Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-06-01

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Aqhna, 1 Ioynioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete kai kalo mhna.

Shmera to apogeyma, stis 19:00, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Grammatea toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Baggelh Meimarakh.

Ayrio, stis 09:30, qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me thn Epitroph Empeirognwmonwn ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Gnwrizete oti einai mia Epitroph, h opoia meleta tropoys gia thn katapolemhsh ths grafeiokratias. Stis 12:00 qa exei synergasia me thn Anaplhrwtria Ypoyrgo Politismoy Fanh Pallh-Petralia kai ton Proedro twn Olympiakwn Akinhtwn k. Xrhsto Xatzhemmanoyhl.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Na sas diabasw: ``Me kanena tropo den mporei na symmetasxoyn ellhnikes omades sto STOIXHMA apo th stigmh poy yparxei ena safes asymbibasto''. Jerete poios to exei pei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai se poio qema anafereste. Qa sas ypenqymisw ti sas eipa xqes: Prwton, den exei lhfqei kamia apofash gi` ayto. Deyteron, meletatai h stadiakh eisagwgh twn agwnwn twn ellhnikwn prwtaqlhmatwn sto PAME STOIXHMA. Triton, meletatai h analhch apo ton OPAP ths dienergeias toy diagwnismoy PAME STOIXHMA. Ta dyo ``meletatai'' poy sas eipa einai arrhkta syndedemena metajy toys kai synartwntai apolytws to ena apo to allo.

BLAXOS: Meletate omws kai thn idiwtikopoihsh toy OPAP, ara kapoia stigmh to STOIXHMA poy qa mpei ston OPAP, qa breqei se xeria idiwtwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: An prosejete th dhlwsh moy, qa deite oti exei apanthsei hdh sto erwthma poy kanate.

BLAXOS: Oxi, den to katanow, epeidh eimai kai ligo xazos@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn to epanalambanete synexeia.

BLAXOS: Peite moy, ti akribws ennoeite; Einai shmantiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Meletatai h eisagwgh, stadiaka, kapoiwn omadwn twn ellhnikwn prwtaqlhmatwn. Parallhlws, meletatai -opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws- h analhch apo ton OPAP ths dienergeias toy diagwnismoy PAME STOIXHMA. Ayta ta dyo ``meletatai'' einai arrhkta syndedemena metajy toys kai synartwntai apolytws to ena apo to allo. Apanta safws sthn erwthsh sas.

SIDERHS: Qelete na peite oti me th nea podosfairikh xronia, apo to Septembrio, den qa yparxoyn ellhnikes omades sto STOIXHMA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Meletwntai kai ta dyo qemata poy sas eipa. Ara, loipon, efoson exei katalhjei o OPAP sth meleth twn dyo qemata taytoxronws, tote qa proxwrhsei se kapoies apofaseis. Ayth th stigmh omws briskomaste sto stadio ths meleths. Kai gia na sas lysw kai mia aporia -dioti eida thn aporia diatypwmenh polles fores xqes, apo ta thlefwnhmata kapoiwn ej ymwn kai pollwn synadelfwn sas- h anafora poy egine xqes apo ton k. Orfano diatypwqhke akribws me ton idio tropo opws sas th lew kai twra. Sth Genikh Syneleysh toy OPAP poy egine xqes, protaqhke h enarjh ths meleths aytwn twn dyo qematwn.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei kanena magiko rabdi h Nea Dhmokratia kai metamorfwnei aytoys poy xqes kathggeile ws ``ntabatzhdes'' kai ``eqnikoys promhqeytes'', se paragwgika stoixeia ths koinwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai poy anafereste.

SIDERHS: Anaferomai sto gegonos oti meletate, poy den qa eprepe na meletate symfwna me tis palies dikes sas qeseis, to na mpoyn ellhnikes omades, estw kai stadiaka, sto STOIXHMA.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh thn opoia anegnwse o k. Blaxos prohgoymenws synartato, opws eidate, me kapoia asymbibasta. An, loipon, diabasete tis qeseis ths Neas Dhmokratias sto parelqon kai katanohsete apolytws ayto poy sas eipa shmera, qa diapistwsete oti den yparxei kamia apolytws diafora.

