Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-06-09

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Aqhna, 9 Ioynioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrhse prin apo ligh wra gia to Loyjemboyrgo, opoy qa synanthqei me ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy k. Gioynker, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn qemata poy aforoyn sthn proetoimasia toy eperxomenoy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, stis 16 kai 17 Ioynioy.

Ayrio stis 18.00, arxizei h syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs epi ths protasews toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia paroxh chfoy empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Problhmatizei ton k. Karamanlh to endexomeno allaghs hgesias sto PASOK;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto einai ena qema poy afora apokleistika to PASOK.

BLAXOS: Esas sas problhmatizei; Giati qa sas ephreasei ki esas. Einai profanes ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte kan to exoyme skefqei.

BLAXOS: Pantws, blepw oti xamogelate. Yparxei kapoios logos poy xamogelate kai eiste xaroymenos shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh edwsa prwta se esas to logo kai oxi ston k. Siderh, poy synhqws exei ta prwteia.

BLAXOS: Gi ayto xamogelate; Den egine kati poy na sas xaropoiei to teleytaio diasthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean ennoeite ti einai ayto poy exei xaropoihsei thn kybernhsh to teleytaio diasthma, qa sas pw oti afora -kai to qewroyme para poly shmantiko- sto gegonos oti h pleiochfia toy kosmoy tassetai yper twn diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Diarqrwtikes allages, stis opoies h kybernhsh dinei prwteyoysa shmasia kai poy exoyn hdh jekinhsei. Tis epomenes hmeres qa akoloyqhsoyn kai aytes poy exoyme programmatisei.

SIDERHS: H atzamosynh Papandreoy sas prosporise mia taktikh nikh. Einai ikanh na kalycei ton ``ewlo'', kata Regkoyza, proypologismo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn politikh shmasia exei na leitoyrgeis strathgika. H Nea Dhmokratia, ws kybernhsh, exei anaptyjei th strathgikh ths. Gnwrizete, loipon, kai ta epomena bhmata se epipedo taktikwn kinhsewn kai oxi taktikistikwn, kata thn antidiastolh. Emeis kinoymaste strathgika. Kai strathgika qa epityxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei.

SOYGLERHS: Meta thn chfo empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh, thn Kyriakh to brady, dieykolynetai o Prwqypoyrgos, to epomeno diasthma me to asfalistiko twn trapezoypallhlwn kai DEKO, monimothta k.lp. na ta ferei sthn epikairothta kai na ta prowqhsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To programma qa akoloyqhqei ws exei. Den allazei tipota gia emas. Synexizoyme kanonika.

SOYGLERHS: Ean katalabainw kala mesa sto kalokairi qa doyme oti oles aytes oi prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs qa ginoyn prajh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oles oses exoyme anaferei ws diarqrwtikes allages ton teleytaio kairo. Kai qa synexisoyme kanonika. Den allazei tipota gia emas.

SOYGLERHS: Anasxhmatismos qa ginei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Sas exw pei oti prwteyonta rolo gia thn kybernhsh diadramatizoyn oi diarqrwtikes allages.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti h empistosynh poy qa parei apo toys boyleytes ths N.D. sth Boylh, apoteloyn to ``prasino fws'' kai nomimopoihsh gia thn ylopoihsh diarqrwtikwn allagwn, opws h arsh ths monimothtas ston dhmosio tomea, to elastiko oktawro kai oi fqhnes yperwries, gia tis opoies den exei thn egkrish apo ton ellhniko lao, afoy den htan sto proeklogiko programma ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Arxizontas apo to teleytaio, sas lew oti edw kai poly kairo ginontai syzhthseis gia ta qemata poy anaferate, metajy olwn twn synarmodiwn, twn koinwnikwn etairwn kai twn armodiwn Ypoyrgeiwn. Se o,ti afora to prwto kai th diatypwsh, aplws einai anadiatypwsh ths erwthshs toy k. Soyglerh. Exw apanthsei.

