drimeia kritikh sto PASOK, se sygkekrimena politika proswpa. Ftasame se shmeio na kataqesoyme kai protash momfhs enantion enos sygkekrimenoy proswpoy. Ara, loipon, den eimaste to idio.

SOYGLERHS: Gia thn kybernhsh apotelei skandalo, gia toys boyleytes prwhn h nyn ta stoixeia apo to poqen esxes poy kateqesan sth Boylh to 2004;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yphrxe enas nomos poy epetrepe tote se politika stelexh na ependyoyn sto Xrhmatisthrio. Meta thn ypoqesh ayth to 1999 -ayto to megalo ``mpam'' h ``mpoym'', opws qelete peite to- yparxei enas allos nomos poy den epitrepei se politika stelexh poy katexoyn sygkekrimenes qeseis na ependyoyn sto Xrhmatisthrio.

BLAXOS: H meiwsh ths calidas me to PASOK problhmatizei ton k. Karamanlh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den blepoyme kapoia meiwsh.

BLAXOS: H diafora einai 4,1%. Den einai meiwsh ayto apo to 6%, 7% poy eixate prin;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti den sxoliazw dhmoskophseis. Ekana ejairesh mia fora. Qelete na me balete na kanw kai mia deyterh ejairesh;

BLAXOS: Ma hdh kanate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa thn kanw, loipon, th deyterh ejairesh. Pro eikosahmeroy rwthqhka treis fores synexeia sthn aiqoysa enhmerwshs gia mia dhmoskophsh poy edine diafora 1,4%.

Akoloyqhse pro ebdomados dhmoskophsh poy edine diafora 5,5% yper ths Neas Dhmokratias. Oyte mia erwthsh.

Shmera exoyme diafora 4,1% yper ths Neas Dhmokratias. Erwthsh gia meiwsh calidas.

Sas lew, loipon, oti h kybernhsh exei labei kapoia metra poy einai metra gia th diorqwsh laqwn toy parelqontos. Metra ta opoia metarryqmizoyn, allazoyn to topio. Ayta ta metra einai apodekta apo toys polites.

Einai, loipon, h kybernhsh poly ikanopoihmenh.

BLAXOS: Ti ennoeite otan mas kanete parathrhsh oti den kaname erwthsh giati h diafora htan 5,1; Giati, ayto ws parathrhsh einai stoys dhmosiografoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai epishmansh. Kai epitrepetai na kanw ki egw epishmanseis, oxi mono eseis.

BLAXOS: Mporei ekeinh thn hmera kapoios dhmosiografos na mhn ekane erwthsh. O tropos, omws, poy to qetete einai san na mas lete oti perimenoyme na exei kapoia kakh eidhsh gia thn kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na kanoyme erwthseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa isxye ayto poy lete an qewroysame oti einai kakh eidhsh gia thn kybernhsh to oti prohgeitai meta apo 16 mhnes sth diakybernhsh ths xwras me 4,1% apo to PASOK. An ayto einai kakh eidhsh, as to krinoyn osoi mas akoyn ayth thn wra.

BLAXOS: Alla kai oi erwthseis mas den einai ypo kathgoria panta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epishmansh einai.

BLAXOS: Oyte einai dynaton enas Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na exei to dikanno kai na mas perimenei sth gwnia an qa kanoyme h oxi erwthsh. Giati ayto kanete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qelete na peite; Peite to eyqews. Den dikaioymai na kanw epishmanseis;

BLAXOS: Eseis to lete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den dikaioytai o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na kanei epishmanseis;

BLAXOS: Eseis mas kanate parathrhsh giati den kaname erwthsh otan yphrxe h diafora toy 5,1%.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanate;

BLAXOS: Mporei ekeinh thn hmera na mhn hmoyna. An den ekana, kakws den ekana.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paraleich.

BLAXOS: Alla ayto den shmainei tipote. Den shmainei oti meta apo toso kairo qa mas perimenete sth gwnia gia na mas peite oti den kaname erwthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, na diabasete to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno ths politikhs enhmerwshs gia na katanohsete ayto poy sas eipa apo thn arxh.

BLAXOS: Aixmh htan ayto. Paradexqeite to. Blaxoi eimaste, oxi blakes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kanei antifatikes dhlwseis kai se ayto to qema se ayth thn aiqoysa, opote as to afhsoyme. Eipa, loipon, apo thn arxh kai to epanalambanw oti shmera kanw ejairesh kai anaferqhka se treis dhmoskophseis.