SIDERHS: Ypekfeygei h kybernhsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Arkei na katanohsete apolytws ayto poy sas eipa shmera, dioti h ellhnikh glwssa einai ploysia se lejeis, alla poly sygkekrimenh se nohmata. To gegonos oti xrhsimopoiw th frash ``arrhkta syndedemena metajy toys, synartwntai apolytws to ena apo to allo'', nomizw oti einai kati parapanw apo safes.

XONDROS: Ayto poy lete oti einai arrhkta syndedemena metajy toys, einai safes. Kai shmainei oti den qa exei th symbash h Intralot (den akoygetai) o tropos dhladh na paei pio grhgora (den akoygetai);

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmainei oti qa ginei @an telikws ginei- an ektimhqei oti einai prosodoforo gia ton Organismo. Qa ginei efoson exei proxwrhsei kai h deyterh meleth kai exei lhfqei apofash epi toy deyteroy qematos poy einai dhladh na analabei th diagwnistikh diadikasia o idios o OPAP. Poso pio jekaqara na to pw;

XONDROS: Prin apo to 2007, opote teleiwnei h symbash me thn Intralot;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enas Organismos, opws kai mia kybernhsh, opws kai mia epixeirhsh, ofeiloyn na meletoyn diafora sxedia. Ayto einai kati to opoio kai eseis oi idioi sthn kaqhmerinothta sas to kanete, programmatizontas thn hmera sas, thn epomenh hmera sas, thn epomenh ebdomada, ta reportaz k.o.k. Gia na arxisei, loipon, ayth h meleth, xreiazotan h egkrish ths Genikhs Syneleysews. Edoqh h egkrish ths Genikhs Syneleysews. H meleth qa proxwrhsei kai sto xroniko ekeino shmeio poy qa einai etoimh, qa proxwrhsoyn kai oi antistoixes diadikasies.

SOYGLERHS: Exei dikio o k. Orfanos h eseis kai o Dieyqynwn Symboylos toy OPAP poy milate oti den exei apofasistei tipota; Giati shmera yparxoyn dyo apoceis, symfwna me ta dhmosieymata: Eseis lete oti meletatai, o k. Orfanos to qewrei teleiwmeno kai opwsdhpote exoyn katalhjei oti kapoia etaireia, mallon h Intralot, qa synexisei, alla ebale desmeysh oti qa exei apwleia kerdwn me thn eisagwgh omadwn sto STOIXHMA. Poy einai h alhqeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H alhqeia einai ayth poy sas eipa kai thn opoia eipe kai o k. Orfanos xqes. Profanws exei yparjei kapoia paranohsh, gi` ayto espeysa prohgoymenws na to pw, prin kan erwthqw. O k. Orfanos eishghqhke sth Genikh Syneleysh th meleth aytwn twn dyo qematwn. H Genikh Syneleysh apofanqhke qetika. Elhfqh, dhladh, apofash apo th Genikh Syneleysh oti egkrinetai h protash poy ekane o k. Orfanos. Poia einai h protash poy ekane o k. Orfanos; Na melethqoyn ayta ta dyo qemata. Den yparxei tipota diaforetiko kai aporw pragmatika, giati exei dhmioyrghqei ayth h sygxysh. Einai safes ayto poy eipe sthn eishghtikh toy omilia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exoyme kati neotero gyrw apo ton OTE, meta th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Boyrloymh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, den exw kati allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti syzhthsan; Giati ton kalese;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia na syzhthsoyn orismenes diadikastikes leptomereies, orismena pragmata poy aforoyn ton OTE, ayth th diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai. Den yparxei kati perissotero.