SPYRAKH: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh ean ta dhmosionomika gia thn periodo 2007-2013 kleisoyn sto 1,04% toy AEP twn xwrwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh kanei prospaqeia -kai malista se synergasia me polles alles xwres ths E.E., katopin prwtoboylias ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs- na epiteyxqei to megalytero dynato pososto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pws sxoliazete thn apofash twn Toyrkwn na epanaferoyn to casus belli sto Aigaio, efoson epekteinoyme ta xwrika mas ydata; Dierwtwmai, giati pairnoyn ayth th qesh, ayth th stigmh, poy h Ellada steketai plai toys, oson afora thn entajiakh toys poreia sthn Eyrwph.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Diabasa dhmosiografikes plhrofories, oi opoies malista kai en pollois einai antifatikes. Otan yparjei teliko keimeno, tote qa exoyme kai epishmh topoqethsh.

POYLIDOY: Sth Synodo Koryfhs h ellhnikh kybernhsh ti einai ayto poy prwtistws qa hqele na diasfalisei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

POYLIDOY: Symfwnia sto megalytero pososto. Sta kaq` hmas, yparxei kapoia proteraiothta se poroys h se kondylia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora sto pososto, einai to meizon qema kai makari na kleisei se ayth th Synodo Koryfhs. Olh h prospaqeia ginetai gia na kleisei twra me ton kalytero dynato tropo.

POYLIDOY: Se qemata ellhnikoy endiaferontos, pio sygkekrimena exete na mas peite kati; Se ti ycos kondyliwn qa hqele na kinhqei h symfwnia poy qa kleisei se o,ti afora tis eisprajeis ths Elladas h se poia morfh kondyliwn qa hqele na strecei to idiaitero endiaferon ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An milame gia to D` KPS, to epomeno bhma, to epomeno KPS oysiastika qa enisxysei tis perifereiakes politikes. Ayto einai kati poy apasxolei idiaitera th xwra mas. Apasxolei idiaitera ayth thn kybernhsh, h opoia exei sthrijei ena megalo kommati ths strathgikhs ths sthn enisxysh ths Perifereias. Qa moy epitrecete, omws, epeidh exoyme mprosta mas kai th shmerinh synanthsh, alla kyriws th Synodo, na mhn pw tipote perissotero shmera.

BLAXOS: Prosfata o k. Karamanlhs eixe episkefqei tis HPA kai synanthqhke kai me ton k. Mpoys, me ton opoio syzhthse diafora qemata. Twra o k. Mpoys synanthqhke me ton k. Erntogan. Kai fainetai oti ikanopoihse polla apo ta aithmata twn Toyrkwn se o,ti afora sto ``toyrkokypriako kratos''. Eixate parei kapoia yposxesh apo ton k. Mpoys oti qa sthrijei tis ellhnikes kai kypriakes qeseis sto qema twn Toyrkokypriwn h oxi h exei allajei politikh apo th mia hmera sthn allh o k. Mpoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ean prokyptei ikanopoihsh sthn opoia anafereste. Den qa sxoliasw, bebaiws, epishmh episkech Arxhgoy kratoys se allo kratos. Ekeino poy qelw na pw gia to Kypriako einai oti gnwrizete pws paramenei staqerh h qesh mas gia thn epilysh toy zhthmatos, sto plaisio pantote toy OHE, kai me idiaiterh prosoxh se o,ti afora sth diadikasia, wste na apofeyxqei mia akomh apotyxhmenh prospaqeia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H episkech paranomws boyleytwn ths Amerikhs sto ceydokratos, ayto pws to sxoliazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw janarwthqei kai exw apanthsei. Isxyei o,ti exw pei kai gia alloy eidoys episkeceis. H teleytaia fora poy rwthqhka aforoyse se epixeirhmaties.