XONDROS: Prin rwthsw epi ths dhmoskophshs, mia parenqesh: Ypoqetw oti oi synadelfoi mas poy kalyptoyn to reportaz toy PASOK endexomenws na kanoyn mia erwthsh sto antistoixo press room ``giati den trabaei o Papandreoy'', as poyme. Einai o rolos mas na kanoyme kai kapws enoxlhtikes erwthseis, etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mporoysa na dianohqw meta apo 20 xronia sth dhmosiografia oti oi dhmosiografoi qa prepei na kanoyn erwthseis arestes ston opoiodhpote kybernhtiko ekproswpo. To exw pei polles fores se ayth thn aiqoysa kai to gnwrizete poly kala kai sthn kaqhmerinh epafh poy exoyme. Wstoso, den qa mporesoyme na apokleisoyme ston opoio kybernhtiko ekproswpo to dikaiwma na kanei epishmanseis.

XONDROS: Swsto. Epi ths dhmoskophshs, mia epishmansh: Eidame oti sto qema ths ygeias yparxei mia ptwsh toy posostoy twn politwn poy thn ajiologoyn ws ena apo ta shmantikotera problhmata, profanws epeidh exoyn dei na ginetai kapoio ergo ekei. Antiqetws, anebainoyn para poly ta pososta poy aforoyn toys tomeis ths anergias kai ths akribeias. Ayto to ektimate ws ena mhnyma twn politwn oti ekei endexomenws na exei kaqysterhsei h kybernhtikh drash gia thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn aytwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Yparxoyn xwroi stoys opoioys ta pragmata mporei na ginoyn me pio argo kai pio epipono tropo. Gnwrizete poly kala oti sthn agora exoyn ginei para polles prospaqeies me xiliades elegxoys poy diejagontai sxedon se olo to 24wro. Exoyn hdh doqei sth dhmosiothta polla apo ta apotelesmata twn elegxwn aytwn. Dhladh exoyn apokalyfqei. Kai eixa thn eykairia prin apo liges hmeres na anaferqw se orismena sygkekrimena paradeigmata. Einai omws mia epiponh diadikasia, den einai eykolh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai sto qema toy Xrhmatisthrioy. Epeidh hsastan aporriptikos se sxesh me thn ekfrash toy synadelfoy oti ``tzogaran'' kapoioi, poy eipwqhke gia boyleytes kai epikrinate to PASOK oti ekeino htan to opoio ``tzogare'' thn periodo ekei.

SIDERHS: Mia dieykrinish, epeidh anaferqhke o synadelfos sthn erwthsh moy: Anaferomoyn oti politika ``tzogarise'' h Nea Dhmokratia, ws komma. Oxi ta proswpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: @egw den to katalaba.

PALAIOLOGOS: Egw, omws, lew to ejhs: Apo th stigmh poy proetrepe h kybernhsh toy PASOK, tote, ston kosmo na ``tzogarei'' kai ``tzogare'' kai ayth parallhla, den eida pantws na einai aporriptikh kai oi synadelfoi boyleytes apo thn pleyra ths Neas Dhmokratias. Qelw na pw oti kai ekeinoi akoloyqhsan thn protroph toy PASOK kai ``tzogaran'' sto XAA. Den gnwrizw kata poso eseis blepete oti htan aporriptikoi apenanti se ayth thn protroph toy PASOK, akomh kai ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai isopedwtikh h logikh me thn opoia proseggizete to qema. Se kaqe periptwsh, einai allo na ependyw sto Xrhmatisthrio -opws einai kai o orqos oros- kai allo na ``tzogarw'' sto XAA. ``Politika tzogarete'', loipon, htan to erwthma poy eteqh apo to synadelfo sas kai politika to rhma ``tzogarete'' apanthqhke.

BAGIANOS: Me aformh th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Arsenh, xqes eixame ena sxolio gia ``neokaramanlikh aristera'' sthn Ellada. Na rwthsw, ean yparxoyn h yponooyntai kai alles sxetikes epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy me stelexh toy PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati tetoio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh akoysthke, me ton k. Peponh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kai me ton k. Flwridh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfibalw oti mporei na akoysthke kati. Sas apantw oti den yparxei tetoio qema.

SOYGLERHS: Qewroyntai filikes aytes oi synanthseis h @

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi exqrikes synhqws ginontai se pedio maxwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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