KAKALHS: Gia na genikeysoyme, mhpws den einai kaqoloy tyxaio to gegonos oti o Prwqypoyrgos emfanisthke sth Genikh Syneleysh toy SEB plaisiwmenos apo ta shmata twn etaireiwn toy eqnikoy promhqeyth kai toy eqnikoy ergolaboy; Dhladh, mhpws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parakalw para poly. Exete antilhfqei safws ti einai ayto to opoio eipa. Otan, loipon, moy lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos emfanisthke plaisiwmenos apo kapoia shmata etaireiwn, ayto ypainissetai kati to opoio einai ektos pragmatikothtas. O Prwqypoyrgos milhse sth G.S. toy SEB. Opws se kaqe syneleysh, alla kai se polles apo tis ekdhlwseis poy diorganwnontai, yparxoyn orismenoi xorhgoi. Giati kaqe syneleysh, kaqe tetoia drasthriothta exei kapoia ejoda kai epilegontai xorhgoi. Ti doyleia exoyn loipon oi xorhgoi poy epilegontai me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ayta poy eipe; Den katalabainw.

KAKALHS: Dhmioyrghse kapoioys syneirmoys ayth h eikona poy eidame@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parapolitikhs fysews endexomenws.

KAKALHS: Oxi, einai kai oysiastikhs fysews, giati den exoyme dei kamia diafora me thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Kai h shmerinh kybernhsh sthrizetai kai sthrizei ta idia symferonta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw poy anafereste kai ti lete. H shmerinh kybernhsh, se kamia periptwsh, den mporei na kathgorhqei oti sthrizei symferonta. H shmerinh kybernhsh leitoyrgei me bash qesmoys. Ayto to exoyme apodeijei me mia seira nomoqethmatwn, qesmikwn allagwn poy exoyn ginei.

KAKALHS: To apotelesma to praktiko einai oti o k. Mpompolas synexizei na pairnei ta erga kai o k. Kokkalhs epishs. To idio pragma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws exw pei polles fores s` ayth thn aiqoysa, opws exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos, ws Prwqypoyrgos kai ws Arxhgos ths Antipoliteysews: Den yparxei zhthma proswpwn enanti twn opoiwn tiqetai h qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Emeis den ftiaxnoyme qeseis analoga me ta proswpa poy briskontai sth dhmosia zwh, sthn epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta, sto dhmosio bio. Emeis ftiaxnoyme qesmoys, diorqwnoyme problhmata poy eixan proklhqei apo palaioteroys qesmoys, diorqwnoyme nomoys, allazoyme nomoys. Ayto, loipon, poy lete, aporriptetai diarrhdhn, prwtistws kai kyriws giati o nomos o opoios egine apo to Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE einai diafanhs. Enas nomos o opoios den exei kanenos eidoys cogo. Enas nomos basei toy opoioy pleon ginontai oi diagwnismoi me apolyth eykrineia. Katarghqhke o amartwlos maqhmatikos typos. Ginontai diagwnismoi me tropo poy einai diafanhs kai symferwn gia ton Ellhna polith.

TSIODRAS: Gia ton OPAP qelw na rwthsw. Yphrxe h qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den prokeitai na mpoyn oi ellhnikes omades sto STOIXHMA. Qa mporoysate na mas peite poia politikh logikh ypagoreyse na allajei ayth h qesh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei sto erwthma, legontas oti o k. Blaxos diabase th qesh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kata synepeia, peritteyei na epanalabw gia trith fora to idio pragma.

GKOYTZANHS: Efoson me thn katarghsh toy amartwloy maqhmatikoy typoy dinontai oi diagwnismoi ajiokratika, o basikos metoxos ti xreiazotan kai egine olos aytos o qorybos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O basikos metoxos einai syntagmatikh epitagh.