MPOYATAR: Epanerxomai sto qema ths neonazistikhs synanthshs poy exei anaggelqei gia to Septembrio sto Meligala. Qa hqela na gnwrizw an h kybernhsh katadikazei thn pragmatopoihsh tetoiwn synanthsewn sthn Ellada kai an prokeitai na apagoreysei ayth th sygkekrimenh synanthsh, an telika epibebaiwnetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me aformh dikh sas erwthsh eixame kanei ereyna apo thn opoia den prokyptei oti yparxei epishmo aithma gia thn pragmatopoihsh tetoias synanthshs. Ws ek toytoy den mporw na sxoliasw kati poy den epibebaiwnetai apo poyqena.

MPOYATAR: Eqesa to erwthma epi ths arxhs, shmeiwnontas oti ontws exei anaggelqei aplws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epi ths arxhs: Se mia Dhmokratia isxyoyn nomoi kai kanones, oi opoioi prepei na throyntai.

KAKALHS: Epanerxomai sth synanthsh Mpoys-Erntogan: O Amerikanos Proedros, meta th synanthsh, ekane logo gia shmantikh strathgikh sxesh metajy twn HPA kai ths Toyrkias. Ypenqymizw, omws, oti sthn prosfath synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo eixe apla milhsei gia strathgikh sxesh. Ayto shmainei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh xanei edafos sto moirasma twn rolwn, sto plaisio twn amerikanikwn sxediwn sthn perioxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xqes, milhse gia strathgikh sxesh. Sth synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo eixe milhsei gia strathgiko etairo. Deite eseis an ayto exei toso megalh shmasia kai poio qewreitai shmantikotero.

BLAXOS: Sthn politikh paizei megalh shmasia h kaqe lejh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws. Deite, omws, eseis ti qewrei shmantikotero.

BLAXOS: Nai, to qema einai an einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh h oxi h an allazei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh einai apolytws ikanopoihmenh apo th synergasia strathgikoy epipedoy poy yparxei me tis HPA. Einai apolytws ikanopoihmenh apo tis mexri stigmhs syzhthseis poy exoyn ginei. Den blepw na yparxei kanena synnefo metajy twn dyo xwrwn Elladas kai HPA. Dioti ean oi xwres metajy toys exoyn poly kales sxeseis, ayto opws gnwrizete kata synepagwgh shmainei oti kai oi omores xwres qa exoyn poly kales sxeseis. Den ypainissomai kati gia na mh dhmioyrghqei parejhghsh. Ki emeis prospaqoyme me thn Toyrkia na exoyme mia poly kalh sxesh.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti den exei sxesh h chfos empistosynhs me ton anasxhmatismo. Exoyn amesh sxesh, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, giati arti chfisqeisa kybernhsh poy exei labei chfo empistosynhs den thn anasxhmatizeis. Einai sebasmos stoys qesmoys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa diabibasw thn apoch sas ston Prwqypoyrgo.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayto poy sas lew exei oysia ypo thn ennoia oti an zhtame apo thn kybernhsh, nomizete oti einai sebasmos sthn qesmikh eytajia, an ginei anasxhmatismos mesa se ena syndiasthma triwn, pente mhnwn, efoson ayth h kybernhsh exei labei chfo empistosynhs; Den xreiazetai na lete oti qa diabibasete thn apoch moy, giati den ekana kapoia ejypnada. Rwtw an einai sebasmos stoys qesmoys ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To Syntagma ti leei; Einai h den einai;