LEONTITSH: Mhpws exei allajei kapoia nootropia se sxesh me ton tropo poy kanoyme th doyleia mas emeis oi dhmosiografoi stis dhmosies yphresies kai ta ypoyrgeia; Ayto, me aformh to epeisodio poy shmeiwqhke shmera sto IKA Kalliqeas. O dieyqynths toy IKA proetrece ton security na deirei to dhmosiografo toy Alpha Radio, giati ekane reportaz ekeinh thn wra me toys diamartyromenoys polites kai afoy ton jylofortwse toy phre thn kaseta kai to kinhto thlefwno kai bebaiws den ton perieqalce kai to IKA. H erwthsh moy einai, ean exei allajei kati se sxesh me toys dhmosiografoys. Oson afora ton security, poios einai o rolos toys; Blepoyme oti plhqainoyn se oles tis dhmosies yphresies, akomh kai se ayto to ypoyrgeio. Einai syntagmatikos o rolos toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, ofeiloyme na problecoyme toys kanones asfaleias gia oloys. Einai syntagmatikh epitagh na prospaqeis na einai asfalhs o kaqe poliths. Einai ypoxrewsh ths Politeias.

LEONTITSH: Apo ti mas prostateyoyn oi security;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se ayto edw to ktirio;

LEONTITSH: Se oles tis dhmosies yphresies.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean proteinete na fygoyn oi andres h oi gynaikes asfaleias apo tis eisodoys twn ypoyrgeiwn, antilambaneste poy qa mporoyse na odhghsei ayth h epikindynh protash sas.

LEONTITSH: Den milw gia toys andres asfaleias toy diatetagmenoy kratoys, alla twn yphresiwn security.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H lejh ``security'' shmainei ``asfaleia''. Se o,ti afora sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, ean exei symbei ena peristatiko, sto opoio dhmosiografos eixe tetoioy eidoys antimetwpish, opws thn perigracate, to kataggellw kai to apokhryssw meta bdelygmias. Oloi ofeiloyn na sebontai sygkekrimenoys kanones. Na sebontai to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma kai oi dhmosiografoi na sebontai toys sygkekrimenoys kanones, basei twn opoiwn ginontai, sto plaisio ths deontologias poy exei orisei h idia h ESHEA, ta reportaz.

LEONTITSH: To xeirotero einai oti ola ayta eginan me protroph toy dieyqynth toy IKA Kalliqeas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy metaferete mia plhroforia. Ean exei symbei ayto poy moy lete, phra safh qesh. Apo ekei kai pera, fantazomai oti qa ginoyn oi analoges ereynes gia na exoyme sygkekrimena apotelesmata.

GALIATSATOS: Exw dyo erwthseis. Prwton, ean h kybernhsh skeftetai na parei metra enantion toy dieyqynth toy ypokatasthmatos toy IKA Kalliqeas. Kai deyteron, se synarthsh me ta dyo ``meletatai'' poy mas eipate prin gia ton OPAP, ayto shmainei oti apo to Septembrio den qa arxisei stadiaka h eisagwgh twn ellhnikwn omadwn sto STOIXHMA;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora sto deytero erwthma sas, exw apanthsei prohgoymenws. Eipa oti synartatai to ena apo to allo. Ean o xronos aytos einai ikanopoihtikos gia na kleisoyn kai ta dyo qemata mazi -se treis mhnes, se eji mhnes, se ena xrono- qa ginei. Oson afora sto prwto erwthma sas, yparxei dhmosia dioikhsh kai diadikasies oi opoies qa akoloyqhqoyn.

BLAXOS: Gia ton OPAP, pali. Otan o Prwqypoyrgos eipe, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, oti einai safes asymbibasto, ennoei oti enas idiwths, poy exei sxesh kai me to podosfairo, den mporei na exei to STOIXHMA me ellhnikes omades.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Poly xairomai poy to janadiabazete.

BLAXOS: Ayto, loipon, shmainei oti h kybernhsh prepei na desmeytei pws den qa poylhsei ton OPAP se idiwtes. Dioti, ayrio, an o OPAP parei to STOIXHMA me ellhnikes omades kai poylhqei o OPAP se idiwtes, mporei na ton agorasei o k. Kokkalhs, o k. Bardinogiannhs, o k. Blaxos h o k. Roysopoylos, poy na exei parei sxeseis me to podosfairo. Ayto ejasfalizetai kai pws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qetete ena kainoyrgio qema.

BLAXOS: Ayth einai h oysia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete apolyto dikio oti kai ayth einai h oysia. Einai ena kainoyrgio qema ayto poy qetete sth syzhthsh mas. Sto prwto erwthma, qelw na pw oti apodeiknyetai gia mia akomh fora ayto poy eixa pei prohgoymenws peri asymbibastwn, sto opoio eixe anaferqei o Prwqypoyrgos ws arxhgos ths antipoliteyshs. Kai ayto einai safes. Oson afora sto deytero erwthma, qewrw aytonohto oti, efoson proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia, den qa prepei na ginei me tropo poy na dhmioyrgei neo asymbibasto. Exete apolyto dikio.

BLAXOS: Exei shmera o k. Karamanlhs na kanei thleoptiko mhnyma sthn ERT;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw na yparxei kapoio mhnyma.

BLAXOS: Den qa eprepe na to jerete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai qa sas apanthsw. Mporei na prokeitai gia kapoio mhnyma, opws ayta poy ginontai syxna gia jenes thleoraseis, gia synedria sta opoia o Prwqypoyrgos stelnei binteoskophmena mhnymata tetoioy eidoys. Den apokleietai na einai kati tetoio. Mhnyma, omws, poy na afora sta eswterika qemata mas, gnwrizete oti panta kaleiste na eiste ekei.

POYLIDOY: Fantazomai oti den qa jerete thn apanthsh sto erwthma moy, gi` ayto sas thn anaferw aplws gia ayrio. Se thleoptikh ekpomph emfanisthke o k. Alogoskoyfhs, sto plaisio kapoias hmeridas, na dinei entolh sto xeiristh enos projector na bgalei ena slide, legontas ``bgale ayton ton araph kai bale kapoion anqrwpo'' h kati tetoio, en pash periptwsei. Qa hqela na diereynhsete ean ayto htan etsi, an htan apotelesma montaz kai ti ejhghsh exete na mas dwsete gi` ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa epikoinwnhsw me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias. Qewrw oti kapoioy eidoys parejhghsh exei ginei. Isws den exei akoystei swsta ayto to opoio exei pei.

SIDERHS: Epeidh den exw akomh katalabei, wspoy o OPAP na parei to paixnidi, ews sto metajy mpoyn ellhnikes omades ypo to kaqestws@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opoy synartwntai ta dyo metajy toys. Giati einai toso aplo to pragma.

SIDERHS: Ma, pws synartwntai; Ean apo ton Septembrio mpoyn omades, pws synartwntai; Sto mellon mporei na synartwntai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete ftiajei mia idea kai panw se aythn qelete na prosarmosete to reportaz. Den isxyei ayto, ti na kanoyme!

XONDROS: Ejakoloyqw na mhn katalabainw kai qa kanw thn erwthsh me diaforetiko tropo: H kybernhsh qa paei ``stoixhma'' ``me'' h ``xwris'' Kokkalh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei sygkekrimena sto erwthma treis fores. Qa sas parakalesw, ean ejakoloyqeite na mhn katalabainete, meinete ligo sth synexeia, diabaste to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno kai qa to katalabete. Opws eipa h ellhnikh glwssa einai ploysia, alla poly safhs kai sygkekrimenh se nohmata.

SIDERHS: Kai mas bohqaei na diafeygoyme.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqoloy den diefyga. Ti pio sygkekrimeno apo ayto poy sas eipa!