BLAXOS: O Karamanlhs ti leei; Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me exete rwthsei polles fores gia ton anasxhmatismo. Qa eixe endiaferon na cajete eseis oi idioi -giati egw to gnwrizw- poses fores exei grafei kai exei eipwqei oti qa ginei anasxhmatismos toys teleytaioys oktw, ennea mhnes. Apo o,ti blepete akomh den exei ginei tipote. Me exete rwthsei polles fores. Exw apanthsei. Sxedon kaqe mera apantw. Den exei kai nohma na kanoyme allh syzhthsh gia ton anasxhmatismo. Den prokeitai na kerdisete tipote eidhseografika, giati den yparxei kati poy sas krybw gia na to kerdisete.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me th syzhthsh sth Boylh: Pera apo th maxh twn entypwsewn sto oti mia protash apo ton k. Papandreoy gia protash momfhs enantion kapoioy sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgoy metatrepetai apo ton k. Karamanlh se chfo empistosynhs yper ths kybernhshs. Pera apo thn polwsh poy einai dedomenh oti qa yparjei to trihmero, ti allo qa bgei apo ayth th syzhthsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai mia poly shmantikh eykairia na akoystoyn toylaxiston dyo pragmata: Prwton, ta osa exoyn symbei sthn oikonomia kata thn periodo twn kybernhsewn PASOK, sympyknwmena kai analytika. Kai deyteron, na akoystei, gia mia akomh fora synolika pleon, to ergo ths kybernhshs toys teleytaioys 15 mhnes, kaqws kai o strathgikos sxediasmos ths gia ta epomena bhmata sto epomeno xroniko diasthma.

KAKALHS: Ypotiqetai oti oles aytes oi diarqrwtikes allages poy prowqei h kybernhsh ginontai gia na proselkysoyn ependyseis gia na antimetwpistei to problhma ths anergias. Ayto to gnwsto ``paramyqi'' poy ews twra den exoyme dei na epalhqeyetai. Proxqes, bghke melos ths kybernhshs kai kalese toys Ellhnes epixeirhmaties na ependysoyn sth Roymania. Ayta ta dyo pws symbibazontai; Mhpws thn ellhnikh kybernhsh thn endiaferoyn mono ta kerdh twn epixeirhsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H isxyrh oikonomia mias xwras, opws gnwrizete, exei na kanei me polloys paragontes. Mia ellhnikh epixeirhsh ean mporei na anaptyssetai kai entos kai ektos twn synorwn kai dh se geitonikes xwres, prosferei kai sthn eqnikh oikonomia peran ths opoias dikhs ths anaptyjhs. Dioti h anaptyjh mias epixeirhshs pantote bohqa kai sthn anaptyjh ths eqnikhs oikonomias.

BLAXOS: Einai profanes oti o k. Karamanlhs sth Boylh htan proetoimasmenos kai einai profanes oti ki eseis meteixate se ayth thn proetoimasia toy k. Karamanlh. Qa hqela, loipon, na moy ejhghsete, efoson o k. Karamanlhs qelei thn chfo empistosynhs ths kybernhshs toy, giati zhthse thn chfo empistosynhs apo toys boyleytes, poy einai etsi ki alliws perissoteroi apo toys alloys boyleytes kai den zhthse thn prosfygh stis kalpes gia na apofasisei o ellhnikos laos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dynaton na qetei kaneis shmera qema eklogwn;

BLAXOS: Ean to eqete xqes o k. Karamanlhs..

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi Ellhnes polites apofasisan me thn chfo toys prin apo enamish xrono. Yparxei pleiochfia sth Boylh, yparxei apofash na proxwrhsoyme, me thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy, se mia seira diarqrwtikwn allagwn. Blepete ki eseis -paroti jerete oti spania xrhsimopoiw tis dhmoskophseis- oti h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn anejarthtws kommatos, tassetai yper aytwn twn allagwn. H chfos empistosynhs poy zhthqhke, zhthqhke gia toys logoys poy ejhghse o Prwqypoyrgos xqes sth Boylh.