LEONTITSH: Hqela na sas rwthsw giati mas anakoinwsate th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy OTE k. Boyrloymh, afoy to prwi mphke apo thn pisw porta toy Majimoy kai bghke epishs apo thn idia porta, xwris na doqei dynatothta lhchs oyte enos thleoptikoy planoy, poso mallon th dynatothta katagrafhs dhlwsewn poy perimename gia kapoia enhmerwsh gia to ti syzhthqhke.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fantazeste na mhn thn eixa anakoinwsei kai na empaine kai na ebgaine apo thn plainh porta;

BLAXOS: H synadelfos exei dikio. Den einai prepon gia enan Dioikhth Organismoy na bgainei apo thn pisw porta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Endexomenws ton ejyphretoyse na katebei se ekeino to shmeio toy dromoy, na parei to asanser kai na anebei ston prwto orofo. Endexomenws ayto ton ejyphretoyse ton anqrwpo. Pros Qeoy!

BLAXOS: Epishs, ton ejyphretoyse na mhn antimetwpisei toys dhmosiografoys kai tis erwthseis toys.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti exei na fobhqei kati.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos zhthse xqes apo toys ellhnikhs katagwghs dhmosiografoys poy ergazontai se jena MME, na metadwsoyn to mhnyma oti sthn Ellada kaqe mera poy perna dhmioyrgoyntai oi proypoqeseis poy einai aparaithte gia na apodwsoyn oi jenes ependyseis. Qa mporoysate na mas peite, poies qewrei h kybernhsh ws tetoies proypoqeseis, poy ftiaxnei kaqe hmera; Dhladh, ennoei th meiwsh toy ergatikoy kostoys, thn elastikopoihsh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn h th litothta poy yparxei stoys misqoys; Aytes qewrei proypoqeseis; Aytes qewrei ws kinhtra gia na proselkystoyn jena kefalaia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn Ellada, opws gnwrizete, gia na idryqei mia etaireia xreiazontoysan mexri protinos mia seira dekades eggrafa, otan sth Nea Yorkh mia etaireia idryetai se 24 wres. Egine mia poly sobarh prospaqeia apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Thn exei anakoinwsei o k. Sioyfas -eixa thn eykairia na sas to pw ki egw edw- na meiwqei ayth h terastia grafeiokratia. Idoy, amesws-amesws ena poly shmantiko paradeigma allaghs poy bohqa na erqoyn jenes ependyseis sthn Ellada.

GKOYTZANHS: Ligo pio sygkekrimena ayto, ginetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite pio sygkekrimena; Na sas promhqeysw me ola ta stoixeia; Bebaiws ayto ginetai.

GKOYTZANHS: Allo lew.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na sas promhqeysw me ola ta stoixeia, poy exete hdh dei kai exoyn dhmosiopoihqei. Den jerw ean ta exete diabasei oloi.

GKOYTZANHS: Th sygkekrimenh apanthsh, omws, den thn exoyme akomh apo kanenan, paroti@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pws den exete sygkekrimenh apanthsh; Otan xreiazontoysan trianta-saranta xartia kai exoyn meiwqei se katw apo deka, pws den thn exete;

GKOYTZANHS: Posos xronos xreiazetai twra gia na idryqei mia etaireia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Analoga me thn epixeirhsh. Kai ean endiafereste, mporw na sas parapemcw sto sygkekrimeno Tmhma toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Prokyptei apo thn apanthsh sas. Eipate oti sth Nea Yorkh se mia hmera idryetai etaireia. Sthn Ellada se poses hmeres h antistoixh etaireia poy einai sth Nea Yorkh, gia na exoyme ena metro sygkrishs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn Ellada xreiazontoysan mhnes. Opws, epishs, sthn Ellada exoyn perasei xronia kai xronia me kapoies ependyseis, oi opoies prospaqoyn na ginoyn, na erqei dhladh synallagma sth xwra mas kai na anaptyxqoyn sygkekrimenoi topoi kyriws se toyristikes perioxes. Aytes oi ependyseis eixan ``kollhsei'' gia mia seira apo grafeiokratikoys logoys.

GKOYTZANHS: Poly swsta. Ean ta jerw den rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete akoysei, apo ta xeilh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toylaxiston gia dyo megales ependyseis -tis exw anaferei ki egw polles fores- oi opoies bohqhqhkan na jeskalwsoyn apo ta granazia ths grafeiokratias. Jerete ti einai na prospaqei kapoios deka-dekapente-eikosi xronia na kanei ependysh ths tajews toy 1,7 disekatommyriwn eyrw, to opoio antistoixei sto 1% toy AEP, kai na prospaqei epi xronia; Ayta allajan.

GKOYTZANHS: Poly swsta, alla den aforoyn emena ayta, gia na mhn dhmioyrghqei parejhghsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eseis rwthsate, eseis qa parete apanthsh.

KAKALHS: Mhpws xalarwnei h nomoqesia, oson afora thn prostasia toy periballontos twn arxaiologikwn xwrwn, twn aktwn kai twn daswn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh qa htan prosbolh sthn politistikh mas mnhmh, sthn anqrwpinh ontothta kai prosbolh sta paidia mas.

BLAXOS: Qa sas xrhsimopoihsw sas paradeigma gia ton aplo polith. Ean pate sto soyper market kai agorasete kati gia to spiti sas, qa plhrwsete tis sakoyles h qa arnhqeite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enoxlhqw, pantws.

BLAXOS: Qa tis plhrwsete h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eipa oti qa enoxlhqw.

BLAXOS: Ara, qa tis plhrwsete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean me rwtate ti qa ginei, qa sas apanthsw oti mporw na rwthsw kai to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Yparxei kapoia idea melwn toy Syndesmoy twn soyper market. Oyte kan protash apo ta soyper market. H idea ayth -opws katalabainete- den mporei na tyxei ths apodoxhs ths kybernhshs. Ekeino to opoio, epishs, katalabainoyn polloi poy mas parakoloyqoyn, einai oti ola ayta poy akoyme na ginontai kai na legontai me apokoryfwma thn aqliothta, poy eipwqhke pro kairoy -kai eneixe mesa ths ekbiastiko mhnyma pros toys polites kai thn kybernhsh- ginontai giati ayth h kybernhsh exei balei to maxairi sto kokalo. Ginontai giati ayth h kybernhsh prospaqei na ktyphsei thn akribeia sth riza ths. Prospaqei na doylecei o topos, ta soyper market, ta mini market, ola ekeina ta magazia poy ejyphretoyn ton polith, me kanones poy den leitoyrgoysan sto parelqon. Ean den toys eixame enoxlhsei den qa ekanan tetoioy eidoys ejwfrenikes protaseis.

GKOYTZANHS: Se poia aqliothta anafereste kyrie Ekproswpe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthste ton k. Blaxo poy me eixe rwthsei tis proalles.

GKOYTZANHS: Meta ton OTE, mesa sto kalokairi, qa yparjoyn kai alles dhmosies etaireies stis opoies qa efarmostoyn programmata eqeloysias ejodoy h ejygianshs h otidhpote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai h trith h tetarth fora poy erwtwmai. Qelete na epanalabw thn idia apanthsh; Kati kainoyrgio den qa exw na prosqesw pantws. Isxyei o,ti exw pei.

GKOYTZANHS: Den eipa ean qa einai to protypo h symfwnia toy OTE, eipa ean qa yparjoyn alles etaireies, stis opoies qa ginei kapoias morfhs ejygiansh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei den exei allajei tipota apo ayta poy sas exw pei mexri twra.

KYRITSHS: Xqes to brady to thleoptiko kanali MEGA, paroysiase mia dhmoskophsh, h opoia emfanizei sthn ypoqetikh periptwsh poy qa ginotan dhmochfisma gia to eyrwsyntagma, to ``oxi'' na yperisxyei toy ``nai'' kai anaferqhkan syndyastika kai eyrhmata apo alles dhmoskophseis, basei twn opoiwn fainetai oti to 73% twn politwn emfanizontai ligo h elaxista enhmerwmenoi gia to eyrwsyntagma kai oti to 70% qa epiqymoyse dhmochfisma. Qelw na rwthsw mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai oti ekane laqos, me thn epikyrwsh toy eyrwsyntagmatos, mesw ths Boylhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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