SARANTAKOS: Otan jekinhse ayth h poreia gia tis diarqrwtikes allages, opws tis xarakthrisate, o Prwqypoyrgos bghke pros ta ejw me mhnyma toys pros ton ellhniko lao, apo to Megaro Majimoy, kai milhse sygkekrimena gia synainesh. Meta apo tis xqesines ejelijeis sth Boylh kai enocei ths trihmerhs ayths syzhthshs, pws symbibazontai aytes oi dyo ennoies h ``synainesh'' kai to ``polwtiko klima'', poy yphrje kai xqes kai qa yparjei kai tis epomenes hmeres sth Boylh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den blepw giati den symbibazetai. To aithma gia synainesh einai aithma, to opoio se kamia periptwsh den menei se epipedo koryfhs, dhladh, se epipedo kommatikwn hgesiwn h koinoboyleytikhs drasthriothtas. To aithma gia synainesh einai baqytero. Otan milame gia synainesh, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes sth Boylh, kanoyme ejantlhtiko dialogo me toys koinwnikoys etairoys. Ston OTE eixame ena trano paradeigma ayths ths politikhs. Makari na proxwrhsoyme kai se alla zhthmata ejisoy shmantika -eite shmantikotera- opws ayto ths paideias, gia thn opoia exoyme anoijei dialogo edw kai polloys mhnes.

SARANTAKOS: Kai politikh synainesh den ennooyse; Dhladh den epiqymoyse o k. Karamanlhs, h kybernhsh thn anoxh h th synainesh kai twn politikwn dynamewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto poy sas perigrafw einai politikh synainesh. Se kaqe periptwsh, bebaiws, to kaqe komma otan einai sthn antipoliteysh qa kanei th dikh toy politikh kai otan einai sthn kybernhsh qa akoloyqhsei, epishs, th dikh toy politikh.

SIDERHS: Milhsate gia thn paideia. Ti synainesh kai ti dialogo kanate; Shkwqhkan kai efygan oloi. Giati gia thn alazoneia poy sas kathggeilan toys periorize se deyterh kai Trith moira. Den toys dinate kamia shmasia. Kataqetate nomosxedia xwris na rwthsete, xwris na perasoyn apo dialogo. Poios einai o dialogos gia thn paideia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exete parakoloyqhsei poly kala ta qemata ths paideias.

SIDERHS: Toylaxiston parakoloyqoysa tis kinhseis oswn apoxwroysan.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai poly eykolh h lysh toy ``kataggellw kai apoxwrw''. To aithma toy Ellhna polith einai na breqei epiteloys mia kybernhsh poy qa mporesei na sygkentrwsei kai ta ypoloipa kommata na syzhthsoyn prokeimenoy na katartisoyn ena eikosaetes programma gia thn paideia. Oxi na allazei apo kybernhsh se kybernhsh h akoma xeirotera apo Ypoyrgo se Ypoyrgo. Ayto, loipon, to aithma emeis to akoysame otan hmastan sthn antipoliteysh. To qesame ws shmantikh proypoqesh ths politikhs mas. Giati gnwrizete poly kala oti to programma mas gia thn paideia einai idiaiterws analytiko. Qa mporoysame na akoloyqhsoyme to programma mas xwris na syzhthsoyme me kanenan. Antiqetws kaname dialogo. Epi ths diadikasias h twn epimeroys kataggeliwn exei topoqethqei h Ypoyrgos Paideias polles fores.

POYLIDOY: Peri paideias. Qa hqela na rwthsw kata ti prowqei ton Ellhna polith poy teleiwnei to Gymnasio kai o opoios qa zhsei se ena antagwnistiko periballon h meiwsh ths didaskalias twn wrwn jenwn glwsswn kai h ayjhsh ths didaskalias twn arxaiwn ellhnikwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw gia meiwsh h ayjhsh, opws anaferete. Exw diabasei kapoia dhmosieymata. Qa moy epitrecete na sas exw sygkekrimenh apanthsh ayrio apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias.

Eyxaristw poly.

Ayrio 10 Ioynioy 2005 den qa pragmatopoihqei h kaqhmerinh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn, logw ths syzhthsews sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs epi ths protasews toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia paroxh chfoy empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh.

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